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Next Playtest / 5e compatibility

Started by Godfather Punk, August 16, 2014, 03:39:01 AM

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Godfather Punk

August 16, 2014, 03:39:01 AM
Are there significant differences between the rules in the PHB and MM and the stat blocks that were given for modules during the playtest (like Murder in Baldurs Gate)?
For ex. in the Death in Thay module there's a disclaimer:
QuotePlaytest Warning
Dead in Thay uses material from the D&D Next playtest, which  ended  in  December 2013.  This  adventure includes all the statistics needed to play the adventure, but be warned: These monsters are not finalized, and have undergone limited development. As a result, monsters may vary wildly in difficulty, so consider the number of monsters presented in the adventure to be guidelines. Dead in Thay is a deadly adventure, but players should still have a chance at victory. Adjust difficulty based on the capabilities of your group.
Can I use modules like 'Murder' or 'Legacy' with the pdf stat blocks without inconsistencies or surprises? Or will there be an updated pdf with the definitive rules?

jadrax

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August 16, 2014, 04:36:15 AM
Depends what you mean by significant tbh.

Looking at the Air Elemental.

A next Air Elemental has AC 13, 45 Hit Points, +5 to hit, 11 Average Damage.
A 5e Air Elemental has AC 15, 90 Hit Points, +8 to hit, 18 Average Damage.

As you can see, the 5e one is quite a bit better. That said, from my play experience Next monsters were pretty much a walk over.

Godfather Punk

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August 16, 2014, 05:01:25 AM
Thanks!
I hope to get my hands on the PHB and MM next weekend, so I can compare myself.

(45 hp vs. 90hp does look significant to me :))

Exploderwizard

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August 16, 2014, 07:00:55 AM
Quote from: Godfather Punk;780157Thanks!
I hope to get my hands on the PHB and MM next weekend, so I can compare myself.

(45 hp vs. 90hp does look significant to me :))

So where are you getting that MM?  Did you convince an all access passholder to give you theirs from Gencon?
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Saplatt

#4
August 16, 2014, 10:55:45 AM
The MM won't be out for awhile for most of us.

Best source for 5e monsters for the rest of us is the free download of the DM basic rules here.  

The vast majority of monsters have increased hit dice and points compared to the playtests.

Godfather Punk

#5
August 16, 2014, 03:44:39 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;780165So where are you getting that MM?  Did you convince an all access passholder to give you theirs from Gencon?
Huh? I was sure the release date was the same as the PHB :confused:.
Oh well, next month then :o

Saplatt

#6
August 16, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
FWIW, another example of how creatures have been beefed up since Dead in Thay.

DiT Basilisk: AC 10, 28 hit points, Bite attack: +4 to hit, 2d6+1 piercing damage.

Basic Rules Updated Basilisk: AC 15, 52 hit points, Bite Attack: +5 to hit, 2d6 +3 piercing damage plus 2d6 poison damage.  (And the save for the gaze attack is DC12 instead of DC 11).

Much more dangerous.

snooggums

#7
August 17, 2014, 01:10:16 PM
Looks like most of them have been 'scaled up' a few hit dice, so either the playtest creatures could simply be given a lower challenge rating or could be scaled up.
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