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Ryan Dancey on "saving the hobby"

Started by RPGPundit, August 14, 2007, 02:03:07 PM

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Erik Boielle

#120
August 15, 2007, 09:17:26 PM
Quote from: StuartWow... I'm not sure how Ryan thinks shared GMing/narrative control and simultaneously massively multiplayer offline gaming go hand-in-hand...

I guess the dude just likes living campaigns.

Weirdo.




Hes thinking about how to make money out of the thing though, and selling services is one way to do that.
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John Morrow

#121
August 16, 2007, 12:05:23 AM
Quote from: StuartThe greater a player's control over the game world (shared GMing) the less mystery, puzzles, secrets, suspense and problem solving challenges that world has for them.

I think that some wonderful insight into a story game mindset can be found here on Story-Games:

http://www.story-games.com/forums/comments.php?DiscussionID=3927&page=1#Item_0

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Spike

#122
August 16, 2007, 12:23:03 AM
Quote from: TimI go-you go, roll a d20, roll some damage is the source of a lot of migration from D&D to other systems, Spike. Do you have a point here?

This is a total blind alley, anyway. I have not once argued that Fight! is going to be inserted into some mainstream system and 'save' gaming. I haven't even argued that my favorite game is going to 'save' gaming.

Tim


You are the very... and I do mean VERY... first person to suggest that rolling a d20 in alternating sequences was the reason anyone ever stopped playing D&D for other systems.

Me? I changed over because of levels and classes.  I switched back because I like playing more than I like being a 'levels and classes suck snob'.

If anything in the combat system turns people off its the ever growing ablative damage pools.  But really, you don't need to 'script combat' to undo that. Runequest, for example...
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Balbinus

#123
August 16, 2007, 04:44:33 PM
For the record, I'm interested in Tim's comments and I don't see him talking about BW as any different to me talking about Traveller.

And he is on topic and he didn't agree with Dancy, let's not bait anyone who expresses the slightest interest in any indie games, m'kay?

Settembrini

#124
August 16, 2007, 06:08:59 PM
Yeah, if he wants to defend RD´s assertions with his inside knowledge of BW, that´s cool.
But being defensive of BW and weaseling about the thread-important RD-implication is pointless and smacks of viral marketeering.
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Pseudoephedrine

#125
August 16, 2007, 06:26:40 PM
Quote from: BalbinusFor the record, I'm interested in Tim's comments and I don't see him talking about BW as any different to me talking about Traveller.

And he is on topic and he didn't agree with Dancy, let's not bait anyone who expresses the slightest interest in any indie games, m'kay?

Indeed. I like Burning Empires and it's hard to accuse me of secretly being a Forger.
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Settembrini

#126
August 16, 2007, 06:27:48 PM
Oh, come on guys?
That´s not the point.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Pseudoephedrine

#127
August 16, 2007, 06:36:24 PM
Dude, there are more productive ways to spend your time than hunting for heretics and marranos. Tim's not really acting like a viral marketer. He probably just genuinely believes that BW is a good game. Because I am secretly a broken record in disguise: You're going to get further by converting him than by yelling at him. Heck, the fact that he's trying to show how parts of BW match up with trad gaming styles and trad games is a good sign.
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The Pernicious Light, or The Wreckers of Sword Island;
A Goblin\'s Progress, or Of Cannons and Canons;
An Oration on the Dignity of Tash, or On the Elves and Their Lies
All for S&W Complete
Playing: Dark Heresy, WFRP 2e

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Balbinus

#128
August 16, 2007, 06:53:04 PM
Quote from: SettembriniYeah, if he wants to defend RD´s assertions with his inside knowledge of BW, that´s cool.
But being defensive of BW and weaseling about the thread-important RD-implication is pointless and smacks of viral marketeering.

Sure, but he expressly said he didn't agree with RD, I struggle to see that as defending RD's assertions.

Besides, I think BW is a good game, but too complex for me, does that make me a viral marketer?

Sometimes it is viral marketing, sometimes it's just enthusiasm, this is enthusiasm.

Anyway, this is also all old news, 4e is coming and that will be the future of the industry whether we like 4e when it's released or don't.

Settembrini

#129
August 16, 2007, 06:56:26 PM
Quote from: BalbinusSure, but he expressly said he didn't agree with RD, I struggle to see that as defending RD's assertions.

This is my point. My fucking point. Being defensive without defending is just:

*(ju9=8
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Balbinus

#130
August 16, 2007, 07:04:49 PM
Quote from: SettembriniThis is my point. My fucking point. Being defensive without defending is just:

*(ju9=8

4e Set, game over, the future just happened and Dancy's views and storygaming's takeover are all yesterday's news.

Settembrini

#131
August 16, 2007, 07:13:48 PM
Maybe there are connections that we aren´t seeing.
If there can\'t be a TPK against the will of the players it\'s not an RPG.- Pierce Inverarity

Balbinus

#132
August 16, 2007, 07:15:29 PM
Quote from: SettembriniMaybe there are connections that we aren´t seeing.

I think that's entirely possible, but whatever they may be I doubt 4e will be meeting Dancy's vision, I would guess if anything his vision is in reaction to it.

Settembrini

#133
August 16, 2007, 07:18:33 PM
The theory he desperately tries to remain relevant and in the discussion seems pretty reasonable.

He now officially doesn´t know shit about current D&D anymore.
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