Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1002732Krug, half of the OSR'ers on this forum are crap at the very style of play they espouse. Much less GM em'. If this guy's GMs are crap at his theorycrafted style , leave 'im alone. There aren't enough of us fantastic GMs go around -- we're a rarity, you know.

I don't think it's a matter of good or bad GMing. I think it's a matter of having good tools at disposal to help address themes the group wants, with little to no work. I don't expect that my fellow gamers - all adults with wives, kids and work - waste precious time prepping/planning for a weekly friday-night game. But then I'm far from being the "professional GM" CRKrueger and RPGPundit seem to advocate around here. Not even interested in that, really. I've got a life, you know.

Yeah, that whole embezzlement scandal really fucked up Shadowrun fandom. I don't think it was ever the same after that.

Quote from: Itachi;1003471I don't think it's a matter of good or bad GMing. I think it's a matter of having good tools at disposal to help address themes the group wants, with little to no work. I don't expect that my fellow gamers - all adults with wives, kids and work - waste precious time prepping/planning for a weekly friday-night game. But then I'm far from being the "professional GM" CRKrueger and RPGPundit seem to advocate around here. Not even interested in that, really. I've got a life, you know.

As does every GM, some of them I'm sure more productive than mine or yours.  Being a good GM doesn't mean being a professional GM who allocates no time to anything else.  All you need to do to fully engage your imagination is actually assume your setting exists, is a real place somewhere and then try to figure out how it works, especially with regards to cause, effect, and consequence.

For example, how many movies, books, tv episodes hell even modules, have characters being made aware that someone is after them because they have friends or contacts who are plugged into the streets and they are told someone is hitting the streets looking for them, or the PC's are monitoring communications or the internet to catch searches on them?  All you have to do is stop thinking of the PCs as the center of the universe and simply being a part of a living setting to get the idea that "Hey, maybe if the PCs hit the streets and the Matrix asking about Mitsuhama's new research facility in Bellevue, there will be a similar ripple effect."

It hardly takes hours of prepwork to figure out that what happens in real life as well as in other fictional worlds might actually happen in an RPG setting.  It just takes an act of imagination to pretend that your setting exists as something outside the expression of a game's mechanics.

You're totally right, CRKrueger. I was having a bad day and talked outta my ass there.

My apologies, pal.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1004350"Hey, maybe if the PCs hit the streets and the Matrix asking about Mitsuhama's new research facility in Bellevue, there will be a similar ripple effect."

And as was mentioned (by you I think) up-thread the crazy rules bloat of Shadowrun meant that they actually made rules for how to simulate that.  IIRC it was the Sourcebook so it was quite early into 3rd edition.

Quote from: CRKrueger;1004350"Hey, maybe if the PCs hit the streets and the Matrix asking about Mitsuhama's new research facility in Bellevue, there will be a similar ripple effect."

And as was mentioned (by you I think) up-thread the crazy rules bloat of Shadowrun meant that they actually made rules for how to simulate that.  IIRC it was the Sourcebook so it was quite early into 3rd edition.

Yeah you can have rules to "fence the loot" or "do a matrix research", etc in Shadowrun but it will take half a dozen rolls and take into consideration a dozen factors. While in the Sprawl moves are just 1 roll. This means in a 4 hours session the signal to noise ratio in Sprawl will be much better than Shadowrun. (I know it, I've spent 2 hours in a single SR combat more than one time, and it's not an absurd thing if you follow the RAW).

Ok, played The Sprawl recently. It was a blast and is my default Shadowrun system from now on. I recommend everyone frustrated by SR default rules give it a try, even those who don't like PbtA, as Sprawl is a pretty trad implementation of the engine.

I'm really really happy that I've finally found a system to run one of my fave settings ever.

It is in the latest Bundle of Holding right now.

I'd have really liked Shadowrun if it system wasn't the diametric opposite of what I liked.

You know what would work for Shadowrun? OSR. I'm not joking. Owl Hoot Trail already did it with gunslinger and fantasy races. Just take it up a notch to include cyber implants.

Shadowrun is basically D&D so I'd second just reskinning things.  Cyberware can just be magic items that are implanted in the body.  Proceed with techno-dungeon crawl as normal.

You don't even need rules for matrix. Just dictate the Thief/Decker can disarm traps wirelessly.

Quote from: Itachi;1009206You know what would work for Shadowrun? OSR. I'm not joking. Owl Hoot Trail already did it with gunslinger and fantasy races. Just take it up a notch to include cyber implants.

I bet you'd be right about that.