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Quote from: CRKrueger;413484Tubgirl, goatse.cx and 2 girls 1 cup have contributed to the "creative culture" as well.  Not sure any of those qualify as public service, maybe Stile Project.

If 4Chan and Something Awful are considered as positive cultural contributions, then we should probably just wipe and start civilization over.

2 Girls 1 Cup wasn't made by anyone on SA or 4chan, AFAIK.  Tubgirl and goats.cx were offsite, and I don't even know if SA/4chan is even responsible for those sites.

So catching dozens of pedophiles (maybe more), stopping a school shooting, getting animal abusers arrested, etc, etc, aren't positive contributions to the public?

Well fuck me.  I guess our RPG sites must've cured aids.

Oh, and if you want me to get off your lawn, stop using those demotivationals.  They, along with dozens of other memes, originated with SA/4chan.  In fact, pretty much all internet humor has at this point.

Like I said, the bad with the good.  You get weird snuff porn, but you also get people willing to track down criminals in their spare time "for fun."  It's a weird thing, but one I'm glad exists -- it's an experiment of sorts.  There's a reason the 4chan founder was invited to a TED talk a little ways back.

Quote from: Peregrin;4135222 Girls 1 Cup wasn't made by anyone on SA or 4chan.

That's not his point. His point is that 2 girls and 1 cup participate... something... to culture, just like 4chan does. Just saying "well they're popular, they're participating something to culture" doesn't say anything as to WHAT, exactly, they participate to culture, and whether that's a good or bad thing.

Quote from: Peregrin;413522So catching dozens of pedophiles (maybe more), stopping a school shooting, getting animal abusers arrested, etc, etc, aren't positive contributions to the public?

OH. COME ON DUDE. That's not what we're talking about, and you know it.

Quote from: Benoist;413443I visited the D&D boards mostly. There was/is constant sniping in those threads. Being a passive-aggressive asshole is rewarded on this site.

Damn, maybe coal tar will go there and stay there, it sounds like his kind of place.

Quote from: Cylonophile;413525Damn, maybe coal tar will go there and stay there, it sounds like his kind of place.

Even though we're not on the Big Purple, can we shout, "Ban hammer! Ban hammer!" too?

Seanchai

I find the "coal tar" references exceedingly boring, personally.

Quote from: Insufficient Metal;413445Totally agreed there. Also a totally expected result... try to restrict gamers with rules, and they'll find a way around them.

See here's the fallacy. Old school D&D isn't about getting around the rules.

Old school is about simply using a given set of rules for play, and recognizing the GM as final arbiter of those rules, so the game could continue progressing for the benefit of all the players.

I think the breakdown, or original rift in play styles developed around 1979 or so... A subgroup devoted to testing the limits of the rules drove the game into the "let's break the rules" mode. It featured alot of power creep in terms of high HP games, high magic games with lots of magic items, and GM railroading, where players took turns being a GM just to see how fast they could break the players or create a TPK event. I never had a character in a game that came even remotely close to getting 300,000 exp. and we played almost every day!

I'd call finding a way around the rules definitely new school play. It switched from being a collaberative problem solving game to being a competition, where the players attempted to outdo each other, both in playing their characters and playing as GMs.

Quote from: Seanchai;413460While I do appreciate what freedoms we have here, they're not because Pundit has a thicker skin. Look how quickly he jumped on folks disagreeing with his assessment about his victory and the language, etc., he used in those posts. Does that really strike you as the reaction of someone with a thick skin?

No, we have what freedom we do because that was the best way Pundit could think to stick to the Man - in this case, the Big Purple. It isn't so much about having freedom of speech here as much as it is showing their mods that we have freedom of speech (within proscribed limits).

I'm more deontological than teleological, so...

Seanchai

He doesn't have thicker skin, he is just acting like it? That's like saying, the water didn't stay frozen, it is just sticking together. I don't think you can take anything away from him on that count. Even if people do irritate him, if he doesn't use his moderator powers to actually do something to them other than talk, he's being infinitely tougher than the dildos at rpgnet.

I could have sworn Prop 19 was defeated tonight!

Quote from: Benoist;413443I visited the D&D boards mostly. There was/is constant sniping in those threads. Being a passive-aggressive asshole is rewarded on this site, unless of course you represent some sort of twisted added value for the website, whether you want it or not, like in the case of Luke or Old Geezer, in which case you get a pass.

Constant bullshit from start to finish. RPGnet is the fucking dickhole of the internet, with 4chan and SomethingAwful right next to it. Which must mean the internet is hermaphrodite, has two assholes or something.

While I agree that SA is a bit silly (nerds that think they are smarter than regular people because they have unpopular hobbies) I do think they are pretty god damned funny.

Quote from: Peregrin;413465As long as it stays on the internet, then it's cool with me.

Also, in light of the love going around for TBP, the moderation is pretty lax on RPGnet compared to some other gaming forums I post on.  Not as lax as here, but relatively speaking, it's not all that bad.

For me, this post by Greg Stolze at RPG.net sums it up really nicely:

Quote from: Greg StolzeLike him or not, Ron Edwards was the guy who went to a lot of people, shook their metaphorical lapels and yelled "YOU! CAN! DESIGN AND SELL YOUR OWN FUCKING GAME! YOU!" until they did it. He has his abrasive moments and I certainly don't agree with everything he's ever said, but credit where due: If not for Ron, my personal income over the last three years or so would have been a lot lower.

So the guy is doing with his website what he always said he would do. Big deal

Quote from: Benoist;413443I visited the D&D boards mostly. There was/is constant sniping in those threads. Being a passive-aggressive asshole is rewarded on this site, unless of course you represent some sort of twisted added value for the website, whether you want it or not, like in the case of Luke or Old Geezer, in which case you get a pass.

Constant bullshit from start to finish. RPGnet is the fucking dickhole of the internet, with 4chan and SomethingAwful right next to it. Which must mean the internet is hermaphrodite, has two assholes or something.

At least 4chan has porn... though admittedly, some of it isn't porn that anyone in their right mind would want.

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