Well what I had in mind was an aerosol type contact poison, easily mitigable by the right wardrobe of course...but then i recall reading somewhere that a basic jedi exercise is to stopper a bottle and then use the force to pass air into and out of the bottle through the cork or wall or whatever one molecule at a time or something...if they can do that it would be a marvel power stunt type roll i imagine to "wall of tele-force" barrier against my stinking cloud spray can attack.

So mother whats her face on dathomir in the one clone wars episode was killing dooku from half a galaxy away with force voodoo magic in the form of a curse...maybe try that? can we get that shit into a missile grenade or beam? if not can we at least make its employment include a pew-pew sound?

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Quote from: Kahoona on May 09, 2023, 11:02:58 PMAs for actual research. Capturing Jedi alive and finding out why they can use the force would probably be my go to project. Because if one can understand the force, figure out how it's manipulated. Then one may be able to do some serious damage. Mind you, this is a theme that pops up alot in the various star wars stories.

This is one of the things I hate in modern fantasy. The attempt to make everything so dull and mundane. No the force isn't a mystical and spiritual power, it is a bunch of microscopic life forms living in your blood. Vampires are not magical curses that damn your soul, they are a blood diseases you can treat with medicine. Zombies are just a virus. So boring.

Eh. I think you can pull it off right. Let's go with what you are saying, that Jedi are space wizards and that the Force is a mystical force controlled by maybe something, maybe nothing. Left up to interpretation.

Now que evil science man trying to figure this shit out. Because in our universe of laws and science their must be a rational reason for why one person can use the force over another. Otherwise... It would simply be madness.

Obi-Wan answered this all the way back in ANH (before the dark times... before the prequels).

The answer originally was that ANYONE could be a Jedi... if they believed and trusted in the power of The Force. He further implied that Luck and Destiny were just subtle movements of The Force (and that Han was only lucky because the Force was with him, even if he didn't believe in it).

"Strong in the Force" meant someone open to it or through which the Force was moving.

In the OT, unless you were using The Force to sense the strength of The Force in others, the only thing separating Obi-Wan from Han Solo was training and belief. You may as well try to figure out how to scientifically detect and wield the power of engineers or physicists or doctors.

But of course third parties flanderized it with the concept of Force Sensitivity being a specific trait required to use The Force first rearing it's head in the WEG rpg (though to be fair to them, anyone could buy the Force Sensitive trait with XP).

And of course Timothy Zahn, foundation of the EU, borrowed heavily from the WEG material to flesh out the story... and so Force Sensitivity as a physical trait (instead of a mindset) made it's way into the broader EU.

And by the time Lucas went back to do the PT all this broader EU material and internet nerd debates over the nature of the Force were a thing he chose to speak to in the most annoying and unclear way possible (unclear because a lot of people think Midochlorians ARE the Force when they're actually supposed to just be an interface between humans and The Force in the same way a keyboard isn't a computer, just the interface with it).

It's not like Lucas had a real plan for all this (ideas yes, but the idea that the PTs were always going to be what they were is laughable... Leia wasn't always the sister and Han was too popular in the merchandising to kill off as planned) so expecting consistency is silly.

At best you can pick an era of development (OT, Bantam, PT, Del Rey, Disney) and run with its rules.

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 10, 2023, 09:04:36 AM
But of course third parties flanderized it with the concept of Force Sensitivity being a specific trait required to use The Force first rearing it's head in the WEG rpg (though to be fair to them, anyone could buy the Force Sensitive trait with XP).

And of course Timothy Zahn, foundation of the EU, borrowed heavily from the WEG material to flesh out the story... and so Force Sensitivity as a physical trait (instead of a mindset) made it's way into the broader EU.

   Zahn's approach to the Force is pretty vague, although he allows it to be biological in some cases--vornskrs hunting through the Force, for example. (He also has C'Baoth start Jedi training after finishing university--interesting divergence that's barely noticed there.) The idea that it can be measured by mechanical means really shows up in the Jedi Academy Trilogy, where the heroes come across old Imperial devices that can distinguish Force-sensitive and non-sensitive individuals.

Better armor.  Imperial armor doesn't protect against anything.

I'd get a cabal of trusted Imperials and create a virus that targeted Midicholrians.  Rid the galaxy of the stupid Force once and for all. I mean, just think of the devastation over eons due to these freaks of nature on both sides.

On that note, I'm convinced that Lucas came up with the idea of Midichlorians while sitting on the toilet flipping through an issue of Newsweek.  Any first-year biology major can tell you that Mitochondria are thought to have been, at one time, a separate organism (or, rather, genome) that integrated into what would become our (and other) genomes.  Mitochondria... Midichlorians... wipe, flush, write...

Edit:  ooh ooh!!  Bait them into a huge arena a la Genosis... and actually have Dooku and Fett participate in the battle.  Oh, and increase the droids by at least half.  That should do it.  Of course, Force users have shown they aren't too swift. 

Quote from: FASAfan on May 10, 2023, 03:25:08 PM
I'd get a cabal of trusted Imperials and create a virus that targeted Midicholrians.  Rid the galaxy of the stupid Force once and for all. I mean, just think of the devastation over eons due to these freaks of nature on both sides.

On that note, I'm convinced that Lucas came up with the idea of Midichlorians while sitting on the toilet flipping through an issue of Newsweek.  Any first-year biology major can tell you that Mitochondria are thought to have been, at one time, a separate organism (or, rather, genome) that integrated into what would become our (and other) genomes.  Mitochondria... Midichlorians... wipe, flush, write...

Mitochondria originating as a bacterium getting eaten, but not killed, by an archaea is really fucking cool and proves that truth is stranger than fiction. Midichlorians are boring compared to that.

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Quote from: Chris24601 on May 10, 2023, 09:04:36 AM
But of course third parties flanderized it with the concept of Force Sensitivity being a specific trait required to use The Force first rearing it's head in the WEG rpg (though to be fair to them, anyone could buy the Force Sensitive trait with XP).

And of course Timothy Zahn, foundation of the EU, borrowed heavily from the WEG material to flesh out the story... and so Force Sensitivity as a physical trait (instead of a mindset) made it's way into the broader EU.

   Zahn's approach to the Force is pretty vague, although he allows it to be biological in some cases--vornskrs hunting through the Force, for example. (He also has C'Baoth start Jedi training after finishing university--interesting divergence that's barely noticed there.) The idea that it can be measured by mechanical means really shows up in the Jedi Academy Trilogy, where the heroes come across old Imperial devices that can distinguish Force-sensitive and non-sensitive individuals.

I think we can all agree that Kevin J. Anderson makes most things worse.

Indeed, I have no idea who made the decision, but prior to this trilogy the canonicity of Dark Empire (written the same year "Heir to the Empire" released) relative to the novels was questionable (requiring quite a bit of "squint canon" and reversals of character growth to make both fit in the same universe).

That was also the Trilogy when Jedi started pulling Star Destroyers out of the sky because hack authors couldn't imagine anything other than raw physicality making the Death Star insignificant compared to the Force* and took "size matters not" to its literal extreme.

* The power of The Force took out the Death Star with a snub fighter and couple torpedoes. When you've got effectively "the power of plot" on your side there's nothing more powerful.

Set for stun.

Stun Jedi with big blue energy ring that doesn't seem like it would be blockable.

Set for kill and mag dump into stunned Jedi.

The defense for the Jedi would be to dodge the stun ring, which does seem slower than a blaster bolt. But if the Jedi is "locked" into Parry Everything mode, they might not be able to switch tactics instantly.

And for GMs, they have the option to omit step 3 and have the Jedi character get captured, which does happen occasionally in the Clone Wars cartoon.

Quote from: Summon666 on May 09, 2023, 11:53:22 PM
This is one of the things I hate in modern fantasy. The attempt to make everything so dull and mundane. No the force isn't a mystical and spiritual power, it is a bunch of microscopic life forms living in your blood. Vampires are not magical curses that damn your soul, they are a blood diseases you can treat with medicine. Zombies are just a virus. So boring.

The force used to be like a cross between Samurai and Wuxia. As in, it was a mystical power that came from enlightenment. No more able to be studied than someone's belief in God. No. The force isn't an ethereal connection between all living things that surrounds us and penetrates us, binding the galaxy together. One that a monk can attune himself to through discipline and study of self.. it is actually a bunch of microscopic aliens in your blood that cause immaculate conceptions, can be isolated in test tubes and injected into clone troopers, and instead of being a subtle extension of will it is a fucking wizard throwing out the "magic can do anything" crap.

Quote from: Chris24601 on May 10, 2023, 09:04:36 AM
The answer originally was that ANYONE could be a Jedi... if they believed and trusted in the power of The Force. He further implied that Luck and Destiny were just subtle movements of The Force (and that Han was only lucky because the Force was with him, even if he didn't believe in it).

"Strong in the Force" meant someone open to it or through which the Force was moving.

In the OT, unless you were using The Force to sense the strength of The Force in others, the only thing separating Obi-Wan from Han Solo was training and belief. You may as well try to figure out how to scientifically detect and wield the power of engineers or physicists or doctors.

I agree that the Force lost a ton of its mystique in the prequels especially as well as other interpretations. My old essay on scientific magic systems is applicable to how to interpret the Force.

https://www.darkshire.net/jhkim/rpg/magic/antiscience.html

I would push back a little in that the original trilogy did imply that strength in the Force is something inherited by parentage. Luke originally didn't seem to have particularly strong belief or spirituality, and had extremely little training. His strength with the Force was implied to be an inborn quality.

Still, in the OT one could pretend that it was more a question of destiny -- or that Luke's parentage gave him some spiritual quality like openness that could also be learned.

Plasma shotguns.

Preferably full auto.

Make Jedi go splat. Not hard.

Quote from: Jaeger on May 11, 2023, 12:08:02 AM
Plasma shotguns.

Preferably full auto.

Make Jedi go splat. Not hard.

"Wood-chipper beats everything" - Dean Winchester

I'd have a big net. But invisible. And electric. You'd throw it on a Jedi and it's invisible so they can't see it. And then they are electrified. I know all the Star Wars so I know this hasn't been done before.

Stormtroopers need laser sights on their blasters.

Mind you, if I was that other =][=mperium's r&d I'd either use Culexis Assassins or Grey Knights with frangible Psycannon rounds and Nemesis Force Halberds.  Sisters of Silence might also serve but they're mainly immune to psychers and undetectable with psychic powers.  Their Armaments are pretty much standard issue stuff like bolt guns, swords, and flamers. I wonder if they get power swords.  They'd at least be able to parry a light sabre due to their power field.  Maybe I'm over thinking it.

"I sense a disturbance in the force, something very bad is coming."