Quote from: Rhedyn;1121121Or you work in a large company and realize wealth is accumulating at the top by no virtue than simply having a lot of money in the first place.

It's more the case that universal historical tendencies of mankind are blamed at capitalism.
Power accumulating to the top has been the case for as long as humans could comprehend hierarchy enough to make Teepees.

Capitalism has done more to reduce that gap than anything else in history. Left people with enough time to get super bitter and angry and demand for systems that don't work and will leave them starving so they don't have the time to whine anymore.

However, Capitalism is just a magical buzzword with no context meant to whine at whatever the people dislike that day.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121121Or you work in a large company and realize wealth is accumulating at the top by no virtue than simply having a lot of money in the first place.

I'm only on capitalism's side when it promotes innovation and I am rapidly being convinced that the search for quarter by quarter profits are leading to less and less innovation. (Also people can't afford to buy cool new stuff if rich people have all the money).

And having created said company and having all the risks while the employees have almost none. Said job would not exist had it not been for the evul capitalist that created the RPG publisher in the first time, at his expense and risk, and now comes some asshole to demand to make just as much money as the company owners.

Easy solution, quit, create your own RPG company and by competition drive the evul capitalist out of business, after all without you he has no business and no way to accumulate more money right?

People seriously need to get a few lessons on economics and how does wealth get created.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121121Or you work in a large company and realize wealth is accumulating at the top by no virtue than simply having a lot of money in the first place.

I'm only on capitalism's side when it promotes innovation and I am rapidly being convinced that the search for quarter by quarter profits are leading to less and less innovation. (Also people can't afford to buy cool new stuff if rich people have all the money).

Rich people pay for innovation and therefore promote innovation by definition.  For example the first people to buy automobiles were rich people.  There would not be a market for automobiles if there were not rich people spending money to buy automobiles.  Then further innovation and automation was able to lower the price to where everyone can buy a automobile if they want one.

If you are poor and struggling to survive day to day how much band width do you have available to innovate? You can blame rich people and capitalism for a lot of things but stifling innovation?  No, thats not one.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1121136And having created said company and having all the risks while the employees have almost none. Said job would not exist had it not been for the evul capitalist that created the RPG publisher in the first time, at his expense and risk, and now comes some asshole to demand to make just as much money as the company owners.

Easy solution, quit, create your own RPG company and by competition drive the evul capitalist out of business, after all without you he has no business and no way to accumulate more money right?

People seriously need to get a few lessons on economics and how does wealth get created.

Hahaha you think I am talking about you. Feel attacked after you start making a billion a year in revenue.

You are, at best, middle class.

Quote from: Shasarak;1121146Rich people pay for innovation and therefore promote innovation by definition.  For example the first people to buy automobiles were rich people.  There would not be a market for automobiles if there were not rich people spending money to buy automobiles.  Then further innovation and automation was able to lower the price to where everyone can buy a automobile if they want one.

If you are poor and struggling to survive day to day how much band width do you have available to innovate? You can blame rich people and capitalism for a lot of things but stifling innovation?  No, thats not one.

Rich people don't pay for shit, it's why they are Rich. Ford payed his workers enough to buy his cars and that was better marketing for them than a couple Rich people owning them.
Now at a big company innovation is "buying smaller companies" and I know that from first hand experience. The suits couldn't even consider starting their own R&D it's too risky.

Me, I don't struggle. I do see the problem though. These large corporation need broken up/nationalized and the billionaires need be taxed down to only a billion dollars. The free market is a useful tool if you keep it working. Letting vast resources coalesce at the top and letting the economy die as most of us can barely afford anything is not the free market working to benefit of society. Innovation is risky and there are plenty of ways to buy more money that are much lower risks.

This is a tangent, Hasbro is a big business while WotC is not nor is any other RPG company. People are just flabbergasted why more and more young people are leaning socialist and think it's those damn hippy teachers not shitty jobs, low wages, and any decent form of healthcare being called socialist.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121157Letting vast resources coalesce at the top and letting the economy die as most of us can barely afford anything is not the free market working to benefit of society.

"Barely afford anything"

Black Friday in 2019 was record breaking. And that's just one bullshit sales day.  
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2019/11/30/record-black-friday-sales-14-growth-to-72b-in-digital-revenue/#3e64f7106aff

The problem is the working and middle class were sold the myth of being non-stop consumers. Got an iPhone 8? Oh noes, better get that iPhone 11! See that new thing on IG? Gotta have it now! Prime 2 day is too slow, pay for 2 hour delivery!! Can't play that old Xbox anymore! Gotta get the new one! Can't eat at home when all those hot restaurants are opening! Can't have mom make sandwiches for lunch because we gotta have branded paleo-bento boxes! Gotta get a new car for the fam! Can't buy a used one or fix what we have! What would the neighbors think???

The economy is in overdrive and it's not a couple evil billionaires buying up everything. It's the working and middle class buying, buying, buying in a desperate drive to fill their empty souls.

And thankfully, the masses will keep buying!!!

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121157This is a tangent, Hasbro is a big business while WotC is not nor is any other RPG company. People are just flabbergasted why more and more young people are leaning socialist and think it's those damn hippy teachers not shitty jobs, low wages, and any decent form of healthcare being called socialist.

Jobs have always been shitty. That's why its called "going to work" and not "having a fun time." If anything, jobs are less shitty today because our workplaces are safer than ever and few people do actual back breaking labor.

Wages aren't low. Minimum wage is absurdly high. Flunkies who can barely function now make $20k or more and still qualify for government goodies. As for college grads, their wages depend on their industry. A gender studies major won't make the same as an engineer, or even an electrician.

If someone isn't happy with their wage, there has NEVER been a better time to start your own company, even just a side business out of your garage for beer money. Although, its true housing costs in some areas have outpaced wages. The answer is there are 48 states beyond New York and California, and there's cheap areas in those states too.

Healthcare is expensive, but more technology and information exists than ever before so people can monitor and enhance their own health. But if you buy good insurance, you get excellent care with medical tech that didn't exist two decades ago. Also, much of health depends on diet and exercise, and anyone with a basic job can eat smartly and get their ass outside for a walk.

Our dumbshit youth begging for communism's barren kiss had better pray they never get what they wish for. If the USA adopts "socialism", the result will be rampant poverty, unemployment and crime these little bitches have never imagined.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1121163Healthcare is expensive, but more technology and information exists than ever before so people can monitor and enhance their own health. But if you buy good insurance, you get excellent care with medical tech that didn't exist two decades ago. Also, much of health depends on diet and exercise, and anyone with a basic job can eat smartly and get their ass outside for a walk.

I'll leave most of that as "up for debate" or "actually agree with you". This is bullshit though. You can't buy good insurance. As in good insurance tends to cost more than it ever could cover because our system is stupid. Our pro athletes go to Europe to get fixed up because American healthcare is both more expensive and worse with way more people dying on waiting lists in America than in all those "socialist countries".

Good old diet and exercise is great! It's not a healthcare system.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121168I'll leave most of that as "up for debate" or "actually agree with you". This is bullshit though. You can't buy good insurance. As in good insurance tends to cost more than it ever could cover because our system is stupid. Our pro athletes go to Europe to get fixed up because American healthcare is both more expensive and worse with way more people dying on waiting lists in America than in all those "socialist countries".

Good old diet and exercise is great! It's not a healthcare system.

Citation needed.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121157Hahaha you think I am talking about you. Feel attacked after you start making a billion a year in revenue.

And then the commissar aproached me with a smile on his face. He wiped the tears out of my eyes and said:
"You have nothing to fear. We will shoot you last"

I know many small buisness owners that had to shutter down or sell because of constant beurocracy or minimum wage laws. And people like you don't give a shit.

Im sorry but with that kind of logic there is a strong reason why people fear commies and socialists. Commies motivated by indignation, anger, bitterness, hatred and envy. Very few are motivated by any genuine empathy.
Very few commies put any intelectual legwork in, and generally refuse to start with themselves. The rest of the world must bend and they don't ever have to do it. Like how bernie sanders blamed "Millionaires and Billionaires" until he became a millionaire and then suddenly it was only exclusively billionaires after that point.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121168You can't buy good insurance.

I most certainly can buy good insurance!

If I threw more money at it, I could easily have both great insurance AND medical concierge services to boot. As with everything, you get what you pay for and an ounce of prevention costs 1/100th of that pound of cure. That's why smart insurance companies incentivize proactive involvement in your own health.

If the socialist shitholes are so amazing, let's hope more Americans move there and never return to darken our soil with their shadows.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121157Rich people don't pay for shit, it's why they are Rich. Ford payed his workers enough to buy his cars and that was better marketing for them than a couple Rich people owning them.
Now at a big company innovation is "buying smaller companies" and I know that from first hand experience. The suits couldn't even consider starting their own R&D it's too risky.

Me, I don't struggle. I do see the problem though. These large corporation need broken up/nationalized and the billionaires need be taxed down to only a billion dollars. The free market is a useful tool if you keep it working. Letting vast resources coalesce at the top and letting the economy die as most of us can barely afford anything is not the free market working to benefit of society. Innovation is risky and there are plenty of ways to buy more money that are much lower risks.

This is a tangent, Hasbro is a big business while WotC is not nor is any other RPG company. People are just flabbergasted why more and more young people are leaning socialist and think it's those damn hippy teachers not shitty jobs, low wages, and any decent form of healthcare being called socialist.

So if Capitalism is so bad for Innovation then what is your solution?  Get the Government to produce the one official RPG that everyone must play with adventures produced by governmental drones paid by the stolen billionaire wealth?  Finally we will get the living RPG wage we have always dreamed of.

With all its flaws, no system has created more innovation and invention than capitalism.

Don't even look at America. Look at every country devastated by WW2 and compare the wealth of those who became capitalist versus those who did not. The disparity in wealth and standard of living is incredible.

No government, regardless of how well meaning or even how well run, can compare to the power of greed in driving innovation and invention. Humans are greedy bastards and capitalism unleashes that negative emotion in sweeping, massive positive ways.

It's too bad the USA doesn't do a massive prisoner swap with China. We'll take all the pro-America kids in Hong Kong and China can have all our college kids who hate capitalism and yearn for that sweet, sweet socialism China will most assuredly provide them.

And then we can buy their organs at 1/2 price! No more long waiting lists for transplants! Win-win!

Quote from: Spinachcat;1121173I most certainly can buy good insurance!

If I threw more money at it, I could easily have both great insurance AND medical concierge services to boot. As with everything, you get what you pay for and an ounce of prevention costs 1/100th of that pound of cure. That's why smart insurance companies incentivize proactive involvement in your own health.

If the socialist shitholes are so amazing, let's hope more Americans move there and never return to darken our soil with their shadows.

We could organize an exchange! Capitalistic hard working Mexicans to the USA in exchange for the socialistic gringos! win-win, México gets rid of those filthy capitalistic pigs like me and USA gets rid of the stupid socialistic/communistic idiots.

I think the flaw in our so called capitalism that we defend so ardently is corporate welfare and government sponsored monopolies.  Proper captialism lets the big guys die out instead of bailing them out every time they stumble.  What we call capitalism in these parts is often down right anti competitive and broken.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1121157Hahaha you think I am talking about you. Feel attacked after you start making a billion a year in revenue.

You are, at best, middle class.


Rich people don't pay for shit, it's why they are Rich. Ford payed his workers enough to buy his cars and that was better marketing for them than a couple Rich people owning them.
Now at a big company innovation is "buying smaller companies" and I know that from first hand experience. The suits couldn't even consider starting their own R&D it's too risky.

Me, I don't struggle. I do see the problem though. These large corporation need broken up/nationalized and the billionaires need be taxed down to only a billion dollars. The free market is a useful tool if you keep it working. Letting vast resources coalesce at the top and letting the economy die as most of us can barely afford anything is not the free market working to benefit of society. Innovation is risky and there are plenty of ways to buy more money that are much lower risks.

This is a tangent, Hasbro is a big business while WotC is not nor is any other RPG company. People are just flabbergasted why more and more young people are leaning socialist and think it's those damn hippy teachers not shitty jobs, low wages, and any decent form of healthcare being called socialist.

That's not how economics works in the real world.

The main reason why Hitler lost WW2, and why he felt compelled to start it in the first place, is because he was fundamentally ignorant about economics and believed essentially the same thing.

He was right about everything vis-a-vis the Soviet Union -- right about the invasion, going south, dividing his forces in the south believing that the Soviet Union was beaten, and so on. There was however one critical factor about which he was wrong, and could not have anticipated due to his ignorance, and that was the power of the United States. While they denied it publicly, both Stalin (according to Khrushchev in a taped interview) and his marshal Zhukov (in a bugged conversation from 1963, released 30 years later) are on record as saying that without America's lend-lease program that the USSR could not have continued the war. The USSR won because they were zipping around in 363,080 American-made trucks, eating 782,973 tons of American SPAM, and communicating using 956,688 miles of telephone wire and 380,135 field telephones provided by America. In 1942, 63.2% of all military supplies came from America [H.D. Hall, North American Supply (London 1955), p. 430; M Harrison, Soviet Planning in War and Peace 1938-1942 (Cambridge, 1985), pp. 258-9; H. van Tuyll, Feeding the Bear: American Aid to the Soviet Union 1942-1945 (New York, 1989), pp. 1956-61)].

You'd think that some of these people would crack open a book and read about the epic failures of history so as not to repeat them, or at least learn basic economics, but apparently not.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1121179We could organize an exchange! Capitalistic hard working Mexicans to the USA in exchange for the socialistic gringos! win-win, México gets rid of those filthy capitalistic pigs like me and USA gets rid of the stupid socialistic/communistic idiots.

Done! I'm all good for that exchange!