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Runequest Quickstart Rules Released

Started by Voros, July 04, 2017, 02:40:01 AM

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Baulderstone

#30
July 04, 2017, 07:10:42 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;973125Starts around post 64 here.

Damn. That one of my regular haunts until the Chaosium takeover. There wasn't any particular issue for me. but the place didn't feel the same. I feel better about ditching the place now.

crkrueger

#31
July 04, 2017, 07:14:02 PM
Quote from: Baulderstone;973127Damn. That one of my regular haunts until the Chaosium takeover. There wasn't any particular issue for me. but the place didn't feel the same. I feel better about ditching the place now.

"Losing" all record of my actual orders, with the inability to re-download is going a step beyond, even if you want to act bitchy, and probably actionable if I gave a shit enough to spend money on it, but I don't since I have multiple electronic copies anyway.
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Raleel

#32
July 04, 2017, 07:21:33 PM
Do they send you receipts via email?

markmohrfield

#33
July 04, 2017, 07:26:12 PM
Quote from: TrippyHippy;973116This just reinforces the point though. They have included the opposed rules, taken from RQ6 in an uncredited way,

Opposed resolution rolls where first introduced to BRP in the Elric! rpg, which predates RQ6 by quit a bit.

QuoteCouple this with the announcement that they will be using it as the generic core of a series of non-Gloranthan material anyway, when they had previous made such a big deal of RQ being for Glorantha only

I think the idea was that the core rulebook should include the rules specific to a setting rather than a generic rule book with supplements adapting it to the setting, not that RQ was only for Glorantha.

crkrueger

#34
July 04, 2017, 07:47:31 PM
Quote from: Raleel;973131Do they send you receipts via email?

Oh yeah, I got the receipt.  Just no record of any of my orders on their website.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

markmohrfield

#35
July 04, 2017, 08:06:31 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;973137Oh yeah, I got the receipt.  Just no record of any of my orders on their website.

Were these orders placed on the old Moon Design website? They are still in the process of transferring those. If you do need a replacement pdf, contact them directly.

TrippyHippy

#36
July 05, 2017, 01:18:33 AM
Quote from: markmohrfield;973134Opposed resolution rolls where first introduced to BRP in the Elric! rpg, which predates RQ6 by quit a bit.
I've got Elric! actually, and they don't have opposed rolls in there as a point of fact (cite the page if they do). Moreover, Pendragon introduced opposed rolls in 1986, and they've been used in other games before. It's besides the point. This being that it was argued that the game system for RuneQuest 6 was too complex for what Chaosium designers wanted, and yet they've ended up using exactly the same method of resolution....plus the Resistance Table, which is what the opposed rules had been used to replace.

QuoteI think the idea was that the core rulebook should include the rules specific to a setting rather than a generic rule book with supplements adapting it to the setting, not that RQ was only for Glorantha.
Quote from: Jeff Richard in Designing The New RuneQuest Part 9Internally, we don't call this RuneQuest 7 because we find that misleading. Mongoose RuneQuest 1, MRQ2, and The Design Mechanism's RQ6 share a common design thread from MRQ1, but the new RQ is simply not from that line of development. Instead, it stems from RQ2 (with elements of RQ3) and then moves on, but does not build off the MRQ line. Our internally referring to the project as RQ4 makes that point (I suppose it could also be seen as RQ 2.5). But referring to it RQ7 is, in our opinion, inaccurate and ultimately misleading about the edition's actual antecedents.

We're also disinclined to call the new rules RuneQuest: Glorantha, since for us RuneQuest=Glorantha.
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Voros

#37
July 05, 2017, 02:12:36 AM
Quote from: Itachi;973013Thanks. I had forgotten about it, downloading now.

BTW, have you heard about Six Ages? It's the sequel to the King of Dragon Pass PC game that's coming later this year.

Awesome news, Dragon Pass is a great game even if my people kept starving to death because I suck at resource management.

markmohrfield

#38
July 05, 2017, 03:50:29 PM
Quote from: TrippyHippy;973212I've got Elric! actually, and they don't have opposed rolls in there as a point of fact (cite the page if they do). Moreover, Pendragon introduced opposed rolls in 1986, and they've been used in other games before. It's besides the point.

I was responding to your charge that they had taken the opposed resolution rules from RQ6 in an "uncredited way." As for Elric!, I don't currently own the rules but I am certain that they used opposed resolution. IIRC there was a page of spot rules somewhere in the book; they should be there.

TrippyHippy

#39
July 05, 2017, 04:03:29 PM Last Edit: July 05, 2017, 04:06:35 PM by TrippyHippy
Quote from: markmohrfield;973339I was responding to your charge that they had taken the opposed resolution rules from RQ6 in an "uncredited way." As for Elric!, I don't currently own the rules but I am certain that they used opposed resolution. IIRC there was a page of spot rules somewhere in the book; they should be there.

They are absolutely taken from RQ6 in an uncredited way. There are different ways you can do opposed rules, and RQ:G happens to take the same method as those used in RQ6. These rules are not present in Elric! (including in the spot rules - you have made a mistake here) and nor are they in RQ2 and RQ3 (which are supposed be the cited sources). The Mongoose RQ games sought to introduce opposed rolls to remove the need for a Resistance table, in the same manner that had been done in Pendragon (and was a later, clumsily delivered design goal of Call of Cthulhu 7E). RQ:G has sheepishly included this development, whilst returning the Resistance table.
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markmohrfield

#40
July 05, 2017, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: TrippyHippy;973343These rules are not present in Elric! (including in the spot rules - you have made a mistake here)

I remain convinced that they are present in Elric! (I acknowledge they are not in RQ2 or 3). I believe the FLGS has a copy and I'll check the next time I'm there.

Shawn Driscoll

#41
July 05, 2017, 04:34:09 PM
Quote from: Voros;972957Gonna give them a look over, any initial thoughts?

What would make someone, who is just getting into the RPG hobby, choose to buy RuneQuest over any other RPG?

Loz

#42
July 05, 2017, 04:55:20 PM
QuoteI remain convinced that they are present in Elric! (I acknowledge they are not in RQ2 or 3). I believe the FLGS has a copy and I'll check the next time I'm there.

I've just checked my copy of Elric!. Opposed rolls aren't used. The resistance table is, for resolving tests between characteristics; and in combat, the level of success of the attacker and defender is compared on a simple matrix to determine the outcome. But in terms of 'roll under but high' that RQ6/Mythras uses for some rolls (as well as quite a few other game systems, I might add), opposed rolls are not present in Elric!.
The Design Mechanism: Publishers of Mythras
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Madprofessor

#43
July 05, 2017, 05:03:52 PM
hmmm... not really interested.  It just seems redundant. For me, Mythras is kind of the final word in RQ, as the gold book is for BRP. I just don't see much need for "improvement."  I am also not a Glorantha fan.  If they made some really strong adventures, a bestiary, or a dedicated magic book I might bite.

TrippyHippy

#44
July 05, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
Quote from: markmohrfield;973347I remain convinced that they are present in Elric! (I acknowledge they are not in RQ2 or 3). I believe the FLGS has a copy and I'll check the next time I'm there.

You may be confused with Elric of Melnibone, which was based upon Mongoose's RuneQuest, where they were used.
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