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RPGPundit Declares Victory: TheRPGsite will thus obviously remain open

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D-503

#750
November 15, 2010, 01:44:38 PM
Quote from: Cole;417436Pabst Blue Ribbon, a cheap, sickly-sweet beer.

Ah, right, I've heard of that.

I take it back, clearly he should have stuck to rpgs.  In my group we drink wine and the occasional real ale or Belgian beer.  I've no objection to US style beers, but there's enough decent ones we don't need to go down the Pabst route.
I roll to disbelieve.

Cole

#751
November 15, 2010, 02:05:44 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;417438Favored by college psudointellectuals trying to represent themselves as part of the hip proletariat. Drinking PBR is usually a good indication that the person is a pretentious wanker.

Nonetheless, I would like to once again stress its appalling flavor.
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Peregrin

#752
November 15, 2010, 02:07:02 PM
Quote from: Cole;417442Nonetheless, I would like to once again stress its appalling flavor.

But you can't stick it to the Man without drinking shitty, cheap alcohol.
"In a way, the Lands of Dream are far more brutal than the worlds of most mainstream games. All of the games set there have a bittersweetness that I find much harder to take than the ridiculous adolescent posturing of so-called \'grittily realistic\' games. So maybe one reason I like them as a setting is because they are far more like the real world: colourful, crazy, full of strange creatures and people, eternal and yet changing, deeply beautiful and sometimes profoundly bitter."

Cole

#753
November 15, 2010, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: Peregrin;417443But you can't stick it to the Man without drinking shitty, cheap alcohol.

I guess sacrifices must be made : /
ABRAXAS - A D&D Blog

"There is nothing funny about a clown in the moonlight."
--Lon Chaney

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BWA

#754
November 15, 2010, 02:12:05 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;417416Poison'd. Any number of other misery tourism games.

So you are saying - with a straight face - that people who play Poison'd and other "misery tourism" games actually would prefer to play, say, GURPS, but they deliberately choose not to? These people sit down, and think "Man, this game I'm about to play will totally not be as much fun as that GURPS Black Ops campaign, but it will make me seem edgy, so this is what I'm gonna do tonight."

You truly believe that this happens? That this is a real thing that goes on? Frequently enough that it must be denounced?

If your answer is an honest and unequivocal "yes", then I will concede that I have nothing more to say on the subject.
"In the end, my strategy worked. And the strategy was simple: Truth. Bringing the poisons out to the surface, again and again. Never once letting the fucker get away with it, never once letting one of his lies go unchallenged." -- RPGPundit

D-503

#755
November 15, 2010, 02:35:12 PM
Quote from: BWA;417446So you are saying - with a straight face - that people who play Poison'd and other "misery tourism" games actually would prefer to play, say, GURPS, but they deliberately choose not to? These people sit down, and think "Man, this game I'm about to play will totally not be as much fun as that GURPS Black Ops campaign, but it will make me seem edgy, so this is what I'm gonna do tonight."

You truly believe that this happens? That this is a real thing that goes on? Frequently enough that it must be denounced?

If your answer is an honest and unequivocal "yes", then I will concede that I have nothing more to say on the subject.

I don't think he's saying they do it consciously.

Me, I struggle with ascribing motives to myself, let alone others.  If people play Poison'd I'll take whatever reason they give me on face value.  After all, in the end what the fuck do I care unless I'm playing it with them?
I roll to disbelieve.

jeff37923

#756
November 15, 2010, 02:35:51 PM
Quote from: BWA;417446So you are saying - with a straight face - that people who play Poison'd and other "misery tourism" games actually would prefer to play, say, GURPS, but they deliberately choose not to? These people sit down, and think "Man, this game I'm about to play will totally not be as much fun as that GURPS Black Ops campaign, but it will make me seem edgy, so this is what I'm gonna do tonight."

You truly believe that this happens? That this is a real thing that goes on? Frequently enough that it must be denounced?

If your answer is an honest and unequivocal "yes", then I will concede that I have nothing more to say on the subject.

Honestly and unequivocally:

YES.

Why else play a game that will make you feel shitty and embarrassed afterwards, then post long involved Actual Play reports about how cool it was to watch a PC neck rape the cabin boy?

It isn't a question of belief, since this has happened. This is the real thing that has gone on. You are just attempting to proselytize a bankrupt gaming ideology.
"Meh."

jeff37923

#757
November 15, 2010, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: D-503;417449I don't think he's saying they do it consciously.

Actually, I am. Especially in the case of Poison'd.

Quote from: D-503;417449After all, in the end what the fuck do I care unless I'm playing it with them?

I can understand your position. However, I do care because I do not want this kind of crap to represent my hobby. I do not want something specifically designed to create an objectionable miserable experience to be touted as what RPGs are all about.
"Meh."

DKChannelBoredom

#758
November 15, 2010, 02:44:55 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;417450Honestly and unequivocally:

YES.

Why else play a game that will make you feel shitty and embarrassed afterwards, then post long involved Actual Play reports about how cool it was to watch a PC neck rape the cabin boy?

It isn't a question of belief, since this has happened. This is the real thing that has gone on. You are just attempting to proselytize a bankrupt gaming ideology.

Do you apply this to other types of art and/or entertainment also? Do you only watch feel-good, happy-go-lucky action comedies? if you do, why would anyone then watch for example "Requiem for a Dream" - are the 68.000 people who rated it 10 over at IMDB just doing it to be cool and edgy, and would actually much rather watch Cannonball Run II? Because Requim is just about as misery touristy as I can imagine anything being... but it's also SO much more.
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Playing: Mainly boardgames
Quote from: Cranewings;410955Cocain is more popular than rp so there is bound to be some crossover.

Sigmund

#759
November 15, 2010, 02:46:28 PM
Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;417454Do you apply this to other types of art and/or entertainment also? Do you only watch feel-good, happy-go-lucky action comedies? if you do, why would anyone then watch for example "Requiem for a Dream" - are the 68.000 people who rated it 10 over at IMDB just doing it to be cool and edgy, and would actually much rather watch Cannonball Run II? Because Requim is just about as misery touristy as I can imagine anything being... but it's also SO much more.

I hate that movie.
- Chris Sigmund

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"I\'d rather be a killer than a victim."

Quote from: John Morrow;418271I role-play for the ride, not the destination.

jeff37923

#760
November 15, 2010, 02:48:40 PM
Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;417454Do you apply this to other types of art and/or entertainment also? Do you only watch feel-good, happy-go-lucky action comedies? if you do, why would anyone then watch for example "Requiem for a Dream" - are the 68.000 people who rated it 10 over at IMDB just doing it to be cool and edgy, and would actually much rather watch Cannonball Run II? Because Requim is just about as misery touristy as I can imagine anything being... but it's also SO much more.

You are comparing apples and oranges. You watch a movie, you participate in a game.
"Meh."

DKChannelBoredom

#761
November 15, 2010, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sigmund;417455I hate that movie.

I'm not a big fan myself. I saw it once and I don't think I'll ever see it again, as it was simply too bleak and depressing. But I can see why it touches people and why it's quite a spectacular piece of movie art. Just like I can understand why some roleplayers can get a kick and great experience from some of those indie games, even though I would not personally want to play them.
Running: Call of Cthulhu
Playing: Mainly boardgames
Quote from: Cranewings;410955Cocain is more popular than rp so there is bound to be some crossover.

Sigmund

#762
November 15, 2010, 02:55:19 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;417457You are comparing apples and oranges. You watch a movie, you participate in a game.

I agree. Also, leaving aside comparing two entirely different forms of entertainment, there's still a vast difference between viewing a rather poor attempt to portray addiction (which is at least a relevant issue) in a film and playing "pirates" neck-raping a dead cabin boy in a game.
- Chris Sigmund

Old Loser

"I\'d rather be a killer than a victim."

Quote from: John Morrow;418271I role-play for the ride, not the destination.

DKChannelBoredom

#763
November 15, 2010, 02:56:02 PM
Quote from: jeff37923;417457You are comparing apples and oranges. You watch a movie, you participate in a game.

I think the comparison is legit, and I repeat my question, if your approach is correct, why would anyone want to watch a group of young people piss their life away and degenerate and humiliate themselves in a haze of heroin, leaving the cinema feeling miserable, when they could just watch The Hangover? To be cool and edgy?
Running: Call of Cthulhu
Playing: Mainly boardgames
Quote from: Cranewings;410955Cocain is more popular than rp so there is bound to be some crossover.

Sigmund

#764
November 15, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;417459But I can see why it touches people and why it's quite a spectacular piece of movie art.

I can't. IMO it's crap for showing what addiction is like. Blow, Leaving Las Vegas, Clean and Sober, and Crazy Heart are all far superior at portraying realistic visions of the subject matter.
- Chris Sigmund

Old Loser

"I\'d rather be a killer than a victim."

Quote from: John Morrow;418271I role-play for the ride, not the destination.
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