As for ron moore, he later turned around and created a p.c., moral-relativist nihilist anti-civilization piece of crap, where they also end up "finding god".

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Quote from: jeff37923;318442.........And actually, didn't Paramount assign Rick Berman to Roddenberry after he made the overbudget turkey of Star Trek: The Motion Picture? You know, to ensure that he didn't fuck up again?

Your facts are off (again).

STAR TREK: The Motion Picture was 1978 (filiming) 1979 (released)

STAR TREK: THe Next Generation started Production in late 1986 after Paramount noticed that VOYAGE HOME was a huge hit at the box office.  TNG premiered in Early October of 1987.  There is no political connection between the two projects.

From the Wikpedia article on Rick Berman:

QuoteIn 1987, Roddenberry selected Berman and Maurice Hurley to help create Star Trek: The Next Generation.[2] Initially, he shared supervising producer duties with Robert H. Justman; after Justman changed to consulting producer duties, Berman was promoted to co-executive producer.[2] As Roddenberry's health declined, Berman took over more of the show's daily production; he was promoted to executive producer in the show's third season, following Hurley's departure.[2] Berman wrote the TNG episodes "Brothers" and "A Matter of Time".[2] In its final year, The Next Generation became the first syndicated television show to be nominated for the Best Dramatic Series Emmy.[2]

In some interviews with both Roddenberry and Majel Barret it is revealed that Gene knew his healthg was declining - he chose Berman to manage the show for him...not Paramount.

Again , Jeff, your constant slams of Gene Roddenberry are getting old and boring.


- Ed C.

Entirely too much information on Star Trek there, chaps. :emot-clint: Let's get back to the more interesting stuff.

Hypothesis: Wushu is communism. Discuss.

Quote from: OneTinSoldier;318380Yes, if only we had a magic way...

In the meantime, over-population in sub-Sahara Africa, central Africia, & the Horn continues to cost hundreds of thousands of lives & social dissolution.

Holland has a stable political environment and a developed infrastructure. Comparing it to Niger is like saying cows don't need water to breath, so fish do not either.
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Intertesting position (I say interesting i mean ... um the same as everyone else says ) but not necessarily true. There is a school of thought that says overpopulation is a myth and if you take sub-sarharan africa say ... Sudan the average population density is 14/km (the 194th highest in the world compared to say Indai with 344/km (the 29th highest). The real problem in Sub-sarharan Africa is the people that live on the boarders of arid areas are politically unable to migrate so the land gets increasingly poor. In Sudan in particular the political oppression of Darfur and the cycle of civil war it leads to doesn't help any.
In fact The densest mainland African state is Rwanda and prior to the genocide in '94 it had a realatively high standard of living. Overall thepopulation density of Africa as a whole is only about 17/km (1/2 the global average) .

Sorry if this sounds a bit preachy but I get unnecessarily narked when people trot out the same old Africa is in the shitter becuase "its population density is too high and women have 8 kids each". Now if only they had replicators...

Oh and the problem with the TREKverse running on Intellectual property is that the people inventing stuff won't be doing it for money they will be doing it for prestige, fame and possibly in a few rare instances the common good. The reason for this is simple once you have a replicator you don't need money cos you can replicate. Therefore everything will be given away for nothing in order to get it out there, much like the internet without the need to advertise.

Quote from: Koltar;318475Your facts are off (again).

STAR TREK: The Motion Picture was 1978 (filiming) 1979 (released)

STAR TREK: THe Next Generation started Production in late 1986 after Paramount noticed that VOYAGE HOME was a huge hit at the box office.  TNG premiered in Early October of 1987.  There is no political connection between the two projects..

Bullshit. The connection is Roddenberry.

Keep trying to obfuscate the truth.

Quote from: Koltar;318475In some interviews with both Roddenberry and Majel Barret it is revealed that Gene knew his healthg was declining - he chose Berman to manage the show for him...not Paramount.

From a June 6, 2009 interview with David Gerrold -

QuoteYeah, now Rick Berman was not...Gene didn't like Rick, at all. But Rick was installed on the show by the studio as a way to keep a control on the show. To keep it from getting out of hand. To keep the budgets in line, make sure that the scripts were done. Rick was there to manage the details. To make sure that the scripts got done on time, and that production moved along. Because the studio was a little bit afraid of another debacle like STAR TREK THE MOTION PICTURE, which had gone way over-budget, way out-of-control, and was a big fat turkey. And the studio knew their problem then had been Gene. And so they put Rick in place to try and make things work. To work around Gene, to make it work.

Quote from: Koltar;318475Again , Jeff, your constant slams of Gene Roddenberry are getting old and boring.

Again Ed, you are a Trekkie. One of those for whom Star Trek is not a science fiction franchise, but a religion with Roddenberry as the Holy Father.

Quote from: Mr AnalyticalD&D is the ultimate right wing wet dream. A bunch of guys who are better than your average joe set out into the middle of nowhere where they murder and kill everything they come across in order to stockpile gold and elaborate magical bling. There are no taxes, no state and any poor people that get in your way get their village burned to the ground. It's like Ayn Rand on PCP

That cocksmock is still around? He's one of the poster-child Bitter Non-Gamers, he's been whinging and shaking his fist in futile nerdfury for half a decade at least. I wouldn't pay attention to anything he says.

I think politics can be interesting in a game setting. Different groups and individuals want different things, some things they can and do compromise on, some things they can't or won't compromise on. You can chuck PCs into these conflicts and see what happens next, and there you have your adventure.

The key is that the politics of the game setting must not be stable. Things should be jumping up and down like mad. That way the actions of the PCs can make a difference, and players get into the game.

Quote from: RPGPundit;318472As for ron moore, he later turned around and created a p.c., moral-relativist nihilist anti-civilization piece of crap, where they also end up "finding god".

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You mean his work on Roswell? I can't argue with that.

If you mean Battlestar Galactica - well winning a Peabody Award, a Hugo Award, and an Emmy Award must not mean much to you.

Not to mention, no writer to my knowledge has had any problems with Ron Moore over Battlestar Galactica. The stories of Roddenberry's ham-fisted treatment of writers and fucking up episodes are legion.

Quote from: jibbajibba;318341I mean no one actively wants the starving millions and unfair distribution of resources we just accept it as a result of the result of the fact that resource pool is limited and the more sucessful nations/indivdiuals will therefore grab more of the stuff.

I know a few social darwinists who actively think that starving Ethiopians are a good thing, since it means a market to be exploited, and some Ethiopians should be getting rich off it.

Right royal bastards, really, see any social welfare laws as bad for the species, and welfare programs as theft.

Heinlein was a rabid libertarian. Every stinking one of his later works I've read was preachy libertarian crap.

His "juveniles" lacked that, for the most part.

Heinlein was kind of a mental case; its very hard to say what his real political leanings were.

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Quote from: aramis;318554Right royal bastards, really, see any social welfare laws as bad for the species, and welfare programs as theft.

You don't see welfare programs as theft?

Quote from: RPGPundit;318638Heinlein was kind of a mental case; its very hard to say what his real political leanings were.

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Not really. All you have to do is read his book on political activism entitled Take Back Your Government to see that he was pretty conservative with a dash of libertarianism. Not hard to say what his political leanings are when he tells you in a book.

Ah... but it is ALWAYS easier to simply paint people you disagree with as 'confused' or 'fucked up' than to actually rebut anything they say.  That's why its so popular.

Also: Ignore any replies from Jeff, he is a moron

Quote from: Spike;318673Also: Ignore any replies from Jeff, he is a moron

That's MISTER Moron to you.

My Apologies, Mr. Moron, sir!