Quote from: FrankTrollman;413749Sure you do. When you're playing a game, do you know anyone who is neither bored nor frustrated when the storyline progresses through a series of "role playing" and "combat" encounters that are very talky and very crunchy respectively? If you know even one person who enjoys that sort of thing, you know that Forge Theory is crap. Because Forge Theory predicts that to be an incoherent and unsatisfying experience by definition.

-Frank

And if you're a person that enjoys that kind of thing, you're in denial, like a rape victim.

Quote from: Benoist;413753And if you're a person that enjoys that kind of thing, you're in denial, like a rape victim.

Was it rape or was it child molestation victim?  I can't recall, I'm not going to go digging, but I do want to know what, specifically, to hate the man for.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;413754Was it rape or was it child molestation victim?  I can't recall, I'm not going to go digging, but I do want to know what, specifically, to hate the man for.

As I am to understand it, he was actually frightened by a bat, similar to Bruce Wayne, except the bat had an erection.

Quote from: Koltar;413750In 20/20 hindsight , GNS theory is looking more and more like a Sophomore college term paper that had just enouigh eloquence in it to guarantee the student got a better than passing grade.

It just doesn't hold up as useful after so many years have gone by.
Part of the problem might be thaty so many gamers are either themselves college sophomore or got older but their brains never progressed beyond that way of thinking.


- Ed C.

Now wait a second Ed... I thought it was Edwards himself that made claims that some gamers were brain impaired?

Quote from: Sigmund;413685I consider the following:... to be badmouthing him, and that's just in this thread.

Fortunately, your considering it thus doesn't make it so...

Quote from: Sigmund;413685I've never said I don't badmouth anyone.

Which is what makes you a hypocrite. You're foul and nasty as a matter of habit and have no business commenting on or attempting to correct any perceived lack of politeness on the part of other posters.

Quote from: Sigmund;413685Mentioning me is just your textbook tactic of trying to deflect attention from the point anyway, its something you do every time you get called on your bullshit.

Actually, it's you who time and time again make it personal.

Quote from: Sigmund;413690However, it's obvious that I'm right that you're wrong about the fact that the kind of criticism you level at the Pundit on his own forum would not be tolerated on RPG.net, which is the point I've thoroughly made.

Except my criticism of Pundit has led to him threatening to ban me. It hasn't been tolerated. He made it very clear that if I continued, I'd be gone.

So, yeah, I'm right.

Seanchai

Quote from: thedungeondelver;413754Was it rape or was it child molestation victim?  I can't recall, I'm not going to go digging, but I do want to know what, specifically, to hate the man for.

Oh yes, that's right. More specifically, if you enjoy that kind of thing, then this mean you have been literally, positively, brain-damaged by the games you played before. Brain-damaged, like a child-abuse victim. Sorry.

Quote from: Sigmund;413748Yet the labels created in GNS could be applied to players based on their decision making tendencies. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, as my Gram used to say.

Could be.  But they're useless when used like that, because I could be playing Nar in one game and Game in another, and enjoy both equally.

Quote from: 'Frank'Well, if you want to get technical, the claim put forward by GNS was that the premise addressed in the dream by the exploration of gamist and narrativist themes were mutually unrealizable and that the system that attempted to do so was incoherent. But I find that the results were much the same once you cut through all the jargon.

Possibly incoherent if played by the RAW using the book's advice.  GNS recognizes system stretches beyond the RAW and into the social aspects of play, where games can be "fixed" or "drifted" to suit a particular group's playstyle for a given game.  

The usefulness of using something like GNS as a springboard for design experimentation vs creating an easily "driftable" game is where I have problems with GNS -- I don't see how one method or the other is universally preferred.

QuoteSure you do. When you're playing a game, do you know anyone who is neither bored nor frustrated when the storyline progresses through a series of "role playing" and "combat" encounters that are very talky and very crunchy respectively? If you know even one person who enjoys that sort of thing, you know that Forge Theory is crap. Because Forge Theory predicts that to be an incoherent and unsatisfying experience by definition.

Need an explicit example for this because I'm having trouble understanding what crunchiness or talkiness have to do with GNS in this context.

Quote from: Cole;413755As I am to understand it, he was actually frightened by a bat, similar to Bruce Wayne, except the bat had an erection.

Quote from: RPGPundit;413718That's an... interesting version of events you've got there, buddy.

I can quote you if you'd like. It was right about the time you publicly declared that you were tired of the attacks on your person and were going to start banning folks. You said something about showing the dogs your blade, or some such.

Seanchai

Quote from: RPGPundit;413725Do you react like this anytime someone makes you their bitch? Its cute.

Case in point.

Seanchai

This thread is pretty epic.

Pundit's opening rant alone was worth the price of admission in its deranged, King-Lear-esque madness and grandeur. Followed up by some classic bitter (and factually incorrect!) anti-Forge ranting by several posters, bitter arguments back-and-forth over semantics, a banning, D&D edition wars, and, finally, the comparison of an gamer arguing on the internet to a rape victim.

Lively!

Also, this is amazing.

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Quote from: Benoist;413760

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Quote from: Cole;413755As I am to understand it, he was actually frightened by a bat, similar to Bruce Wayne, except the bat had an erection.

This is insanely fun

Quote from: Imperator;413772This is insanely fun

No, it's not. You just think that because you were traumatized by a bat phallus at an early game session.