Quote from: Ratman_tf on September 02, 2021, 03:21:44 PMConsidering Con Crud is a common side effect from going to a Con, I don't blame anyone who wants to skip a big event during a Pandemic.

My theory is that con crud is caused by a disruption in routine mixed with a lack of fluids and sleep. I've gotten sick on vacations where it was just me and my family, none of whom were sick. Every time I've been to a con, I don't think I managed to get more than 3 hours of sleep at night. I could've survived it in my twenties, but not these days.

Quote from: Godsmonkey on September 02, 2021, 03:22:55 PMAnd FTR, I'd like to have a non-woke Con come down here, and gain traction.

Orlando has MegaCon. I don't know how woke it is, but when I went a few years ago, I don't remember anything that was too off putting - other than the many girls failing spectacularly to pull off the same skintight Spider-Gwen leotard. Let me tell you. You can paint on all the abs you want, but you ain't fooling anybody.

Quote from: Squidi on September 02, 2021, 04:00:56 PMMy theory is that con crud is caused by a disruption in routine mixed with a lack of fluids and sleep. I've gotten sick on vacations where it was just me and my family, none of whom were sick. Every time I've been to a con, I don't think I managed to get more than 3 hours of sleep at night. I could've survived it in my twenties, but not these days.

Even if I were inclined to go to a con, this is what puts me off to the big ones.  I could go on a trip by myself, book a room that had been sterilized by experts, bring pre-packaged food, and still manage to get the sniffles merely from the changes in allergens and air pressure.  If I went to something like GenGon, it would take me 2 weeks to recover.  It's why I've never been to Dragon Con even though it is only about a 4 hour drive.  (Well, that and Atlanta ain't my favorite place.) 

I'd love a small con in St. Augustine, Florida.  The sea air does wonders for "travel crud".

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on September 02, 2021, 04:07:26 PM
I'd love a small con in St. Augustine, Florida.

I went to GenCon South in St. Augustine back in 1984 iirc.  It was pretty small by today's standards. 

I might have gone to GenCon or Origins this year, but not with all this hysteria going on.  I'm not really scared of covid, but having to wear a mask for 3 or 4 days straight is not my idea of fun. 

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 02, 2021, 02:29:20 AM
I wonder who else is going to sit GenCon 2021 out and what effect it will have on GenCon itself?

Who still goes to democrat conventions?

Well when it's your only nearby option...

My nearest con was cancelled this year though. It went online, but, well, no thanks.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on September 03, 2021, 09:06:05 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 02, 2021, 02:29:20 AM
I wonder who else is going to sit GenCon 2021 out and what effect it will have on GenCon itself?

Who still goes to democrat conventions?

People that don't view the world in black & white (or, in this case blue & red). Not everyone is a political zealot.

Quote from: HappyDaze on September 03, 2021, 09:47:37 PM
People that don't view the world in black & white (or, in this case blue & red). Not everyone is a political zealot.

You make it sound like people have a choice. The people who used to go to GenCon, but now don't, didn't stop gaming or loving games. I'll bet you anything, they'd LOVE to go to GenCon... but the GenCon from before 2013.

If you are standing under the (ever shrinking) blue umbrella, you have a choice. You are the only one who gets to have a choice. Everybody else, encompassing every other belief or opinion, gets shoved beneath the massive, but still crowded red umbrella - whether they want to or not.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on September 03, 2021, 09:06:05 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on September 02, 2021, 02:29:20 AM
I wonder who else is going to sit GenCon 2021 out and what effect it will have on GenCon itself?

Who still goes to democrat conventions?

Dude, I'm talking gaming while you are talking politics. While there is overlap, it is still an apples and oranges comparison.

After a very bad experience with GenCon I stopped caring about it. Being physically disabled and nearly trampled tends to make one reconsider attending especially when staff told me you don't have to attend. In response I did not attend again. I have no ill will for them but I have no love for them either.  I wonder if the reasons given are just a polite way of bowing out.

GenCon advocates censorship and political violence. 

I don't think it's rational or reasonable to limit your personal activities based on a series of completely-beyond-your-control potential probabilistic events that might/might-not arise out of those actions.

However, I do think the mature response for RTG is simply not to attend, rather than to say, demand unreasonable and discriminatory policies. So that's a positive.

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Quote from: Godsmonkey on September 02, 2021, 03:22:55 PM

Quote from: Squidi on September 02, 2021, 01:13:30 PM
I'm in Florida, where this sort of attitude is almost completely absent outside of power tripping middle managers and school teachers. Reading something so fearful feels like a time machine into last year (especially given their outdated advice).

There seems to be a serious overlap between the hopeless woke and those terrified their own shadows will give them COVID-19. I can't quite figure out where the overlap occurs, though you see the same rhetorical flourishes being used.

As a fellow Floridan, Welcome!

We do things differently down here for the most part. And FTR, I'd like to have a non-woke Con come down here, and gain traction.

Of course RTG wont be there since they are scared of the More contagious but less deadly form of Covid.

Orlando OSR Con would rock.

Just came from Florida a couple of weeks ago. Dropped a ton of cash into your economy over 10 days. Not only is Florida not the ICU wasteland it is made out to be, but it was packed full of people from all over the world having a lot of fun and being very kind to one another.

A convention in Orlando would be an amazing time.

And I'd bet that over half the people there didn't wear a mask.

I, for one, am still waiting for proof of Covid. Sure the news can fear monger it, produce numbers, and instill through massive propaganda that this so called virus exists but the way people have reacted you'd think our world turned into The Stand, where over 99% of the population does die.

But not only is our world not The Stand, our world population during this pandemic has grown from 7.7 Billion in 2019 to 7.9 Billion people in summer 2021.

If our population can still GROW 200,000,000 people during a 'Pandemic' then where is the pandemic?

Another stat... If you compare undertaker stats of total deaths from all causes from 2019 to 2020 then you'd see that 2020 had 20% total fewer deaths than in 2019, at least here in the U.S. These are the numbers from the people that actually work with the dead bodies after the hospitals are done with them.

The most amazing thing about Covid is how it cured us from the flu. Flu deaths, which averaged about 250k a year dropped over 90%. Death from old age, practically 0%. Dr malpractice deaths, another significant drop. But gun violence... In certain woke filled cities, spiked. But you don't see anybody arguing against that.

Just because you see something on television does not make it real or true. Remember, Television is an entertainment medium. It is classified as entertainment. So why do so many people believe what they see on the news is honest? The news does not have to tell the truth. All it has to do is Tell A Vision. Also know that everything you see on tv is a program... And what do programs do... They Program. Watch enough of it, you get programmed.

If you know how the human brain works neurologically you can control people. All it took to cause the Toilet Paper Apocalypse of 2020 was a video of two guys fighting over the 'last' package of TP with empty shelves behind them and BAM.

All it takes to convince most people today is someone in a perceived position of authority with some some letters next to his or her name and the many will believe it. Even if there is no proof.

Idk about any of you, but I haven't seen any dead bodies lining up the streets. I have never seen any report that says "This person died because of Covid." No, what they say is "This person died after being diagnosed with Covid." Those are NOT the same. Most do treat it the same though, but being diagnosed with something does not, in and of itself, cause someone to die. Even the CDC has shared the numbers that about 94% of those that died after being diagnosed with C had an average of 2.6 comorbidities. That means 94% of those death numbers had another contributing factor. So if that's true, then only 6% of them died only from Covid. Covid is nothing. The common flu is worse.

Just because they say that 'cases are on the rise' doesn't mean anything. Oh, Indiana has 400 new cases... In a population of Millions, 400 cases is way less than 1% of the state population. Yeah, let's force people to wear face filters that clogs up your breathing so you can breathe back your own carbon dioxide because the news says that only 400 people have this flu. Let's just shut down and force Millions (and millions) of people's lives... For what purpose? To be safe? Safe from what?

All it took for Hitler to convince the German people that Jews were bad was a little bit of Propaganda. It didn't take much either. Look how that turned out for the world.

Considering that our medical industry has not been able to create a vaccine for the flu, and they have been trying for decades... What makes you think these vaccines for C are good with less than a year of development? And if you ask to see the ingredients for it, guess what... You can't. They won't show them.

I wonder if this would make for a good conspiracy in an rpg. Or is the real Conspiracy the manipulation of the people by a big tech Technocracy that wants to push humanity into living a different kind of lifestyle, one Big Tech (that includes Big Pharma) is in control of. And along the way they can see just how many human rights they can strip away, all in the name of 'being safe.'

Quote from: RebelSky on September 04, 2021, 05:49:42 PM

I, for one, am still waiting for proof of Covid. Sure the news can fear monger it, produce numbers, and instill through massive propaganda that this so called virus exists but the way people have reacted you'd think our world turned into The Stand, where over 99% of the population does die.

It's a real disease, my sister is just getting over it. She got quite sick - should have vaccinated when she had the chance. It's not a very lethal disease to most people, the risks it poses certainly don't warrant the shutting down of society. It is a lot worse than a typical flu, but a lot less lethal than the 1918 flu.

Quote from: S'mon on September 06, 2021, 02:52:44 AM
It is a lot worse than a typical flu, but a lot less lethal than the 1918 flu.

Fun Fact: The Spanish Flu wasn't actually a flu. They exhumed bodies of soldiers who died and found that they had died of bacterial pneumonia. Why did they die from something so benign en masse? The two theories I've heard is overdosing on aspirin (it was a new drug at the time, and they didn't realize the effects of too much was a weakened immune system) and, more interestingly, the use of vaccines (the first recorded case in the US was at the military base they were trialing a new and untested vaccine). Maybe a combination f both. There's some other interesting facts about the 1918 flu, like they could not prove human to human transmission, even after scraping the sick's throats and rubbing in an unsick person's eyes!

I guess my point is, everything we think we know about these massive pandemics is wrong. Even stuff like HIV (see AZT drug) and swine flu (see 60 minutes expose). We are doomed to repeat history because we can't learn from misreported falsities.

Quote from: S'mon on September 06, 2021, 02:52:44 AM

Quote from: RebelSky on September 04, 2021, 05:49:42 PM

I, for one, am still waiting for proof of Covid. Sure the news can fear monger it, produce numbers, and instill through massive propaganda that this so called virus exists but the way people have reacted you'd think our world turned into The Stand, where over 99% of the population does die.

It's a real disease, my sister is just getting over it. She got quite sick - should have vaccinated when she had the chance. It's not a very lethal disease to most people, the risks it poses certainly don't warrant the shutting down of society. It is a lot worse than a typical flu, but a lot less lethal than the 1918 flu.

Everything I have seen from personal IRL experience amongst friends and what I've read from non agenda driven scientific data is that the vaccine is either a placebo at best. Or actively making the virus worse at worse. Vaccinated people are getting more sick, for longer. But the vaccine was supposed to help us goys fight the virus.