Now that GoO is down, whose the most likely "big dog" of anime RPGs?
Not me, I promise!
:D
-mice
Quote from: VellorianNow that GoO is down, whose the most likely "big dog" of anime RPGs?
If you listen to the gripers who will throw any insult at D&D that they think will stick, D&D. ;)
I've heard some Tri-Stat smack-talkers sing the praises of OVA (PDF (http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=4280&) Print (http://www.rpgshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=38390&) ).
PALLADIUMBOOKS!
HUZZAH!
You mean it isn't still Mekton II and TFOS? :)
If Palladiumbooks does republish the Robotech RPG, then it will easily be the closest to a "mainstream" anime RPG.
OVA and RandomAnime are much too tiny in comparison. Jovian Chronicles and Heavy Gear are just sort of floating in the ether. And Mekton has apparrently thankfully been forgotten by Mike Pondsmith (at least we don't have to worry about a CPv3 style revision).
It's also kind of sad to note that R Tal had the license for a North American Gundam RPG and GoO had a license for a North American Evangelion RPG. Neither one came about. I wonder if it says something about the RPG market that both companies felt there weren't enough sales in two of the biggest names in all of anime?
Quote from: S. John RossYou mean it isn't still Mekton II and TFOS? :)
Hey! I made up a mech the other day.
Servos are pretty much all Medium Striker, except for the head which is HS.
Armor is 6 Torso, 7 Head, 5 on limbs.
Powerplant is standard. It has hands. Cockpit is in the head. Sensors in the head. Torso spaces are all filled with the thruster system.
In Gundamesque form, it has a hand carried beam saber (2H EMW, stored on the top of the flight backpack), and a Plasmagun. The legs have 1 rocket launcher each.
Sadly, there's no escape pod and no frills. I ran out of my 100 point allotment.
I made it up because I finally convinced someone to run Mecha versus Kaiju. It was my first old school basic M2 suit in a while. It was even quicker to write up than I remembered.
Quote from: GabrielI made it up because I finally convinced someone to run Mecha versus Kaiju.
PARADE FOR GABRIEL!
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!PARADE FOR GABRIEL!
No shit! :D
But I'll settle for the game to actually start so I can blow crap up and hack giant rubber monsters with a lightsaber.
I'd definatly use Mekton for it over True20 (I like True20 for what it is--but it lacks sufficient support for the mecha thing.).
I wish I still had a copy of Mekton II (and the technical manual, despite wanting simplicity of Mekton II I still like to tinker occasionally)
Quote from: VellorianNow that GoO is down, whose the most likely "big dog" of anime RPGs?
Actually there is still a rumor that Big Eyes Small Mouth 3rd edition will be released so even though it wont be from GOO it will still cover Anime in RPGS.
I have a Guardians of Order Fan Forum: http://www.goofanforums.com/ (http://www.goofanforums.com/) which is present for fans of the past GOO games. I also have a forum for BESM 3rd edition so people can share any information they come across. Feel free to stop by and check out the forum
(It was a plug but it wasw also applicable to the conversation)
I'm just getting into anime. I have Speed Racer, the first 8 episodes of Cowboy Bebop and I'm in the process of borrowing Robotech from a friend.
Advice and suggestions on what to watch next is always welcome. :)
If BeSM continues with another company, which it certainly might, it will continue to be the industry standard for that genre.
If not, something else will come along. None of the competition out there right now come even close to being able to fulfill BeSM's position in this genre.
RPGPundit
Quote from: VellorianI'm just getting into anime. I have Speed Racer, the first 8 episodes of Cowboy Bebop and I'm in the process of borrowing Robotech from a friend.
Advice and suggestions on what to watch next is always welcome. :)
As a gamer, I took particular inspiration from Orphen, Full Metal Alchemist, and, of course, the ever-popular Ninja Scroll. I'm not a hard-core anime fan, but I enjoyed all of those.
Only watch Dragonball Z if you enjoy where the antagonist spends the entire epsiode doling out percentages (to the thousandth decimal) of how much of his power he has used, why the attack from the previous episode did not phase him, and how unstoppable his next attack will be. They average about 1 actual attack per show, I think. :p ;)
For some cheap laughs, you can go with the later episodes of Lupin III or his movies like Castle of Cagliostro. I admire the hell out Inspector Zenigata--that dude never, ever gives up. They throw him in a place where no one has ever escaped from, and does he give a rat's ass? Hell, no, he's focused on arresting Lupin. :cool:
Quote from: VellorianI'm just getting into anime. I have Speed Racer, the first 8 episodes of Cowboy Bebop and I'm in the process of borrowing Robotech from a friend.
Advice and suggestions on what to watch next is always welcome. :)
Original Bubblegum Crisis
Macross Plus
Gundam 0083
Nadesico (the series)
Oh My Goddess (original OAV)
Macross II
Star Blazers (at least the Quest for Iscandar)
Otaku No Video
Quote from: RPGPunditIf BeSM continues with another company, which it certainly might, it will continue to be the industry standard for that genre.
If not, something else will come along. None of the competition out there right now come even close to being able to fulfill BeSM's position in this genre.
RPGPundit
I dont think its a question of "If", its a matter of when and the right person coming up with the money
Quote from: Geek MessiahI dont think its a question of "If", its a matter of when and the right person coming up with the money
Or one of the current wrong people becoming right as GoO's former head honcho gets more desperate for debt relief and/or living funds and the price tag drops.
Quote from: Geek MessiahI dont think its a question of "If", its a matter of when and the right person coming up with the money
There is, however, the question of longevity. I imagine two broad scenarios; there are shades of possibility between them:
Scenario A: Another publisher actually picks up BESM3 and not only publishes it, but keeps it in print and makes an honest go at supporting it with supplements.
Scenario B: Another publisher picks up BESM3, publishes a nice edition in a single moderate print-run so that the fans can have it and get a nice note of closure, and then lets it fade into the night unless sales exceed their expectations considerably.
I would love to see A happen, but I also know that it would be much easier to find a publisher interested in Scenario B, mainly because any of the publishers with the resources to support BESM3 are publishers who already have other games they're focusing their editorial (and other) resources on.
I'm still fairly confident that we'll have a copy of BESM3 to hug and squeeze and call George ... partly because BESM3 is known to be finished entirely (including page layout) so that makes it a very attractive thing for even a halfway-interested publisher. I'm less confident (though hopeful) that the Companion will see print (very hopeful, since I like the part I wrote) and even less confident (though still hopeful) that we'll see anything beyond that.
Quote from: GabrielMacross Plus
Macross II
Are these related to
Robotech?
Also, does anime focus on anything other than mecha? I mean, giant robots were an interesting twist 30 years ago, but they've lost their charm with me...
Quote from: VellorianAre these related to Robotech?
Also, does anime focus on anything other than mecha? I mean, giant robots were an interesting twist 30 years ago, but they've lost their charm with me...
Robotech is an Americanized conglomeration of three unrelated Japanese mecha/sci-fi programs from the early 80s. The original Macross series became the first 36 episodes of Robotech.
In the land of the rising sun, Macross is it's own thing. Think of them like parallel universes.
Still, if you've seen the first 36 episodes of Robotech, you've seen Macross. You'll have different names for the characters and think of "protoculture" as something entirely different, but you'll still have the gist of it, just like Star Blazers fans have the gist of Space Battleship Yamato. And the sequels don't really require you to know much Macross lore in the first place, so you should be able to get into them just fine.
If you're tired of mecha (what a wierdo you are) then try Golgo 13: The Professional, Fist of the North Star: The Motion Picture (if either of those are still in production), and Barefoot Gen.
Or, if you just want something strange, Project A-Ko.
Quote from: GabrielRobotech is an Americanized conglomeration of three unrelated Japanese mecha/sci-fi programs from the early 80s. The original Macross series became the first 36 episodes of Robotech.
I've seen the first couple DVDs of Robotech, I don't think that's the full 36 eps, though. It only felt like maybe ... 10?
Quote from: Gabriel"protoculture"
I'm getting the implication that there was a culture that "seeded" Earth and also went on to become the Zentradi. What I'm still confused about is who built the SDF-1.
Quote from: Gabrieljust like Star Blazers fans have the gist of Space Battleship Yamato.
I saw
Star Blazers when I was a kid, so we're talking 25 years ago. It seemed to me that there were three distinct "types" of
Star Blazers show, would these have been three different seasons?
QuoteIf you're tired of mecha (what a wierdo you are)
Yeah, well, I'm weird, that I'll grant you. :)
I just picked up all of the
Cowboy Bebop shows + movie from eBay. I should get it in a few days. I'm also borrowing the rest of the
Robotech from my buddy. I've downloaded some fantasy anime, but I got pretty bored through the first couple episodes which were little more than a rehashed dungeon crawl after a town got attacked by goblins.
Thanks for the help, by the way. :) I feel like a regular gaijin. ;)
Quote from: VellorianI've seen the first couple DVDs of Robotech, I don't think that's the full 36 eps, though. It only felt like maybe ... 10?
6 episodes per DVD, so 12.
Quote from: VellorianI'm getting the implication that there was a culture that "seeded" Earth and also went on to become the Zentradi. What I'm still confused about is who built the SDF-1.
Don't worry, it gets more confusing before it becomes clear.
Your interpretation of protoculture is more or less right for Macross, though
Quote from: VellorianI saw Star Blazers when I was a kid, so we're talking 25 years ago. It seemed to me that there were three distinct "types" of Star Blazers show, would these have been three different seasons?
Well, there were three seasons (one only aired in very limited places), but Star Blazers was very different on American TV at the time because each season was a continuing story. While there were differences between the seasons, they do just pick up where the other left off and feature the same characters. So, you may be thinking of something else.
Quote from: VellorianI've downloaded some fantasy anime, but I got pretty bored through the first couple episodes which were little more than a rehashed dungeon crawl after a town got attacked by goblins.
Many people like Record of Lodoss War (the original OAV). But, what you described does sound an awful lot like the first couple of episodes. It takes a while to get going.
Quote from: GabrielOr, if you just want something strange, Project A-Ko.
Hah.
Revolutionary Girl Utena and
Serial Experiments Lain are two of my favourites: I'd say that they qualify as just a tad stranger.
Quote from: YamoOr one of the current wrong people becoming right as GoO's former head honcho gets more desperate for debt relief and/or living funds and the price tag drops.
This is true. Hopefully that doesnt happen and he takes the time to place the various games with the right people and gets GOO out of debt so it ends on a positive note.
Quote from: S. John RossThere is, however, the question of longevity. I imagine two broad scenarios; there are shades of possibility between them:
Scenario A: Another publisher actually picks up BESM3 and not only publishes it, but keeps it in print and makes an honest go at supporting it with supplements.
Scenario B: Another publisher picks up BESM3, publishes a nice edition in a single moderate print-run so that the fans can have it and get a nice note of closure, and then lets it fade into the night unless sales exceed their expectations considerably.
I would love to see A happen, but I also know that it would be much easier to find a publisher interested in Scenario B, mainly because any of the publishers with the resources to support BESM3 are publishers who already have other games they're focusing their editorial (and other) resources on.
I'm still fairly confident that we'll have a copy of BESM3 to hug and squeeze and call George ... partly because BESM3 is known to be finished entirely (including page layout) so that makes it a very attractive thing for even a halfway-interested publisher. I'm less confident (though hopeful) that the Companion will see print (very hopeful, since I like the part I wrote) and even less confident (though still hopeful) that we'll see anything beyond that.
What you are saying is very true. A) is the option we all hope will happen if/when BESM 3 is purchased. I can see how option B) would be good for a company (not necessarily for the fans) as a quick way to get money in a hurry.
We can only hope that whoever Mark sells it to is interested in keeping BESM going. Hopefully Mark is factoring that in before selling the rights to BESM but you never know
It's been days now, but I still read the thread title as Sharp Pointy Chin Hair. Makes me think about that episode of Dexter's Lab where the french guy tried to stab Dexter with his goatee... :D
-mice
Quote from: flyingmiceIt's been days now, but I still read the thread title as Sharp Pointy Chin Hair. Makes me think about that episode of Dexter's Lab where the french guy tried to stab Dexter with his goatee... :D
-mice
Never seen it so I wouldnt know. I will take your word for it
Other thread titles I considered:
Eye Globes and Hair Blades
Pointy Nose Razor Hair
Melodramatic Cry Unmoving Chin
Short Skirts Underage Schoolgirls
(This aspect of Anime really disturbs me...)
Quote from: Geek MessiahI can see how option B) would be good for a company (not necessarily for the fans) as a quick way to get money in a hurry.
I disagree vehemently with this characterization. I was talking about a publisher who respects BESM using a sensible way to get the book out there without undue risk and without derailing a company's established priorities, not "a quick way to get money in a hurry."
Quote from: S. John RossI disagree vehemently with this characterization. I was talking about a publisher who respects BESM using a sensible way to get the book out there without undue risk and without derailing a company's established priorities, not "a quick way to get money in a hurry."
What I meant to say is "Option B could be a money grab for certain companies and other companies may put out BESM 3rd so that the community who has been looking forward to it may the game they have been waiting for.
Quote from: Geek MessiahYou are welcome to disagree with my characterization. But if a company puts out the game without any desire to support it (IMHO) its a money grab and thats it.
Sure, but you have rudely
invented a scenario and posted it as if it were a response to my post, and then phrased it as if you were "agreeing" with me. Saying (as you did) "What you are saying is very true." and then following up with something that totally contradicts what I said is either dishonest or stupid.
If you want to rail against the imagined evils you conjure up for theoretical RPG publishers, do it without trying to pretend it's something I said that you agree with. Do you understand the nature of my complaint, here?
To put it another way: If you disagree wth my scenarios (and you DO), then have the balls to disagree, instead of trying to slip your disagreement in sideways by way of pretending to agree.
Quote from: S. John RossSure, but you have rudely invented a scenario and posted it as if it were a response to my post, and then phrased it as if you were "agreeing" with me. Saying (as you did) "What you are saying is very true." and then following up with something that totally contradicts what I said is either dishonest or stupid.
If you want to rail against the imagined evils you conjure up for theoretical RPG publishers, do it without trying to pretend it's something I said that you agree with. Do you understand the nature of my complaint, here?
To put it another way: If you disagree wth my scenarios (and you DO), then have the balls to disagree, instead of trying to slip your disagreement in sideways by way of pretending to agree.
Actually I wanted to appologise. I wrote that in a hurry and you replied before I got to edit the message.
What I meant to say is "Option B could be a money grab for certain companies and other companies may put out BESM 3rd so that the community who has been looking forward to it may the game they have been waiting for.
Quote from: Geek MessiahActually I wanted to appologise. I wrote that in a hurry and you replied before I got to edit the message.
Fair enough. Such are the risks of us both being at the keyboard; it's more like a chatroom than a message board right now.
Group hug.
Quote from: S. John RossFair enough. Such are the risks of us both being at the keyboard; it's more like a chatroom than a message board right now.
Group hug.
Yeah and I am doing it at work so I am typing faster then I am thinking and what I am trying to say might not come across like I want it to (As per example what was said before).
I will try to reply only when I have time to actually think out what I am trying to say