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RPG's vs Adventure Games?

Started by RunningLaser, January 26, 2016, 10:35:29 AM

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TrippyHippy

#30
January 27, 2016, 09:03:21 PM
Quote from: Matt;875692Roleplaying is what Shawn Driscoll does by himself in his solo roleplaying games.

I've never heard it called that before.
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#31
January 27, 2016, 09:36:41 PM
Quote from: Skywalker;875566I see "Adventure Game" mostly used to sell an RPG to a wider non-RPG audience.

Right - or as a form of branding for an intro box set that's particularly complete in itself (with preset characters, stand ups, dice, etc), but doesn't require anything else.

But I believe the origin of "adventure game" predates the explosion of computer RPGs into the mainstream and more so was trying to ditch the term "role-playing game".
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#32
February 01, 2016, 11:36:56 AM
"Adventure Game" seems like a meaningless term to me. And I would suspect it is rooted in anti-regular-RPG sentiment.
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#33
February 01, 2016, 01:06:02 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;876435"Adventure Game" seems like a meaningless term to me. And I would suspect it is rooted in anti-regular-RPG sentiment.

Probably. Personally, I think it's a lot more rooted in the Satanic Panic, when if you played RPGs you were EVIL. Mike Stackpole first started using the term 'Adventure Games' at this time, at the first GAMA meeting (I'm a founding member, by the way), and was supported in this by Rick Loomis and Dave Arneson. (And it was also the name of Dave's little publishing company, too.) I haven't heard it being used in years, especially after the panic died down for lack of interest in the media.

TrippyHippy

#34
February 01, 2016, 08:22:15 PM
I think I recall Ryan Dancy trying to change the terminology of the D&D game to being an 'adventure game' as opposed to labelling it an 'RPG' in the early D20 days.

But yes, I generally think it's a pretty meaningless distinction.
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TristramEvans

#35
February 01, 2016, 08:48:25 PM
Quote from: Warthur;875549Shawn Driscoll is the one who was pushing this distinction in the MgT2 thread, though I confess I only have the haziest idea what he is talking about.

So far as I can tell, he believes that immersive roleplaying with the players making decisions from an in-character perspective based on what their characters would know and feel about a situation was basically not known in the early hobby - certainly it must be a post-1977 innovation, by his reckoning, since he classes Classic Traveller as an adventure game.

Presumably he sees adventure gaming as playing a tabletop RPG (or whatever you call the genre of games that includes adventure games and RPGs in Driscollworld) with no more identification with your PC than you'd have with a pawn in chess. I don't know anyone who takes that approach to RPGs who actually stuck with the hobby for long.

Discussions of immersion in the wargames community predate D&D by at least a few decades.

Omega

#36
February 01, 2016, 08:56:37 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;876435"Adventure Game" seems like a meaningless term to me. And I would suspect it is rooted in anti-regular-RPG sentiment.

Its meaningless to RPGs because its a term from outside RPGs. And terms within RPGs allready existed to cover the things Adventure Game supposedly is referring to in RPGs. And they mean different things outside of RPGs. The opposite thing even.

Warthur

#37
February 02, 2016, 03:32:29 AM
Quote from: TristramEvans;876517Discussions of immersion in the wargames community predate D&D by at least a few decades.
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Spinachcat

#38
February 02, 2016, 03:54:45 AM
Considering how RPG is completely co-opted by the video game world, I don't see a reason why Adventure Games would not be a more useful title moving forward for our hobby.

We tried to push the RPG vs. CRPG terms for a while, but the video game companies won and now RPG is their term and, at best, we have pen and paper RPG.

Omega

#39
February 02, 2016, 06:09:37 AM
CRPG is still in use. Problem is that with most any popular term there are people who will misuse it. MMO is one I see misused alot. Ive seen people slap "RPG" on PC games little more than tetris.

Eventually someone will brand their TTRPG as a MMO...

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#40
February 02, 2016, 07:35:55 AM
Quote from: estar;875551I don't know what Shawn Driscoll is talking about in AG versus RPGs.

These guys are adventure gaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVV4CCzFuY

TristramEvans

#41
February 02, 2016, 07:48:41 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;876587These guys are adventure gaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVV4CCzFuY

I don't think thats terminology that's going to catch on.

Warthur

#42
February 02, 2016, 08:14:32 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;876587These guys are adventure gaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGVV4CCzFuY
What specific features of what they are doing brings you to that conclusion? What specific things would they need to do to be roleplaying, in your eyes?
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