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Rule 0 is Key to the TTRPG Hobby

Started by RPGPundit, July 24, 2023, 11:21:35 PM

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Murphy78

#45
July 31, 2023, 04:13:16 PM
I feel that Rule 0, to most people, means at least one of this four things:

1) that the GM (or the group of players) may introduce house rules;
2) that the GM may solve cases not covered by the rules through rulings;
3) that the rules are "just guidelines, suggestions";
4) that the GM may disregard any rule and the result of dice as he sees fit.

I have no objection for points 1 and 2. Not a fan of 3 and 4.

Scooter

#46
July 31, 2023, 04:17:47 PM
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

blackstone

#47
July 31, 2023, 07:38:09 PM
Quote from: Scooter on July 31, 2023, 04:17:47 PM
Quote from: blackstone on July 31, 2023, 03:23:22 PM


Guess

Not going to play your guessing game. Please say exactly what's the deal. If not, then let's move on. Ok?
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

moonsweeper

#48
July 31, 2023, 07:58:01 PM
I'm assuming he is referring to the creator of Arduin.
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PencilBoy99

#49
July 31, 2023, 08:09:14 PM
There's an interesting discussion on RPGPub about PbTA, and a PbTA fan points out that rule 0 is explicitly NOT part of PbTA.

Scooter

#50
July 31, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: blackstone on July 31, 2023, 07:38:09 PM

Not going to play your guessing game. Please say exactly what's the deal. If not, then let's move on. Ok?

Good idea. You haven't the Int score for it.
There is no saving throw vs. stupidity

Eirikrautha

#51
August 01, 2023, 12:25:13 AM
Quote from: PencilBoy99 on July 31, 2023, 08:09:14 PM
There's an interesting discussion on RPGPub about PbTA, and a PbTA fan points out that rule 0 is explicitly NOT part of PbTA.

Well, at least people are starting to admit that storygames aren't actual RPGs, hence the fact that they preclude Rule 0...
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PencilBoy99

#52
August 01, 2023, 09:58:54 AM
The same posters state that in PBTA the GM is restricted such that he/she can't deny any suggested action by saying it will just fail.

However, having played some PBTA the GMs I played with ran it more like a traditional game, so who knows.

BadApple

#53
August 01, 2023, 10:15:18 AM
Quote from: PencilBoy99 on August 01, 2023, 09:58:54 AM
The same posters state that in PBTA the GM is restricted such that he/she can't deny any suggested action by saying it will just fail.

However, having played some PBTA the GMs I played with ran it more like a traditional game, so who knows.

That poster is either a no-games that wants to be in the discussion or someone more autistic than I am.

Seriously, those that demand you run a game RAW aren't there for the fun of playing or for the immersion.  Reddit stories about tricking the GM have done a lot of damage to the hobby.
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blackstone

#54
August 01, 2023, 11:19:01 AM
Quote from: Scooter on July 31, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: blackstone on July 31, 2023, 07:38:09 PM

Not going to play your guessing game. Please say exactly what's the deal. If not, then let's move on. Ok?

Good idea. You haven't the Int score for it.

Why are you being such a dick? What the fuck did I do to you?
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

Lunamancer

#55
August 01, 2023, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: blackstone on August 01, 2023, 11:19:01 AM
Why are you being such a dick? What the fuck did I do to you?

He's just lashing out because he's the weakest of the GoBots.
That's my two cents anyway. Carry on, crawler.

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Chris24601

#56
August 01, 2023, 02:45:14 PM
Quote from: Lunamancer on August 01, 2023, 12:31:47 PM
Quote from: blackstone on August 01, 2023, 11:19:01 AM
Why are you being such a dick? What the fuck did I do to you?

He's just lashing out because he's the weakest of the GoBots.

That's gonna leave a mark.

rkhigdon

#57
August 01, 2023, 03:47:51 PM
I just watched the latest Arbiter of Worlds video on YouTube and, as usual, Alex manages to hit a few points that I had not considered before.

https://youtu.be/3bIDVPbSGrk

RPGPundit

#58
August 03, 2023, 11:03:43 PM
Quote from: PencilBoy99 on July 31, 2023, 08:09:14 PM
There's an interesting discussion on RPGPub about PbTA, and a PbTA fan points out that rule 0 is explicitly NOT part of PbTA.

pubtah is not an RPG.
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Murphy78

#59
August 25, 2023, 06:08:49 AM
Quote from: Murphy78 on July 31, 2023, 04:13:16 PM
I feel that Rule 0, to most people, means at least one of this four things:

1) that the GM (or the group of players) may introduce house rules;
2) that the GM may solve cases not covered by the rules through rulings;
3) that the rules are "just guidelines, suggestions";
4) that the GM may disregard any rule and the result of dice as he sees fit.

I have no objection for points 1 and 2. Not a fan of 3 and 4.
Also, I feel like if we mean one of this four thing, we could stop calling it rule 0 and talking directly  about the above features. For example, Becmi has the first two, but not the last two. 3.X probably all four, so saying "D&D has rule 0" is confusing, which edition and what Rule 0 actually means.
Many time is a broken phone game, arguing about rule 0 and then learning that we mean different thing.
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