How would you equip troopers of the Galactic Empire against Jedi?

I was thinking about one of the better COD's (Infinite Warfare) and remembered it had the coolest doo-hickey you could slap on a cyber-shotgun, A reflex sight that would analyze an enemy and alter the trajectory of each pellet that it would every major joint/body-area resulting in a one-shot; Kicker was it was slow compared to the speed of combat, But is was still a slick sci-fi concept!

I want to know: what weapon/gizmo comes to your head when it comes to dispatching/capturing those glow-stick wielders? It doesn't have to be a resource intensive super weapon either but those are also welcome! It could be better tactics for normal troopers on the battlefield to utilize to gear they already have, unorthodox usage of the environment around them to use to their advantage or using improvised weapons that have a greater effect on jedi rather than conventional laser-arms or maybe a gizmo/weapon that's more economical but still an improvement to those troopers that have them.

I posted this thinking throwing a wrench in the works for my Jedi players would shift them out of the limelight and have the soldiers/hotshots of the group use their tactics and superior laser-weaponry to win the day instead of "Hokey religions and ancient weapons". Not to say hamstringing the Jedi players is good, I'm doing this because I had a more sith-centric warehouse raid already play out in the earlier sessions where the soldiers/hotshots played more of a support/sideline role in combat.

I've attached the image of the Cyber-DooHickey I mentioned.

What I'm thinking would equal the odds against those robe-wearing spinning tops!

Thinking about it more I thought that reflex could be a natural jedi killer if the empire ever implemented it; seeing as it's targeting all the main centers of movement for a jedi all at the same time, even one hit could take a jedi out of fighting-shape since agility is one of their main defenses against blaster bolts.

I didn't forget about deflecting either, As I see it jedi's deflecting blaster bolts is the same as a kid hopped up on his mother's bath salts whacking away wiffle-balls his buddies are tossing at him and thinking he's "Fucking Invincible!!!" with the flimsy wiffle-bat he thinks is his own personal hand of god.

It's not about if the jedi can hear/see it coming and hit it; it's about what he's expecting and what he'll get. So I'm thinking instead of having more kids toss wiffle balls at him and end up with more kiddoes getting knocked out with wiffle-balls at the end of the day how about I find the son of the professional pitcher of the cul-de-sac and 1 or two of his buddies and give them 5 proper bean-bags to pelt at the munchkin/brat/half-pint at a time while he's distracted hitting all the wiffle balls. He won't see/hear it coming or be prepared for the force of the bean-bags, even if he's dealt with them before he'll have have to keep dodging up until he retreats out of the area. Either way a win for the tupperware wiffle-ball kids!

So I'm thinking the empire send a small team of specialists with Slugthrowers with cortosis-coated buckshot with the biggest pellets reasonably possible (regular firearms as opposed to laser weapons since they hit with more force and are harder to see, and cortosis coating adding to that force) in with a regular array of troopers that're expected to come up against jedi. The cortosis balls could be heavily padded or rubberized too, in the case of Darth Vader wanting the heroes taken back to him alive like in the trilogy.

But then again sourcing the specialist operatives, manufacturing the specialist ammunition, and developing the high-tech reflex sight would be expensive material-wise, manpower-wise, and research-wise so this'd be in an extraordinary situation or commissioned by a higher command or something. Maybe I'll make a fan-comic about it, seems like a neat plot.

I've attached an illustration of the Wiffle-Maniac just in case he comes to your neighborhood, So you'll know what to expect.

Edit: Replaced "High" with "Hopped up" in the wiffle ball scenario, For added dramatic effect.

Jedi can be easily defeated with shotguns or flamethrowers.

Jedi are just a myth. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion does you no credit! *akh*

Force adjacent abilities exploited.

1. Jedi Assassins, comprised of regular people who can detect the force but not use it. The feeling gets stronger based on proximity.

2. Force dampeners, can quiet down the force or block it. Again cannot use the force.

3. Force amplifiers, the opposite from the above. Could be used to augment allied Jedi's or to overload enemy ones.


Technology

1. Instead of blasters, literal lasers that stay on as the button is pushed.

2. Synchronized Blasters. Only fire when five or more triggers from nearby blasters are pushed and held at the same time. Uses radio frequency. This is similar to what hedge was saying about shotguns. The idea would be five+ shots coming at the same time from different angles.

By no means am I a Star Wars guru. Some of this likely has been done way better in the past. Have only ever seen the movies and played a few of the video games over the years.

Quote from: hedgehobbit on May 08, 2023, 12:01:30 PM
Jedi can be easily defeated with shotguns or flamethrowers.

Amateur jedi 100%, as they're more likely to charge a corner not expecting it or staying in close combat while those effective weapons are still in play, not retreating for a better striking position or surprise maneuver.

For skilled jedi with combat experience or heightened senses supplied to them by the force or training I'd assume they'd either expect it coming since they're more aware of their weaknesses/limits of their fighting style and the oppositions tools/tactics of dealing with it and either avoid that fight/wait for a more opportune moment using stealth or reinforcements/Or taunt the enemy into a precarious position; Or use specialized tactics like using a force push to direct the blast or plume back the moment the clicking of the trigger is heard (force senses) or moving erratically causing panic and moving progressively closer to  the enemy backline encouraging panic-induced friendly-fire.

I was thinking the cortosis-slugthrower-scattergun would make those counter-tactics much more difficult because of the tracking optic causing a missed deflect to cause major movement impairment, The heavier payload punishing an improper deflect more harshly, and the specialist troops using better spacing/positioning/shot-placement/trigger discipline than regular troopers and causing the jedi to flee instead of fight, conserving trooper manpower and potentially driving away the jedi from a place of importance. It's still difficult by all means, But the purpose was to ease the difficulty a bit against competent counter-tactics.

Edit: added "Tactics" to skilled jedi sentence.

Quote from: S'mon on May 08, 2023, 12:27:23 PM
Jedi are just a myth. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion does you no credit! *akh*

The republic has seeded the fear of jedi into my mind to cause doubt and unwillingness to take action! Of course, on what world can green spacemen less than half the size of a man go against the might of stormtroopers! wielding light-sticks no less! Rebel stories to be sure...

Quote from: FingerRod on May 08, 2023, 12:30:10 PM
Force adjacent abilities exploited.

1. Jedi Assassins, comprised of regular people who can detect the force but not use it. The feeling gets stronger based on proximity.

2. Force dampeners, can quiet down the force or block it. Again cannot use the force.

3. Force amplifiers, the opposite from the above. Could be used to augment allied Jedi's or to overload enemy ones.


Technology

1. Instead of blasters, literal lasers that stay on as the button is pushed.

2. Synchronized Blasters. Only fire when five or more triggers from nearby blasters are pushed and held at the same time. Uses radio frequency. This is similar to what hedge was saying about shotguns. The idea would be five+ shots coming at the same time from different angles.

By no means am I a Star Wars guru. Some of this likely has been done way better in the past. Have only ever seen the movies and played a few of the video games over the years.

All of those points are leagues less production intensive than what I thought and are way easier to pop into a researcher's/field-commander's head and can be used to great effect by conventional troopers/amateur-jedi without much increase in resources needed, Good stuff!

Unsophisticated ideas from an unsophisticated mind.

Please let us know what you end up doing and how your players react.

Quote from: FingerRod on May 08, 2023, 12:46:03 PM
Unsophisticated ideas from an unsophisticated mind.

Please let us know what you end up doing and how your players react.

Definitely! If I remember soon enough, I've still got threads I haven't replied to in a week...

Quote from: GiantToenail on May 08, 2023, 11:57:01 AM
I was thinking about one of the better COD's (Infinite Warfare) and remembered it had the coolest doo-hickey you could slap on a cyber-shotgun, A reflex sight that would analyze an enemy and alter the trajectory of each pellet that it would every major joint/body-area resulting in a one-shot; Kicker was it was slow compared to the speed of combat, But is was still a slick sci-fi concept!

I clicked on this ready to see a shotgun post and get mad, and boy was I not disappointed!

Lets be clear:  Jedi can stop every pellet of a shotgun with their minds.
No, we've never seen this.  Yes, there's old Classic Canon content from the EU where "scatterguns" are used to prevent Jedi from doing this.  None of that matters.  The reason Jedi can stop blasters with their lightsabers is not because of plasma or whatever.  There's a bunch of plasma bolts flying around?  Jedi have an answer to that.  If everyone started using shotguns, Jedi would have an answer to that too.  The Jedi aren't some one trick pony, they can see the future and do magical things by being allies with the core life force of the universe.  There's no combination of technology and force that they wouldn't use should that be what they need, and the fact that no one has made shotguns or similar types of things, despite actually being Jedi hunters, should show that.

To answer your question, the way you stop Jedi is with overwhelming firepower, betrayal, subversion, and lies.  This is what the dark side uses in the story.

I'm actually kind of mad about this!  Man it feels great to be mad about something silly for a change.

I agree about the shotgun thing. No reason to think they can't stop a grouping of relatively slow moving projectiles. Flamethrowers seem a better bet, since that requires them to use energy absorption not kinetic deflection. Ideally both at the same time to 'force' (geddit) them to use two different powers at once.

Quote from: Venka on May 08, 2023, 12:59:35 PM

Quote from: GiantToenail on May 08, 2023, 11:57:01 AM
I was thinking about one of the better COD's (Infinite Warfare) and remembered it had the coolest doo-hickey you could slap on a cyber-shotgun, A reflex sight that would analyze an enemy and alter the trajectory of each pellet that it would every major joint/body-area resulting in a one-shot; Kicker was it was slow compared to the speed of combat, But is was still a slick sci-fi concept!

I clicked on this ready to see a shotgun post and get mad, and boy was I not disappointed!

Lets be clear:  Jedi can stop every pellet of a shotgun with their minds.
No, we've never seen this.  Yes, there's old Classic Canon content from the EU where "scatterguns" are used to prevent Jedi from doing this.  None of that matters.  The reason Jedi can stop blasters with their lightsabers is not because of plasma or whatever.  There's a bunch of plasma bolts flying around?  Jedi have an answer to that.  If everyone started using shotguns, Jedi would have an answer to that too.  The Jedi aren't some one trick pony, they can see the future and do magical things by being allies with the core life force of the universe.  There's no combination of technology and force that they wouldn't use should that be what they need, and the fact that no one has made shotguns or similar types of things, despite actually being Jedi hunters, should show that.

To answer your question, the way you stop Jedi is with overwhelming firepower, betrayal, subversion, and lies.  This is what the dark side uses in the story.

I'm actually kind of mad about this!  Man it feels great to be mad about something silly for a change.

I've never heard of a jedi's mind itself stopping slugs/lasers besides using the force to push 'em away or halt their momentum and making 'em drop to the floor, That's a cool bit of lore!

Using strategies that don't involve troop tactics/war/R&D is cool! To beat a pigeon-hole, think outside the box or just different to your opposition! generalized Wisdom/Charisma over specialized Intelligence!

Of course, arguing about silly things and making a fuss over nothing important for entertainment is fun!; The spirit of gathering good buddies for a round TTRPG's I think, and the more of the spirit of this website a decade ago. Also it detracts from disappointing things happening in the world, but I think escapism in the face of adversity is a detriment, Then again I shouldn't scorn myself for having fun!

Edit: Also, Honesty on the internet is dangerous! Beware kiddoes! Do as I say not as I doinpvaiepoiwgj[dijgaio[jegw

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Quote from: S'mon on May 08, 2023, 01:06:20 PM
I agree about the shotgun thing. No reason to think they can't stop a grouping of relatively slow moving projectiles. Flamethrowers seem a better bet, since that requires them to use energy absorption not kinetic deflection. Ideally both at the same time to 'force' (geddit) them to use two different powers at once.

High-velocity and heavy payload don't go hand-in-hand without equally heavy effort, fair shake

Flamethrower attachment, Bingo! Burn them and burn out their space-magic too!

In a less logistically sound idea, make the traditionalists mad/make R&D go broke and develop lightsaber bayonets!
hahaha

Quote from: Klava on May 08, 2023, 01:10:21 PM
a professional opinion for you:

KOTOR is cool, KOTOR writing is cool, and this lore-post is cool! Kudos!