Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 03:16:29 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on March 30, 2023, 12:47:59 PMHer 5e adventures probably have a much bigger general audience than most OSR publishers. I'd say that she was likely able to leverage a portion of that audience into giving SD a go.

With OSE I can use OSE and any B/X adventure for years of gaming with the one book if I like.  For a lot less money

So what?

OSE and other OSR games are not ShadowDarks competition.

People already into the OSR, and games like OSE are not ShadowDarks target audience.

Because this:

Quote from: Festus on March 30, 2023, 02:14:43 PM
My guess is that:

a lot of backers are 5e players and Shadowdark is their introduction to OSR-like games.
a lot of backers were already fans of the designer's 5e adventures, followed her on Youtube, members of her Discord, social media, etc.
Some backers find existing OSR games and communities to be intimidating, off-putting, or even unwelcoming.

If so, it literally doesn't matter that other games do the same things. These backers aren't looking at, interested in, or aware of those other games.

Gettin' spicy again! We just cracked 31 pages. Dare we dream of 32 pages of free ShadowDark advertising!?

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 03:12:45 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 30, 2023, 12:50:52 PM
I don't either. And didn't back Shadowdark.

But I have to point out that you just recently started a thread praising OSE, which is simply B/X. Not throwing shade on OSE, I backed it, but the standard seems odd to me.

What standard?  I am not sure what the hell you are talking about.  I was saying that because I have OSE it does early less complicated fantasy.  All Shadowdark would be is a duplicate product that sits on my shelf.  why do I need that?  The answer is I do not.

Settle down, Lucy, it wasn't an attack.

This was said:

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 12:08:05 PM

Quote from: Marchand on March 30, 2023, 10:59:01 AM
I am finding the whole Shadowdark phenomenon baffling. I just scanned the free player quickstart and it looks like much the same old OSR stuff to me, with 5e stat checks added. Dozens of groups have probably already thought of that.

I agree.  I am not sure what makes Shadowdark so great over the many other OSR games out there today.

You agreed that the phenomenon is baffling to you too. You said you aren't sure what makes is so great. I said I agree, I don't see what makes it so great either. In another thread you are promoting OSE, a repackage of B/X. Why wouldn't you be baffled by the success of OSE Or wondering what makes OSE so great?

I never said you or anybody should purchase Shadowdark.

Mainly keeping this alive to see Jaeger cream himself if it hits way beyond 31...

Quote from: Jaeger on March 30, 2023, 12:47:59 PMWhat I want to know is can arguing about woke purity tests get us to the magic 31 pages of free ShadowDark advertising on the RPGSite?

Quote from: SHARK on March 30, 2023, 01:41:21 PMFurthermore, strictly speaking, there is precious few things anywhere in the OSR that are genuinely *new* or *original*.

That's different, though, cuz the exalted OSR is built on the backs of the greatest TTRPG ever published. That fact alone makes any game under that label more innovative and worthy of praise than any 5e derived OSR wannabe gutter trash game, as well as 100% compatible with other OSR stuff (despite there being no standard or consistent presentation of WTF exactly constitutes an "OSR game", making such a claim dubious at best, or an outright lie at worst).

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 03:16:29 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on March 30, 2023, 12:47:59 PMBut honestly, who gives a fuck about that?

Not me.  She isnt the first designer who put out something I cant already do with what I have, wont be the last.

You don't give a fuck so much you feel the need to make like three+ posts per page remining us how you don't really want this game, but can't stop giving free advertisement for this unoriginal trash heap you desperately don't want.

Quote from: FingerRod on March 30, 2023, 03:59:42 PM
Settle down, Lucy, it wasn't an attack.

I didnt take it as an attack.  I just didnt understand what you meant by what you said.

Quote from: FingerRod on March 30, 2023, 03:59:42 PM
Mainly keeping this alive to see Jaeger cream himself if it hits way beyond 31...

He will.

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 30, 2023, 04:03:17 PM

You don't give a fuck so much you feel the need to make like three+ posts per page remining us how you don't really want this game, but can't stop giving free advertisement for this unoriginal trash heap you desperately don't want.

No, I made 3 + posts replying to what people are saying.

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 04:10:08 PM

Quote from: FingerRod on March 30, 2023, 03:59:42 PM
Settle down, Lucy, it wasn't an attack.

I didnt take it as an attack.  I just didnt understand what you meant by what you said.

Quote from: FingerRod on March 30, 2023, 03:59:42 PM
Mainly keeping this alive to see Jaeger cream himself if it hits way beyond 31...

He will.

We're cool. You were one of the few that I could stomach in /OSR before I gave up on Reddit  (assuming you were the same ninja ).

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 30, 2023, 04:03:17 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on March 30, 2023, 12:47:59 PMWhat I want to know is can arguing about woke purity tests get us to the magic 31 pages of free ShadowDark advertising on the RPGSite?

Quote from: FingerRod on March 30, 2023, 03:59:42 PM
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Mainly keeping this alive to see Jaeger cream himself if it hits way beyond 31...

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 04:10:08 PM
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He will.

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 04:11:05 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 30, 2023, 04:03:17 PM

You don't give a fuck so much you feel the need to make like three+ posts per page remining us how you don't really want this game, but can't stop giving free advertisement for this unoriginal trash heap you desperately don't want.

No, I made 3 + posts replying to what people are saying.

In a thread you don't have to post about a game you don't care about. Your next separate reply to everyone who's replied to you should get this to page 32 if someone else doesn't beat you to it. 

Quote from: rytrasmi on March 30, 2023, 01:35:19 PM

Quote from: Marchand on March 30, 2023, 10:59:01 AM
I am finding the whole Shadowdark phenomenon baffling. I just scanned the free player quickstart and it looks like much the same old OSR stuff to me, with 5e stat checks added. Dozens of groups have probably already thought of that.

Dozens, you say? The Shadowdark KS has 13000+ backers. Homebrew is great, but a well designed product has a lot of thought and playtesting put into it.

It's not ground breaking, it's not earth shattering, it's not even that novel, yeah yeah. But 80% of success is showing up, and Shadowdark showed up.

Sure. I don't wish it ill. If it does well, all power to it.

What I am puzzled by is the intensity of personal investment some people clearly have for it - evident in this thread. My best guess is people are hoping this will Pathfinder D&D. I mean, yeah that would be hilarious, but it seems pretty unlikely.

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 30, 2023, 05:05:22 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 04:11:05 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on March 30, 2023, 04:03:17 PM

You don't give a fuck so much you feel the need to make like three+ posts per page remining us how you don't really want this game, but can't stop giving free advertisement for this unoriginal trash heap you desperately don't want.

No, I made 3 + posts replying to what people are saying.

In a thread you don't have to post about a game you don't care about. Your next separate reply to everyone who's replied to you should get this to page 32 if someone else doesn't beat you to it. 

I don't care about Sharp Swords and Sinister Spells by Old Skull Publishing.
In fact I'd never heard of it until I googled "list of OSR games" looking for something I'd never heard of.

Holy shit!
There's a lot I've never heard of.

Anyway I'm sure it's great (and possibly fascist, or snaky, or a micro-aggression against people with lisps - I mean "SS&SS"? Really?), but has about 12,000 fewer people who bought it than bought Shadowdark.

Which of course means fuck all.

Come on page 32!

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 30, 2023, 03:34:22 PM

Quote from: blackstone on March 30, 2023, 03:22:50 PM
So, I ask you again, all of the critics and detractors: could you by some small chance be a LITTLE jealous?

Nope.  I am glad she is successful with it, I don't care that she is a women or even a gay women.

I have what i need for my fantasy needs and I don't need to spend money on a game I won't ever use.   I don't do that anymore.  I only keep the books I use and sell the ones that I don't so my collection has been trimmed down considerably.

I only speak for myself, not for others.

Sounds good to me.

Greetings!

I have zero interest in Call of Cthulhu games, or games set in space. So, I have nothing to say in those threads. Indeed, it is amazing how for so any people that have *zero* interest in ShadowDark though--they are very vocal about promoting their point of view on that! *Laughing*

Jealousy and grinding their nuts for sure!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on March 30, 2023, 01:41:21 PM
Greetings!


ShadowDark takes many systems and mechanics from other games and presents them, perhaps also modified, in one book.

This. 1000 times this.

I'm a busy guy. I would rather spend my time creating adventures than fiddling with house rules(unless we are talking about Tunnels and Trolls) and I like all of the material that she has collated into one complete game. Saves me the hassle of doing so. I like the advantage/disadvantage rules from 5E, the rolling spell checks and penalties for crit fail (I liked it in DCC but this is less cumbersome in play), I like the randomized talents at level up, the encumbrance system, and I like the presentation. The only thing I'm not sold on is the exp system although I am hoping for better examples in the complete game.

I became aware of it vis Prof DM's review. I downloaded the quick start and liked it. This is the first Kickstart that I have backs and I am looking forward to it.

As far as all the hand wringing going on......seems like a tempest in a teapot.

Mark

Quote from: shihansmurf on March 30, 2023, 06:29:15 PM

Quote from: SHARK on March 30, 2023, 01:41:21 PM
Greetings!


ShadowDark takes many systems and mechanics from other games and presents them, perhaps also modified, in one book.

This. 1000 times this.

I'm a busy guy. I would rather spend my time creating adventures than fiddling with house rules(unless we are talking about Tunnels and Trolls) and I like all of the material that she has collated into one complete game. Saves me the hassle of doing so. I like the advantage/disadvantage rules from 5E, the rolling spell checks and penalties for crit fail (I liked it in DCC but this is less cumbersome in play), I like the randomized talents at level up, the encumbrance system, and I like the presentation. The only thing I'm not sold on is the exp system although I am hoping for better examples in the complete game.

I became aware of it vis Prof DM's review. I downloaded the quick start and liked it. This is the first Kickstart that I have backs and I am looking forward to it.

As far as all the hand wringing going on......seems like a tempest in a teapot.

Mark

Greetings!

I hear you, Mark! I've been an OSR guy, and also a 5E guy, forever. However, I don't have 12 different OD&D game books all rehashing the same basic game. I'm sure various games and retro-clones have little widgets that are great. I'm not interested in buying 12 different game books all doing the same thing.

Note: I have three sets of original AD&D books, including my first set from 1978. I also have a copy of OSRIC.

Then, *BOOM*--ShadowDark jumps in front of me. I was immediately impressed, and having seen a few of Kelsey's gaming videos before, I then watched Runehammer, Questing Beast, and Dungeoncraft, with Professor DM. That confirmed it for me. I then went and backed Shadowdark at the Legend level promptly. Everything you mentioned as being attractive. Damn right! I'm looking forward to ShadowDark. All the haters crying that Kelsey has got over 1 million dollars, *laughing*--that's just icing on the cake!

Welcome to the site, too, Mark!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK