Quote from: Elliot Wilen;415336Pundit's tendency to "make a show" of not banning people, when they aren't doing anything which is against forum rules, is harmful, though.

Particularly when a big deal is made about the quality of its moderator and the nature of its moderation, in my estimation.

Seanchai

People, this thread has gone downhill like, totally. Discussing the Pundit as moderator ain't fun. Let's get back to the war against Eastasia.

If theRPGSite is such an emotionally unsafe place, if it the discussions here are too contentious and impolite, if Pundit's moderatorship is too draconian and creates an antagonistic tone, THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU WHINING ASSHOLES STILL HERE POSTING ON HIS FORUM?!?

I really believe that some of you are only here to complain and wallow in your own fictitious victimhood. Get a life. If this place is the Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy on the internet to you, then why are you here?

Quote from: One Horse Town;415457So, to those people who feel 'hampered', where are you in the threads that are about games, rather than the industry, Pundit or the latest flamefest?

I respond to non-Pundit threads all the time.

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;415558Particularly when a big deal is made about the quality of its moderator and the nature of its moderation, in my estimation.

Seanchai

Perhaps it's a quality some of us appreciate where you don't. Very few things are black and white. Besides, do you really care all that much? You still contribute quite often, despite not liking Pundit and occasionally getting into meaningless digital dust-ups with folks like me and Benoist and Stormbringer and Jeff. Can you really say, subjective quality aside, that at the very least this site isn't better in that despite everything you're still here posting on it?

Quote from: two_fishes;415552Oh yeah, and if you should point out the antagonistic tone of this site, you're accused of being a simpering pussy, or playing martyr.

That's because of several factors. First, the site isn't antagonistic, some of it's participants are. Second, we often point out when things people post are wrong, because we can, that's why we're posting and reading here. Third, in your particular case you happen to play and enjoy games a great many folks who frequent here don't play and enjoy, and in fact outright don't like. I'm not gonna go onto a sport bike forum and post about how much I love my Miata and think it's the best driving experience and not expect a regular or two to point out how I might be in the wrong place for that kinda thing. I mean we all like driving fast and curvy roads and all that, but still it's a whole different thing and I'm better off at Miata.net where I post that stuff instead. So our experience has been that when folks who are into story games come here, it's usually to troll. Therefore, our behavior reflects that expectation. You, Mark, are an exception, I will easily grant you that. You contribute more than I expected, and speaking for myself, I appreciate some of your contributions. That is why I invited you to comment in the Freemarket thread which deals with a game that I think is of a style you have more experience in than I. However, when I see bullshit that sticks in my craw I'm gonna comment on it, whether it's you, Seanchai, Benny, DU, or whoever. The only one I treat with more than the usual reserve is Pundit, because whether anyone likes it or not it's his site, and I was raised to respect my host. Ya'all can get your panties in a bunch, or you can get over it, tell me to fuck off, and then go post in threads that interest you, your choice.

Quote from: Seanchai;415569I respond to non-Pundit threads all the time.

Seanchai

I know you do, mate. Although you started the argument, i don't really count you as part of it, if that makes sense.

There's really no reason for anyone to be here that doesn't like the place - but does like posting the fact they don't like the place in the very forum they don't like!

There are plenty of threads to catch near anyone's interest, or shock! you can start your own. Something i can't recall a few of you shrinking violets doing. I know! Fuck, i have to post in another sub-forum if it's a storygame! Boo-hoo, get over it, you can still post and discuss it. You can even start threads in the main forum! You know, for traditional gaming (the FOCUS of the site).

Stop whining and being drama-queens and get on and talk games.

Quote from: jeff37923;415567If theRPGSite is such an emotionally unsafe place, if it the discussions here are too contentious and impolite, if Pundit's moderatorship is too draconian and creates an antagonistic tone, THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU WHINING ASSHOLES STILL HERE POSTING ON HIS FORUM?!?

I really believe that some of you are only here to complain and wallow in your own fictitious victimhood. Get a life. If this place is the Wretched Hive of Scum and Villainy on the internet to you, then why are you here?

I like to think I'm helping maintain the villainy quotient.

Quote from: Sigmund;415488Could you point out examples, just not seeing that, and certainly not feeling it myself.

Just to be clear, I've never felt restrained by Pundit, and two_fishes' complaints are special pleading from someone who wants protected status for their idiotic religion.

The main example, though, was WalkerP. Were you around for that? He was often an annoying jackass, but no more so than many others have been on this board. What really set him off, though, I believe, was his perception that Pundit was an "authority" he could rebel against, and in so doing flip off the rest of the board. Ultimately he did get himself banned by deliberately violating one of the few board rules, but that was just pro-forma; as far as I could tell, the lead-up to it was shaped by the "fight the man" dynamic.

As I recall, Mr. Analytical also left the board after getting into it with Pundit. I don't remember if Pundit made a show of not banning him, but it turned into one of those things where the guy said something about knowing when he's not wanted. (Can't locate the post; Mr. A's account is relegated to Guest for some reason, so I can't search on him.) Point is that the ostentatious not-banning feeds a perception of threatened censorship, unjustified to be sure, but also understandable.

Quote from: D-503;415586I like to think I'm helping maintain the villainy quotient.

I know I am. I've been told so.

WTF? Bunch of guys who should be friends are bitching at each other over minor bullshit is what I'm seeing.

Quote from: danbuter;415598WTF? Bunch of guys who should be friends are bitching at each other over minor bullshit is what I'm seeing.

Meh, we'll get over it.

Quote from: Elliot Wilen;415591The main example, though, was WalkerP. Were you around for that? He was often an annoying jackass, but no more so than many others have been on this board. What really set him off, though, I believe, was his perception that Pundit was an "authority" he could rebel against, and in so doing flip off the rest of the board. Ultimately he did get himself banned by deliberately violating one of the few board rules, but that was just pro-forma; as far as I could tell, the lead-up to it was shaped by the "fight the man" dynamic.

That was part of Mythusmage's banning aftermath, wasn't it?

I don't think anyone's claiming this site is a morass of Stalinist repression.  The very light moderation is one of the appeals, and it's great fun to be part of a mostly self-regulating online community.

However, that only makes it all the more glaring when the site's owner and chief moderator breaks from shouting about his commitment to free speech and abhorrence of political correctness in order to censor politically incorrect comments.

You won't get this stuff at somewhere like ENworld, where the mods firmly and politely enforce the established rules, because they're not gadding all over the site jerking off about their graciousness while closing threads they dislike.

Hypocrisy is the issue, not heavy-handedness.

Quote from: Benoist;415602That was part of Mythusmage's banning aftermath, wasn't it?

No, much later.