Quote from: BWA;413764This thread is pretty epic.

Pundit's opening rant alone was worth the price of admission in its deranged, King-Lear-esque madness and grandeur. Followed up by some classic bitter (and factually incorrect!) anti-Forge ranting by several posters, bitter arguments back-and-forth over semantics, a banning, D&D edition wars, and, finally, the comparison of an gamer arguing on the internet to a rape victim.

Lively!

That's fucking right.

Well, the real thing for tabletop rpgs is for each player to feel that he is able to be able to become cool and awesome for other people.
So a tabletop rpg is more of an environment rather than a specific challenge. An environment that has it unclear for each participant on what level the experience specifically must work out. So we are where the product aspect and the social aspect manage to blur with each other and this is what makes tabletop rpgs so fascinating and valuable. Tabletop rpgs as handbooks and guides push you to this kind of freedom, which is perhaps the most important factor behind the success of D&D. Any theory that tries to disregard this sort of thing in favor of the merits of focused product challenges and methods of their development is utterly going to mess up stuff. This is not to say that theory or even playtesting is something flawed when one tries to develop some kind of tabletop rpg. What it means is that a tabletop game must definitely not define some clear victory or winning conditions or even some kind of clear purpose by default to its players. On the contrary, tabletop games must actively try to not do that sort of thing while still being fair to the options they provide. You see, this means that game balance is something totally different than what the D20 system thinks it is. But I am sure this is not Ron's or Mike Mearls' fault.

Quote from: BWA;413764This thread is pretty epic.

Pundit's opening rant alone was worth the price of admission in its deranged, King-Lear-esque madness and grandeur. Followed up by some classic bitter (and factually incorrect!) anti-Forge ranting by several posters, bitter arguments back-and-forth over semantics, a banning, D&D edition wars, and, finally, the comparison of an gamer arguing on the internet to a rape victim.

Lively!

Stop your arrogant posturing, you! You can't fool anyone that you're "above" all this. You're just rolling around in it like the rest of us!

Quote from: Seanchai;413757Fortunately, your considering it thus doesn't make it so...

Fortunately, your considering it not, doesn't make it not.

QuoteWhich is what makes you a hypocrite. You're foul and nasty as a matter of habit and have no business commenting on or attempting to correct any perceived lack of politeness on the part of other posters.

Only to you, because you deserve it. I'll point out when you're being a dick whenever I want, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. On top of that, I'm also correct, which is what is really bothering you.

QuoteActually, it's you who time and time again make it personal.

Only when dealing with you. I pointed out that you are once again full of shit. I'm going to keep pointing out that you are full of shit. You once again are trying to distract from the fact that you're full of shit by pointing fingers at me. Go ahead, I don't care if you like me or like the fact that I point out when you're full of shit, I'm going to keep doing it. Notice, that when you're not acting like a dick, I say nothing. I can have perfectly civil conversations with a myriad of other folks, and even you on occasion. However, when you're acting like a dick, I point out that you're acting like a dick. Suck it up princess.

QuoteExcept my criticism of Pundit has led to him threatening to ban me. It hasn't been tolerated. He made it very clear that if I continued, I'd be gone.

So, yeah, I'm right.

Seanchai

Except he hasn't banned you. Not for acting like a dick, not for insulting him personally, not for being a pitiful troll. All things that would apparently get you banned from RPG.net, so you're wrong. You know it, I know it, he knows it, most importantly everyone else around these parts knows it too.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Seanchai often seems under the impression that just because he says something, we should all take it as the truth. If I'm wrong in that perception then forgive me, I'll retract it, but I'm really feeling like I'm not.

I'll make a prediction as well. Next, Seanchai will continue to try to point out what I'm doing, despite the fact that it in no way relates to or excuses his own behavior. Then, before too long, he'll try to convince everyone he wasn't actually saying that this place isn't better than RPG.net in it's moderation practices, that it was some different point and that we just didn't get it.

Quote from: two_fishes;413779Stop your arrogant posturing, you! You can't fool anyone that you're "above" all this. You're just rolling around in it like the rest of us!

Didn't you mean "just TROLLING around in it"!?!?

Quote from: two_fishes;413779Stop your arrogant posturing, you! You can't fool anyone that you're "above" all this. You're just rolling around in it like the rest of us!

Your petulance is amusing. Please continue, but try to be more creative though. You are some sort of elite story-gamer aren't you? We expect more from the Literati.

I only half-remember the tempa-banning that Seanchai is referring to.
 What I remember is that Pundit did it as a humorous example to make a point. After the point was made , Seanchai was un-banned.


- Ed C.

Quote from: Seanchai;413762Case in point.

Seanchai

Apparently he does.

Quote from: DKChannelBoredom;413781Didn't you mean "just TROLLING around in it"!?!?

It's not trolling when he does it.

Quote from: Sigmund;413780Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Seanchai often seems under the impression that just because he says something, we should all take it as the truth.

That describes 99% of forum participants.

I don't see the problem, personally. Seanchai got pissy a while ago and drew a comparison that pundit didn't like - pundit tried to show him what it'd be like if that comparison was true - Seanchai cried 'victory' (which is all the rage these days) and the rest of us thought, "what a couple of dicks."

Quote from: Benoist;413758Oh yes, that's right. More specifically, if you enjoy that kind of thing, then this mean you have been literally, positively, brain-damaged by the games you played before. Brain-damaged, like a child-abuse victim. Sorry.

okay, wanted to make sure my desire to smash his teeth in with my bootheel was well placed.

And it is!

Quote from: Sigmund;413782Your petulance is amusing. Please continue, but try to be more creative though. You are some sort of elite story-gamer aren't you? We expect more from the Literati.

In the words of the wise Carl Carlson: let's make litter out of these litterati!

Quote from: One Horse Town;413787and the rest of us thought, "what a couple of dicks."

I think there are a few who enjoyed the farce too. I know I did.

Oh look at this! All the usual pro-Forge white-knights come out of the woods now! Yayyy!

Quote from: Benoist;413795Oh look at this! All the usual pro-Forge white-knights come out of the woods now! Yayyy!

Be fair, they've just lost a family member. You know, the one that lived on their own miles from anyone and no-one has seen for years? The one that always had foodstains on their shirt and holes in their socks.