Quote from: The Butcher;562657I find the notion that people are "out to destroy the hobby" risible.

No it's true; he has evidence...

Quote from: Ladybird;562686No, the problem isn't that rpg.net is full of liberals. The problem is that it's full of shitheads who won't fucking shut up and won't take anything less than complete, unquestioning acceptance of their cause; who will pick on minor, insignificant details and claim those prove that you're a terrible person; who will accuse you of vile things, and then accuse you of derailing when you ask what they're talking about; whose first presumption in an argument is "you are a terrible person and guilty of everything you have been accused of, because nobody ever users accusations of -isms to further their own personal grudges"; who intentionally drive away people who agree with them.

They don't want to discuss, because they're already right, as far as they think. They want to order and control, not educate and improve.

I'm going to mull this over because it is pretty insightful to the faults of tBP.

Quote from: Azure Lord;562483Ettin--you know, the same poster who sparked the Desborough flamewar--has made a thread about how Golarion is totally racist.  I guess he hopes the social justice sycophants will take umbrage to Paizo's existence.

Oh, please, link me.  This shit I can't wait to see!

OK

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?637500-So-Golarion-seems-kinda-racist

And this one is a present:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?637612-4e-s-Implied-Setting-is-Also-Kinda-Racist

I blame the liberals.

That nutter in Colorado...liberal too

Quote from: jeff37923;562692I'm going to mull this over because it is pretty insightful to the faults of tBP.

It is insightful, but it misses a key point: every one of those things is present in virtually every progressive community on the Internet.  The worst that happens in conservative circles is that you get called a socialist or WHY DO YOU HATE FREEDOM.

Quote from: Azure Lord;562663I suppose I spoke in haste--there are people with an interest in fundamentally transforming the hobby.

They're welcome to try. In fact, I'd say they had their chance, and failed (if their aim was, as Pundit and others claim, to displace traditional RPGs entirely) or succeeded (if their aim was to explore games similar to pre-existing RPGs in structure, but built on very distinct design goals borne out of uncle Ron's theories). I won't object unless the change is actually harmful to the hobby's popular image (which frankly isn't exactly great to begin with).

I have no love for crap like Poison'd or Hell For Leather, or for people who start RPGnet threads like "ZOMG Pathfinder's Golarion setting is racist because Asians" and like I said, I support the use of weaponised mockery against these people, the same way I support mocking the militant leftists and hipsters of RPGnet, or catpissmen, or racists, or homophobes, or hate-mongering one-true-wayists; douches come in all shapes and sizes and colors and denominations and polical agendas, and they're all welcome to get the fuck off my lawn.

I wouldn't be caught dead playing a misery-tourism storygame like Grey Ranks or Montségur 1244, but that's a matter of personal taste rather than any sort of objective divergence in principles. Same goes for the really out there, scripted or quasi-scripted storygames like Polaris or A Flower For Mara. I afford the people who write these games the same sort of respect I'd afford your average game designer (mostly, I just don't presume they're all perverts out to destroy the games I love).

The rest I haven't tried, but I probably would, given opportunity. I wouldn't mind at all giving Fiasco, or Apocalypse World, or Chronica Feudalis, or The Mist-Robed Gate a whirl.

tl;dr -- I don't see what the fuss is all about. It's all Internet forum drama and attention-whoring to me. But I support merciless mocking of idiots across ideological lines as a mild form of social hygiene.

Quote from: Claudius;562700OK

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?637500-So-Golarion-seems-kinda-racist

And this one is a present:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?637612-4e-s-Implied-Setting-is-Also-Kinda-Racist

Its like a cunt convention.

Quote from: The Traveller;562721Its like a cunt convention.

It is a cunt convention, no 'like' about it.

I'm gonna go drink and game some to remind myself that tBP does not fully represent the hobby.

that's a posting from Ettin, who is basically a shitlord troll from SA's forums.  That thread should have been thrown off a cliff at birth, but the fact that it continued on and is still open is the flat fucking proof that the crazies murdered the staff and run the asylum over at big throbbing purple.

I have to have an Ettin Shitlord in my dungeon now.

Quote from: Benoist;562744I have to have an Ettin Shitlord in my dungeon now.

Use the giant two-headed troll from Fiend Folio, give him a pet otyugh.  Then you have a giant Ettin troll who is also a shitlord.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;562747Use the giant two-headed troll from Fiend Folio, give him a pet otyugh.  Then you have a giant Ettin troll who is also a shitlord.

That's awesome. Then have his lair, something truly awful, a stagnant, stinking, horrible cesspool of a place, act as a Gate to the great whirlpool of all the waste of the Abyss that is Arpegheneth's Ring, throbbing with all the faces of impotent know-it-alls and lesson givers of everywhere and nowhere sliding and swirling for eternity towards the unavoidable oblivion lying beyond the planes.

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;562702I blame the liberals.

That nutter in Colorado...liberal too

Shut the fuck up , you Goddamn fucking git.

Or at the very least, pull your head out of your Goddamn Torrie ass and be a decent contributer to this forum instead of the fucking git who you are behaving like.

Quote from: Claudius;562700OK

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?637500-So-Golarion-seems-kinda-racist

And this one is a present:

http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?637612-4e-s-Implied-Setting-is-Also-Kinda-Racist

I don't get it.

These people used to be fond of complaining that non-whites don't get portrayed in RPG material.

Along comes Paizo and portrays non-white human characters in cultural milieus that seems at least superficially derivative of some African and Asian cultures (in the same vein that, say, the Forgotten Realms or Greyhawk are derivative of Medieval Europe); and people have the gall to be offended.

I'm willing to bet that, if you portrayed an Asian or African-looking character as a knight in full plate, they'd also be crying bloody murder about cultural imperialism or making a mockery of non-Western cultures by dressing non-whites in a typically European outfit, or somesuch.