Quote from: Opaopajr on October 04, 2023, 07:47:40 PM


I think this topic peaked after that Scooter video of an African hunt showing thrown reach weapons and sheer numbers obliterating megafauna like driver ants harvesting the jungle's creepy crawlies. 

The thread started would seem to agree with you.  Never having responded to the post that falsified the raison d'être of the hypothesis.

Quote from: Opaopajr on October 04, 2023, 07:47:40 PMI'm... bemused.

Me too. Conflating strategic massed thrown spear hunting against herbivorous animals, the same as the disorganized dispersed melee sword fights against larger supernaturally armored carnivores with the capacity to breathe fire and fucking fly is a new stretch I had not seen before.

Quote from: Opaopajr on October 04, 2023, 07:47:40 PM
I think this topic peaked after that Scooter video of an African hunt showing thrown reach weapons and sheer numbers obliterating megafauna like driver ants harvesting the jungle's creepy crawlies.  At this point it's not even academic, the topic's premise doesn't stand.

Well, in AD&D1e, dragons have a fear effect, no saving throw, on <1HD creatures. And levels 1-2 will require a save vs magic to avoid flee/panic. Even levels 3-5 fight at -1 due to shitting themselves. So with dragons in particular, you can't just hire 100x 0-level men-at-arms and have them throw 3 darts a round each until they kill the thing.

But other later communist versions of D&D aren't as wise and proper as 1st edition, thus the confusion. The OP is still a numpty who has never played proper D&D if any version at all, though.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron on October 05, 2023, 01:53:48 AM

Quote from: Opaopajr on October 04, 2023, 07:47:40 PM
I think this topic peaked after that Scooter video of an African hunt showing thrown reach weapons and sheer numbers obliterating megafauna like driver ants harvesting the jungle's creepy crawlies.  At this point it's not even academic, the topic's premise doesn't stand.

Well, in AD&D1e, dragons have a fear effect, no saving throw, on <1HD creatures. And levels 1-2 will require a save vs magic to avoid flee/panic. Even levels 3-5 fight at -1 due to shitting themselves. So with dragons in particular, you can't just hire 100x 0-level men-at-arms and have them throw 3 darts a round each until they kill the thing.

But other later communist versions of D&D aren't as wise and proper as 1st edition, thus the confusion. The OP is still a numpty who has never played proper D&D if any version at all, though.

That doesn't even take into account how dragons are smart and aren't going to stand there and let 100 men at arms throw darts at them.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 04, 2023, 09:47:19 PM

Quote from: Opaopajr on October 04, 2023, 07:47:40 PMI'm... bemused.

Me too. Conflating strategic massed thrown spear hunting against herbivorous animals, the same as the disorganized dispersed melee sword fights against larger supernaturally armored carnivores with the capacity to breathe fire and fucking fly is a new stretch I had not seen before.

Again, check the Original Topic's premise. Further, if you watched the video, you can see the hunt also caught an "herbiverous" leopard.  I know small potatoes, right?

Now dragons should be a challenge. But are you suggesting a make believe creature versus human-like intelligent swarms -- also armed with much make believe -- are still somehow unassailable? Why, that's a challenge for the make believe Thunderdome arena, isn't it!  I'm sure no table has made believe that they simulated beating one. 

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 04, 2023, 09:47:19 PM

Me too. Conflating strategic massed thrown spear hunting against herbivorous animals, the same as the disorganized dispersed melee sword fights against larger supernaturally armored carnivores with the capacity to breathe fire and fucking fly is a new stretch I had not seen before.

Well, if you could READ English you wouldn't be. 

OP: "Do you know what humans did when they wanted to hunt megafauna (rhinos, lions, tigers, elephants, etc)?"

Quote from: Opaopajr on October 05, 2023, 09:37:48 AMFurther, if you watched the video, you can see the hunt also caught an "herbiverous" leopard.  I know small potatoes, right?

Alright it's clear to me you're not here to have a conversation in any sort of good faith either (and if this is your idea of good faith, id like to see what bad faith discussion is). It's clear to me this place had become even more self satisfied since last I viewed the topics.

Quote from: Opaopajr on October 05, 2023, 09:37:48 AM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 04, 2023, 09:47:19 PM

Quote from: Opaopajr on October 04, 2023, 07:47:40 PMI'm... bemused.

Me too. Conflating strategic massed thrown spear hunting against herbivorous animals, the same as the disorganized dispersed melee sword fights against larger supernaturally armored carnivores with the capacity to breathe fire and fucking fly is a new stretch I had not seen before.

Again, check the Original Topic's premise. Further, if you watched the video, you can see the hunt also caught an "herbiverous" leopard.  I know small potatoes, right?

Now dragons should be a challenge. But are you suggesting a make believe creature versus human-like intelligent swarms -- also armed with much make believe -- are still somehow unassailable? Why, that's a challenge for the make believe Thunderdome arena, isn't it!  I'm sure no table has made believe that they simulated beating one. 

Yes, so thank you for agreeing with me. Humans with normal human strength can't fight massive fantasy creatures unless they stay far back and throw or shoot projectiles at it. In other words, not what DND characters are doing. DND characters are either superhuman or get shit on by any creature elephant sized or more. Hell I think some DND monsters can survive being hit by anti tank weaponry (which in d20 modern does up to 60 damage while dragons have more than a 100 HP), which means the hunters in the video would get absolutely trashed. If you can survive being hit by modern weaponry that would send shockwaves across your entire body, there's no weak spots for any human to hit. You're indestructible to them, in and out.

other posts:

> DND characters can't destroy rock walls with their superhuman strength because....THAT'S HOW THE GAME WORKS

So your game world is incoherent. Cool. Don't complain about SJW worlds not making any sense because your worlds don't either.

Quote from: MeganovaStella on October 05, 2023, 05:42:48 PM
DND characters are either superhuman or get shit on by any creature elephant sized or more.

Wrong.  You are either blind or stupid as all fuck.  Watch the video

Quote from: Scooter on October 05, 2023, 05:46:47 PM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on October 05, 2023, 05:42:48 PM
DND characters are either superhuman or get shit on by any creature elephant sized or more.

Wrong.  You are either blind or stupid as all fuck.  Watch the video

Watched the video. It's exactly as I said. Hunters stay back and attack from range. In other words, the strongest weapon humans have.

DND martials WALK UP to giant monsters and ATTACK THEM with MELEE WEAPONS which would be suicide.

You also didn't address my claim that any DND monster that could survive modern anti tank weaponry would be invincible to normal humans (which is supported by the damage of rocket launchers in d20 as well as the HP total of many high CR monsters)

https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Dragon

200 foot long monsters. There's a point where you have to say 'no real human could fight these, not even if they were experienced medieval hunters' and that point has been reached far ago.

Quote from: MeganovaStella on October 05, 2023, 05:52:20 PM
https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Dragon

200 foot long monsters. There's a point where you have to say 'no real human could fight these, not even if they were experienced medieval hunters' and that point has been reached far ago.

Wrong.  Just get more humans.  You aren't smart enough to figure out basic tactics.  Something 5 times the size of an elephant will still be killed without too much difficulty especially when using medieval era weapons rather than stone age spears.

Quote from: Scooter on October 05, 2023, 05:59:54 PM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on October 05, 2023, 05:52:20 PM
https://adnd2e.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Dragon

200 foot long monsters. There's a point where you have to say 'no real human could fight these, not even if they were experienced medieval hunters' and that point has been reached far ago.

Wrong.  Just get more humans.  You aren't smart enough to figure out basic tactics.  Something 5 times the size of an elephant will still be killed without too much difficulty especially when using medieval era weapons rather than stone age spears.

It can fly and breathe fire. It has an INT score higher than most humans. It is hundreds of feet in length. Any creature with bones strong enough to not only support its weight at that size but strong enough to survive it FALLING is tougher than any real world creature to ever exist. You are not hunting it. You are being hunted.

Also what basic tactics are present in walking up to a 200 foot creature and whacking it to death?

Quote from: MeganovaStella on October 05, 2023, 06:01:35 PM

It can fly and breathe fire.
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Also what basic tactics are present in walking up to a 200 foot creature and whacking it to death?

Wrong moron.  Real animals cannot breathe fire nor fly if they are beyond certain size/weight ratios.  Did you parents beat you with a stupid stick everyday of your life?

Quote from: Scooter on October 05, 2023, 06:09:21 PM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on October 05, 2023, 06:01:35 PM

It can fly and breathe fire.
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Also what basic tactics are present in walking up to a 200 foot creature and whacking it to death?

Wrong moron.  Real animals cannot breathe fire nor fly if they are beyond certain size/weight ratios.  Did you parents beat you with a stupid stick everyday of your life?

I am talking about a OS DND red dragon. My argument is that no real life human could do jack fucking shit to the dragon as portrayed in ADND. Not even if there were 15 of them armed with steel spears and crossbows using the same tactics as those African hunters. Much less 5 dudes with swords.