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Sandbox vs. Structured

Started by Llew ap Hywel, June 10, 2017, 11:59:12 AM

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Bedrockbrendan

#150
June 17, 2017, 04:25:30 PM
Quote from: Dumarest;969278The entire Democratic and Republican parties, to name two examples. Or 99.9% of people on the Internet. :D

No politics in the main forum guys.

crkrueger

#151
June 17, 2017, 04:32:39 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;969389No politics in the main forum guys.

I'm gonna start a pool, see which dumbfuck catches the first ban on this.
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AsenRG

#152
June 17, 2017, 05:19:10 PM
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;969389No politics in the main forum guys.

Is it politics to bash both main parties of a country, or is it a sign of being disgusted with politics?
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Nexus

#153
June 17, 2017, 06:26:45 PM Last Edit: June 18, 2017, 01:01:32 AM by Nexus
Quote from: BedrockBrendan;969389No politics in the main forum guys.

Noted. Sorry for bringing it up.

Quote from: Dumarest;969337Sometimes I think it's a direct result of anonymous communication via the internet. People are dehumanized when you don't actually have to see or hear them and it makes it much easier to leap to vitriolic extremes you'd be unlikely to say in a tête-a-tête across a table.

Edit: ...and then add people who are already kooky into the mix...

Its an anonymous clumsy medium of communication. There's no non verbal or much other context at all. That's mostly supplied by the reader who can be charitable or not as they want. Plus its immediate and as you noted anonymous. You're dealing with words on a screen and also safe from repercussions (or at least feels that way). Then there's feeling like you're arguing in public and no wanting to figuratively lose face or look like a 'coward' by backing down, admitting you're wrong or even compromising or agreeing to disagree. I've gotten into allot of arguments that were pretty pointless myself. And I've misread things in the past.
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Gronan of Simmerya

#154
June 18, 2017, 12:54:16 AM
Quote from: ffilz;969045Sure, but I've had players be really resistant to my saying no to their long back story... Or I've been put in a trap, I had an idea that I wanted to reveal in play, but you just wrote your back story to contradict my idea, so I either spoil the mystery, or I will invalidate your back story as the mystery is exposed.

Referee creates the world.  Referee's word is law.

Period.  Peri fucking od.

That's why I say "25 words or less".  Write what you want, but all that's "real" is those 25 words or less.  Because I really don't care what the name of your great grandmother's cousin's baby duck was, and I bet none of the other players do either.
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

The rules can\'t cure stupid, and the rules can\'t cure asshole.

AsenRG

#155
June 18, 2017, 01:56:54 AM
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;969519Referee creates the world.  Referee's word is law.

Period.  Peri fucking od.

That's why I say "25 words or less".  Write what you want, but all that's "real" is those 25 words or less.  Because I really don't care what the name of your great grandmother's cousin's baby duck was, and I bet none of the other players do either.

And that's an important part that is often overlooked.
Write whatever helps you. Then, if the Referee isn't interested, just present the Referee with the bulletpoints version!
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Voros

#156
June 18, 2017, 01:58:55 AM
Good point. It's not like a director has to know all the background an actor has worked out in their head for a part.

Justin Alexander

#157
June 18, 2017, 03:41:53 AM Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 03:01:20 AM by Justin Alexander
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AsenRG

#158
June 18, 2017, 03:47:48 AM
Quote from: Voros;969524Good point. It's not like a director has to know all the background an actor has worked out in their head for a part.
Exactly;).

Quote from: Justin Alexander;969537He was given a ring of infinite wishes, that he still possesses today and which can never be taken from him; yo, fuck your rule.

(Had second thoughts about this. Then realized I'd nailed exactly 25 words on my first try, so fuck it. I'm posting it.)

Great job! How do you feel about the fact that every time you wish for anything someone close to you, or at least associated with you, is bound to die in a most unpleasant manner:D?
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ffilz

#159
June 19, 2017, 12:24:35 AM
Quote from: ffilzSure, but I've had players be really resistant to my saying no to their long back story... Or I've been put in a trap, I had an idea that I wanted to reveal in play, but you just wrote your back story to contradict my idea, so I either spoil the mystery, or I will invalidate your back story as the mystery is exposed.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;969519Referee creates the world.  Referee's word is law.

Period.  Peri fucking od.

That's why I say "25 words or less".  Write what you want, but all that's "real" is those 25 words or less.  Because I really don't care what the name of your great grandmother's cousin's baby duck was, and I bet none of the other players do either.
Sure, GM gets ultimate veto in any game I would run, but depending on the game, the players may have more latitude to create background in the world (and I note that in ANY RPG players do get to create setting detail, even if it's absolutely just the name of their character). It's also worth noting that the games these issues occurred in for me were NOT old school D&D, and it was in an era where I had a different attitude that I do now. Now, I would give players latitude to come up with stuff, but I will also put forth to keep my vision, and yea, if ultimately something a player comes up with doesn't work for me, I can say NO.

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Justin Alexander

#160
June 19, 2017, 12:47:31 AM Last Edit: June 23, 2018, 03:00:00 AM by Justin Alexander
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I am deleting my content.

I recommend you do the same.
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AsenRG

#161
June 19, 2017, 08:06:07 AM
Quote from: Justin Alexander;969744I invoke the "yo, fuck your rule" clause of my character background.

Then I'd invoke the "fuck off and find another game" GM tool;).
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Baulderstone

#162
June 19, 2017, 09:57:59 AM
Quote from: AsenRG;969538Great job! How do you feel about the fact that every time you wish for anything someone close to you, or at least associated with you, is bound to die in a most unpleasant manner:D?

I believe in the strategy of keeping my friends close and my enemies closer, so that works for me.

Gronan of Simmerya

#163
June 19, 2017, 01:17:58 PM
Quote from: Justin Alexander;969537He was given a ring of infinite wishes, that he still possesses today and which can never be taken from him; yo, fuck your rule.

(Had second thoughts about this. Then realized I'd nailed exactly 25 words on my first try, so fuck it. I'm posting it.)

I have read The Monkey's Paw.  Fuck your ring of infinite wishes.

12 words.

Or, less assholish, "No, you do not start my campaign in possession of a ring of infinite wishes,  Please try to be more reasonable."
You should go to GaryCon.  Period.

The rules can\'t cure stupid, and the rules can\'t cure asshole.

darthfozzywig

#164
June 19, 2017, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: Justin Alexander;969537He was given a ring of infinite wishes, that he still possesses today and which can never be taken from him; yo, fuck your rule.

(Had second thoughts about this. Then realized I'd nailed exactly 25 words on my first try, so fuck it. I'm posting it.)

Quote from: AsenRG;969538Great job! How do you feel about the fact that every time you wish for anything someone close to you, or at least associated with you, is bound to die in a most unpleasant manner:D?

Quote from: Justin Alexander;969744I invoke the "yo, fuck your rule" clause of my character background.

Quote from: AsenRG;969819Then I'd invoke the "fuck off and find another game" GM tool;).



Jeebus, people, do you guys actually behave that way around the table?

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