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So I'm new here after reading but rarely posting on rpg.net for years. This Bill Webb thing is the last straw.  I'm seeing people banned for posting "guyz...do you think maybe kinda sorta ruining a persons life over this is going too far?...maybe...sorta...a litttle?"  There are calls to ruin unrelated companies over this shit. I agree there should be consequences for sexual misconduct but the posts I'm reading are bullshit. I consider myself a "liberal" or whatever the fuck that means but I appreciate diversity of thought and thinking for yourself.  

So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Welcome to the rpgsite.

Greetings!

Indeed, Myleftnut, welcome to our forums here! The "Smoking Lamp" is lit. Pour yourself a good drink, and lite up a fine cigar. Make yourself at home here!

Freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and creativity are values that are cherished here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

  It's more like pre-moderation RPGNet. There's a lot of hostility towards "SJWs" and progressivism, but it's not enforced by moderator directives. If you have a thick skin, you can hold nearly any position short of outright calling for the deaths of members and survive here.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Oh yeah, we're all right wing alt-right fascist extremists here. Disagree with us and we'll sic 4chan on you! :D

Naw, this place is full of disagreement, and probably just as many or more disaffected liberals as conservatives. Plus a few doctrinaire Progressives to argue with. :)

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801I consider myself a "liberal" or whatever the fuck that means but I appreciate diversity of thought and thinking for yourself.

Liberal? Diversity of thought? You're obviously a Naughty Nazi!

Why should anyone think for themselves when Facebook's algorithms do that for you? You might accidentally start thinking the wrong thing and wind up joining theRPGsite! :eek:

Welcome aboard! :D

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense.

I don't know if we have much common sense, but we do have freedom of speech.

Many of us here fervently disagree with each other (and by fervently, I mean "choke on shit you ignorant motherfucker"), but we also fervently support the right for everyone to express themselves.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

You support diversity of thought and your forum name suspiciously points to the possibility you might have a sense of humor so you're probably a dreaded Alt-Right monster!!!

Here's the real deal about this place.

1) RPGPundit's personal forum is a wondrous political cesspool. Plenty of vomit from all political corners. If you want to avoid most politics and stick to gaming, ignore that forum.

2) Unfortunately, everything is political now so politics boils over into the main forum gaming threads IF the topic is something like the Bill Webb lawsuit or yet another RPG company engaging in activism. If you want to avoid politics and stick to gaming, ignore those threads.

3) If you're in a gaming thread that's just about gaming and one of us fucknuts starts crapping out our politics, call it out. Feel free to say "Yo fucknuts, stick to the OP and save the politics for Pundy's forum."

4) Too many of us enjoy threads that wander all over the damn place. I'm utterly guilty of this. If you start a thread about "Cool Shit Fighters Can Do" and we start babbling about cleric vs. mage spells, call that out too and refocus the thread OR have a great time wandering down our various weirdo paths.

This is a rare example of a site that is not over-moderated, and worse, moderated towards a particular agenda. As long as you don't try to talk about politics in this subforum (which is for gaming), you'll be fine.

You can disagree with someone, or even call them names, without silly filters blocking your words, or being told to "play nice" by the moderators. Everyone is expected to be a grown up and behave accordingly.

Quote from: Kiero;1084810Everyone is expected to be a grown up and behave accordingly.

Or nutbag teens on a deserted island.

Welcome myleftnut, I hope you enjoy your stay.

I use to come here to read and cooldown from political nonsense in RPGs. In the end, I became a poster. I should have done that a long time ago.

The only quirk that you might find here is that Story games go to "other games" section.

Have a great weekend

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm new here after reading but rarely posting on rpg.net for years. This Bill Webb thing is the last straw.  I'm seeing people banned for posting "guyz...do you think maybe kinda sorta ruining a persons life over this is going too far?...maybe...sorta...a litttle?"  There are calls to ruin unrelated companies over this shit. I agree there should be consequences for sexual misconduct but the posts I'm reading are bullshit. I consider myself a "liberal" or whatever the fuck that means but I appreciate diversity of thought and thinking for yourself.  

So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

What is the Bill Webb thing?

Quote from: CarlD.;1084817What is the Bill Webb thing?

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but he's a game designer whose work I like, who got drunk at con and offered a woman a cigarette and had his room number on his sleeve or something.  The woman took it as a sexual advance and now people on rpg.net are wanting him out off the hobby. If you believe restraint is needed you get banned.  Trying to boycott Steve Jackson Games over not being extreme enough in their response shows a dangerous precedent.  The level of outrage has become rabid on the site.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

This is the Mos Eisley Spaceport of RPG forums, or at least we like the sound of that. Welcome to the Adult Swim.

We are definitely not what the RPG.net critics have claimed us to be.

Quote from: jeff37923;1084820We are definitely not what the RPG.net critics have claimed us to be.

But we try hard to achieve that dream every day!

RPG.net critics? Bwahaha.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Welcome to the site!

Welcome to the site!

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Isnt every other site right wing compared to rpg.net?

Welcome to theRPGsite.  We oppress sjws daily and by that I mean we breathe.

Welcome comrade!

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Thanks for shout guys.  I don't mind things turning political especially with the way things are today. If site allows discussion like that it should be an exchange of ideas not a bunch of people echoing thoughts put in their heads by their overlords. I would hope I not be banned for disagreeing with a mod.  Political discussion seems to be just people blowing each other these days.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1084808Here's the real deal about this place.

1) RPGPundit's personal forum is a wondrous political cesspool. Plenty of vomit from all political corners. If you want to avoid most politics and stick to gaming, ignore that forum.

2) Unfortunately, everything is political now so politics boils over into the main forum gaming threads IF the topic is something like the Bill Webb lawsuit or yet another RPG company engaging in activism. If you want to avoid politics and stick to gaming, ignore those threads.

3) If you're in a gaming thread that's just about gaming and one of us fucknuts starts crapping out our politics, call it out. Feel free to say "Yo fucknuts, stick to the OP and save the politics for Pundy's forum."

4) Too many of us enjoy threads that wander all over the damn place. I'm utterly guilty of this. If you start a thread about "Cool Shit Fighters Can Do" and we start babbling about cleric vs. mage spells, call that out too and refocus the thread OR have a great time wandering down our various weirdo paths.

Okay somebody sticky this.

EDIT: Oh, and hi.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Depends on who you ask. Pundit allows a lot of discussion that he doesn't necessarily agree with. With the caveat that it's his site, and can shut down stuff in his forum simply for boring him.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084819Not sure if you're being sarcastic but he's a game designer whose work I like, who got drunk at con and offered a woman a cigarette and had his room number on his sleeve or something.  

For the non-smokers who may be thinking... wat?
I myself and quite a few smokers I know of fidget with our smokes. There's a layer of cellophane wrap that's left on the pack after you open it. It's nearly the right shape to put things in, like a credit card, hotel room card, I'd sometimes stick a bit of change in there. One things smoker's rarely forget is their smokes. When I heard that bit, I could totally relate, and I think it lends a bit of vermisilitude to the story.

Hello new friend!

Welcome to the forum.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084819Not sure if you're being sarcastic but he's a game designer whose work I like, who got drunk at con and offered a woman a cigarette and had his room number on his sleeve or something.

I wasn't. Thanks for the explanation.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

There are a few crazies mixed in - and when politics come up the wind blows a bit to the right - but it's nice that everyone says their piece.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm new here after reading but rarely posting on rpg.net for years. This Bill Webb thing is the last straw.  I'm seeing people banned for posting "guyz...do you think maybe kinda sorta ruining a persons life over this is going too far?...maybe...sorta...a litttle?"  There are calls to ruin unrelated companies over this shit. I agree there should be consequences for sexual misconduct but the posts I'm reading are bullshit. I consider myself a "liberal" or whatever the fuck that means but I appreciate diversity of thought and thinking for yourself.  

So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Greetings man. I just quit posting before I got banned. For now. I dunno, might have been banned for something I posted somewhere else. Haven't bothered checking.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084830I would hope I not be banned for disagreeing with a mod.  

Not only can you disagree with them, you can call them names! :D

As everyone else has said, welcome aboard the crazy train. Don't get the wrong idea about this place, though. Some of the posters here are actually quite nice and polite. Occasionally. If they've taken their meds that day.

I'm a little bit like you. I read rpg.net for years, posting occasionally when something would catch my eye. I finally gave up on the site several years ago when it just got too extreme. I still check it out occasionally because it does have some informative threads, but I know better than to post there given how even the most innocuous comment can be taken out of context. At least here, most of the people I've seen banned (a mere fraction of the number perma-banned at TBP) were actively begging for it.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm new here after reading but rarely posting on rpg.net for years. This Bill Webb thing is the last straw.  I'm seeing people banned for posting "guyz...do you think maybe kinda sorta ruining a persons life over this is going too far?...maybe...sorta...a litttle?"  There are calls to ruin unrelated companies over this shit. I agree there should be consequences for sexual misconduct but the posts I'm reading are bullshit. I consider myself a "liberal" or whatever the fuck that means but I appreciate diversity of thought and thinking for yourself.  

So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

I don't post often, but I read the fora here and have been part of the RPG community for a long time. My experience with this site has been more positive than any other moderated forum.

For example, I am an old school style game master who sits on the conservative side of libertarianism (TANSTAAFL.) This site allows me to express that and also allows me to exercise free speech and say things like:

Welcome aboard and I'm glad you came to talk about games with us, you asshole.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm new here after reading but rarely posting on rpg.net for years. This Bill Webb thing is the last straw.  I'm seeing people banned for posting "guyz...do you think maybe kinda sorta ruining a persons life over this is going too far?...maybe...sorta...a litttle?"  There are calls to ruin unrelated companies over this shit. I agree there should be consequences for sexual misconduct but the posts I'm reading are bullshit. I consider myself a "liberal" or whatever the fuck that means but I appreciate diversity of thought and thinking for yourself.  

So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Well... It's mostly democrats here on this forum. They are the louder group. But there is no cultural war here in this thread. Maybe in one of the political threads, outside of the RPG threads, there are democrats losing all their debates as expected.

Quote from: Beldar;1084859I am an old school style game master who sits on the conservative side of libertarianism (TANSTAAFL.)

Another Heinlein fan?

(TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. From The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein)

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

Nothing can be the equivalent of RPGnet lunacy ;-) !

I believe the owner of the site believes in free speech (the real deal, not the shitty "free speech BUT... for progressives ONLY, you Nazi cis-gendered oppressive colonialist dead white ablist scum person !").

Things can get a llittle rough verbally around here, but we're all grown up, and we can hopefully take it, aren't we ?

Anyway, I bid you welcome, fellow gamer !

Quote from: jeff37923;1084865Another Heinlein fan?

(TANSTAAFL = There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch. From The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein)

Indeed, citizen.

Welcome to wackyland.

Talk about RPGs.
Expect any given thread to wander off topic at least 1d10 times.
Expect all sorts of differing ideas on a topic.
Expect occasionally one of the resident village idiots try yet another sad attempt at trolling a thread.
Expect occasionally one of the storygamer, RPGnet or general SJW trolls to try another sad attempt at drive-by trolling.
Expect everyone else to discuss topics in a vaguely sane manner until Chris or one of the other regulars goes off their meds again.
Expect members to be fairly forgiving of your many and unforgivable faults.
Expect no mercy!

Quote from: Shasarak;1084826Welcome to the site!

Isnt every other site right wing compared to rpg.net?

Basically this. RPGNet will call you alt-right just for posting here. They'll call you alt-right for posting literally any thought that doesn't align with their group-think (which was already done in the OP). Hell, they'll even call you alt-right just for coming to this site out of curiosity to see what it's all about. But that doesn't make this site "right wing".

There are actually people on The Big Purple (TBP) that I like having conversations with. I just make a habit of staying away from basically any thread started by a moderator (if I could "ignore" the entirety of the mod staff, I would), or anything obviously set up to skew political in the subject. If you can manage that, the place isn't so bad - but it can go from zero to bat-shit-totally-off-the-rails-crazy in no time flat. I'm actually convinced if the mod staff in particular were to be evaluated, you'd be able to commit every last one to a mental institution.

This site, and it's people, are a lot of fun. It has it's quirks too though. For one thing my personal observation is that it skews heavily to favouring OSR style games, and due to Pundit's own views, anything considered "story game" will earn you some measure of ire. And there are a few personalities here who clearly can't stand each other. But what's refreshing about it is that most of the conversation will actually be, you know, about the games we all love.

Welcome to the site!

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

You have found that place. I'm thinner-skinned than many around here - I have a robustly-populated Ignore List. The conversation here is definitely rough-and-tumble.

There is the least tolerance among the posters here for the kinds of opinions that are de rigueur at RPG.net; in that sense, this place is the "anti-RPGnet", in the "matter-antimatter" sense. OTOH, this is not an echo chamber - it's a verbal mosh pit.

Sounds like you will do just fine here.

I'm also seeking safe harbour from the clusterfuck that is RPGnet. I visited there regularly since about 2005, and always liked the place. But no more. The fucking lunatics have taken over the asylum.

I consider myself socially liberal, but the hysteria that the whole Webb/SJG/FGG fiasco has generated has shown me that RPGnet is nothing but an Orwellian enclave of Right-Think, Double-Speak, and SJW echoing. The mods are Stalinists: not thinking the right way? On the fucking execution list. Dare to question the prevailing doctrine? Take a 6 year visit to this nice cold gulag. Dare to hold an opinion that's even vaguely conservative? You're clearly a Nazi.

I'm glad I found this place. It isn't the alt-right hotbed the fucking Stalinists have been purporting over at RPGKremlin; I've done my homework.

That aside, I play 5e, Call of Cthulhu (I actually do like 7!), Fate, and occasionally some Traveller. There you go.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1084898I'm also seeking safe harbour from the clusterfuck that is RPGnet. I visited there regularly since about 2005, and always liked the place. But no more. The fucking lunatics have taken over the asylum.

I consider myself socially liberal, but the hysteria that the whole Webb/SJG/FGG fiasco has generated has shown me that RPGnet is nothing but an Orwellian enclave of Right-Think, Double-Speak, and SJW echoing. The mods are Stalinists: not thinking the right way? On the fucking execution list. Dare to question the prevailing doctrine? Take a 6 year visit to this nice cold gulag. Dare to hold an opinion that's even vaguely conservative? You're clearly a Nazi.

I'm glad I found this place. It isn't the alt-right hotbed the fucking Stalinists have been purporting over at RPGKremlin; I've done my homework.

That aside, I play 5e, Call of Cthulhu (I actually do like 7!), Fate, and occasionally some Traveller. There you go.

Greetings!

Welcome aboard, BrokenCounsel! Welcome indeed, sir. Pour yourself a good drink, and light up a fine cigar! The "Smoking Lamp" is lit! You are definitely a member of the best forum now. 5E is awesome, too.:D

Whenever I have occasionally read RPG.Net...the posters there...my god, reading that nonsense gives me a headache. They remind me of the frothing SJW feminist freaks that filled my "Women's Studies" classes in college.

It's great to have you with us, BrokenCounsel!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1084899Greetings!

Welcome aboard, BrokenCounsel! Welcome indeed, sir. Pour yourself a good drink, and light up a fine cigar! The "Smoking Lamp" is lit! You are definitely a member of the best forum now. 5E is awesome, too.:D

Whenever I have occasionally read RPG.Net...the posters there...my god, reading that nonsense gives me a headache. They remind me of the frothing SJW feminist freaks that filled my "Women's Studies" classes in college.

It's great to have you with us, BrokenCounsel!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

That makes sense. I get the impression that most of them are humanities graduates.

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Listen, the feminists have a good fucking point. So do the LGBTQ+ crew. They have been marginalized. There is (insert)phobia out there. Society does need to change. But you don't do that by shutting down reasoned disagreement and opposition. What we're seeing at RPGnet is orchestrated hysteria where sober, rational argument is being machine gunned to fucking death by the Righteous.

Orwell got it bang on the money.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1084898I'm also seeking safe harbour from the clusterfuck that is RPGnet. I visited there regularly since about 2005, and always liked the place. But no more. The fucking lunatics have taken over the asylum.

I consider myself socially liberal, but the hysteria that the whole Webb/SJG/FGG fiasco has generated has shown me that RPGnet is nothing but an Orwellian enclave of Right-Think, Double-Speak, and SJW echoing. The mods are Stalinists: not thinking the right way? On the fucking execution list. Dare to question the prevailing doctrine? Take a 6 year visit to this nice cold gulag. Dare to hold an opinion that's even vaguely conservative? You're clearly a Nazi.

I'm glad I found this place. It isn't the alt-right hotbed the fucking Stalinists have been purporting over at RPGKremlin; I've done my homework.

That aside, I play 5e, Call of Cthulhu (I actually do like 7!), Fate, and occasionally some Traveller. There you go.

Welcome to the Mos Eisley Spaceport of gaming forums.

Traveller is most welcome here, but have you heard of Cepheus Engine by any chance?

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1084902Thanks for the warm welcome.

Listen, the feminists have a good fucking point. So do the LGBTQ+ crew. They have been marginalized. There is (insert)phobia out there. Society does need to change. But you don't do that by shutting down reasoned disagreement and opposition. What we're seeing at RPGnet is orchestrated hysteria where sober, rational argument is being machine gunned to fucking death by the Righteous.

Orwell got it bang on the money.

At the risk of bringing politics into a thread in the gaming forum, the (third wave) feminists don't have a point. They are utterly irrelevant, because the second wave succeeded: on most of the measures that matter, men and women are functionally equal in most developed world democracies. Thus all their Marxist-inspired agitation is designed not to make the sexes equal, but instead to subjugate men and masculinity.

You guys remember Ulairi?

He torched his RPG net account

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/sjg-is-continuing-to-work-with-accused-sexual-harasser-bill-webb-they-are-offering-partial-refunds-to-customers-see-redtext-appended-to-op.844606/page-49

Quote from: Lurtch;1084906You guys remember Ulairi?

He torched his RPG net account

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/sjg-is-continuing-to-work-with-accused-sexual-harasser-bill-webb-they-are-offering-partial-refunds-to-customers-see-redtext-appended-to-op.844606/page-49

Good for Ulari. That is one hell of a  way to make an exit and drop the mic imo.

Agreed and seconded on everything he said. Yet you will see some disingenuous troll here claim that this place is somehow the same if not significant worse than rpg.net.

Hopefully there'll be more of these.

Quote from: Kiero;1084904At the risk of bringing politics into a thread in the gaming forum, the (third wave) feminists don't have a point. They are utterly irrelevant, because the second wave succeeded: on most of the measures that matter, men and women are functionally equal in most developed world democracies. Thus all their Marxist-inspired agitation is designed not to make the sexes equal, but instead to subjugate men and masculinity.

Yeah, I agree with you.

Quote from: sureshot;1084908Good for Ulari. That is one hell of a  way to make an exit and drop the mic imo.

Agreed and seconded on everything he said. Yet you will see some disingenuous troll here claim that this place is somehow the same if not significant worse than rpg.net.

Greetings!

Indeed, my friend. What's with the stuffed-animal clutching Happy Barneys trying to smugly compare this forum with RPG.Net? There's no comparison to be made. The Big Purple is full of SJW freaks that embrace tyranny. This forum here has a variety of members, and the ethos here embraces freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and creativity. The two sites are as different as night and fucking day!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1084913Greetings!

Indeed, my friend. What's with the stuffed-animal clutching Happy Barneys trying to smugly compare this forum with RPG.Net? There's no comparison to be made. The Big Purple is full of SJW freaks that embrace tyranny. This forum here has a variety of members, and the ethos here embraces freedom of speech, freedom of thought, and creativity. The two sites are as different as night and fucking day!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This place is not perfect by any means and neither am I and many other posters. Their is a difference and to pretend otherwise is being blind on purpose imo.

Quote from: Kiero;1084904At the risk of bringing politics into a thread in the gaming forum, the (third wave) feminists don't have a point. They are utterly irrelevant, because the second wave succeeded: on most of the measures that matter, men and women are functionally equal in most developed world democracies. Thus all their Marxist-inspired agitation is designed not to make the sexes equal, but instead to subjugate men and masculinity.

Feminism has always had this issue. Charles Fourier, the man who invented feminism was a Marxist. From The Declaration of Sentiments, through The Red Stocking Manifest, to today's third or fourth wave, It's always had a core of viewing relations between the sexes as an oppressor/oppressed dynamic. Not everyone bought into that part, but it's still been a thread running through feminism from the beginning.

Quote from: SHARK;1084913What's with the stuffed-animal clutching Happy Barneys trying to smugly compare this forum with RPG.Net?

It's a low hanging fruit argument, for when the poster has run out of insightful comments. They may as well call us "poopy heads", for all I care.

QuoteTraveller is most welcome here, but have you heard of Cepheus Engine by any chance?

Yeah I have. Not played it, but it's a Traveller retroclone, right? Original Traveller and MongTrav meet all my group's needs, but there's always merit in something new, so I may check it out.

I mean, in a world where Camille Paglia is considered alt-right, you know you've gone completely over the edge from reason and into extremism. And, yes, I've seen Camille Paglia be called a "right winger" on TBP. It's fucking insane. My best guess is she committed the "crime" of having reasoned discourse with Jordon Peterson once.

Back to gaming. OP, any preference for Traveller edition? Not that it matters, but CT happens to be my favorite game (I like both Mongoose editions too though) and I think we could do with more Traveller / Cepheus Engine love around here. Or anywhere.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1084920It's a low hanging fruit argument, for when the poster has run out of insightful comments. They may as well call us "poopy heads", for all I care.

Greetings!

Thankyou, my friend! I agree. It seems smarmy and disingenious to me, as well. If this is *such a terrible place* that is the equivalent to TBP, why are they soiling themselves by wading into the right-wing swamp here?:D Maybe it suggests a deep need on their part for masochism and self-degradation? LOL! Their tone always makes me think they are so smug and self-righteous, it's like, whoa, dude? I just love how they bravely lower themselves to walk amongst us here. It's like their "slumming" it here, away from perfumed salons of deep academic polish and such high social refinement! It's such an evil, savage place here!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

All are welcome. I am as liberal as they come, for example.

I just ignore the more extreme views, if they come up.

Huh, well, someone had to say it I suppose and Ulari is someone.  I'm not sure where the line is between group and personal attacks is.  I feel like the British guy on the Tangency food thread who, after reading a description of biscuits and gravy declared, "I'm not even sure I know what sausage, biscuits, and gravy are anymore."

Quote from: Lurtch;1084906You guys remember Ulairi?

He torched his RPG net account

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/sjg-is-continuing-to-work-with-accused-sexual-harasser-bill-webb-they-are-offering-partial-refunds-to-customers-see-redtext-appended-to-op.844606/page-49

  What was the image? The mods deleted it before I could see it.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1084929What was the image? The mods deleted it before I could see it.

A public shaming in Maoist China. Why remove the picture and not the post...

Well, i have found this place to be pretty wide open; topic-wise.  You should be able to get your RPG discussion fix here.

Quote from: Kiero;1084904At the risk of bringing politics into a thread in the gaming forum, the (third wave) feminists don't have a point. They are utterly irrelevant, because the second wave succeeded: on most of the measures that matter, men and women are functionally equal in most developed world democracies. Thus all their Marxist-inspired agitation is designed not to make the sexes equal, but instead to subjugate men and masculinity.

Yep.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1084902Thanks for the warm welcome.

Listen, the feminists have a good fucking point. So do the LGBTQ+ crew. They have been marginalized. There is (insert)phobia out there. Society does need to change. But you don't do that by shutting down reasoned disagreement and opposition. What we're seeing at RPGnet is orchestrated hysteria where sober, rational argument is being machine gunned to fucking death by the Righteous.

Orwell got it bang on the money.

Somewhere along the line, the idea seemed to morph from persuading people about progressive ideas, to making them socially (and eventually legally) mandatory.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm new here after reading but rarely posting on rpg.net for years. This Bill Webb thing is the last straw.  I'm seeing people banned for posting "guyz...do you think maybe kinda sorta ruining a persons life over this is going too far?...maybe...sorta...a litttle?"

REPORTED!

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1084898I'm also seeking safe harbour from the clusterfuck that is RPGnet. I visited there regularly since about 2005, and always liked the place. But no more. The fucking lunatics have taken over the asylum.

I consider myself socially liberal, but the hysteria that the whole Webb/SJG/FGG fiasco has generated has shown me that RPGnet is nothing but an Orwellian enclave of Right-Think, Double-Speak, and SJW echoing.

REPORTED!




Just kidding. Welcome to the dark side.  I share your feelings and despair over what rpgnet has become.  I flamed out/banned myself when they decreed that expressing anything less than full unqualified condemnation of ICE was verboten.

You'll be ok here.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1084923I mean, in a world where Camille Paglia is considered alt-right, you know you've gone completely over the edge from reason and into extremism. And, yes, I've seen Camille Paglia be called a "right winger" on TBP. It's fucking insane. My best guess is she committed the "crime" of having reasoned discourse with Jordon Peterson once.

Camilia's fun. She's very progressive and radical, but recognizes that there is value in conservative, traditional ideas.
One of her big "sins" is to say that there is an aspect of transgenderism that is a social fad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8BRdwgPChQ

QuoteOne of her big "sins" is to say that there is an aspect of transgenderism that is a social fad.

Yeah, that right there is akin to Holocaust denial and voting for Trump.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1084945Yeah, that right there is akin to Holocaust denial and voting for Trump.

Hey, I "did" vote for Trump.....  MAGA!!!  Bwahaha!!!

Quote from: Joey2k;1084938REPORTED!



REPORTED!




Just kidding. Welcome to the dark side.  I share your feelings and despair over what rpgnet has become.  I flamed out/banned myself when they decreed that expressing anything less than full unqualified condemnation of ICE was verboten.

You'll be ok here.

I had forgotten about the whole ICE thing. There was also a time when they basically said any form of support for Trump was verboten. I can't remember the exact phrasing of it, but that's how I remember it.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1084948I had forgotten about the whole ICE thing. There was also a time when they basically said any form of support for Trump was verboten. I can't remember the exact phrasing of it, but that's how I remember it.

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration)

Welcome myleftnut. Speak freely. Be yourself. You will not have goose-stepping mods shove their boots down your throat over dissenting opinions here. Post what you like. Tell people off. This is a platform where your speech may not necessarily be agreed with, but it will certainly be respected.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1084950https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration (https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?835849-New-Ban-Do-Not-Post-In-Support-of-Trump-or-his-Administration)

Disgusting.  I'm not even a Trump supporter.  Shit like that is the reason for the polarization of our society. How are you going to protest a free election?  We're a divided country and the anti-Trump crowd started it.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084953Disgusting.  I'm not even a Trump supporter.  Shit like that is the reason for the polarization of our society. How are you going to protest a free election?  We're a divided country and the anti-Trump crowd started it.

What is more disgusting is that some on the site to be part of the so called cool kids club just blindly accept such totalitarian banning on the website. All it took was to throw away any and all self-respect they had. Apparently though we are just as bad if not even more worse than rpg.net. Go figure.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084953We're a divided country and the anti-Trump crowd started it.

No, they didn't. To say so is only by not paying attention clearly to what all of the major political parties are actually doing. It is disingenuous statement, and trolling too boot. good luck with that.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084953We're a divided country and the anti-Trump crowd started it.

This isn't exactly true. But yes, to the rest of your statement, we need to respect democracy in the form we currently get to enjoy it. Even if it makes our butts sore (and it has done mine in several times). Respect the process and the people around you and your nation.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1084959No, they didn't. To say so is only by not paying attention clearly to what all of the major political parties are actually doing. It is disingenuous statement, and trolling too boot. good luck with that.

Fair enough.  My perspective is from what I see in my state. Every Trump supporter is nazi and every naysayer is a cuck.

I recall one instance when they prohibited a user from declaring he was Catholic. I should quit that day, but I didn't. One of my regrets.

Like the laws of robotics, the good discussions that attract me to that forum were strong enough to surpass the forces that repel me from that site. But it was a matter of time to leave the site.

Sorry to go off the rails.  The OP is about free speech on internet gaming forums.  Mods feel free to move this to another sub forum if it needs.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084964Sorry to go off the rails.  The OP is about free speech on internet gaming forums.  Mods feel free to move this to another sub forum if it needs.

You're probably fine here. Just try to keep it gaming-related. We pretty much all understand the ridiculousness of the outrage against SJG, it's embarrassing and misdirected and hollow. Welcome to the forum. Hope you get into some TFT soon if that's your bag.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084964Sorry to go off the rails.  The OP is about free speech on internet gaming forums.  Mods feel free to move this to another sub forum if it needs.

Greetings!

Welcome to the free speech zone, my friend! Yeah, it's *crystal clear* to me that the Liberal SJW's have been doing their damndest to drag this country into the cesspool. Any stupidity on the part of right-wing elements are, at the end of the day, far less frequent, more isolated, and thoroughly on the fringe. The Liberal SJW's have the entertainment industry, the media, academia, and half of the politicians all drinking their socialist/globalist Koolaid, plus hordes of bizarre, degenerate freaks chanting in the streets. The most severe problem in this country is from the *Left*. Anyone who can't see that clear truth is at best deluded and naive.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1084967Greetings!

Welcome to the free speech zone, my friend! Yeah, it's *crystal clear* to me that the Liberal SJW's have been doing their damndest to drag this country into the cesspool. Any stupidity on the part of right-wing elements are, at the end of the day, far less frequent, more isolated, and thoroughly on the fringe. The Liberal SJW's have the entertainment industry, the media, academia, and half of the politicians all drinking their socialist/globalist Koolaid, plus hordes of bizarre, degenerate freaks chanting in the streets. The most severe problem in this country is from the *Left*. Anyone who can't see that clear truth is at best deluded and naive.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

SHARK, we haven't interacted much but I wanted to finally say, thank you for your service. And don't ever drink the kool-aid.

This site has it issues but in fairness the main forums have less enforced attidue/hugbox/Happiness is Mandatory style tone policing. I mean, I'm no Trump fan (at all) but apparently you can't just not support him, but you can bitch about him too much: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/trump-spreads-horrific-abortion-narrative-at-wisconsin-rally.845191/#post-22558550

Quote from: Triggered ModModerator Text:
This is the 7th Trump thread on the first page of Tangency. We do not need a new thread for every vile thing Trump says or does. We don't even need a goddamn megathread. Tangency is depressing enough as-is without the constant "see what new horrendous thing Trump is doing" that keeps happening.

Please, please, please post more happy, positive, cool, neat things here in Tangency. Please.

I mean, there is no freedom of speech right in private settings. Venues can restrict largely what they want (IANAL, so there may be some legalities I am not aware of) but the reaction topics generate and to people bringing them up says much about the ostensible culture of the place in question.

I mean, Hell, if you feel there is not much discussion of a certain topic POST some fucking guidelines don't jump on individuals because the'yre not psychically aware you're getting fed, butthurt or fee-fee bruised. :rolleyes:

Quote from: sureshot;1084955What is more disgusting is that some on the site to be part of the so called cool kids club just blindly accept such totalitarian banning on the website. All it took was to throw away any and all self-respect they had. Apparently though we are just as bad if not even more worse than rpg.net. Go figure.

I agree with you sureshot.

It may just be because I am argumentative but if you have a different opinion then just bring it at me bro.  If I am wrong then I want to know because who wants to go through life being wrong.

Quote from: Shasarak;1084979I agree with you sureshot.

It may just be because I am argumentative but if you have a different opinion then just bring it at me bro.  If I am wrong then I want to know because who wants to go through life being wrong.

We may had disagreements yet that is to be expected on a non-echo chamber style forum. It's when posters who have been posting here for a long time say nothing about the content of the site. Or worse when it is factual and proven that their are worse gaming websites to post here that we are just as bad as them. It is either trolling, or being disingenuous. Don't like it here everyone is entitled to their opinion. Don't then post on the same site and not to be called out as a hypocrite for doing so.

If you're not agreeing with and cursing out the same posters based on different topics, you're probably in an echo chamber

Quote from: Lurtch;1084981If you're not agreeing with and cursing out the same posters based on different topics, you're probably in an echo chamber

The difference here is while you and I have major disagreements on some topics. I'm also not calling you out and making you out to be say one of the resident nutjobs over at rpg.net. At this point equating this forum and the people in it as the same as them is being denser than Wolverine Admantium claws. Their is a clear difference between both places and one has to be purposefully deaf, dumb and blind in the extreme not to notice at this point. It is like insisting no matter what that a controlled camp fire is the same as an out of control forest fire.

Quote from: Lurtch;1084981If you're not agreeing with and cursing out the same posters based on different topics, you're probably in an echo chamber

Fuck you stupid idiot.;)

Quote from: Lurtch;1084933A public shaming in Maoist China. Why remove the picture and not the post...

A picture is worth a thousand words?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1084986A picture is worth a thousand words?

Ya.  It articulated the poster's point too well so it had to be removed.  Seeing it might have influenced the sheep.

Quote from: myleftnut;1084987Ya.  It articulated the poster's point too well so it had to be removed.  Seeing it might have influenced the sheep.

It kind of did actually because metaphorically the picture pretty much summed up the state of the site. The sheep would have done nothing. For fear of being ostracized from the hobby they threw all every shred of self-respect they had to be part of that community. Most posters know and they don't care or the rpg equivalent of being afraid of their jobs. Either way whatever the reason not impressed.

Quote from: sureshot;1084982The difference here is while you and I have major disagreements on some topics. I'm also not calling you out and making you out to be say one of the resident nutjobs over at rpg.net. At this point equating this forum and the people in it as the same as them is being denser than Wolverine Admantium claws. Their is a clear difference between both places and one has to be purposefully deaf, dumb and blind in the extreme not to notice at this point. It is like insisting no matter what that a controlled camp fire is the same as an out of control forest fire.

And I bet if you ever were in Phoenix or I was where you are we could throw dice and have a great time playing and not ever care about internet nonsense

Quote from: sureshot;1084980We may had disagreements yet that is to be expected on a non-echo chamber style forum. It's when posters who have been posting here for a long time say nothing about the content of the site. Or worse when it is factual and proven that their are worse gaming websites to post here that we are just as bad as them. It is either trolling, or being disingenuous. Don't like it here everyone is entitled to their opinion. Don't then post on the same site and not to be called out as a hypocrite for doing so.

At least you are not one of those Star Wars apologists!  Fuck those guys ;)

Hi there! Welcome.

Overall, it's pretty good here.

I used to hang out at rpg.net years ago, but it got so uncomfortable, I moved on.
I didn't get banned or whatever, but I could see it coming sooner or later if I had stayed, so I just left.

Ironically, I think I found this forum via a thread on rpg.net that was slagging off this site.  lol!

Quote from: Lurtch;1084906You guys remember Ulairi?

He torched his RPG net account

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/sjg-is-continuing-to-work-with-accused-sexual-harasser-bill-webb-they-are-offering-partial-refunds-to-customers-see-redtext-appended-to-op.844606/page-49

Yeah his last post was hysterical! He left on his own terms!

Quote from: CanBeOnlyOne;1085001Yeah his last post was hysterical! He left on his own terms!

Lol Awesome! :D

Quote from: danskmacabre;1084999Ironically, I think I found this forum via a thread on rpg.net that was slagging off this site.  lol!

Yeah for me it was about how we don't talk about RPGPundit and I thought, "I don't know who that is, but Google is my friend, so...". And, for better or worse, this is now where I like to mostly lurk and occasionally actually engage in the discussion.

There appears to be a purge going on for some reason or another. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?forums/infractions.138/) Maybe the new mods are trying to make quota like cops and speeding tickets?

I've never quite understood what hunting trophy case of a forum is for (once you've been banned you can't log into it or even to see the message that says when you were banned. :confused:) If you're locked out of thread you can't post in it again so telling making a big public ado about it is just another form of public shaming I guess.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1085003Yeah for me it was about how we don't talk about RPGPundit and I thought, "I don't know who that is, but Google is my friend, so...". And, for better or worse, this is now where I like to mostly lurk and occasionally actually engage in the discussion.

Lol. I think what happened for me was, there was this thread there pointing out how terrible this place is with a link to a thread here as damning evidence.
So I followed that and the rest is history.

Quote from: CarlD.;1085004There appears to be a purge going on for some reason or another. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?forums/infractions.138/) Maybe the new mods are trying to make quota like cops and speeding tickets?

I've never quite understood what hunting trophy case of a forum is for (once you've been banned you can't log into it or even to see the message that says when you were banned. :confused:) If you're locked out of thread you can't post in it again so telling making a big public ado about it is just another form of public shaming I guess.

  It wasn't private until just a few months ago; it was purportedly for 'transparency', but nowadays, who knows?

Quote from: CanBeOnlyOne;1085001Yeah his last post was hysterical! He left on his own terms!

I agree that it is humor of the highest level and it got a chuckle out of me. But just think of the state of things when simple truth is hilarious.

Ya the hard on parts of the community have for RPGpundit is the only reason I knew about this place.  I personally will still be using the site for trades.  I hope this site and rpgpub (which I was just told about) will meet my game discussion needs.

Quote from: Lurtch;1084906You guys remember Ulairi?

He torched his RPG net account

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/sjg-is-continuing-to-work-with-accused-sexual-harasser-bill-webb-they-are-offering-partial-refunds-to-customers-see-redtext-appended-to-op.844606/page-49

Good riddance too as he was getting steadily more irrational.

Quote from: myleftnut;1085009Ya the hard on parts of the community have for RPGpundit is the only reason I knew about this place.  I personally will still be using the site for trades.  I hope this site and rpgpub (which I was just told about) will meet my game discussion needs.

Rpgpub is fairly inoffensive (in a general sense, I'm not using the SJW definition), that's about all I can say for it. It could use a little spark.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1085006It wasn't private until just a few months ago; it was purportedly for 'transparency', but nowadays, who knows?

Oh, Thank you. I didn't interact much with the mods.

Oh, so either: Inertia, they're too lazy to change it, ineptitude, they don't know how to change it or Ego, they like it just fine as a spot where they can display their "Kills" as examples to the others.

Or some combination of those.

Welcome new people! Also a social liberal who detests censorship, stalinism and being told what to do. TheRPGSite is free speech and free gamers hanging out like regular people shoot the shit around a gaming table. It's about as fucking real as real can get.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1084959No, they didn't. To say so is only by not paying attention clearly to what all of the major political parties are actually doing. It is disingenuous statement, and trolling too boot. good luck with that.

We are a divided country.  Politics is a high stakes business sector.  Like it or not, to the winning party go the spoils.  Both parties run their own rackets.  And that is the very stuff that shouldn't be part of RPGs, unless your RPG is openly about politics.  It pisses me off to see a bunch of out of place propaganda in my new $35-$50 RPG book.

so, what was the image?

it has been purged for wrongthink apparently.

I have this ongoing fantasy where I win the lottery, like big time, and I buy rpg.net and either shut the place down or give it to Pundit

so, what was the image?

it has been purged for wrongthink apparently.

I have this ongoing fantasy where I win the lottery, like big time, and I buy rpg.net and either shut the place down or give it to Pundit

(also don't forget the PTB at TBP also check your social media accounts to make sure you don't express any bad thinking off the site. but they aren't an echo chamber or a bunch of evil psychos.)

Quote from: Lurtch;1084906You guys remember Ulairi?

He torched his RPG net account

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/sjg-is-continuing-to-work-with-accused-sexual-harasser-bill-webb-they-are-offering-partial-refunds-to-customers-see-redtext-appended-to-op.844606/page-49

This was hilarious. Thanks for pointing it out.

Heh that was an easy kiss-off. At least Ulairi had the good sense to do it. Many of us didn't get that opportunity, heh.


Edit: I need to use "Jacobins" as an epithet more. Also "Naughty Hitler".

M2A0 burns an account:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-youtube-video-claims-a-lawyer-is-representing-frog-god-games-in-suing-bill-webbs-accuser-and-others-read-redtext-appended-to-op.844987/page-16

Sad to think this type of honest feedback still won't actually knock much kool-aid out of the "woke" heads over there. I am curious to see how many new members end up arriving in the next few days, though.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1085137M2A0 burns an account:

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/a-youtube-video-claims-a-lawyer-is-representing-frog-god-games-in-suing-bill-webbs-accuser-and-others-read-redtext-appended-to-op.844987/page-16

Sad to think this type of honest feedback still won't actually knock much kool-aid out of the "woke" heads over there. I am curious to see how many new members end up arriving in the next few days, though.

   Unfortunately, that post is in the section barred to those who have left or are under the ban of Lilith and the Erinyes. :) (Seriously, between the Webb thread, the TotalCon thread, and other controversies, I've been struck by how merciless and vindictive the general climate is over there. Whether they're right or wrong, the sheer absence of charity is frightening even for the Internet.) Care to reproduce?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1085146Unfortunately, that post is in the section barred to those who have left or are under the ban of Lilith and the Erinyes. :) (Seriously, between the Webb thread, the TotalCon thread, and other controversies, I've been struck by how merciless and vindictive the general climate is over there. Whether they're right or wrong, the sheer absence of charity is frightening even for the Internet.) Care to reproduce?

Ha, shit, of course.

Quote from: M2A0;1085146Wow! So you're telling BJ she shouldn't use her own name? This place has become intolerable. It's only a matter of time until you Jacobins devour your own.

After 19 years, I'm done with this cesspool of groupthink, I'll take that sweet perma-ban please.

This in response to someone crying about BJ Hensley using her own name and specifically encouraging people "not to worry about [trying to hide/censor it]" because the cat's already out of the bag.

Edit: Pffthaha. And someone just got banned for having a "Trump 2020" logo as their avatar. "If you want to support prejudice, racism and grift, do so elsewhere."

I mean I know they have a rule about saying literally anything in support of Trump, it's still no less funny to me the amount of fucking irony dripping from every last word those mods type.

Quote from: remial;1085033so, what was the image?

it has been purged for wrongthink apparently.

I have this ongoing fantasy where I win the lottery, like big time, and I buy rpg.net and either shut the place down or give it to Pundit

(also don't forget the PTB at TBP also check your social media accounts to make sure you don't express any bad thinking off the site. but they aren't an echo chamber or a bunch of evil psychos.)

I've entertained a similar fantasy - but never in my fantasies imagine that RPG.Net is actually worth that much. Makes me wonder between their membership drives and advertising what their actual net worth is.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1085180I've entertained a similar fantasy - but never in my fantasies imagine that RPG.Net is actually worth that much. Makes me wonder between their membership drives and advertising what their actual net worth is.

Tens of dollars. Facebook and other social media have killed their traffic.

Quote from: Lurtch;1085182Tens of dollars. Facebook and other social media have killed their traffic.

A part of me thinks that's waaaay closer to the mark than we'll probably ever know.

Quote from: Lurtch;1085182Tens of dollars. Facebook and other social media have killed their traffic.

At that price, I'd buy it just to turn it over to Pundit as a Christmas present. :)

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1085185A part of me thinks that's waaaay closer to the mark than we'll probably ever know.

Does anyone have any hard numbers?

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense. I don't know much about this forum other than from critics and registered without really reading a lot of the content. So I have a question.  Is this just a "right wing" equivalent to rpg.net or are all options welcome?

There's just as much ash and trash here. You just won't see many bans. Not everyone here is right wing. Those who are are very easy to spot. Indeed, all the bullshit tends to be clearly labeled, so you can steer clear of the same ol’ (re)hash, or engage at your peril. Be sure to sample some of the ironly, including people bitching about “echo chambers” while being perpetually lodged inside of one.

Quote from: Antiquation!Edit: Pffthaha. And someone just got banned for having a "Trump 2020" logo as their avatar. "If you want to support prejudice, racism and grift, do so elsewhere."

I mean I know they have a rule about saying literally anything in support of Trump, it's still no less funny to me the amount of fucking irony dripping from every last word those mods type.

Guilty as charged.

Quote from: shoplifter;1085200Guilty as charged.

Welcome brother. Ballsy move.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1085202Welcome brother. Ballsy move.

Well we did need myrightnut to collect the whole set.

Welcome shoplifter.

Quote from: CarlD.;1085187Does anyone have any hard numbers?

I talked to someone on an IRC chat who at one point was looking into buying rpg.net out from Shannon (or whoever the head fucktard is), and while they refused to sell, the discovery revealed they (the owner) was worth between 10 and 40 thousand.

and yeah, in my fantasy, I know I'd be throwing money away, but I'd be doing it to drive home a point.

Welcome aboard!

More people need to abandon RPGnet and tell the whiny hipsters, punks, and other Neo-Bolshevik scum at Big Purple to fuck off and quit trying to ruin our hobby.

Anime rules, Marvel and DC suck, and in a perfect world, the 1970's would have ended with Punk dying and Disco surviving!

The RPG Site is awesome and RPGnet is a cancer upon our hobby.

Commie Punks Fuck Off!

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085213Welcome aboard!

More people need to abandon RPGnet and tell the whiny hipsters, punks, and other Neo-Bolshevik scum at Big Purple to fuck off and quit trying to ruin our hobby.

YES!

QuoteAnime rules, Marvel and DC suck, and in a perfect world, the 1970's would have ended with Punk dying and Disco surviving!

Dude. What the actual fuck?

QuoteThe RPG Site is awesome and RPGnet is a cancer upon our hobby.

YES!

QuoteCommie Punks Fuck Off!

YES!

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1085215YES!



Dude. What the actual fuck?



YES!



YES!

Just being honest. I love anime and hate MCU capeshit. The old Marvel stuff was good though.

Also, I love disco and hate punk music and the inherently contrarian and Marxist punk subculture (as well as Punk's bastard children such as Goths, Emos, and Hipsters)

It doesn't help that a lot of the RPGnet and Onyx Path scumbags are self-identified Gothic-Punk and Anarcho-Communist SJW dipshits.

Let's stick it to the Neo-Bolsheviks and have a Punk Demolition Night followed by an anime marathon and a gaming weekend where we play D&D and other games that are actually fun and not boring pretentious "woke" garbage.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1085215Dude. What the actual fuck?

Doc Sammy's got some interesting opinions.

Marvel used to be good, but the MCU and the SJW hacks at the current Marvel ruined it.

That and the untalented hack Joss Whedon.

I see the Neo-Bolshevik SJW propaganda of 2010's Marvel and the cinematic crime against humanity that is the MCU and I realize something...

Stan Lee is rolling in his grave and Aunt May is rolling on top of him.

Seriously, Whedon is a one-hit wonder whose only good work was Buffy and that was it.

All his other works sucked. Firefly is highly overrated and stinks worse than an anchovy's cunt, and the only way Joss can redeem himself is to take a page from the playbook of The Bloopers Guy from Robot Chicken.

[video=youtube;dOiqj3lsOow]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOiqj3lsOow[/youtube]

There you lost me. I'm a huge Firefly / Serenity fan.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1085220There you lost me. I'm a huge Firefly / Serenity fan.

Well, to each their own. If you like Firefly, that's cool by me.

But I don't like it at all

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085213Welcome aboard!

More people need to abandon RPGnet and tell the whiny hipsters, punks, and other Neo-Bolshevik scum at Big Purple to fuck off and quit trying to ruin our hobby.

Anime rules, Marvel and DC suck, and in a perfect world, the 1970's would have ended with Punk dying and Disco surviving!

The RPG Site is awesome and RPGnet is a cancer upon our hobby.

Commie Punks Fuck Off!

Let me correct my misguided peer here:
Anime seriously sucks, Marvel and DC are overhyped (the best American masked hero was the original: Zorro :)), and European comics rock. :D (the rest is OK)

Anyway, welcome on board!

Quote from: Trond;1085223Let me correct my misguided peer here:
Anime seriously sucks, Marvel and DC are overhyped (the best American masked hero was the original: Zorro :)), and European comics rock. :D (the rest is OK)

Anyway, welcome on board!

Anime is awesome, you capeshit-loving pleb.

Quote from: Trond;1085223Let me correct my misguided peer here:
Anime seriously sucks, Marvel and DC are overhyped (the best American masked hero was the original: Zorro :)), and European comics rock. :D (the rest is OK)

Anyway, welcome on board!

Wolverine, Ghost Rider, and Doctor Strange for the win!!!

Quote from: Razor 007;1085226Wolverine, Ghost Rider, and Doctor Strange for the win!!!

Motoko Kusanagi, Spike Spiegel, and Levi Ackerman for the win!

Wolverine is an overrated hack, Ghost Rider is a "literally who" figure that Nicolas Cage played in a shitty movie, and Doctor Strange should be burned at the stake for witchcraft.

Quote from: Shasarak;1085207Well we did need myrightnut to collect the whole set.

I'm glad I was able to at least start a conversation. You know what?  Because I can here...I'm in a free speech kinda mood. :D

I'm only in my late thirties but I remember a time when ideologies were formulated by speaking with people and reading books. Those days are over. Like someone said in this thread it's algorithms that dictate ideas now. Along with the pathetic and twisted people online pushing their empty causes.  For a long time I thought people into RPG were different.  They are books after all and are about thinking, creativity and expression. Reading that cock sucking shit on rpgnet makes me realize that's no longer true.  Where are the geeks I knew as a kid?  They've been replaced by pleasure androids sucking each other's dicks.  Or pussies don't accuse me of sexism now!  I joined this place out of sheer frustration.  I may not agree with the "conservative" idealogs here but at least we can have a conversation without me being banned.  

Oh and just so you don't confuse me with a right wing conservative.  To the people who are getting pissed on by Trump or whoever else and are convinced it's raining....Get off this man's dick!

Who the fuck cares at what corner of the world do you get your comics and cartoons from?  As long as it isn't horrible and/or dripping with SJW bullshit it is all good.

Quote from: myleftnut;1085233I'm glad I was able to at least start a conversation. You know what?  Because I can here...I'm in a free speech kinda mood. :D

I'm only in my late thirties but I remember a time when ideologies were formulated by speaking with people and reading books. Those days are over. Like someone said in this thread it's algorithms that dictate ideas now. Along with the pathetic and twisted people online pushing their empty causes.  For a long time I thought people into RPG were different.  They are books after all and are about thinking, creativity and expression. Reading that cock sucking shit on rpgnet makes me realize that's no longer true.  Where are the geeks I knew as a kid?  They've been replaced by pleasure androids sucking each other's dicks.  Or pussies don't accuse me of sexism now!  I joined this place out of sheer frustration.  I may not agree with the "conservative" idealogs here but at least we can have a conversation without me being banned.  

Oh and just so you don't confuse me with a right wing conservative.  To the people who are getting pissed on by Trump or whoever else and are convinced it's raining....Get off this man's dick!

Wait a second, they have pleasure androids?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1085217Doc Sammy's likes to troll the site.

Fixed that for you.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085224Anime is awesome, you capeshit-loving pleb.

Rapeime.

Now go back to your troll cave.

Quote from: Trond;1085223the best American masked hero was the original: Zorro :)

And given a shout-out in one of the BECMI Gazetteers (Glantri IIRC) as Manuel of the Plains..... :D

Quote from: Omega;1085245Fixed that for you.

I ain't no troll, I love this site.

My opinions are honest and true.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085294I ain't no troll.

I love this site.

My opinions are honest and true.

These conditions are not mutually exclusive.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085294I love this site.

My opinions are honest and true.

These two facts  don't necessarily prove

Quote from: Doc SammyI ain't no troll,  

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085294I ain't no troll, I love this site.

My opinions are honest and true.

  That I don't doubt. You do have a tendency to conflate everything you like or dislike, though, which some people can find confusing or offputting.

Hi new people!

I stopped posting at TBP a few years ago, I think. Exactly the day they put up the rainbow flag to celebrate The U.S. legalization of gay marriage. Not for the reason that I would be against gay marriage, but for the reason I don't want to think politics when wanting to talk about elfgames. That is the same reason I don't post here often...

Anyway, I reactivated my account to the TBP just for the purposes of burning it! All ideas and farewell comments are welcome for my burn post!

Flame away!!! :D:D:D

Howdy new members! :)

I left TBP shortly after I joined because I found no 'there' there.

It was a time in rpg.net when:
a) Proselytizers preached FATE worked for all your gaming needs... all the time,
b) Storygames were having their last ascendant hurrah in trying to supplant rpgs as The Finally-Realized, Only True RPGs,
c) and the Sun Shone Forth from D&D 4e's Ass, finally bringing back the Almighty Balance to the unenlightened unwashed.

I don't miss it. :) Welcome to here instead.

Also, you will have friends here -- being neither Ctrl-Left or Alt-Right -- merely want to spread the eschatological gospel (end-of-the-world good news!) of the Del-All. :) Come, have a flower. Let's dance amidst entropy's glory! :D

I'm new here too. The SJWs remind me so much of racists and how they feel just being what they are (or claim to be) makes them nobles, while everyone not like them are some sort of crisis to be dealt with. But, the sum total of all their farnarkling = Sad Comas & group hugs --- because the majority of the hobby either doesn't know they exist, or, doesn't care.

This site is cool in that I can post as I enjoy and not worry about getting bloodied by some Edgelord-mod-Will Wheaton-wannabe moderator. The opinions and freedom of expression here is refreshing. Pundit, please don't sell this site to Skotos aka Skynet and PLEASE, let SJWs post freely here. I like cutting the tires on their bicycles ;)

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085412I'm new here too. The SJWs remind me so much of racists and how they feel just being what they are (or claim to be) makes them nobles, while everyone not like them are some sort of crisis to be dealt with. But, the sum total of all their farnarkling = Sad Comas & group hugs --- because the majority of the hobby either doesn't know they exist, or, doesn't care.

This site is cool in that I can post as I enjoy and not worry about getting bloodied by some Edgelord-mod-Will Wheaton-wannabe moderator. The opinions and freedom of expression here is refreshing. Pundit, please don't sell this site to Skotos aka Skynet and PLEASE, let SJWs post freely here. I like cutting the tires on their bicycles ;)

Greetings!

Welcome to the forums here, sir! Yes, SJW's and whatever flavour of Liberals are welcome here, too. However, because the SJW's do not have a cadre of moderators supporting them, normal people are entirely free to express themselves here, including views that don't agree with SJW's. There's more than a few conservatives here that are quite willing to jump on SJW's like a fucking gladiator arena. Especially so against the really frothing-at-the-mouth SJW's. They tend to get destroyed here pretty brutally. More polite and respectful *liberals* tend to be just fine. This is a good place to be a member of.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

There is a world of difference between a liberal and a SJW.

Liberals can communicate with others --- SJWs act like everybody else is speaking Orc. Or, whatever language they choose beyond translation.

Semper Fi, Shark. Fellow Marine here with avid gamer as my true MOS. We can talk, maybe.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085419Liberals can communicate with others --- SJWs act like everybody else is speaking Orc. Or, whatever language they choose beyond translation.

Semper Fi, Shark. Fellow Marine here with avid gamer as my true MOS. We can talk, maybe.

Greetings!

Outstanding, Marine! Indeed, there are some differences between Liberals and SJW's, like you mentioned. Like that old philosophy thing, All SJW's are Liberal, but not all Liberals are SJW's. Something like that.:D

Of course we can talk! LOL. I sent you a PM, my friend.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I need you guys to play fair here.

I'm seeing an anti-Muslim group, as if Islam wasn't the very best thing for America (aren't we revolutionaries?)

Of all the fighters and peoples I've faced, I respect most the Muslims --- the largest organized religion on Earth. They take their shit personal. Unlike the Christians who take it serious on Sunday.

What if --- the truth was different from what you thought? What if 'winning' required sacrificing what was important to you? Could you? Could you change in order to make the world a better place?

If you can't, you're useless as SJWs. They refuse change while speaking as though change is the answer:

If I say, I was born a man, but I am now a woman, and I need the world to embrace my female nature, because that embrace will improve the world, THAT CHANGE NEEDS TO IMPROVE THE WORLD.

If it DOESN'T, then that change is only satisfying for the person. The world remains as it is and the promise of global transformation is BS.

This is the SJW position: MY change is so powerful it changes the world, but it only changes the subject's social circle. They get 'cred' and newness. But who does that improve the game? Do they even understand how deep the game is? Can SJW poilitica improve TTRPGs, or is this just IMAX?

I ask any SJW: "WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF SOCIAL JUSTICE? HOW DOES IT IMPROVE THE WORLD VIA TTRPGS? WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO MAKE TTRPGS BETTER? POST THE RESULTS OF YOUR EFFECT."

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085412I'm new here too. The SJWs remind me so much of racists and how they feel just being what they are (or claim to be) makes them nobles, while everyone not like them are some sort of crisis to be dealt with. But, the sum total of all their farnarkling = Sad Comas & group hugs --- because the majority of the hobby either doesn't know they exist, or, doesn't care.

This site is cool in that I can post as I enjoy and not worry about getting bloodied by some Edgelord-mod-Will Wheaton-wannabe moderator. The opinions and freedom of expression here is refreshing. Pundit, please don't sell this site to Skotos aka Skynet and PLEASE, let SJWs post freely here. I like cutting the tires on their bicycles ;)

This guy gets it.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085432This guy gets it.

....?

Quote from: GameDaddy;1085437....?

He likes cutting tires on bicycles......

Quote from: Razor 007;1085456He likes cutting tires on bicycles......

In my defense, I was drinking when I was posting this evening and I just now have started to sober up.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085429I'm seeing an anti-Muslim group, as if Islam wasn't the very best thing for America (aren't we revolutionaries?)

I am anti-fundamentalist Islam. I've met enough Muslims to believe there is an Islam of peace, but their faith has been horrifyingly corrupted by the extreme death cults being promoted by Saudi Arabia and Iran...and now the MSM of the USA.  

And I'm quite aware the vast majority of Islamic terrorist attacks are against their fellow Muslims.

In LA, I've met lots of older "Persians" and they talk about their lost homeland. Iran was Muslim before the Ayatollah when Tehran was one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world. Nobody was blowing shit up, Jews and Muslims lived together in peace in Iran (and intermarried) and women didn't wear garbage bags from head to toe.  

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085429Of all the fighters and peoples I've faced, I respect most the Muslims --- the largest organized religion on Earth. They take their shit personal. Unlike the Christians who take it serious on Sunday.

Roman Catholics are the largest organized religion. Most everyone else isn't particularly organized. But I agree with you that most modern Christians don't integrate their religion into their daily lives the way you see with Buddhists or Muslims.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085429What if 'winning' required sacrificing what was important to you? Could you? Could you change in order to make the world a better place?

I'm with Patton on this one. Make the other guy sacrifice for his country.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085459In my defense, I was drinking when I was posting this evening and I just now have started to sober up.

More whiskey for you!!!

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085429What if --- the truth was different from what you thought? What if 'winning' required sacrificing what was important to you? Could you? Could you change in order to make the world a better place?

Thanos thinking? Are we ready to talk about Avengers Endgame already?

Spent my childhood in Saudi Arabia.

My view is I respect the fundamentals of a discipline, but I reject fundamentalism as too simplistic for this world. It loses sight of humanity, which in turn makes it easy to destroy humans for the sake of appeasing our happy abstractions. Life has gaps, life has nuance, life has mysteries, life has ambiguity... and in the end I want to side on stepping lightly upon the fragile beings that live here ever briefly, as best I can. :)

But the omelet demands broken eggs. ;) No one said having a moral world view was easy. "Even Lawful Good will disagree with each other to the point of violence." - me. :D

At least one of the first big steps is having open channels of dialogue. And thankfully this place tries its best to maintain that (within reason). Other websites... well, fundamentalism does not strictly infect world religions. ;) Poor rpg.net...

Quote from: SHARK;1085424All SJW's are Liberal, but not all Liberals are SJW's.

Not really, no.  There's a distinctly anti-liberal thread in at least some branches of SJWism.  The most common manifestation is a desire by SJWs to greatly restrict speech, while absolute (or at least nearly-absolute) free speech is a cornerstone of classical liberalism.  I've even seen a handful of SJW types who openly admit that they believe avoiding offense to be more important than free speech.  Can't think of any offhand who have outright described themselves as illiberal or anti-liberal, but I would be extremely surprised if they aren't out there.

In other words, despite the terms used in typical discussion of (US) politics, this site is infinitely more (classically) liberal than TBP.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1085479I am anti-fundamentalist Islam. I've met enough Muslims to believe there is an Islam of peace, but their faith has been horrifyingly corrupted by the extreme death cults being promoted by Saudi Arabia and Iran...and now the MSM of the USA.  

And I'm quite aware the vast majority of Islamic terrorist attacks are against their fellow Muslims.

In LA, I've met lots of older "Persians" and they talk about their lost homeland. Iran was Muslim before the Ayatollah when Tehran was one of the most cosmopolitan cities in the world. Nobody was blowing shit up, Jews and Muslims lived together in peace in Iran (and intermarried) and women didn't wear garbage bags from head to toe.  

My dentist is "Persian".  His family emigrated here when he was a kid, a little before the fall of the Shah.  The Shah's government had issues but it is amazing how everyone...media, governments and the UN want to memory-hole what modern Iran was like before 1978.  Beirut seems to get the same treatment.

Quote from: moonsweeper;1085520My dentist is "Persian".  His family emigrated here when he was a kid, a little before the fall of the Shah.  The Shah's government had issues but it is amazing how everyone...media, governments and the UN want to memory-hole what modern Iran was like before 1978.  Beirut seems to get the same treatment.

And Havana.

Quote from: nDervish;1085500Not really, no.  There's a distinctly anti-liberal thread in at least some branches of SJWism.  The most common manifestation is a desire by SJWs to greatly restrict speech, while absolute (or at least nearly-absolute) free speech is a cornerstone of classical liberalism.  I've even seen a handful of SJW types who openly admit that they believe avoiding offense to be more important than free speech.  Can't think of any offhand who have outright described themselves as illiberal or anti-liberal, but I would be extremely surprised if they aren't out there.

In other words, despite the terms used in typical discussion of (US) politics, this site is infinitely more (classically) liberal than TBP.

Greetings!

Well, yes indeed, there's a huge difference between "Classic Liberals" and SJW's. Of course. However, in modern American politics, *Liberalism* is entirely left-wing, various flavours of leftism/socialism/marxism and collectivistic utopianism which is primarily hostile to conservatives, religion, tradition, capitalism, and heterosexuality. This modern manifestation of "Liberalism" doesn't have much in common with "Classic Liberalism" at all, though any aspect that it does embrace--such a freedom of speech--is increasingly condemned and excised by the more radical SJW's. I get that there's a distinction, but the SJW's grew out of "Liberalism." Liberals have increasingly abandoned "Classical Liberalism" to the point where today if you hold to such in SJW circles, you are villified as a Nazi. So, yeah, there's a distinction, though it's mostly an academic one now, rather than an actual social or political distinction. Classical Liberals have fled en masse to join the Conservatives. Honestly, while there were some differences in the old days between Conservatives and Classic Liberals, it was more of a coffee table difference, because most Conservatives and Classic Liberals shared most of the same values and goals, merely differing on the techniques or priorities in accomplishing such shared goals.

Now, well, it's a vicious and savage jungle!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: nDervish;1085500Not really, no.  There's a distinctly anti-liberal thread in at least some branches of SJWism.  The most common manifestation is a desire by SJWs to greatly restrict speech, while absolute (or at least nearly-absolute) free speech is a cornerstone of classical liberalism.  I've even seen a handful of SJW types who openly admit that they believe avoiding offense to be more important than free speech.  Can't think of any offhand who have outright described themselves as illiberal or anti-liberal, but I would be extremely surprised if they aren't out there.

In other words, despite the terms used in typical discussion of (US) politics, this site is infinitely more (classically) liberal than TBP.

Tim Pool has an interesting video on Liberals and the "culture wars". The culture war is not so much liberal vs conservatives as it is liberals tearing themselves apart. There are now basically to factions on the left, or so it seems. I'm not too happy about it, because there are many tendencies on the right that I don't like, such as ignoring nature conservation (some conservative politicians have actually worked on this, but it's rarely clear from their party program). I just hope things can balance out over time.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085496Thanos thinking? Are we ready to talk about Avengers Endgame already?

Thanos almost had a point. Is there a thread for Endgame? Bad sequel to a horribly-ended movie. I read The Infinity Gauntlet series as a kid so I know enough to recognize Disney's sketti. They would do Waterboy prequels.

Welcome, Rpg.spuge escapees! This site aint bad. Chat as you like in any vernacular and have fun!

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085579Thanos almost had a point.

A point? Really? Rather than killing 1/2 the population everywhere, why not use that same near-infinite power to double (or more) the resources available everywhere?

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085594A point? Really? Rather than killing 1/2 the population everywhere, why not use that same near-infinite power to double (or more) the resources available everywhere?

That was my first thought as well. Why not make the universe more abundant, or even infinitely so? I don't know the limitations of the stones, but don't they each define reality within their domain? Thanos' solution was, at absolute best, one that entirely lacked in imagination.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1085612That was my first thought as well. Why not make the universe more abundant, or even infinitely so? I don't know the limitations of the stones, but don't they each define reality within their domain? Thanos' solution was, at absolute best, one that entirely lacked in imagination.

Cart and horse. The reason he wanted them was to reduce the population of the universe by half.

Any way you slice it, it's not a practical idea. The halved population will continue to grow until the universe is back to the same problem.
Or the increased resources will cause the population to boom, until they are all consumed and the universe is back to the same problem.

But Thanos did what he did because he was nuts. (Fixated on a solution)

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085594A point? Really? Rather than killing 1/2 the population everywhere, why not use that same near-infinite power to double (or more) the resources available everywhere?

Come on, this is high philosophy for a comic writer.

Quote from: CarlD.;1085004I've never quite understood what hunting trophy case of a forum is for (once you've been banned you can't log into it or even to see the message that says when you were banned. :confused:) If you're locked out of thread you can't post in it again so telling making a big public ado about it is just another form of public shaming I guess.

Their original reasoning was that it helped demonstrate what would get you banned, but that went out the window the minute they decided to hide the infraction forum and not explain themselves. Now it literally is a trophy case.

Quote from: CarlD.;1085187Does anyone have any hard numbers?

I wish.

Quote from: myleftnut;1085233For a long time I thought people into RPG were different.

If you think about it, RPGs were always especially vulnerable to identity politics.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085429Of all the fighters and peoples I've faced, I respect most the Muslims --- the largest organized religion on Earth.

And yet divided into two sects which want the other dead.

Also I've seen the videos, and I'd call them anything but organized.

Quote from: moonsweeper;1085520My dentist is "Persian".  His family emigrated here when he was a kid, a little before the fall of the Shah.  The Shah's government had issues but it is amazing how everyone...media, governments and the UN want to memory-hole what modern Iran was like before 1978.  Beirut seems to get the same treatment.

Quote from: Pat;1085528And Havana.

DON'T TOUCH IT! (https://vimeo.com/126720159)

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085594A point? Really? Rather than killing 1/2 the population everywhere, why not use that same near-infinite power to double (or more) the resources available everywhere?

The lack of imagination will be the death of us all.

#TheMindIsTheLimit

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1085619But Thanos did what he did because he was nuts. (Fixated on a solution)

  I haven't seen any Marvel movies since Captain America: Civil War, but I think they wanted to keep the overall plan from the Infinity Gauntlet comics, but didn't think they could sell the comic's original rationale for it--hence, the somewhat half-baked reasoning.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085594A point? Really? Rather than killing 1/2 the population everywhere, why not use that same near-infinite power to double (or more) the resources available everywhere?

In the comics Thanos was obsessed with death as a person in the movies he's obsessed with death as a concept.  It works better for the movies as sometimes stuff that's simply accepted for what it is in comics won't be in movies.

Besides, he just read Hunger Games and knew he had to do something.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1085594A point? Really? Rather than killing 1/2 the population everywhere, why not use that same near-infinite power to double (or more) the resources available everywhere?

Theres a vid up on youtube breaking down why the Disney version is bad. See the problem is, according to the director Thanos killed off half of everything living. So there are now half as many trees on earth for example. Half the crops, livestock, and so on. Cue environmental disaster. Though as of last look in the movie seems more like he offed only sentient beings. Unless that changed as of Endgame.

In the orginal comics Thanos' reason was not some altruistic "Save half of everyone" ideal. He was doing to impress DEATH whom he is in love with. Whereas in the movie it just doesnt really make alot of sense.

Back on topic. Whatever that was... Welcome to wackyland other new arrival.

I think Thanos obsessed with death as a concept is fine, but I think they could have sold it a lot better. I keep thinking about the original Star Trek episode The Conscience of the King. Not as an exact comparison, but an example of a  character justifying terrible deeds.

Quote from: CarlD.;1085004There appears to be a purge going on for some reason or another. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?forums/infractions.138/) Maybe the new mods are trying to make quota like cops and speeding tickets?

I've never quite understood what hunting trophy case of a forum is for (once you've been banned you can't log into it or even to see the message that says when you were banned. :confused:) If you're locked out of thread you can't post in it again so telling making a big public ado about it is just another form of public shaming I guess.

And the purge continues with a target that seemed unlikely Lord Raziere (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lord-raziere-has-accumulated-50076-warning-points-on-may-03-2019.845430/).

 

QuoteLord Raziere has received a Permanent Ban for the following post:

Content: https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?posts/22493662/

Upon Admin review, the full context of your posting history makes it clear you're not a good fit for the forum, this is a permanent ban.

From previous encounters with him he seemed, in spite of his exile terms, a very good fit for the forums outlook and ideology wise. And I can't see what about this post (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?posts/22493662/) was the "final straw"?

Quote from: Lord Raziere, post: 22493662, member: 86358well I'm not a fan of things not being playable because everyone keeps insisting they're evil, or the alignment system in general because no matter how it actually works (which is a very cloudy and headache inducing issue at the best of times) its misuse is vast, many and easily achieved. I'm not going to trod out that "every person has their own way of doing things" aesop, because its just an excuse to not change anything, and even if its not, its too easily used that way. I don't want any depiction of orcs or whatever that makes it okay to kill them just because. you want to me to kill something, you better provide me a good reason, but even "orc warlord who wants to take over everything" is suspect to me if it doesn't include orcs who don't agree with him.

Quote from: CarlD.;1086092And the purge continues with a target that seemed unlikely Lord Raziere (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lord-raziere-has-accumulated-50076-warning-points-on-may-03-2019.845430/).

 

From previous encounters with him he seemed, in spite of his exile terms, a very good fit for the forums outlook and ideology wise. And I can't see what about this post (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?posts/22493662/) was the "final straw"?

The last post I can find by Lord Raziere is back in March. It's hard to make sense that they'd ban him for that post specifically. I think they must have found something offsite they disliked, and just chose that post to attach the banning to.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1085938If you think about it, RPGs were always especially vulnerable to identity politics.

My instinct is to disagree, but why do you think that?

In my experience, most gamers get along great. I play at lots of cons and I've always been impressed how easily strangers from different backgrounds get along great 99% of the time. And I know its shocking, but that 1% of not getting along great is 99% mild wankery.

Even without a harassment policy or a safe space!!

Quote from: CarlD.;1086092From previous encounters with him he seemed, in spite of his exile terms, a very good fit for the forums outlook and ideology wise. And I can't see what about this post (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?posts/22493662/) was the "final straw"?

I am totally confused by that. Are we missing some context in the thread?

Quote from: CarlD.;1086092And the purge continues with a target that seemed unlikely Lord Raziere (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lord-raziere-has-accumulated-50076-warning-points-on-may-03-2019.845430/).

Speaking of characters obsessed with a solution...

Quote from: Spinachcat;1086095My instinct is to disagree, but why do you think that?

It's a hobby that's literally about adopting other identities and acting in ways which define them. Hell, the most popular RPG in the world still uses the concept of race and class to define who a character is.

Quote from: CarlD.;1086092And the purge continues with a target that seemed unlikely Lord Raziere (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/lord-raziere-has-accumulated-50076-warning-points-on-may-03-2019.845430/).

To add to the crazy, they also got a 30 day ban for a followup post to that.

None of these events are surprising.  This is where following Rousseau always, eventually leads.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1086149None of these events are surprising.  This is where following Rousseau always, eventually leads.

TBP must force users to be free by banning all Enemies of the General Will!

Quote from: Theory of Games;1085429I need you guys to play fair here.

I'm seeing an anti-Muslim group, as if Islam wasn't the very best thing for America (aren't we revolutionaries?)

Every Muslim country is a backwards hellhole, so you are completely wrong.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1086145Hell, the most popular RPG in the world still uses the concept of race and class to define who a character is.

Good point.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1086145Hell, the most popular RPG in the world still uses the concept of race and class to define who a character is.

TBF, originally they were called "character-types" before AD&D made the term "race" popular. The term "race" doesn't appear anywhere in OD&D. And class is more of a professional "class"-ification and not a socioeconomic standing.

Rpg.net is a leftist cesspool of utter stupidity.

Quote from: daddystabz;1086213Rpg.net is a leftist cesspool of utter stupidity.

The moderation style (to be loose with the word) is a joke where any asshole in thr Mod Clique (and is a clique. There is no process, no accountability except to other Mods otherwise its a 'lifetime' appointment can do whatever they please, when ever they please like crooked cops except they'tr unpaid mall cops that double as  unpaid janitors. I guess you HAVE to abuse that minuscule amount of power to get drunk on it, but those plucky bastards have found a way. I get it 'their' playground (or more its been left to them as long as the Ad revenue comes) and this is what tends to happened when the bullied get to be the bullies but I am stunned by how many not go along with it but act as their apologists and defense attorneys. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Its something many people need to learn.

Some need it tattooed on the inside of their eyelids as a constant reminder

Tangency political thread mod post trigger warning.  (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/trumps-tweet-storms.843170/page-48#post-22572605) Megathread appears to be code "This thread has gone in directions, opinion or tone I don't like so I'm closing it." Or Miss Atomic Bomb didn't like her breakfast or woke up constipated this morning and need to flex some 'muscle'. *shrug*

 As with most infractions your guess is as good as mine. I've seen Miss Atomic Bomb, thread ban and kick people for expressing opinions she doesn't like, more than once so my assumption of good faith is about used up for the Mod in particular

Quote from: CarlD.;1086244and is a clique. There is no process, no accountability except to other Mods otherwise its a 'lifetime' appointment can do whatever they please, when ever they please like crooked cops except they'tr unpaid mall cops that double as  unpaid janitors.

LOL. Too accurate. Nicely put.

Quote from: CarlD.;1086244Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Its something many people need to learn.

Restraint and self-reflection are not things these types are known for, unfortunately.

Quote from: daddystabz;1086213Rpg.net is a leftist cesspool of utter stupidity.

But it also has good RPGing discussions.

It's a good job the RPG Site has a no Political Discussions rule

Quote from: soltakss;1086276But it also has good RPGing discussions.

Where?

RPG.net had a good design and publisher forum. I had good conversations in the past there, certainly far less political than their other forums as it was [previously] focused on discussing the nuts and bolts of game creation and publishing. Haven't been there for a few years so I can't attest to what that subforum is like today.

Quote from: soltakss;1086278It's a good job the RPG Site has a no Political Discussions rule

I thought it was only no politics if you support Trump?

Quote from: soltakss;1086276But it also has good RPGing discussions.

While that may be technically true, it's now a pale imitation of what it once was. And in my estimation, it used to be pretty danged good.

And welcome, myleftnut, and the rest. I just got here a little sooner. I don't pipe up too-too often, but TheRPGSite is now my go-to for RPG stuff. There's gold in that there search function, put there by people I trust on the subject, who are all over the political spectrum. That's what I miss the most about the other place.

Quote from: Shasarak;1086304I thought it was only no politics if you support Trump?

Correct.

Quote from: soltakss;1086276But it also has good RPGing discussions.

It was once a website that hosted good RPG discussions; but it kept drifting farther and farther into the realm of the blind idiot gods.


Oh, and FUTANKA!!!

Quote from: remial;1085033I have this ongoing fantasy where I win the lottery, like big time, and I buy rpg.net and either shut the place down or give it to Pundit

That would be funny...

Google is of no help when searching futanka (or maybe the results are filtered by the company firewall).
Should I go through the trouble of looking any deeper? Or is it related to futanary(NSFW)?

For any RPGnet trolls lurking on our forum and trying to find problematic content on here to bitch about over at Big Purple, I have a message for you...

Anime is better than Marvel capeshit, Metal is better than Punk, Communism is tyrannical and evil, Anarchism is a crock of shit, personal horror sucks, and Harry Potter is the worst series of books ever written.

Also, here's some disco music for you, you blue-haired contrarian punk rock-loving, Lenin-worshipping, Vice Media-reading hipster motherfuckers.

DISCO INFERNO! DEATH BY STEREO! COMMIE PUNKS FUCK OFF!

[video=youtube;1J256lLL4fU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J256lLL4fU[/youtube]

Seriously, I am thinking we need to organize an RPG Site meetup and have a Punk Demolition Night for July 12, 2019.

The injustices of Disco Demolition Night will be at long last avenged, forty years to the date!

Punk Demolition Night shall commence and Harry Potter will be burned at the stake for witchcraft and crimes against literature while Black Panther gets his fursuit-wearing ass curb-stomped by Kyoya Ootori from the Ouran High School Host Club and Captain Marvel finds herself being executed by a firing squad of bishonen Roman legionaries armed with the awesomely problematic AR-15 rifle.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1085973I think Thanos obsessed with death as a concept is fine, but I think they could have sold it a lot better. I keep thinking about the original Star Trek episode The Conscience of the King. Not as an exact comparison, but an example of a  character justifying terrible deeds.

In the comics its all just to impress Death. Eventually he comes to realize that horrible death is not what death wants to see. Though by now thats likely been reset a few times and hes back to same ol same ol wacky impress death plans. There is also an ongoing rivalry between Thanos and Deadpool. One of my main irks with the movies so far is the lack of Adam Warlock as he played so prominently in the series and its sequels. There was hints of him in Guardians of the Galaxy but so far pre-Endgame no appearance.

Back on some vague thing called topic.
MSH statted out Thanos and I believe the Infinity Gauntlet at some point before TSR folded. Also HeroScape put out a Marvel Heroes set that included Thanos. But only ever did the starter set.

Doc, you are a nutcake, but you always have great picks for music.

Quote from: Eisenmann;1086307While that may be technically true, it's now a pale imitation of what it once was. And in my estimation, it used to be pretty danged good.

And welcome, myleftnut, and the rest. I just got here a little sooner. I don't pipe up too-too often, but TheRPGSite is now my go-to for RPG stuff. There's gold in that there search function, put there by people I trust on the subject, who are all over the political spectrum. That's what I miss the most about the other place.

That is my feeling too. As they drive off more people increasingly all that is left are the loons, many of which cannot separate fantasy from reality. BGG is going the same route, just slower as it is more spread out. But the SJW venom is steadily seeping into discussions and attempts made to censor or shut down games that the loons declare playing or even designing to be the same as doing that thing.

Gaming has essentually picked up some of the nuts who totally believe that a novelist writing horror or crime stories or an actor in a movie playing a villain does these things for real. Or wants to. And that goes way back.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1086491For any RPGnet trolls lurking on our forum and trying to find problematic content on here to bitch about over at Big Purple, I have a message for you...

Anime is better than Marvel capeshit, Metal is better than Punk, Communism is tyrannical and evil, Anarchism is a crock of shit, personal horror sucks, and Harry Potter is the worst series of books ever written.

Rapeime. Now go back into the hole you crawled out of you worthless troll.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1086495Doc, you are a nutcake, but you always have great picks for music.

Well, I do try to pick the best songs.

Is it wrong that when I had to watch Avengers: End Game with my date, I was secretly and quietly rooting for Thanos to win?

I did get to have sex with her last night, so at least I finally got the three hours I wasted in the theater back.

Plus she likes anime too and we have a lot of other common interests, so I'd say we are still compatible despite her love of Marvel.

Also, I kind of liked the scene where Black Widow got the Soul Stone.

Black Widow has no superpowers and cannot fly, making her the most useless of the Avengers.

But that wasn't flying, that was falling with style!

Quote from: Omega;1086498Rapeime. Now go back into the hole you crawled out of you worthless troll.

If anyone is trolling here, it's you.

Sorry for daring to like anime and not liking your sacred Marvel texts.

Why can't you capeshit-loving meatheads accept that I love anime and that liking anime does not make me a troll?

Go fuck the corpse of Stan Lee, you retarded meathead

Doc,  I think you forgot My Little Pony in your list.:p

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1086499Well, I do try to pick the best songs.

Is it wrong that when I had to watch Avengers: End Game with my date, I was secretly and quietly rooting for Thanos to win?

I did get to have sex with her last night, so at least I finally got the three hours I wasted in the theater back.

Plus she likes anime too and we have a lot of other common interests, so I'd say we are still compatible despite her love of Marvel.

Also, I kind of liked the scene where Black Widow got the Soul Stone.

Black Widow has no superpowers and cannot fly, making her the most useless of the Avengers.

But that wasn't flying, that was falling with style!



If anyone is trolling here, it's you.

Sorry for daring to like anime and not liking your sacred Marvel texts.

Why can't you capeshit-loving meatheads accept that I love anime and that liking anime does not make me a troll?

Go fuck the corpse of Stan Lee, you retarded meathead

So you can hurl crap at what many other people enjoy (for some reason...its like weird ass obsession with you? ) but no one should disparage what you like ? Its not liking anime that make you a troll, its the outbursts, ranting and throwing "capeshit' around like you're daring someone to say some one to say something. You don't Marvel (or any comics?) Ok, we fucking get it. You don't have to remind us every given opportunity. Try to grow up a little and realize you opinions not facts and everyone has them and its okay not to express them all the time. Or at least not a dick about. That's not Freedom of Speech, that's being social not a braying ass of a Troll.

Quote from: CarlD.;1086508So you can hurl crap at what many other people enjoy (for some reason...its like weird ass obsession with you? ) but no one should disparage what you like ? Its not likeing anime that make you a troll, its the outbursts, ranting and throwing "capeshit' around like you're daring someone to say some one to say something. You don't Marvel (or any comics?) Ok, we fucking get it. You don't have to remind us every given opportunity.

Agreed and seconded. The quote can dish it out yet cannot take it applies to Doc Sammy. He can freely insult everyone, anyone, everything and anything. Don't you damn dare do the same to him.

Quote from: sureshot;1086509Agreed and seconded. The quote can dish it out yet cannot take it applies to Doc Sammy. He can freely insult everyone, anyone, everything and anything. Don't you damn dare do the same to him.

He just wants attention.

Quote from: S'mon;1086510He just wants attention.

I don't know he used to be more rational and tolerant when responding and now just seems to lose his shit whenever challenged in a post. All fine and well and it is his/her right. Yet at the same time if one does not want to be challenged or get pushback do not post on a forum. Their is also a fine line between wanting to get attention and trolling. One does not have to continually shit post at every opportunity to get their point across. Worse get pissed off when they get negative feedback and criticism. If one is setting out to push buttons do not act like a hypocrite and get pissed when people react badly to ones trolling and pushing of other people buttons.

Quote from: Omega;1086497That is my feeling too. As they drive off more people increasingly all that is left are the loons, many of which cannot separate fantasy from reality. BGG is going the same route, just slower as it is more spread out. But the SJW venom is steadily seeping into discussions and attempts made to censor or shut down games that the loons declare playing or even designing to be the same as doing that thing.

Same thing happened to NeoGaf, then split into Resetera which is 10x as insane. As someone that was there from pretty much the very beginning, it was infuriating to see the certifiably insane take over all of the mod positions and push half of the population out with their nonsense.

Quote from: Godfather Punk;1086501Doc,  I think you forgot My Little Pony in your list.:p

My Little Pony sucks balls and if I were in charge of things, the Bronies would all be gassed. :D

Bronies and the more degenerate members of the furry fandom are vile scum (and keep in mind that Black Panther is essentially a black supremacist furry)

I will let the late great Terry A. Davis explain the evils of men like Black Panther, the Bronies, and Facebook CEO Mark Fuckerberg

[video=youtube;S75DN0joNPU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75DN0joNPU[/youtube]

Based Terry, may he rest in peace. He warned us about the evil men who wear vibranium fursuits and rape animals and of those evil glow-in-the-dark Wakandans who work for SHIELD

Terry A. Davis was a badass who built the Third Temple of Jerusalem using only a winch, a cinder block, and a Commodore 64.

When glow-in-the-dark Wakandan SHIELD agents were terrorizing him, he stood up to them and ran them over with his car and bragged about it online and STILL got away with it!

Terry A. Davis was a good man despite his illnesses, which is why Courtney Love and her fellow punk rocker Antifa buddies murdered him with a train.

Quote from: sureshot;1086509Agreed and seconded. The quote can dish it out yet cannot take it applies to Doc Sammy. He can freely insult everyone, anyone, everything and anything. Don't you damn dare do the same to him.

You are wrong, I can definitely take it. I just dish it out more afterwards

Feel free to insult me all you want, but keep in mind I will insult you back. That's my policy.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1086491Harry Potter is the worst series of books ever written.

In a world containing Dan Brown's Robert Langdon books, Robert Newcomb's Fifth Sorceress series, Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy and the Left Behind novels, I don't think this can be considered factually correct.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1086526In a world containing Dan Brown's Robert Langdon books, Robert Newcomb's Fifth Sorceress series, Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy and the Left Behind novels, I don't think this can be considered factually correct.

Okay, I will give you Left Behind, but in my opinion, it is tied with Harry Potter because of how much whiny Millennial Leftists love Harry Potter and don't read any other books.

You can like Harry Potter all you want, but for fuck's sake, read another book too!

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1086525You are wrong, I can definitely take it.

Demonstrably, you can't, you little bitch.

I don't use the ignore list feature, but I'm seriously considering it, just to avoid your petulant bitchy outbursts.  Change your tampon.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1086525Feel free to insult me all you want, but keep in mind I will insult you back. That's my policy.

  Unfortunately, you tend to assume that someone who disagrees with you on one point is guilty of all the thoughtcrimes in your lexicon. Between that and the vulgarity of your approach, the insults come off as more bizarre and annoying than anything.

Quote from: kythri;1086534Demonstrably, you can't, you little bitch.

I don't use the ignore list feature, but I'm seriously considering it, just to avoid your petulant bitchy outbursts.  Change your tampon.

Okay, I get the point. I will chill the fuck out if that's what you guys want

.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1086537Unfortunately, you tend to assume that someone who disagrees with you on one point is guilty of all the thoughtcrimes in your lexicon. Between that and the vulgarity of your approach, the insults come off as more bizarre and annoying than anything.

I do apologize for it, I think I'm slowly going insane as the world around me continues to go off the deep end.

Greetings!

My Little Pony! Whaa! Whaa!:D

Such a hated toy! LOL.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Doc Sammy is rpgsites Alex Jones. I'm good with that.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1086544Doc Sammy is rpgsites Alex Jones. I'm good with that.

Alex Jones wishes he was more like me!

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1086545Alex Jones wishes he was more like me!

Everyone wishes Alex Jones was more like you.

When's my next episode, Doc? I'm trying to be patient but I need my FIX

Quote from: Azraele;1086547Everyone wishes Alex Jones was more like you.

When's my next episode, Doc? I'm trying to be patient but I need my FIX

Good things come for those who wait...trust me.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1086525You are wrong, I can definitely take it. I just dish it out more afterwards

Feel free to insult me all you want, but keep in mind I will insult you back. That's my policy.

You should defend yourself when and if you are insulted. Posting something which is both deliberately proactive and trolling and then getting angry in such a way that it comes off as rabid, frothing at the mouth insanity because someone calls you out on your bullshit is not to me as being able to dish it out and take it.

I cannot stand eating Liver. Others tell me it's because I have always eaten the same way and not cooked in other ways. Let us say for examples sake you and I are talking about it.

Normal Sane conversation between two people"

Me: I know people tell me to that liver can be cooked in more ways than one still not interested.

You: It's because you always ate it and people cooked it for you the same way try ( insert recipe XYZ)

Me; Nah not interested I like just eating beef.

You: Totally respect that you don't know what you are missing.

Typical Doc Sammy Conversation:

Me: I know people tell me to that liver can be cooked in more ways than one still not interested.

You: It's because you always ate it and people cooked it for you the same way try ( insert recipe XYZ)

Me; Nah not interested I just like eating beef.

You: You fucking beef eaters and you never want to try anything. Take your ground beef and shove it up your ass. Liver is the shit and you should all choke on it for not liking it.

Anime is better than Marvel capeshit, Metal is better than Punk, Communism is tyrannical and evil, Anarchism is a crock of shit, personal horror sucks, and Harry Potter is the worst series of books ever written.

Why all because someone disagreed with you. If you cannot understand why that style of posting is fucking annoying and almost no wants to see that is on you. It's all good to apologize and say "trust me I won't do it again (wink,wink)" Chances are you will anyway. Instead of promising and apologizing about toning it down and not acting in such a way. How about putting the money where your mouth is and actually not behaving in such a way. To be honest it is sad very sad to see an adult act like a petulant, insane, rabid child.

Quote from: sureshot;1086684You should defend yourself when and if you are insulted. Posting something which is both deliberately proactive and trolling and then getting angry in such a way that it comes off as rabid, frothing at the mouth insanity because someone calls you out on your bullshit is not to me as being able to dish it out and take it.

I cannot stand eating Liver. Others tell me it's because I have always eaten the same way and not cooked in other ways. Let us say for examples sake you and I are talking about it.

Normal Sane conversation between two people"

Me: I know people tell me to that liver can be cooked in more ways than one still not interested.

You: It's because you always ate it and people cooked it for you the same way try ( insert recipe XYZ)

Me; Nah not interested I like just eating beef.

You: Totally respect that you don't know what you are missing.

Typical Doc Sammy Conversation:

Me: I know people tell me to that liver can be cooked in more ways than one still not interested.

You: It's because you always ate it and people cooked it for you the same way try ( insert recipe XYZ)

Me; Nah not interested I just like eating beef.

You: You fucking beef eaters and you never want to try anything. Take your ground beef and shove it up your ass. Liver is the shit and you should all choke on it for not liking it.

Anime is better than Marvel capeshit, Metal is better than Punk, Communism is tyrannical and evil, Anarchism is a crock of shit, personal horror sucks, and Harry Potter is the worst series of books ever written.

Why all because someone disagreed with you. If you cannot understand why that style of posting is fucking annoying and almost no wants to see that is on you. It's all good to apologize and say "trust me I won't do it again (wink,wink)" Chances are you will anyway. Instead of promising and apologizing about toning it down and not acting in such a way. How about putting the money where your mouth is and actually not behaving in such a way. To be honest it is sad very sad to see an adult act like a petulant, insane, rabid child.

This is something a beret wearing commie would say. I dunno...

Me a beret wearing commie. Hell no way. I like money too much to even be considered a commie.

Radishes! :mad:

It's ok, I like you Doc Sammy. :) I'll always have a special request of "This Corrosion" for you at the goth club.

You see, it's been a long road for Doc here at TheRPGSite, coming from a fabled nightmare realm (and rural gothic spa resort) called Roanoke, Virginia, as he has many a times mentioned. But the free speech here on this web forum has, for the most part, been a good thing to get him out of his shell, and work up towards other means of self-expression and socializing. :) He has been improving over the years -- with the ever so gentle stick needed now and again to curb his broken record.

So to any ex-rpg.net fence sitters, come on in, the water is warm! (Most likely because we all just peed in it from anger and territorial marking. :p ) This is a place to share, fling poo, and even grow up a little. :)

Quote from: Opaopajr;1086732and even grow up a little. :)

Pfft, no thanks man, that ain't me!

Quote from: Antiquation!;1086734Pfft, no thanks man, that ain't me!

It's optional. :p Wanna go fly to Neverland with me? :D

Quote from: Opaopajr;1086736It's optional. :p Wanna go fly to Neverland with me? :D

Let's go, I already bought my ticket!  :p

Quote from: Godfather Punk;1086488Google is of no help when searching futanka (or maybe the results are filtered by the company firewall).
Should I go through the trouble of looking any deeper? Or is it related to futanary(NSFW)?

I think he means F.U. Tanka!( A mod at RPG.net)

Ah yes, totally forgot about that spat. :D

I love liver & onions, but you gotta buy organic liver (and even that's got question marks).

Quote from: Bunch;1086740I think he means F.U. Tanka!( A mod at RPG.net)

And one of the more aggressively dickish, IMO.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1086854I love liver & onions, but you gotta buy organic liver (and even that's got question marks).

Inorganic liver I assume would taste terrible being that it doesn't come from living matter.

Quote from: Lurtch;1086871Inorganic liver I assume would taste terrible being that it doesn't come from living matter.

I saw bottled water labeled "organic" the other day and my first thought was they must have added pencil shavings.

Quote from: sureshot;1086724Me a beret wearing commie. Hell no way. I like money too much to even be considered a commie.

LOL Money does have that effect, doesn't it?

Quote from: Opaopajr;1086736It's optional. :p Wanna go fly to Neverland with me? :D

Do I have to watch you do that "thing" with Bubbles, with the wax-statue of Michael in the corner again?

Quote from: tenbones;1086885Do I have to watch you do that "thing" with Bubbles, with the wax-statue of Michael in the corner again?

Of course not! You can always join in! :) The roller coaster and other rides are for everybody! Shamoa -- heee heee! :D

Quote from: Opaopajr;1086911Of course not! You can always join in! :) The roller coaster and other rides are for everybody! Shamoa -- heee heee! :D

I love your diversity! You shmoove criminal!

Quote from: tenbones;1086948I love your diversity! You shmoove criminal!

I am nothing if not diverse. :p Often liminal. Occasionally sidereal, but rarely exalted. ;)

Bumping up this topic for new rpg.net refugees. Seems like their social revolution purge blender has been recently set on frappé. :D

Come join! :D You can be an irreverent asshole here. Just don't be an irrelevant bitter non-gamer. :)

Quote from: myleftnut;1084801So I'm hoping I can find a place to read and post about games where people have common sense.

After all this, do you still want to be here?

Quote from: sureshot;1086684Anime is better than Marvel capeshit, Metal is better than Punk, Communism is tyrannical and evil, Anarchism is a crock of shit, personal horror sucks, and Harry Potter is the worst series of books ever written.

Touched my heart :D

Quote from: sureshot;1086684and Harry Potter is the worst series of books ever written.

I see your Harry Potter, and raise you one Fifty Shades of Grey.

At least one can jerk off to 50 Shades

Quote from: OddAutist;1087317At least one can jerk off to 50 Shades

Technically true if you are a repressed and sheltered person such as a Mormon missionary or a 1950's housewife, so Harry Potter is still worse than 50 Shades

However, anyone with a patrician taste in the erotic will do as I do and find far superior and more spank-worthy works in the fields of hentai, yaoi, bara, and the like.

Heck, even your average mom would be more likely to wank it to whatever the featured videos on Pornhub than they would be able to get off reading the schlock of 50 Shades of Grey.

Heck, campy softcore Skinemax flicks from the 1990's and 2000's are both more arousing and far more intelligently written than 50 Shades of Grey.

Plus you actually get to see the tits and asses of Misty Mundae, Beverly Lynne, and Christine Nguyen in Skinemax films, so it makes the wooden acting, nonexistent plot, and badly written dialogue actually bearable.

Also, as someone with close friends and loved ones involved in the BDSM and kink communities, I utterly despise 50 Shades of Grey for its rampant misinformation as well as its poor quality as both literature and fap material.

The woman who wrote 50 Shades of Grey doesn't know jack shit about BDSM, kink, or fetishism and her trying to write a book about it is like a 14-year old Call of Duty fanboy writing a book about military tactics and would have a similar level of accuracy.

Seriously, E.L. James is a smut author in the same way that Jace "Parkourdude91" Connors was a commando.

Quote from: Kiero;1087309I see your Harry Potter, and raise you one Fifty Shades of Grey.

At the very least thst series is guaranteed to keep them tied to their seats.

Quote from: sureshot;1087329At the very least thst series is guaranteed to keep them tied to their seats.

Greetings!

Indeed, I have spoken to more than a few women who *loved* Fifty Shades of Grey. Then, add in all the women that *those women* know, and have discussed the books, yeah. Lots of women are crazy about these books. The Book has made the author, E. L. James, a multi-millionaire virtually overnight. More women have bought the Fifty Shades book than any other book, ever, except for maybe the Bible. James' book clearly has sold in the tens or even hundreds of millions of books. I read one quote where it has sold over 100 million copies. That gives you an idea of how many women have bought and read the book.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I see a lot of comedy here.

I see people joking about what's going on.

I would like to play with it but I keep in mind that the SJW crowd takes this very serious. They want to control the message, first and foremost. They want to dictate how people play D&D.

I was an Rpg.net member and saw what happens when SJWs overwhelm a site. There's a reason for the recent influx of new members here --- they were banned from TBP for questioning how the SYW mods there manage the threads.

While you enjoy and post to threads I need you to remember these people have zero chill. They would infiltrate TheRPGSite and try to overwhelm the dialogue here, eventually:

They come in as disgruntled games banned from TBP, infiltrate as "good gamers", then slowly shift thread dialogue towards left-leaning ideology.

Because I've seen this very thing happen on TBP, it can also happen here. They have the Alinsky tactics well in hand.

Let us stand ready as we discuss the hobby we love.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087343Because I've seen this very thing happen on TBP, it can also happen here. They have the Alinsky tactics well in hand.

Let us stand ready as we discuss the hobby we love.

Storygamers try that here now and then.

Quote from: Omega;1087345Storygamers try that here now and then.

As long as the Pundit runs this place, we're in a very low-risk area.

Most asshattery gets flattened by other posters before it grows into any sort of actual threat anyway, so Pundit rarely has to interfere, from what I've seen in my limited time here.

There's also the fact that the bigger a site is, the more they have the pressure to conform to the Zeitgeist. It's no coincidence that TBP and ENWorld were the biggest targets for this wave of bullshit. They congregate the largest audiences, and therefore have to pander to some extent just to keep those audiences. When the pandering reached critical levels in TBP, then the shit really hit the fan and the place became uninhabitable. I doubt something of that scale would happen here.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087343They come in as disgruntled games banned from TBP, infiltrate as "good gamers", then slowly shift thread dialogue towards left-leaning ideology.

Alright I admit it. I'm secretly a pink haired SJW with a vaginapenis.

Quote from: Omega;1087345Storygamers try that here now and then.

I'll be honest; I do not trust storygamers. I don't trust Ron Edwards. I do not think people who put "story first" are being honest playing a game with dice and the varied expectations of people at the table.

That is not clean. I'm cheating that storygamers cannot express what they call RPGs is equivalent to what I say RPGs are.

Can they? They lie about dice rolls if it violates their concept of story. They shift an adventure line if it fails their expectation of where they mean to go as "storytellers".

I can't play with them. I can't even accept their ideology. My game had dice and player expectation that X becomes Y because I decided so.

The dichotomy of storygames is they are willing to overturn everything that founds RPG in order to settle their idea of what RPG is.

Is speaking English as Spanish because speaking Spanish doesn't at any given moment explain what they mean.

"Hold up your Barbie and shake her at the world --- NO, don't roll anything. The dice don't matter. What Barbie says is what matters".

I feel bad that we're here. I feel bad that I need to lay on a rooftop miles away from my game and snipe SJW celebs as a sniper contracted to silence what might be intriguing dissent because the opposion refuses to listen to reason.

So.

Reload.

The situation at RPGnet was all foretold in the holy texts of the Apocalypse of Doc Sammy, also known as the "Corebook of Revelation", which I was writing while drinking moonshine, doing edibles, and jerking it to bara manga and Rule 34 of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure in the sleepy coal mining town of Patmos, West Virginia

Alright, allow me to quote Chapter 17 of the Corebook of Revelation in its entirety.

QuoteAnd there came the Pundit which had the seven vials and talked with me
And Pundit said unto me

Come hither, I will shew unto thee the judgment of the Great Whore that sits upon many waters
With whom the media and geek hobbies of the earth have committed great fornication
And the inhabitants of the fandoms have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness
And I saw a blue-haired woman sit upon a purple-colored beast
Full of names of tyranny, having seven heads and ten horns

And the woman was arrayed in black and scarlet color
Decked in hammers and sickles and Anarchy symbols
Having a Starbucks cup in her hand full of abominations and tyrannies of her fornication

And upon her forehead was a name written...

INTERSECTIONALITY
PORTLAND THE GREAT
THE MOTHER OF HIPSTERS AND ABOMINATIONS Of THE EARTH

And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the bishonen waifus
And with the blood of the de-platformed martyrs of free speech
And when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration

And I wondered and I asked of Pundit
"How the fuck could RPGnet ended up like this?"

LOL.

If we stand strong against this silliness, the hobby will be fine. Is all.

This site can be a sanctuary for gamers looking to express their real ideas, free from persecution.

If we can defend that, it's enough.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087328The woman who wrote 50 Shades of Grey doesn't know jack shit about BDSM, kink, or fetishism and her trying to write a book about it is like a 14-year old Call of Duty fanboy writing a book about military tactics and would have a similar level of accuracy.

Accuracy is important for non-fiction. It doesn't translate to success in fiction.

John Grisham was a lawyer, but his "legal thrillers" might as well involved elves and dragons. He was sharp enough to throw buzzwords and legal bits around to make the reader "feel" like they were reading "the real thing", but in actuality it was as if NASA produced Star Wars as their infomercial.

It's an interesting dichotomy. There are plenty of "accurate" fiction authors, but much of the best-sellers are writing fantasies.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087343I would like to play with it but I keep in mind that the SJW crowd takes this very serious. They want to control the message, first and foremost. They want to dictate how people play D&D.

True. It's the 80s church ladies again. It's always about control and always about dictating how people should live, think and speak.

The last group hated us from the outside. This group hates us from the inside. But victory comes from the same tactic...laughing at them.

SJWs (and all their allies) are worthless jokes who deserve nothing but hearty and constant mockery.

That's how we win.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087343They would infiltrate TheRPGSite and try to overwhelm the dialogue here, eventually:

They come in as disgruntled games banned from TBP, infiltrate as "good gamers", then slowly shift thread dialogue towards left-leaning ideology.

Because I've seen this very thing happen on TBP, it can also happen here. They have the Alinsky tactics well in hand.

I welcome our new chew toys! Uh, I mean, new forum members.

theRPGsite is the Mos Eisley of the internet. Absolutely everyone is welcome, but everybody is packing blasters on their hip.

SJWs are 1000% welcome to post here and bring every Alinsky tactic to every thread.

The ONLY result will be more whiny and laughable "Why I left theRPGsite" blogs littering the Google searches.

Quote from: myleftnut;1087368I'm secretly a pink haired SJW with a vaginapenis.

And both you and your vaginapenis are 1000% welcome to post here.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087369"Hold up your Barbie and shake her at the world --- NO, don't roll anything. The dice don't matter. What Barbie says is what matters".

If I'm at a game and Barbie starts talking after being shaken, I hope we're playing Cthulhu while doing absinthe shots.

And when Shaken Barbie starts talking, I'm gonna blow off the dice rolls.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087370Alright, allow me to quote Chapter 17 of the Corebook of Revelation in its entirety.

THAT was funny.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087379If we stand strong against this silliness, the hobby will be fine.

"Standing strong" doesn't mean wanking on the forum.

"Standing strong" means actual play with actual gamers at tables where SJW bullshit gets paid no heed.

It's meaningless if all we do is wank on the forum.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1087408It's meaningless if all we do is wank on the forum.

Shit I agree.

Quote from: Godfather Punk;1086744Ah yes, totally forgot about that spat. :D

wanna summarize it for those of us who are curious?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1087408I welcome our new chew toys! Uh, I mean, new forum members.

theRPGsite is the Mos Eisley of the internet. Absolutely everyone is welcome, but everybody is packing blasters on their hip.

My Mos Eisley blaster is sometimes a rhythmic gymnastics ribbon. :)

Quote from: Spinachcat;1087408"Standing strong" doesn't mean wanking on the forum.

"Standing strong" means actual play with actual gamers at tables where SJW bullshit gets paid no heed.

It's meaningless if all we do is wank on the forum.

Exactly. As Kyle says, "Be Thy Not a Bitter Non-Gamer (BNG)." OK, perhaps less biblical sounding, but approximately that. ;)

Real people being real gamers in real life, versus "virtuous puppets" violently peddling their virtue on the Punch & Judy stage of social media. :) Both are a game, but one's a toy you can put away when done and develop real friendships (instead of tenuous alliances).

Quote from: remial;1087564wanna summarize it for those of us who are curious?

From what I recall, someone* put a line** in their signature that spelled out (first letter of each word) 'FUTANKA'.
Mod Tanka*** took offense and dropped a p-ban (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/infraction-for-razor-007-17-permanent-ban.834085) on them.

(*) Someone: Razor 007
(**) Freedom Under Tyranny Always Needs Knowledgeable Allies
(***) ban executed by Killfalcon; Tanka previously topic banned (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/warning-for-razor-007-warning.833568) Razor 007 from talking about rpg's.

Quote from: Godfather Punk;1087600From what I recall, someone put a line in their signature that spelled out (first letter of each word) 'FUTANKA'.
Mod Tanka took offense and dropped a p-ban on them.

Greetings!

HOWLING!:D "FUTANKA!"

Oh my god! LOLOLOLOLOL!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Godfather Punk;1087600From what I recall, someone* put a line** in their signature that spelled out (first letter of each word) 'FUTANKA'.
Mod Tanka*** took offense and dropped a p-ban (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/infraction-for-razor-007-17-permanent-ban.834085) on them.

(*) Someone: Razor 007
(**) Freedom Under Tyranny Always Needs Knowledgeable Allies
(***) ban executed by Killfalcon; Tanka previously topic banned (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/warning-for-razor-007-warning.833568) Razor 007 from talking about rpg's.

Tanka is one of the asshole mods, to say the least. Right up there with Ettin (Hell, he might BE Ettin), the two faced troll. But they're all such a tight clique calling one a bigger ass practically a distinction without a difference. They have a habit of getting a user on their sights and hounding them with little bullshit infractions for things that regularly ignore until they goad them into doing something that boot them for, they person leaves or they can use all the bullshit infraction as an excuse to perma-ban them as "Not a good fit for the forum."

They'll keep the closed account listed so it will count towards their membership, of course. Some of the account listed haven't been used in years so there's no telling how many real users there are and how many zombies fluff the numbers. Hell, I've heard some former users that have said they've gotten notices of activity on their abandoned 'banned' accounts from time to time, so maybe they have to be used to keep counting as active or there's some other shenanigans going on. The rpgsite isn't nice, but it seems less crooked than rpg.net. I'll give it that.

No one beats Darren MacLennan in the arsehole stakes. If ordinary posters pulled half the shit he did, they'd be permabanned.

Quote from: Kiero;1087693No one beats Darren MacLennan in the arsehole stakes. If ordinary posters pulled half the shit he did, they'd be permabanned.

Agreed.

Darren MacLennan is a degenerate Gothic-Punk piece of subhuman filth and if he were burning alive, I would not even piss on him to put him out.

Seriously, Darren MacLennan went out of his way to bully me and torture me when I was on RPGnet, all because I dared to dislike the Goth subculture and didn't want personal horror in my World of Darkness games.

He literally banned me for "not liking Goth and Punk influences in World of Darkness",

If you guys ever wondered why I have such a fanatical hatred of anything remotely punk in nature, Darren MacLennan is a major reason why.

Quote from: CarlD.;1087691The rpgsite isn't nice

:eek::eek::eek:

Ban this Blasphemer!!!

Quote from: Kiero;1087693No one beats Darren MacLennan in the arsehole stakes. If ordinary posters pulled half the shit he did, they'd be permabanned.

This is very true.  I even questioned him on Facebook based on his activity there after RPGNet said they would use your outside activity if it could be linked as a bannable reason.

Quote from: Kiero;1087693No one beats Darren MacLennan in the arsehole stakes. If ordinary posters pulled half the shit he did, they'd be permabanned.

I haven't run into this one. What's he done? Isn't he something of a head Mod or something?

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087697all because I dared to dislike the Goth subculture and didn't want personal horror in my World of Darkness games.

He literally banned me for "not liking Goth and Punk influences in World of Darkness",

Dude...Vampire minus Goth minus Punk minus Personal Horror = rolling D10s for no apparent reason.

But your dislikes about WoD are why I played Werewolf much more than Vampire (except for LARPs).

And you should buy Palladium's Nightbane (for so many reasons). You can get a used copy cheap.

Quote from: CarlD.;1087706I haven't run into this one. What's he done? Isn't he something of a head Mod or something?

He's the original arsehole mod, one of the longest-serving, which apparently means none of the usual rules apply to him. Some bullshit or other about how he held the line during the "wild West" days of RPGnet; you know back when it didn't actually require heavy moderation because we were all treated like adults who could resolve their own disputes.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1087708Dude...Vampire minus Goth minus Punk minus Personal Horror = rolling D10s for no apparent reason.

But your dislikes about WoD are why I played Werewolf much more than Vampire (except for LARPs).

And you should buy Palladium's Nightbane (for so many reasons). You can get a used copy cheap.

Ah, but running WoD in a way that removes personal horror is an act of resistance in and of itself.

We must trigger the Goths and Punks. We must own the Goths and Punks.

If I play "Some Other Game", I am caving into their demands and letting them win.

Doc Sammy and myself may not agree on much we do have  mutual hatred of Darren. I would not piss on him either if he was on fire.

Quote from: Kiero;1087711He's the original arsehole mod, one of the longest-serving, which apparently means none of the usual rules apply to him. Some bullshit or other about how he held the line during the "wild West" days of RPGnet; you know back when it didn't actually require heavy moderation because we were all treated like adults who could resolve their own disputes.

Heh, not like there's any rules that apply Mod(s) anyway on most any sites. But I remember the more open days on rpg.net too. I remember some calling for stronger moderation then; be careful what you wish for, I guess.

Docsammy,


World of Darkness started out as a personal horror game. If you want horror that isn't like that, listen to Spinachat and get Nightbane from Palladium.

Quote from: Lurtch;1087730Docsammy,


World of Darkness started out as a personal horror game. If you want horror that isn't like that, listen to Spinachat and get Nightbane from Palladium.

Actually, First Edition World of Darkness only used the term "Personal Horror" as a marketing gimmick and was more action-horror mixed with political intrigues and dark modern adventure.

Personal Horror didn't become a theme until Revised Edition thanks to the untalented hack Justin Achilli and his myriad imitators that came after him.

I will NOT play "Some Other Game" and I will NOT play World of Darkness as a personal horror game.

I will keep fighting the good fight and keep playing World of Darkness WITHOUT pretentious personal horror bullshit.

I will trigger the Goths and Punks and own the Goths and Punks by refusing to play personal horror AND refusing to play "Some Other Game"

Fuck Personal Horror, fuck the metaplot, fuck Nightbane, fuck Onyx Path, and fuck the Punk subculture and her bastard daughter subcultures!

Goths and Punks Fuck Off!

Greetings!

Hmmm...well, I am not a Horror fan, really. However, along the way, I did pick up the main Vampire and Werewolf books from back in the day. I wasn't very impressed with either of them. I also picked up NIGHTBANE.

I have to say, Nightbane was impressive, detailed, and interesting. I used elements of Nightbane in my own D&D and Rolemaster campaigns.

I'd say Nightbane is a good book, and worthy to own even just for the ideas, plots, creatures and other such adventures and cool imagery alone.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Hey now Doc.  Let us not diss Nightbane.  It is a pretty good game in its own merits.

Only play-a-monster horror game I ran was NightLife (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?28913-Tell-me-about-Nightlife), splatterpunk not personal horror. Great setting & NPCs. I ran it using AD&D though. :D

Did people really take that example Brujah scene as the approved canonical way to play Vampire:tM?

So literal boot-shod punk vampires in leather with dyed hair and facial piercings in every coven? That sounds unbearably tedious.

I haven't seen a RPG that achieves "personal horror". The closest was the Realms of Chaos for Warhammer 1e. In RoC, there were rules for your PC to follow the Chaos gods and eventually become a demon....but you gave up pieces of your humanity along the way, pieces that you really needed to hold your mind together on your road to demonhood because without some glimmer of sanity, you'd fall into the madness of mutation where you'd just become a barely sentient slave to Chaos.

I would not enjoy a weekly campaign where our PCs were devolving or desperately trying to dodge devolution. However, I think it would make a great card game or board game.

Quote from: Snowman0147;1087750Hey now Doc.  Let us not diss Nightbane.  It is a pretty good game in its own merits.

I may play Nightbane, but not as a substitute for World of Darkness without personal horror.

Otherwise, that would be "Some Other Game" and the Goths and Punks at RPGnet and Onyx Path Forums would win.

My only issue with Nightbane is its pretty one note without pulling in other elements like Beyond the Supernatural.

My preferred WoD setting is Mage. Less Personal Horror, more Philosophical Knife Fights in a secret war to determine the nature of reality. I've used vampires plenty in it, but only as adversaries (there's invariably a weighting towards Hermetics so throwing in Tremere schemes is always fun).

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087780I may play Nightbane, but not as a substitute for World of Darkness without personal horror.

Otherwise, that would be "Some Other Game" and the Goths and Punks at RPGnet and Onyx Path Forums would win.

The people you do not like already "won" if you're focused on trying to piss them off instead of actually playing the game you want to play. Just play the game you want to play.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087780Otherwise, that would be "Some Other Game" and the Goths and Punks at RPGnet and Onyx Path Forums would win.

Trying to play WoD in the way that you describe sounds very "punk" to me, so you're in danger of becoming your own villain. They've already won if they can control your gaming habits in this way.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1087789The people you do not like already "won" if you're focused on trying to piss them off instead of actually playing the game you want to play. Just play the game you want to play.

Shit. Didn't see this post before my own response. We apparently see this one pretty similarly.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087715Ah, but running WoD in a way that removes personal horror is an act of resistance in and of itself.

We must trigger the Goths and Punks. We must own the Goths and Punks.

If I play "Some Other Game", I am caving into their demands and letting them win.

Doc,

They've already won. If you want to *really* resist - create a new game that will win the hearts and minds of people you want to play that game. I mean, sure you can play their game any way you want - you bought it. But they ultimately got what they want from you. You're not getting what you want from them. Nor will you ever.

Using their game in some unintended non-conventional manner isn't going to change that fact. You cannot remove the turd from the barrel of fine wine and pretend the wine is still "fine". It's not. Make a new barrel of wine and shop it around.

LOL everyone beat me to it...

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087743fuck Nightbane!

Yea, now it's on. Fuck you you weaboo faggot!

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1087796Yea, now it's on. Fuck you you weaboo faggot!

To be fair, I only said "fuck Nightbane" in the context of being "Some Other Game" to be played in place of playing WoD

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1087803To be fair, I only said "fuck Nightbane" in the context of being "Some Other Game" to be played in place of playing WoD

To be fair, you stuck your head up your ass!

Now go buy Nightbane as penance. :)

I suspect you'll be a Palladium fan in about 20 minutes of reading.

:) I love our in-depth rpg chats. So passionate. :D

To add my voice to the chorus, there can come a point where you have to take a hard look at a property and decide: is what attracted me to it something that was there but is no longer there, was only there as something superficial or ancillary to the main direction, or was only there in my imagination? If the first, one can very well hold on to the old material and build off it in a different direction, but in the latter cases, it's often healthier to let it go and do your own thing. Although there can be something satisfying about doing a massive deconstructionist farewell to the property first. :)

Quote from: tenbones;1087793Doc,

They've already won. If you want to *really* resist - create a new game that will win the hearts and minds of people you want to play that game. I mean, sure you can play their game any way you want - you bought it. But they ultimately got what they want from you. You're not getting what you want from them. Nor will you ever.

Using their game in some unintended non-conventional manner isn't going to change that fact. You cannot remove the turd from the barrel of fine wine and pretend the wine is still "fine". It's not. Make a new barrel of wine and shop it around.

I read this in Emperor Palpatine's voice.....

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087343I see a lot of comedy here.

I see people joking about what's going on.

I would like to play with it but I keep in mind that the SJW crowd takes this very serious.

That take everything seriously. Which is the problem.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087369I'll be honest; I do not trust storygamers. I don't trust Ron Edwards. I do not think people who put "story first" are being honest playing a game with dice and the varied expectations of people at the table.

I suspect you've never actually played with 'storygamers' let alone a 'storygame'.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1087369Can they? They lie about dice rolls if it violates their concept of story. They shift an adventure line if it fails their expectation of where they mean to go as "storytellers".

On the contrary, that's exactly what they don't do, and why they moved to systems which can reliably create the experience they want. At this point the only place I see this sort of thing in in 'traditional' RPGs like D&D.

Quote from: CarlD.;1087691They'll keep the closed account listed so it will count towards their membership, of course. Some of the account listed haven't been used in years so there's no telling how many real users there are and how many zombies fluff the numbers. Hell, I've heard some former users that have said they've gotten notices of activity on their abandoned 'banned' accounts from time to time, so maybe they have to be used to keep counting as active or there's some other shenanigans going on.

Innnteresting.

I suspected as much, but having confirmation is... useful.

Quote from: jeff37923;1087828I read this in Emperor Palpatine's voice.....

I went back and read that post in my mind as Palpatine. I can totally see it.

... I can do it like Kublai Khan from Marco Polo too.

Quote from: sureshot;1087720I would not piss on him either if he was on fire.

I played in a Freeform once and one of the other characters caught fire, so I did piss on him to put it out. Not literally, but in the game.

Did it work?

It's *really* hard to put out a fire with piss unless you have a big tank.

I always laugh at the suggestion of peeing on someone that's on fire. For me that's like using a flame-thrower due to whiskey molecules floating around in my bloodstream.

Quote from: tenbones;1088344Did it work?

It's *really* hard to put out a fire with piss unless you have a big tank.

I always laugh at the suggestion of peeing on someone that's on fire. For me that's like using a flame-thrower due to whiskey molecules floating around in my bloodstream.

Well you know what they say about big tanks...

Quote from: tenbones;1088344Did it work?

In the game, yes. I think The Devil laughed so much he forgot to keep the fire going.

Quote from: tenbones;1088344Did it work?

It's *really* hard to put out a fire with piss unless you have a big tank.

I always laugh at the suggestion of peeing on someone that's on fire. For me that's like using a flame-thrower due to whiskey molecules floating around in my bloodstream.

I had a game where a Efreet turned the saying around when he told another "I wouldn't piss on you if your fire waned."

So how many more people are they going to run off before theres nothing left but mods and their chosen few? What happens then? They start turning on eachother? Or just get bored and leave?

I've been on no less than three MUDs where this happened and each one either is now empty, or close enough to qualify when your attendance can be counted on one hand. Same with forums and mailing lists and chat rooms.

Quote from: Omega;1088381So how many more people are they going to run off before theres nothing left but mods and their chosen few? What happens then? They start turning on eachother? Or just get bored and leave?

I've been on no less than three MUDs where this happened and each one either is now empty, or close enough to qualify when your attendance can be counted on one hand. Same with forums and mailing lists and chat rooms.

Revolutions always eat themselves. They've still got several thousand users to purge before they reach that stage.

Quote from: Kiero;1088431Revolutions always eat themselves. They've still got several thousand users to purge before they reach that stage.

I doubt the number active, participating users is actually that high, allot of lurkers, ghost accounts, etc, most likely. All the forums have a circle of regulars that routinely post and very occasionally a new name will pop up. And even some of the regular spend time in different forums as regulars there. It all serves to give an impression of size to rpg.net but the majority of gamers I know online don't know it exists.

Given the attitude the Mods project "This is OUR spot and you're here by our leave." I don't know if they'd actually mind the described ultimate fate though. The lost ad revenue but summon the admin however,

I'm not sure which is worse: The mod 'tude of "Oh pity us for having do the job we created!" or the stream of ass kissing gratitude from their subjects.  (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/us-politics-discussion-hiatus-may-20th-through-june-3rd.846521/)

Quote from: CarlD.;1088498I'm not sure which is worse: The mod 'tude of "Oh pity us for having do the job we created!" or the stream of ass kissing gratitude from their subjects.  (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/us-politics-discussion-hiatus-may-20th-through-june-3rd.846521/)

There's been a few folks take the mods to task for snarky inappropriate behavior.

Quote from: CarlD.;1088474I doubt the number active, participating users is actually that high, allot of lurkers, ghost accounts, etc, most likely. All the forums have a circle of regulars that routinely post and very occasionally a new name will pop up. And even some of the regular spend time in different forums as regulars there. It all serves to give an impression of size to rpg.net but the majority of gamers I know online don't know it exists.

It's definitely a lot lot smaller than it used to be.  I remember when if you posted something in the evening you had to often go back 2 or 3 pages to see if there had been a response overnight.  Nowadays threads linger on the first page for days without response.

I would say the D&D subforum feels like it's probably about equivalent size to this one in actual traffic.

Quote from: Bunch;1088505There's been a few folks take the mods to task for snarky inappropriate behavior.

True, that was interesting to see. I think some are getting a little fed up and I'm honestly a little shocked it didn't lead to the thread being summarily closed though there was admonition to not raise arguments, if they didn't want discussion/question why start an open thread? Make the announcement and take questions PM or as they come up. Its true posters that did that would have gotten a mod finger wag at the very least. But the bulk of thread is more "Thank you, sirs! May we have another?" gratitude for being freed from the terrible responsibility  to just not read things they don't like.

Quote from: Bunch;1088505There's been a few folks take the mods to task for snarky inappropriate behavior.

Which has apparently been followed by permabans.

A wizard did it.

Frankly, this seems more like Mods needing a break from their self selected job of micromanaging and tone policing adults like toddlers more than anything resembling reasonable though to be fair some of the adults really appear to appreciate that treatment.

Gee, the Wyzard stepped in, acted like an even bigger dick and started handing out bans, there's a shock. A month for a mildly irate post about other Mods acting like assholes in ways that would have gotten 'regular' posters smacked down, Christ... if it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny to see much minuscule amounts of power turn so many into swagging jackasses so quickly.

Quote from: Estrecca;1088548Which has apparently been followed by permabans.

The past year has been sooo tough on them though... The Wyzard has no patience for people taking shots at them!!!!!!!111elven. Sad...

Quote from: CarlD.;1088554The past year has been sooo tough on them though... The Wyzard has no patience for people taking shots at them!!!!!!!111elven. Sad...

  Apparently Unwritten Rule #1 (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40422-The-Woke-morons-are-going-after-Steve-Jackson-Games&p=1083531#post1083531) is now all but written.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1088556Apparently Unwritten Rule #1 (https://www.therpgsite.com/showthread.php?40422-The-Woke-morons-are-going-after-Steve-Jackson-Games&p=1083531#post1083531) is now all but written.

Oh, it gets better. This is rich. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-announcement-re-the-moderation-team-the-great-job-they-are-doing-and-my-efforts-to-ban-everyone.846629/)

Quote from: The Wyzard, post: 22603494, member: 22566I have recently banned something like half a dozen people from the forum, all of those bans occurring in the thread about a politics moratorium. It occurs to me that some of our users aren't going to be in that thread, and so I should say something about what's happening, because it is a larger thing.



I've largely stepped back from active, front-line moderation lately. I view my role as admin a little differently - my job is to step in as needed, most especially and particularly when the moderation team is working too hard, or burning out. Sometimes there is a call that should be relatively simple - this user really needs a permanent ban, this thread needs to be closed, we have to make a public comment about something that nobody really wants to talk about at all, ever. The staff likes getting things right, they are all very smart and capable of seeing things from multiple perspectives, they start to spin their wheels and exhaust themselves. I cut that gordian knot, make that call, relieve that burden. Or, well, that's what I do if I'm paying enough attention instead of slacking off and thinking about time travel.



I have not been doing my job enough lately and the mod team has suffered for it.



They have been working too hard. We live in an emotionally exhausting era. The particulars of any moderator's personal life are not up for public consumption unless they want to chat about it, but I can say definitively that some of us have it worse than others. Something specific I have not come down hard enough on is users taking shots, direct or slantways, at the moderation staff. I'm not allowing that any more. I'm not going to have the mods do the very best that can be done, and then burn themselves out even further stressing over whether some accusation of impropriety might, in fact, be correct, and in fact they've screwed up or been too snarky.



No. The mods are doing a great job. If someone has a complaint about them, bring it to me via the admin email, and by Goddess it had better be a real serious complaint, not just "they were a little short with me or posted a snarky meme." They aren't required to publicly defend themselves from every expression of user displeasure.



I am going to enforce this by removing users who make the job of moderation more emotionally exhausting than it already is. TL;DR: Go observe the bans in the thread re: the US politics moratorium.

Quote from: The Wyzard, post: 22603497, member: 22566The mods are, to be clear, allowed to be mildly snarky where warranted, in their sound discretion. Like, five out of ten on the snark scale without my prior written permission.



Oh, by the way, this thread is absolutely a honey trap. I'm really just waiting for people to reply, "But have you considered that the moderators are bad, actually, and I need to inform them of this?" Those are the people I need to go ahead and identify.

Modding a forum is "Emotionally exhausting"? Are you fucking kidding me...

Quote from: Zeea, post: 22603544, member: 436Speaking as an individual, I appreciate this, Wyzard. As a low-income transgender lesbian with an immigrant spouse, living in a place that voted for Trump, dealing with some serious diagnosed life-long depression and anxiety issues, it's been a bit hurtful and frankly infuriating to get hit with "silence = complicity" and things like that. I'm not always the greatest moderator and sometimes I mess up, and I'm very aware of that, but being accused of being some clueless person with nothing to lose is not okay.



I have been in constant fear that I will lose my meager benefits before I can get my income stabilized. And until very recently, I was in constant fear that I've never be able to live with my wife (who is pretty much vital for me having any sort of functionality and happiness), then in constant fear that her green card wouldn't be approved, then that it wouldn't get the two year conditions removed. In particular, it's only recently with the help of medicine that I don't feel like I'm in a life-or-death fight/flight/freeze panic whenever I see some politician advocating a policy that could ruin or endanger my life. And my problems are rather minor compared to what some of my friends and loved ones are dealing with.



So, basically, I understand why these discussions are important, I really do. We all do. Announcing a hiatus is not "fuck you, politics don't matter, lol" or something like that. And frankly, while we try to be as safe and welcoming as possible, these boards are never going to be suitable or reliable as someone's primary emotional support community or venting ground or activism platform. They're important to me, and they probably literally saved my life, and I met my wife here, and I met a lot of close friends here. But they're still primarily an elfgames forum and can't be someone's life.



EDIT: Ack, I forgot to include the other paragraph I was going to write. Basically, this stuff all sounds negative, but most people here are incredibly awesome people and I really, really appreciate you all. And I promise you, even though the staff mostly has to focus on infractions and such, we absolutely do appreciate and discuss the nice things that people say as well. Also, I just want to say that I'm not saying that everyone who has snapped at the mods with some of the hurtful stuff is an overall bad user or anything; I just think some of the statements have been unfair and/or uninformed.

The list of "street cred" in the first paragraph really puts it over the top.

Quote from: CarlD.;1088574Oh, it gets better. This is rich. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-announcement-re-the-moderation-team-the-great-job-they-are-doing-and-my-efforts-to-ban-everyone.846629/)

Modding a forum is "Emotionally exhausting"? Are you fucking kidding me...

Holy shit. They've finally built it; a literal hugbox safespace moderator pity zone. Now finally you can be banned for even an implication of looking at the moderation sideways, and it's been made explicit! The goosestepping has never been quite so cacophonous.

"It's not the end of the world, but I can see it from here."

Quote from: CarlD.;1088575The list of "street cred" in the first paragraph really puts it over the top.

I couldn't even believe my eyes reading this. To me it reads like blatant satire.

Very simple.   If you're burnt-out moderating a forum - quit.

Zero sympathy.  It's not like anyone's stuck moderating a forum in order to put their kids through school.  If you're not enjoying it, but insist on doing it anyway then you have some kind of fucked up martyr syndrome.

The world will not end because someone quits moderating a forum.
If you can't manage the same standard of behaviour you hold others too then you should quit.

I often get some weird Stanford prison experiment vibe from Rpgnet.  You've got the us against the world guards and the prisoners trying to show they're really model prisoners.

I can hardly wait for the next lifetime membership subscription drive.

That dude is a dude and married to a woman and he's calling himself a lesbian? White people be crazy!

Quote from: CarlD.;1088574Modding a forum is "Emotionally exhausting"? Are you fucking kidding me...

Of course it is emotionally exhausting!  Having to constantly think up new terminologies for banning people is not as easy as you think that it is.

I mean look at the posts by the Wysarse, its not even trying now.

Quote from: CarlD.;1088575The list of "street cred" in the first paragraph really puts it over the top.

I agree. Anyone who refers to themselves as a "transgender lesbian" is not actually a lesbian nor are they actually transgender.

As one of the few forum regulars on here who is openly LGBT, I would like to apologize for the losers at RPGnet and I want to publicly disassociate myself and any other sane LGBT folks from these degenerate freaks.

Sick fucks like Zeea, atamajakki, and David "Olivia" Hill are the reasons why we need at least some degree of gatekeeping in the LGBT community, especially in regards to the transgender community (as it is also a medical issue as well) and the communities of lesbians and bisexual women who are targets of the dangerhairs and the fake AGP trannies.

The former seek to prey on lesbians and bisexual women through their toxic ideologies (assuming they don't outright brand bisexuals as traitors off the bat) while the latter prey on women sexually.

AGP transtrenders often get pissed when an actual lesbian doesn't find their "girl dick" attractive or even bisexual women who would be otherwise okay with a partner who has a dick are ultimately turned off by either their political extremism or their disgusting perversity (seriously, most autogynephiles make me look like Pat Robertson)

Someone should tell the transtrenders and their radfem lesbian dangerhair enablers to get the fuck out of the LGBT community.

It's about time that gay men, bisexuals of both genders, and any lesbians who are sick of being hit on by fetishists but don't want to go down the rabbit hole of misandrist radical feminist nonsense told all of the SJW's, commies, dangerhairs, transtrender fakers, and "queer punks" to FUCK OFF AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY!!!

Heck, I also strongly encourage actual transgender people (the so-called "truscum" that SJW's despise) to join in the fight.

Zeea is a disgusting straight male with an autogynephilla fetish and fakes being transgender to indulge his lesbian fetishism and move up the progressive stack.

Seriously. SJW's and transtrenders are going to do more damage to the LGBT community in the long run than AIDS did in the 1980's.

Leftist Identity Politics has replaced HIV as the new viral threat to the LGBT community.

Also, this video is about 4chan's janitors (their term for the moderation staff) but it is also eerily applicable to the mods at RPGnet. Just replace "anime image board" with "elf game forum" and "Hot Pockets and Pepsi" with "vegan ice cream and soy lattes"

[video=youtube;pEg2idsBew4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEg2idsBew4[/youtube]

Quote from: Lurtch;1088580That dude is a dude and married to a woman and he's calling himself a lesbian? White people be crazy!

As a bisexual man who deliberately kept himself in the closet until he was of drinking age because of bullshit that was fed to him by Protestant rednecks in Bible Belt Appalachia, it angers me to see obviously straight men like Zeea trying to LARP as queers.

I bet he never had to struggle with self-loathing because he couldn't help who he was attracted to.

I sure as fuck did, and I'm sure those before me suffered even worse.

I'm not trans, but I can't even imagine what it's like for those who actually are transgender, seeing as it's a recognized medical disorder in the DSM-V (Gender Dysphoria Disorder)

I'm sure that Zeea got the idea to LARP as a lesbian because he's a straight male who jacks off to lesbian porn and has an autogynephilia fetish, and he just happens to be lucky enough to live in a culture where claiming you're transgender can move you up the progressive stack and also allow him to openly display his fetish in a socially acceptable manner.

I highly doubt Zeea has Gender Dysphoria Disorder.

There's a reason why homosexuality and bisexuality were removed from the DSM while gender dysphoria wasn't.

You can be gay, lesbian, or bisexual and otherwise live a perfectly healthy life as a functional adult and it's fairly easy to do so nowadays because it's not stigmatized in broader Western society anymore.

Transgender people often suffer severe depression and tend to have suicidal tendencies due to the very nature of Gender Dysphoria Disorder, and said disorder also has co-morbidity with many other actual mental and neurological issues.

Okay let me see if I understand the situation a few months ago they banned saying anything in support of and by extension anything positive about trump. A few days ago they put a temp ban on Us politics because so much of it on there forums is negative.

 Now I'm no expert but pretty sure a lot of Us poltics is gonna involve talking about Trump that your not allowed to say anything positive about......gee I wonder how they ended up in this situation

Quote from: Antiquation!;1088577Holy shit. They've finally built it; a literal hugbox safespace moderator pity zone. Now finally you can be banned for even an implication of looking at the moderation sideways, and it's been made explicit! The goosestepping has never been quite so cacophonous.

"It's not the end of the world, but I can see it from here."

This isn't what we wanted
This isn't what we meant
When our great rebellion began.
We hoped to make a farm where
All animals were free
Of hunger, whips and man.

You must be strong to grow Animalism
Rake out the stones
Rip out the weeds.
We'll reap the harvest of Animalism
Marching wherever
Napoleon leads.

 (https://youtu.be/0m1VsFOUePw)

Remember when theRPGsite had a banner ad running on TBP?

I think that it is time to do that again.

Quote from: Lurtch;1088580That dude is a dude and married to a woman and he's calling himself a lesbian? White people be crazy!

LMAO.  Post of the year.  What the fuck is going on on TBP?  It's positively ridiculous at this point.

Why exactly is RPG.net banning politics now?

What's gonna happen when the Democrat primary really heats up and pits their various liberal factions against each other?

If Trump wins 2020, I can only imagine the fireworks!

Quote from: CarlD.;1088574Modding a forum is "Emotionally exhausting"? Are you fucking kidding me...

Being the Thought Police requires spending a lot of Psi points!

Quote from: Lurtch;1088580That dude is a dude and married to a woman and he's calling himself a lesbian? White people be crazy!

Lurtch wins the thread!

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1088584As a bisexual man who deliberately kept himself in the closet until he was of drinking age because of bullshit that was fed to him by Protestant rednecks in Bible Belt Appalachia,

Well, if you're going to apologize for those LGBT individuals who also happen to be a-holes, the least I can do is apologize for the Christian a-holes who were so sh***y to you. Lots of us (and I include myself here) find it very easy to forget that "speaking the truth in love" has to involve a good deal of actual, well, love first before it's at all likely to be of any use to anyone. That God loves everyone is no excuse for us to slack off and leave that to Him.

The tone of the whole thing is creepy and manipulative as Hell. "Remember, Board Citizens, We are the only thing keeping you from the tyranny of rampant -isms, your only protection. Only we Mods can keep you safe and you want to be safe don't you? We only abuse you to protect you!"

And allot of them eat it up.

I find reading too much crap about a crappy forum called rpgnet very emotionally exhausting.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1088630Well, if you're going to apologize for those LGBT individuals who also happen to be a-holes, the least I can do is apologize for the Christian a-holes who were so sh***y to you. Lots of us (and I include myself here) find it very easy to forget that "speaking the truth in love" has to involve a good deal of actual, well, love first before it's at all likely to be of any use to anyone. That God loves everyone is no excuse for us to slack off and leave that to Him.

I really do appreciate the sentiment and thanks for your apology.

Honestly, with the demise of the Christian Right in national politics, I think the biggest threats to the LGBT community is from within the community itself in the form of radfem dangerhairs and transtrenders

I think both the Christians and the LGBT community need to bury the hatchet as a whole.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1088616Why exactly is RPG.net banning politics now?

It's only temporary.

QuoteRight now, things have been extremely tense in terms of US politics, and additionally threads have proliferated enormously. But at the same time, there is no specific thing that is dramatically happening right now - it's just the same old same old and generalized stress.

So, from May 20 through June 3rd, there is to be no discussion of US politics. All existing threads on the subject will be closed. People can start new ones once the hiatus is over.

For these purposes, US politics means anything said or done by a US (federal or state) politician, anything done by any branch of US government, anything relating to US elections in any way.

If something drastic happens, the mods might choose to end the hiatus early. We will do so only if we decide to - don't start a thread in Trouble Tickets because Trump said something vacuous.

And just so we're clear, stuff like "some person was the victim of sexism/racism/homophobia/etc" does not count as politics unless US politicians or government are involved.

(And please, don't fill this thread with "But if I stand on one foot and hum the Flumphlandian National Anthem, then I can still talk about US politics, right?" Don't search for edge cases and excuses.)

Quote from: rgalex;1088643It's only temporary.

But the bans of those taking offense to the mod-mocking of those who disagree are permanent.

Quote from: Estrecca;1088548Which has apparently been followed by permabans.

Howdy new member! :) Welcome.

Regarding the current hiatus TBP is taking from US politics I'm of two minds. I think I'd like TBP to be less political, but it seems they're only taking this step in regards to partisan/electoral politics, and only doing so to recharge their batteries to double-down on their moderation when they open that subject matter back up.

On the plus side it was interesting to see TBP push back against the "silence=agreement" complainers. Sometimes you just want to talk about gaming.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1088642I think the biggest threats to the LGBT community is from within the community itself in the form of radfem dangerhairs and transtrenders.

It's the curse of any successful advocacy movement that it inevitably succumbs to internal factionalism.

Quote from: Kevin197;1088587Okay let me see if I understand the situation a few months ago they banned saying anything in support of and by extension anything positive about trump. A few days ago they put a temp ban on Us politics because so much of it on there forums is negative.

 Now I'm no expert but pretty sure a lot of Us poltics is gonna involve talking about Trump that your not allowed to say anything positive about......gee I wonder how they ended up in this situation

That really hit my Virtue Signalling button. A public display of an absolutely consquenceless action meant to look like some kind of moral stand. It wasn't as if there was some flood of pro Trump posting they had to contend with particularly given that site political leanings. Personally, I didn't care not being a Trump supporter but it was kind of eye roll inducing... .like making a big deal out of forming an Anti-Kitten kicking coalition on PETA forum and acting like it qualifies you for sainthood.

Quote from: Lurtch;1088580That dude is a dude and married to a woman and he's calling himself a lesbian? White people be crazy!

I'm not a psychologist or neurologist and given the confirmed existence of conditions like  congenital physical intersexuality and gender dysphoria  by  such medical professionals there must be something to it, but the propensity particularly online of "I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body, that's why I have an erection, honey..." and other facets of the "Transgender" phenomena do make me raise a brow...

I mean just because other diseases exist doesn't mean there's no such thing as hypocondriacs and cons and men pretending to be women because the think it will result in better treatment or some reason isn't exactly unhead of.

Quote from: Opaopajr;1088647Howdy new member! :) Welcome.

I expect there will be a few more in the wake of the recent rpg.net purge. Though there might other sites that are getting the rpg.net refugees. Whatever happened to that site that was formed when Tangency wasn't Tangency enough? IIRC, it had a pink background...?

I think at this point, the optimal solution for TBP is to ban everyone and readmit users on a case-by-case basis based on their record, demographics, and ideological fealty. ;)

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1088588This isn't what we wanted
This isn't what we meant
When our great rebellion began.
We hoped to make a farm where
All animals were free
Of hunger, whips and man.

You must be strong to grow Animalism
Rake out the stones
Rip out the weeds.
We'll reap the harvest of Animalism
Marching wherever
Napoleon leads.

 (https://youtu.be/0m1VsFOUePw)

;) You nailed it.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1088691I think at this point, the optimal solution for TBP is to ban everyone and readmit users on a case-by-case basis based on their record, demographics, and ideological fealty. ;)

Tenkar did some demographic research and found that RPG net is super white and super male. Trannys are still dudes.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1084948I had forgotten about the whole ICE thing. There was also a time when they basically said any form of support for Trump was verboten. I can't remember the exact phrasing of it, but that's how I remember it.

These two issues were the reasons I finally and completely cut ties with RPGnet, including changing the name of my chatroom from #rpgnet to #randomworlds. I don't need a roleplaying site telling me what to think.

And welcome, myleftnut and other new folks! :)

Quote from: Lurtch;1088693Tenkar did some demographic research and found that RPG net is super white and super male. Trannys are still dudes.

RPGnet has a userbase and moderation team consumed with an unhealthy degree of self-loathing.

Why is anyone surprised by this?

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1088791RPGnet has a userbase and moderation team consumed with an unhealthy degree of self-loathing.

Yet an odd sense of superiority or at least self righteousness, particularly in the staff. They're the cream of internet gaming community, Hell any community so you must earn a place among them, tow the line or face exile (the ultimate punishment in their minds). There's also quite a bit of fear born from this. I don't know if it was deliberately created (but I don't credit of those asshole with the social sophistication to do that kind of psychological manipulation) or just a by product of culture. But many of the members really seems to feel that the rest of the 'net, Hell, the world is out to get them and rpg.net mods are somehow protecting them like cops or guardian angels or are just natural sycophants that instinctively kiss the ass of anyone with perceived power over them.

Check out this thread (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/can-we-have-more-moderation-like-this.845805/) if you can, for instance. The notion of someone being allowed to explain and that all Mod choices might not correct is so novel, really? And someone get permabanned IN that self same thread and The Wydick arbitrarily closes it. Rpg.net has really become self parody at this point.

The place always has been kinda left leaning, which I don't mind, but at least there was discussion possible between left and right users. And you were allowed to tell a joke.
But the lefties seemed more capable to organize, form cliques and gang up on those they didn't like. And the most vitriolic got rewarded with moderator duty.
I think one of the key events when things really started to go South was when they started re-instating permabanned proto-SJW troublemakers and making them moderators.

By the way, how many (ex-)moderators have been banned in the past years? Topher, Black Hat Matt, Holden, ..I lose count and the new forum software makes it harder to check.  The infraction titles have a different structure.
Not only has the Infraction forum been closed off for non-members, but the (automatically generated. ho-ho-ho) infraction notices themselves are cryptically useless and half of the time the mods don't seem able to control them anymore.
Heck, yesterdays' group banning was temporarily done via 'post-its' because the ban-button didn't work.

Quote from: CarlD.;1088799Check out this thread (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/can-we-have-more-moderation-like-this.845805/) if you can, for instance.

Ah yes, the recurring sycophant threads.

Quote from: CarlD.;1088799Check out this thread (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/can-we-have-more-moderation-like-this.845805/) if you can, for instance. The notion of someone being allowed to explain and that all Mod choices might not correct is so novel, really? And someone get permabanned IN that self same thread and The Wydick arbitrarily closes it. Rpg.net has really become self parody at this point.

Not just permabanned, but permabanned for asking why someone else was permabanned without an explanation given.

Even questioning the construct is now enough to get you shoved down the memory hole.

Quote from: Chris24601;1088811Not just permabanned, but permabanned for asking why someone else was permabanned without an explanation given.

Even questioning the construct is now enough to get you shoved down the memory hole.

Yet to some here and elsewhere we are the worst forum.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/regarding-e-mails-to-the-admin-account.846773/

If you're going to tell us about how your suspension or ban is making you suicidal, please don't.
Please seek help from a qualified mental health professional instead.


Jesus Jumping Christ...!

"Lift my RPG.net permaban, or I swear to God I'll kill myself."

Quote from: sniderman;1088824https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/regarding-e-mails-to-the-admin-account.846773/

If you're going to tell us about how your suspension or ban is making you suicidal, please don't.
Please seek help from a qualified mental health professional instead.


Jesus Jumping Christ...!

"Lift my RPG.net permaban, or I swear to God I'll kill myself."

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/1e1c759dd9669fb303133218dc261000/tumblr_inline_opmb070nOE1ub9xhg_500.gif)

Quote from: Antiquation!;1088577I couldn't even believe my eyes reading this. To me it reads like blatant satire.

I was certain this was nothing but a troll until I got to the part about it being written by one of the moderators. Holy shit indeed.

Quote from: Zalman;1088831I was certain this was nothing but a troll until I got to the part about it being written by one of the moderators. Holy shit indeed.

  The Wyzard is the one who wrote the 'Feminism is official RPGNet policy' (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-essay-about-the-board-rules-and-feminism-from-the-wyzard.753572/) manifesto four years ago that drove several people (including some regulars here) away from there temporarily or permanently.

Quote from: Chris24601;1088811Even questioning the construct is now enough to get you shoved down the memory hole.

Except they're absolutely in the right to do so. To be able to discuss games in good faith you NEED to be able to understand certain CORE REALITIES and truths (which are universally acknowledged and accepted if you were at all familiar with progressive studies) of Western society and if you disagree with them that's fine, but if you do disagree or have the audacity to ask questions then you clearly don't understand them and so you're discussing in bad faith and sealioning, so you will likely catch a ban. Why would they bother telling you why? You have a right to your opinions of course, unless you disagree with theirs (which is only fair). Oh and asking about someone else's ban is also bannable because obviously you're insulting and attacking the mods personally for their hard work (I mean, they do it for FREE gosh darnit); and honestly, you're also stomping on the free speech of others who could be emotionally damaged by your ignorance and careless attitude, as well as violating a platform which values intellectual discussion and rational discourse first and foremost.

How about you just acknowledge you are attacking and belittling other people who work hard for YOUR benefit at great cost to themselves. Can't believe how entitled you're acting.

Quote from: sniderman;1088824"Lift my RPG.net permaban, or I swear to God I'll kill myself."

LMAO

Quote from: Zalman;1088831I was certain this was nothing but a troll until I got to the part about it being written by one of the moderators. Holy shit indeed.

Perfectly crystallizes my estimation as to the severity of the victim complex which the moderators over there seem to share possession of, too.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1088832The Wyzard is the one who wrote the 'Feminism is official RPGNet policy' (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-essay-about-the-board-rules-and-feminism-from-the-wyzard.753572/) manifesto four years ago that drove several people (including some regulars here) away from there temporarily or permanently.

Holy shit. This really is a manifesto. Was/is he off his fucking meds? I still can't believe this guy is supposed to be a lawyer.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1088840Except they're absolutely in the right to do so. To be able to discuss games in good faith you NEED to be able to understand certain CORE REALITIES and truths (which are universally acknowledged and accepted if you were at all familiar with progressive studies) of Western society and if you disagree with them that's fine, but if you do disagree or have the audacity to ask questions then you clearly don't understand them and so you're discussing in bad faith and sealioning, so you will likely catch a ban. Why would they bother telling you why? You have a right to your opinions of course, unless you disagree with theirs (which is only fair). Oh and asking about someone else's ban is also bannable because obviously you're insulting and attacking the mods personally for their hard work (I mean, they do it for FREE gosh darnit); and honestly, you're also stomping on the free speech of others who could be emotionally damaged by your ignorance and careless attitude, as well as violating a platform which values intellectual discussion and rational discourse first and foremost.

How about you just acknowledge you are attacking and belittling other people who work hard for YOUR benefit at great cost to themselves. Can't believe how entitled you're acting.



LMAO



Perfectly crystallizes my estimation as to the severity of the victim complex which the moderators over there seem to share possession of, too.



Holy shit. This really is a manifesto. Was/is he off his fucking meds? I still can't believe this guy is supposed to be a lawyer.

Greetings!

So true, my friend! I just laugh hysterically at all the worthless cucks sucking his cock in the thread, yapping their mouths open in agreement like little birds being fed the Kool-aid of shit. Geesus these people are so fucking brainwashed it's pathetic!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1088842So true, my friend! I just laugh hysterically at all the worthless cucks sucking his cock in the thread, yapping their mouths open in agreement like little birds being fed the Kool-aid of shit. Geesus these people are so fucking brainwashed it's pathetic!

LOL SHARK my friend, you are right exactly on the money as per the usual. A thread specifically opened for people to come in and suck dick or get banned. Well, at least they're enjoying their punch!:p

We really do have it good here.

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Quote from: Antiquation!;1088843LOL SHARK my friend, you are right exactly on the money as per the usual. A thread specifically opened for people to come in and suck dick or get banned. Well, at least they're enjoying their punch!:p

Greetings!

LOL! Oh yeah, brother! I mean, just reading through all of their jargon--privelege, sealioning, structural power centers, and on and on. It's fucking mind-numbing. I remember being forced to wade into this bullshit during my "Women's Studies" classes in college. Note also how he agrees with the feminists that your "stories and feelings" are just as valid as any kind of truth or evidence. No, we don't need to abide by the same standards of truth, evidence, no, no. Becuase of the evil, racist patriarchy, we can juice anything from our soggy cunt just fine, and it should be believed and accepted as TRUTH.

I saw this slap-dash BS in college. It's all feminist propgaganda, distortions, ideological BS, and fucking lies all designed to advance Marxism, and suck the ass of women, to allow them to be the total hedonistic whores and narcisssistic, selfish beasts with all power and authority in society. Not just physical stuff, but teaching YOU how to think and feel. You must always bow down to the feelings, emotions, and experiences of WOMEN.

God, these people are fucking sick. I was always boggled by how totally divorced from reality, from evidence, from reason and logic, and established academic standards these people are. It's absolutely stunning how intellectually shallow these people are. They eagerly and gleefully ignore truth and evidence and reality, entirely prefering the sweet syrup of delusion because it butters their asses and tickles their ears.

It seems like RPGNET is swallowed up with these kinds of morons! Sureshot, a forum member here, loves to critique them on how they distort language, change definitions of ordinary words, and make whole new bullshit words up themselves, all of course designed by them and defined by them.

Fucking SEALIONING!!!!:D I love that term it's so stupid and ridiculous it makes me laugh every time I say it.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1088850Greetings!

LOL! Oh yeah, brother! I mean, just reading through all of their jargon--privelege, sealioning, structural power centers, and on and on. It's fucking mind-numbing. I remember being forced to wade into this bullshit during my "Women's Studies" classes in college. Note also how he agrees with the feminists that your "stories and feelings" are just as valid as any kind of truth or evidence. No, we don't need to abide by the same standards of truth, evidence, no, no.
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God, these people are fucking sick. I was always boggled by how totally divorced from reality, from evidence, from reason and logic, and established academic standards these people are. It's absolutely stunning how intellectually shallow these people are. They eagerly and gleefully ignore truth and evidence and reality, entirely prefering the sweet syrup of delusion because it butters their asses and tickles their ears.

These are what bother me the most about the whole thing; willfully paving over reality and individualism in favor of some power-hungry pipe dream where they can subjugate not only the ACTIONS of others, but the THOUGHTS and SPEECH of others too (not even solely publicly, but with the 'idealistic' goal of pushing such measures into the privacy of your own home and your own private freaking games that affect NO ONE else!). Plus the complete lack of self-awareness surrounding the entire movement and the irony inherent in practically every breath and typed word that leeches from their bodies.

It's a pretty good indication that your 'social justice' movement might be a little off-base when your own punch-drinking comrades start saying "whoa, hey now, let's pump the brakes some, maybe we're being a little extreme or harsh or close-minded here," followed by jumping ship completely after being devoured, smeared and denounced as a turncoat by their former so-called friends and allies. Any form of moderation advocated in intent or action or belief is quickly and summarily quashed without further comment or reflection.

As far as feminism most specifically, some of the most vitriolic denouncements of 3rd-wave feminism I've ever seen have been by 2nd-wave feminists and simply women in general. I would say pretty much everyone is being hurt by the ideologies being pushed by its followers (spoiler: none of them actually have anything to do with equality); save for the people pushing them, that is.

And as you had mentioned, how this is so eerily creeping into many corners of roleplaying not only as a social hobby and endeavor, but into the writers and companies and their products as well! I still can't get over the "Othering" section of the Fate Core Horror Toolkit, LOL.

I have to say, I'm glad that the few companies and people I purchase new products from anymore are disillusioned with the whole thing, if they even care enough to speak to it at all. That SJGames has held their ground over the FGG incident (not to divert the thread that way, just as an aside) has given me some hope in that regard. D&D and WotC seem to have largely escaped in that regard as well, although to be fair my contact with WotC is limited since I have not played D&D aside from 2e thru 4e (no 5e yet) and I'm not a CCG fan even a little bit.

Quote from: SHARK;1088850Fucking SEALIONING!!!!:D I love that term it's so stupid and ridiculous it makes me laugh every time I say it.

"Oarf! OARF! ARF! OARF! OARFF!!" flipper slaps at the ban key

Quote from: SHARK;1088850It seems like RPGNET is swallowed up with these kinds of morons! Sureshot, a forum member here, loves to critique them on how they distort language, change definitions of ordinary words, and make whole new bullshit words up themselves, all of course designed by them and defined by them.

You're giving them too much credit. They didn't design those terms, they're all adopted from the wider social justice movement. For instance, the origin of sealioning is this specific webcomic: http://wondermark.com/1k62/. Note it's a direct contradiction of the equally common silence = complicity claim.

Quote from: jeff37923;1088849We really do have it good here.

Damn straight!

Quote from: SHARK;1088850I remember being forced to wade into this bullshit during my "Women's Studies" classes in college.

There's a story here. Why did YOU take a Women's Studies class?

Was it a drunken dare? Or did you think the class was about looking at vintage centerfolds?

Quote from: SHARK;1088850Becuase of the evil, racist patriarchy, we can juice anything from our soggy cunt just fine, and it should be believed and accepted as TRUTH.

Dude, you're a poet! LOL.

Very fortunately, most women in real life aren't on the new feminism bandwagon.

Quote from: SHARK;1088850Fucking SEALIONING!!!!:D I love that term it's so stupid and ridiculous it makes me laugh every time I say it.

My favorite is when RPG.net goes psycho on some poor new poster who legitimately doesn't know all the buzzwords or backstories of their outrage drama and gets slammed and banned for simply asking innocent questions to understand the topic.

Quote from: jeff37923;1088849We really do have it good here.

Agreed.

Thank you RPGPundit for keeping theRPGsite going!

Quote from: SHARK;1088850It seems like RPGNET is swallowed up with these kinds of morons! Sureshot, a forum member here, loves to critique them on how they distort language, change definitions of ordinary words, and make whole new bullshit words up themselves, all of course designed by them and defined by them.

I read that Sureshot was a former member here and thought when did he get banned?  I had to read it three times to parse it properly.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1088877There's a story here. Why did YOU take a Women's Studies class?

Was it a drunken dare? Or did you think the class was about looking at vintage centerfolds?




Dude, you're a poet! LOL.

Very fortunately, most women in real life aren't on the new feminism bandwagon.




My favorite is when RPG.net goes psycho on some poor new poster who legitimately doesn't know all the buzzwords or backstories of their outrage drama and gets slammed and banned for simply asking innocent questions to understand the topic.




Agreed.

Thank you RPGPundit for keeping theRPGsite going!

Greetings!

LOL! Spinachcat! Yes, well, the story is that as I neared graduation and completing my degree for Ancient & Medieval History, and Political Science, my university advisor reminded me, helpfully, that, "Oh, by the way, SHARK, don't forget that as part of graduation and degree requirements, you must successfully complete a minimum of two university courses from the Women's Studies or Ethnic Studies Departments."

So, as a senior I had to hurriedly get signed into two "Women's Studies" classes the next semester. As a Senior, I had priority, so I was gauranteed placement in whatever freshman or sophomore-level "Women's Studies" classes I picked. Yeah, I rolled my eyes at such a stupid requirement. I got into these two "Women's Studies" classes and saw first hand all of the rank propaganda, delusion, and BS these classes are full of, and the professors gleefully pump this shit into the young students. The students are mostly young, stupid girls, that are brainwashed feminists and are on their way to getting their degrees in "Women's Studies"; "Ethnic Studies"; or "Feminist History". In both classes I was joined by three or four guys, and 40 or 50 girls, most of which were under the age of 22.

Here I am, Marine high & tight, buffed and looking sharp. The girls are all wearing shorts, ripped jeans, halter tops, tank-tops, or t-shirts, and flip-flops.

The debates I had in those classes were epic, my friend.:D Usually it was myself, facing off against the woman professor, and six or seven girls, all gathered around me in a semi-circle, crying and screaming at me, standing defiant.

I loved watching them blubber and sob, grabbing at their hair and temples. Blowing snot from their nose and wiping their noses with kleenex.:D I was some kind of horrifying tyrannosaurus from a bygone age, confronting them with unwelcome truths, and arguments that drove them to screeching, frothing hysterics.

In both classes, I ended up with B+ grades. I complained to my advisor that I deserved A's in both, but my advisor assured me that considering who I am, the grades were as good as I could expect. Good enough that no formal complaint of bias against the women professors would stick, and technically sufficient for me to shut up and move on my way. *shrugs* Yeah, that's the way it goes in our universities that are increasingly dominated and controlled by Liberals.

In contrast, my more conservative History and Political Science professors would cheerfully go over every assignment, every exam, every quiz and special semester project, and debate with me and review the merits of every grade and evaluation. For some students such as myself, that always worked hard and strove for excellence, such conservative professors expected and welcomed reviews of all work, as every step within a grade, from B, B+, A-, A, and A+ were all seen as being very important. A B+ is considered the low grade, and sure to inspire explanations and reviews of "WHY?" and "WTF?" Some classes through the years--especially with the Liberal professors--you just had to accept a C+ or a B+ and move the fuck on, as that was the way they graded *conservative* students. *sigh*

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Shasarak;1088886I read that Sureshot was a former member here and thought when did he get banned?  I had to read it three times to parse it properly.

Greetings!

Hey Shasarak! Well, as of 1822 yesterday, in the "Woke Morons" thread, Sureshot made a post. 6:22 PM. So, I haven't heard that Sureshot has been banned. He's been here a long time. I can't imagine what he would be banned for here.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1088891LOL! Spinachcat! Yes, well, the story is that as I neared graduation and completing my degree for Ancient & Medieval History, and Political Science, my university advisor reminded me, helpfully, that, "Oh, by the way, SHARK, don't forget that as part of graduation and degree requirements, you must successfully complete a minimum of two university courses from the Women's Studies or Ethnic Studies Departments."

Ugh. Reminds me of getting stuck taking "Social Action & Vision" to meet a degree requirement. What a left-wing moonbat roost THAT class was. I knew I was in trouble when the professor let us know on the first day that he thought Fidel Castro was an okay guy.

I was banned at first for their usual bullshit. I dared to defend Pundit from their usual brigading dogpiling "pundit is a terrible person because he refuses to drink the rpg.net kool-aid". One mod in particular if one is not careful tries to push one buttons by pretending to be reasonable. When its a trick for  "gotcha your banned " moment.

The second I mostly deserved for making a new account to  bypass the first ban. Either way better to be banned than deal with mentally ill, self loathing posters who are so afraid of being banned. That they threw away all self respect to be part of the còol kids club.

I may not agree with all the posters who I deal with here. Yet I rather disagree with posters than put up with a vibe filled echo chamber .

I particularly love the fact that both the Frog God Games and SJgames Kickstarter did do well. Notice how no thread was created showing how angry and outraged TBP posters are becausd it shows how irrelevant they are to the hobby as a whole.

So glad I got my BA (Bullshit of Arts) degree in the early 90s.

Quote from: SHARK;1088891The debates I had in those classes were epic, my friend.:D Usually it was myself, facing off against the woman professor, and six or seven girls, all gathered around me in a semi-circle, crying and screaming at me, standing defiant.

I loved watching them blubber and sob, grabbing at their hair and temples. Blowing snot from their nose and wiping their noses with kleenex.:D I was some kind of horrifying tyrannosaurus from a bygone age, confronting them with unwelcome truths, and arguments that drove them to screeching, frothing hysterics.

I almost feel sorry for them. How many were fuckable? Not 2am fuckable, but attractive enough to feel bad she was nuts.

When I was at UCLA, the hot chicks took their daddy issues into their psychology majors and only the fugliest of fuglies were in women's studies. A very funny and irreverant lesbian in my dorm said even she couldn't deal with the women's studies majors because they were incapable of laughing at anything. She used to joke about staying in her church because it pissed off both her anti-gay pastor and her atheist friends.

Quote from: Dan Davenport;1088925I knew I was in trouble when the professor let us know on the first day that he thought Fidel Castro was an okay guy.

Too bad your professor didn't get a chance to do shots with Castro. Shots to the head.

I briefly dated a Cuban girl would have ripped your professor's head off. So sweet, mellow, and quiet...until any discussion of communism or Castro popped up, and then anyone in the blast radius learned about how the "fiery Latina" became a stereotype. Her dad was tortured, her uncle died in prison, and she arrived on a boat that almost capsized. There were no "let's agree to disagree" with her on political topics!

Quote from: Dan Davenport;1088925Ugh. Reminds me of getting stuck taking "Social Action & Vision" to meet a degree requirement. What a left-wing moonbat roost THAT class was. I knew I was in trouble when the professor let us know on the first day that he thought Fidel Castro was an okay guy.

Greetings!

They loved Fidel Castro in your class, Dan? Interesting! Many classes I was in, there were whole squads of stupid kids wearing Che Gueverra t-shirts. Che Gueverra was very popular, with many claiming he was a hero for the people, and that he could inspire us today!:D

I woud just roll my eyes. It made me laugh to think when I was in the Marines what my sergeant or my Lieutenant especially would have done if I had shown up for our normal PT session, wearing a Che Gueverra T-shirt! LOL!

I wouldn't have been surprised if my sergeant would have beat my ass to the ground right there, and later ran me in front of the Lieutenant. The Lieutenant would have gone fucking nuts, secured my liberty for a month, and required me to show up in the HQ for an hour or so every day for proper fucking history and government classes. I can imagine all of the commanders getting in on that. Yelling and barking at you, are you a fucking Communist? What kind of retarded fucker are you? Where did you get this fucking T-shirt, Marine? Who gave it to you? How could you disgrace yourself and our beloved Corps by wearing this fucking Communist, Che t-shirt? What is your fucking problem, Marine???!!! Then I imagine they would have given me written tests over and over to make sure I knew American history and government. Followed by lots of sweating in the sand pit, an scrubbing the HQ and barracks heads. Until my attitude *improved*

Either that, or get Court Marshalled and sent to prison at Ft. Leavenworth for being a Communist.

But in our colleges and universities, Communism is fucking ceebrated, and Communist leaders such as Castro and Che Gueverra are applauded as great people, and brilliant.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Spinachcat;1088937So glad I got my BA (Bullshit of Arts) degree in the early 90s.




I almost feel sorry for them. How many were fuckable? Not 2am fuckable, but attractive enough to feel bad she was nuts.

When I was at UCLA, the hot chicks took their daddy issues into their psychology majors and only the fugliest of fuglies were in women's studies. A very funny and irreverant lesbian in my dorm said even she couldn't deal with the women's studies majors because they were incapable of laughing at anything. She used to joke about staying in her church because it pissed off both her anti-gay pastor and her atheist friends.




Too bad your professor didn't get a chance to do shots with Castro. Shots to the head.

I briefly dated a Cuban girl would have ripped your professor's head off. So sweet, mellow, and quiet...until any discussion of communism or Castro popped up, and then anyone in the blast radius learned about how the "fiery Latina" became a stereotype. Her dad was tortured, her uncle died in prison, and she arrived on a boat that almost capsized. There were no "let's agree to disagree" with her on political topics!

Greetings!

Hey my friend! Right on, man. I had some friends at work, in Orange County, CA. These friends of mine were Vietnamese, and they lived over in Westminster, near Garden Grove. Their parents and other relatives were refugees that fled after the Vietnam War ended. Many of their relatives were tortured, raped, persecuted, imprisoned, and lost everything when the Communists took over the country.

In class one time, I watched a little Vietnamese girl stand up to some towering white female whale that was spouting off how great Communism was...the little Vietnamese girl broke this white Liberal down like a storm of lightning, then she spent 10 minutes drilling this broad in Vietnamese.:) It was epic.

In my own studies, I have also been fortunate to make friends with many people that actually lived and suffered under Communism; Russia, China, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Poland, East Germany, Yugoslavia, Vietnam and Korea. NONE of them have ever had anything good to say about Communism. I reminded a Liberal professor of mine that such people are *PRIMARY* sources, professor...and far superior to whatever biased books you may have read in some university.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Outside of my first Women's Studies class I usually aced my Women's Studies classes. :) First one was where I accidentally turn in my final essay into the wrong mailbox and ended up dinging two different classes with incompletes (the other was a minor essay worth far less points). Still, was waltzing into my final with an A for that first class, even with a Teacher's Assistant who stated she was a lesbian by choice as a political act... and seemed to grade accordingly. :D

Had a fun time watching Hmong emigrés to the USA talk with Vietnamese expats during study abroad. Everyone had a fascinating time sharing their suffering. :) My Euro roommates toured Vietnam during break and got some juicy dish about how they really thought about Americans, too. :p And then there were the Central Asian Republics exchange students, talking about life during and post-Communism... ;) Let's just say everyone has cause to scream and shout; there is a lot of death and fingerpointing to go around. :)

(But then I also have family everywhere, including Lat Am, so this topic is treading familiar ground... "So far from Heaven, too close to the USA." :p It's the same everywhere whenever one is too close to a hegemon and its interests. ;).)

Rigidity. Flexibility. Fixed. Fluid. How do we follow ideals without calcifying or shattering? How do we juggle ambiguity without getting lost? Like the story of 'the Tree and the Reed', we all have something to learn from one another. :)

:) So jump in rpg.net refugees! We're friendly here. Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya! :)

So they are back to the "woe is me" routine over there?

It's fairly simple that it's "emotionally taxing the staff" over there... because you're asking for "emotionally taxing moderation" practices.

I'm no fan of Trump or whatever right wing group/person association they dislike. I am a staunch libertarian and I avoid posting there because I'm fairly sure views would seen as right wing in the extreme.

Quote from: Willmark;1089089So they are back to the "woe is me" routine over there?

It's fairly simple that it's "emotionally taxing the staff" over there... because you're asking for "emotionally taxing moderation" practices.

I'm no fan of Trump or whatever right wing group/person association they dislike. I am a staunch libertarian and I avoid posting there because I'm fairly sure views would seen as right wing in the extreme.

Pretty much this.

I used to consider myself a Social Democrat and a left-leaning liberal.

But now, I am firmly a libertarian because the modern Millennial Left has gone insane and straight into authoritarian Neo-Bolshevik hipster nonsense

Quote from: Willmark;1089089It's fairly simple that it's "emotionally taxing the staff" over there... because you're asking for "emotionally taxing moderation" practices.

It's all for OUR benefit, don't you see Willmark? They're sacrificing this of themselves for us, and asking nothing in return except our love of Them and Their Work.

Quote from: Willmark;1089089I'm no fan of Trump or whatever right wing group/person association they dislike. I am a staunch libertarian and I avoid posting there because I'm fairly sure views would seen as right wing in the extreme.

Sadly you are correct, it literally doesn't matter what you are anymore to the far left (not liberals necessarily). If you aren't them, you're the enemy of the righteous cause; right now, that label is some combination of: alt-right, racist, patriarchal, sexism supporter, rape supporter, white/male, anti-progress, anti-equality, fascist, etc.

It saddens me to think that creative people out there may be less willing to write or create publicly available content, simply knowing anything you ever write or produce in any game product, any form of media, will forever be there for these people to pick apart like vultures years or decades after the fact; inserting wild accusations of any of the above violations wherever they seem like they could, in theory, through metaphor, coincidentally, possibly exist. And then likely demonizing you, your company, any related products, etc. by association.

Then again that's pure conjecture. Optimistically, I hope there are an equal number who are fired up by this sort of opposition to write what they are passionate about without fear of consequence, or even directly in response to it.

Boy, the way Glenn Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade
Guys like us, we had it made
Those were the days...

And you knew where you were then
Watching shows like Gentle Ben
Mister, we could use a man like Sheriff Lobo again...

Disco Duck and Fleetwood Mac
Playing out of my 8-Track
Michael Jackson still was black
Those were the days...

Seriously, I'm just waiting for RPGnet to finally collapse under its own dogma and ban itself into oblivion and the RPG fandom will be richer for having lost them.

If Onyx Path Forums dies too, we'll be in a new golden age....


I'm gonna be drinking bourbon, reading hentai doujins, and watching reruns of All in the Family and High School of the Dead as a form of protest against RPGnet for the next two weeks.

Archie Bunker is the kind of hero and role-model the Millennial generation needs, but not the one we deserve.

Archie was based and chair-pilled.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1089093Then again that's pure conjecture. Optimistically, I hope there are an equal number who are fired up by this sort of opposition to write what they are passionate about without fear of consequence, or even directly in response to it.

I sure hope so! I have neither the talent nor the drive to write creatively in any capacity. So I do what I think of as the next best thing and go out of my way to buy the product of such people when I can.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1089097I'm gonna be drinking bourbon, reading hentai doujins, and watching reruns of All in the Family and High School of the Dead as a form of protest against RPGnet for the next two weeks.

I'll just have my vodka and watch a few Columbo reruns like that awful one with Shatner, then maybe some more Get Shorty. But I wish you luck.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1089097Archie was based and chair-pilled.

I'm actually looking at getting a reading chair very close to his for the east-facing room. You've got to have a comfortable place to read your books and do some writing. Reading RPG's laying on a bed or what have you is onerous to me now, despite having done that for years when I was younger out of necessity. Novels are different/easier imo due to form factor and formatting.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1089102I sure hope so! I have neither the talent nor the drive to write creatively in any capacity. So I do what I think of as the next best thing and go out of my way to buy the product of such people when I can.

I'm exactly the same! I'll likely never publish a single thing, I'm more or less incapable. But I'm more than enthusiastic about supporting those who are willing to dump their raw, unrestrained, unedited creativity and then work to polish it for consumption by the masses; that is, without having each element carefully manicured to meet the required "social quota".

Terrible Tony has decided to ask to get banned from TBP, and he did it with style. From his penultimate post:
   Moderator Text:
   Not giving someone a platform is literally the opposite of giving free publicity.

You, personally, were given a breakdown of how the arguments you're using get used to give bigots a foothold, and "No, you don't understand my position, we have to talk to the bigots/not letting the bigots talk is just giving them publicity," is not a good response.

No, we do not have to listen or talk to bigots, and no, banning them is in no way playing their game. The first step to having less bigots is preventing the spread of bigots, not hand-wringing on why we have to listen to them in order to stop them.

You're threadbanned, and take three days off for concern-trolling.

Terrible Tony:
Concern-trolling? The same person who apparently said:
   Everyone has to walk their own path but by accepting the "bad" things, we give tacit approval. Our acceptance of morally questionable choices, making them somehow acceptable is something I can not do. For me it has to be more then words, I can not just say "X is bad, we need to be better", and then go ahead and support X, it feels like I would be making evil, well, banal.

about his decision to not purchase Orson Scott Card books due to OSC's homophobia is suddenly a far-right concern-troll? Doesn't concern-trolling require that the person is fighting to undermine an argument by presenting a fake belief? You seriously believe an LGBT poster who thinks buying Orson Scott Card books contributes to making evil banal is suddenly arguing to support hate speech and has zero chance of actually saying what he honestly thinks?

Why do you even allow discussion on anything if the stock response to anything that challenges the personal beliefs of a mod is to immediately accuse posters of sock-puppetting/sea-lioning/concern-trolling/etc. and banning them? For fuck's sake, he disagrees over whether or not banning somebody from entering the country based due to inciting hate speech is effective or not. That's a legitimate thing to discuss.

Can the admins just post a list of thoughts and beliefs we're required to stick to in order to avoid getting banned?

Fuck this place. I'm out. I don't care that we're not supposed to respond to mod decisions on the board. Because you don't care what your users think. You've gone full thought-police. I'm a person who got manhandled by the secret service for protesting at a Trump rally and has supported several transgender friends against vandalism and death threats that occurred ever since Trump was elected telling you this. I'm not some insidious alt-right troll like your paranoid eyes see lurking in between every bit of HTML markup around here.

(for the record: I think the jackass in question should be barred from entry for inciting hatred. but I also think it's the kind of thing that's worth discussing to make sure it's a valid viewpoint. I'm not so insecure in my beliefs that I just tell all dissenters to shut up as a matter of policy.)

Go ahead. Post a snarky condemnation. Lament how hard it is to keep order around here. Even post a meme about how glad you are to ban me too. It's been sad watching this place burn itself to the ground. And for what?

Trump?   Wow......

Quote from: wmarshal;1089150Terrible Tony has decided to ask to get banned from TBP, and he did it with style. From his penultimate post:

Stylish indeed! Though I can't seem to find the post in question. It appears his account and/or the original post may have been deleted?

Good job, Tony. I may disagree with you on some points, but I 100% agree with your final post.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1089163Stylish indeed! Though I can't seem to find the post in question. It appears his account and/or the original post may have been deleted?

The revolution eats its own. The Bolshevik SJWs are in effect purging the Menshevik Liberal Left out of the spaces they control. Maybe Terrible Tony will visit us here.

The thread is in their Tangency Open forum. You have to be a member to access that forum.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/anti-semitic-preacher-becomes-first-person-barred-from-entering-ireland.845912/page-6

I have zero love for the preacher the thread is about, but raising any question as to how to best confront such people is forbidden. The Two Minutes of Hate threads that get going at TBP require no pause to be allowed to consider if the favored approach is actually the best approach.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1089163Stylish indeed! Though I can't seem to find the post in question. It appears his account and/or the original post may have been deleted?

Yeah, seems like a new deal with the perma-banned, maybe deliberate or some aspect of the new software?

Quote from: wmarshal;1089165The revolution eats its own. The Bolshevik SJWs are in effect purging the Menshevik Liberal Left out of the spaces they control. Maybe Terrible Tony will visit us here.

I certainly hope he does. TBP does seem to be accelerating their rate of autophagy lately... Thanks for the link!

Quote from: CarlD.;1089173Yeah, seems like a new deal with the perma-banned, maybe deliberate or some aspect of the new software?

No idea. I tried going to his profile to look at post history but there was nothing to be found; I checked another permabanned user, same thing. So I suppose it must be in some sense deliberate. Particularly as TBP has a policy of not deleting accounts due to "database issues."

Quote from: SHARK;1088943I wouldn't have been surprised if my sergeant would have beat my ass to the ground right there, and later ran me in front of the Lieutenant. The Lieutenant would have gone fucking nuts, secured my liberty for a month, and required me to show up in the HQ for an hour or so every day for proper fucking history and government classes. I can imagine all of the commanders getting in on that. Yelling and barking at you, are you a fucking Communist? What kind of retarded fucker are you? Where did you get this fucking T-shirt, Marine? Who gave it to you? How could you disgrace yourself and our beloved Corps by wearing this fucking Communist, Che t-shirt? What is your fucking problem, Marine???!!! Then I imagine they would have given me written tests over and over to make sure I knew American history and government. Followed by lots of sweating in the sand pit, an scrubbing the HQ and barracks heads. Until my attitude *improved*

Either that, or get Court Marshalled and sent to prison at Ft. Leavenworth for being a Communist.

.... Wait. So to punish you for supporting a communist, they would have:
a) Re-indoctrinated you or
b) Sent you to the gulags?

That sounds a lot like communism.

Furthermore, it sounds suspiciously like you were, in the first place, in a social organization that:
a) Demanded of you according to your capabilities and
b) Gave to you according to your needs

Shark man, I think in trying to battle the evils of communism, you accidentally proved it works.


(For the dense among you, this is a joke. Fuck communism and the legions of innocent human beings it impoverishes and destroys. But comedy gives us an opportunity to reflect, and self-reflection is always one of the greatest strengths of free speech, n'est c'est-pas?)

Quote from: Azraele;1089179.... Wait. So to punish you for supporting a communist, they would have:
a) Re-indoctrinated you or
b) Sent you to the gulags?

That sounds a lot like communism.

Furthermore, it sounds suspiciously like you were, in the first place, in a social organization that:
a) Demanded of you according to your capabilities and
b) Gave to you according to your needs

Shark man, I think in trying to battle the evils of communism, you accidentally proved it works.


(For the dense among you, this is a joke. Fuck communism and the legions of innocent human beings it impoverishes and destroys. But comedy gives us an opportunity to reflect, and self-reflection is always one of the greatest strengths of free speech, n'est c'est-pas?)

Greetings!

LOL! Yes, my friend. The military is a different world than the civilian world. Like my 1st Sergeant explained to us, the military is the closest thing an American will get to being a Communist, but we still have our rights. They are abridged, though, for the purposes of the military, discipline, and good order. Like he told us though, we willingly surrender a portion of our rights to serve the nation.

It is, however, against the UCMJ to be a Communist. In Boot Camp, they tell you that if you become a Communist, or have ever been a Communist beforehand, you can be charged with a criminal offense and sent to prison--at FT. Leavenworth, and/or given a dishonourable discharge, as deemed appropriate by the military.

Just recently, a graduate of West Point admitted that he was a Communist. He was promptly courtmarshalled, and discharged from the United States Army.

Good stuff, my friend!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Azraele;1089179this is a joke.

I've heard people actually use these sorts of talking points as real arguments before...

Quote from: Azraele;1089179But comedy gives us an opportunity to reflect, and self-reflection is always one of the greatest strengths of free speech, n'est c'est-pas?)

Very true. Well, for the rational at least. Seems these days we're increasingly less willing to afford jokes, comedies, or comedy acts the same sort of latitude they enjoyed previously.

When comedy becomes 'safe,' inoffensive and non-inflammatory, that is the death of comedy.

Quote from: SHARK and Antiquation!;1089181Reasonable responses

God look at this, isn't it beautiful? People using their reason and self-control to respond to things intelligently?

This is the forum at it's best; I'll never need to point further than this exchange as proof.

Quote from: Azraele;1089186God look at this, isn't it beautiful? People using their reason and self-control to respond to things intelligently?

This is the forum at it's best; I'll never need to point further than this exchange as proof.

Greetings!

Rare, isn't it, my friend? LOl.

Indeed, though, there's so much crazy shit in the military. A lot of it is fucking funny, you know? Even some stupidity along the way. But it is also this weird, crazy thing, because you have to obey. You have to follow orders, and do what your told, with everything. Some people are outstanding leaders, and simply magnificent. Then, of course, there are those that remind you of some kind of retarded Hitler, or Napoleon. It's all good though.

Philosophically, yeah, we were aware of how many elements of authoritarianism we had embraced, but as the military is built on authority, it is essential. That's the difference between having a professionaal military, and an armed mob. But there are things that always make us laugh, as well as the many ironies.:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1089181Greetings!

LOL! Yes, my friend. The military is a different world than the civilian world. Like my 1st Sergeant explained to us, the military is the closest thing an American will get to being a Communist, but we still have our rights. They are abridged, though, for the purposes of the military, discipline, and good order. Like he told us though, we willingly surrender a portion of our rights to serve the nation.

   The military and monastic life demonstrate that Communism seems like it should work, but also why it doesn't--both are elite/specialized institutions that also point to something beyond themselves.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1089190The military and monastic life demonstrate that Communism seems like it should work, but also why it doesn't--both are elite/specialized institutions that also point to something beyond themselves.

I've worked for the military for far too long to call them elite! ;)

(That's a joke. There are sections who are very elite, but the vast bulk of uniformed service members have most of the same failures, foibles, and problems with discipline as non-military personnel do. Ask any CID office.)

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1089205I've worked for the military for far too long to call them elite! ;)

(That's a joke. There are sections who are very elite, but the vast bulk of uniformed service members have most of the same failures, foibles, and problems with discipline as non-military personnel do. Ask any CID office.)

  Good point. :) 'Selective' may have been closer to what I meant, or perhaps 'voluntary or at least able to refuse or dismiss members who don't measure up'. In either case, you can't extrapolate from those smaller and more often voluntary associations to a whole society, as Communism attempts to.

The great thing about therpgsite is that at least the rhetoric and propaganda is genuine, and I know I can write something here without having to think hard about whether the thought police would approve or not. I am an old school Gen-X liberal, left long in the dust by today's rabid progressivism, such that I have bumped in to an occasional modern lefty who thinks that I'm somehow right-leaning which is infuriating. The erosion of free speech is damned concerning. Anyway...to the OP, welcome, and join the club....I decided (over the Bill Webb and a couple other issues) a few months ago that it was just better to give up on rpg.net entirely. I was so tired of having to try and figure out what was acceptable speech and what the intended tenor of a conversation was, and then I realized I was getting sucked in to the "game" and doing so only promoted this notion of Proper Groupthink that I hated so much. Real liberals (and any free thinker) should question their position if part of their platform requires silencing and punishing all opposition.

Quote from: camazotz;1089212The great thing about therpgsite is that at least the rhetoric and propaganda is genuine, and I know I can write something here without having to think hard about whether the thought police would approve or not. I am an old school Gen-X liberal, left long in the dust by today's rabid progressivism, such that I have bumped in to an occasional modern lefty who thinks that I'm somehow right-leaning which is infuriating. The erosion of free speech is damned concerning. Anyway...to the OP, welcome, and join the club....I decided (over the Bill Webb and a couple other issues) a few months ago that it was just better to give up on rpg.net entirely. I was so tired of having to try and figure out what was acceptable speech and what the intended tenor of a conversation was, and then I realized I was getting sucked in to the "game" and doing so only promoted this notion of Proper Groupthink that I hated so much. Real liberals (and any free thinker) should question their position if part of their platform requires silencing and punishing all opposition.

THIS!

Very much this on so many levels.

That's why I love The RPG Site despite my disagreements and hated RPGnet the entire time I was active there (2011-2013)

Quote from: Azraele;1089179But comedy gives us an opportunity to reflect, and self-reflection is always one of the greatest strengths of free speech, n'est c'est-pas?)

Absolutely!!!

BTW, there are many military joke books for just the reasons you mentioned. Military life has so many absurdities and hardships its no wonder so much humor has come out of there. One of my favorite lines was on the old TV show Happy Days, where the military officer had every document in triplicate. "One for you, one for us, and one to destroy so the Russians don't get it!"

Quote from: Godfather Punk;1088549A wizard did it.

Ironically The Wyzard, a straight white cis man, is the most insufferable of them all.

Quote from: CarlD.;1088574Oh, it gets better. This is rich. (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/an-announcement-re-the-moderation-team-the-great-job-they-are-doing-and-my-efforts-to-ban-everyone.846629/)

Literally an announcement that the rules of civil conduct do not apply to the ruling class.

Also a lie, as he's been trying to moderate places he doesn't even have the authority to like #Reddit.

Quote from: Pat;1088863the origin of sealioning is this specific webcomic: http://wondermark.com/1k62/. Note it's a direct contradiction of the equally common silence = complicity claim.

Also contradicts the idea that being a bigot is never justified.

Quote from: SHARK;1088850Sureshot, a forum member here, loves to critique them on how they distort language, change definitions of ordinary words, and make whole new bullshit words up themselves, all of course designed by them and defined by them.

#Newspeak

Quote from: Antiquation!;1089163Stylish indeed! Though I can't seem to find the post in question. It appears his account and/or the original post may have been deleted?

Quote from: CarlD.;1089173Yeah, seems like a new deal with the perma-banned, maybe deliberate or some aspect of the new software?

Quote from: Antiquation!;1089178No idea. I tried going to his profile to look at post history but there was nothing to be found; I checked another permabanned user, same thing. So I suppose it must be in some sense deliberate. Particularly as TBP has a policy of not deleting accounts due to "database issues."

I'll have to look into this.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1089190The military and monastic life demonstrate that Communism seems like it should work, but also why it doesn't--both are elite/specialized institutions that also point to something beyond themselves.

Also institutions which screen potential members before allowing then to join. Applying these standards to an existing society however requires purging members instead. And when that society happens to be the citizens of a country who have nowhere else to go, things can get ugly.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1089276Literally an announcement that the rules of civil conduct do not apply to the ruling class.

Also a lie, as he's been trying to moderate places he doesn't even have the authority to like #Reddit.

i know I keep repeating this yet given what was posted in the link the usual posters will still claim this place is 100 times worse than TBP. Why because we do not also agree with their positions on subjects and topics and refuse to engage and back their narrative. At this point unless one is a troll or just dumber than a half glass full of water. It is factually obvious that TBP is much worse than here. Man I wish I did not click on the link though. A pathetic bunch of yes people afraid to push back. For what fear of being banned on an Internet forum. Talk about a complete and utter lack of personal self-respect, all to be part of the cool rpg.net kids club. Yet we are worse then them.

"Speaking as an individual, I appreciate this, Wyzard. As a low-income transgender lesbian with an immigrant spouse, living in a place that voted for Trump, dealing with some serious diagnosed life-long depression and anxiety issues, it's been a bit hurtful and frankly infuriating to get hit with "silence = complicity" and things like that"
(from that thread)


Wow.....
Blame Trump for everything. All that * hugging* and " can we chip in and buy you a drink or meal?" (snivel, grovel, boot lick)
Two members in that thread banned just for disagreeing with others being banned.   Yeah, this forum is just like that....no, no its not.

Quote from: CarlD.;1089173Yeah, seems like a new deal with the perma-banned, maybe deliberate or some aspect of the new software?

Deliberate. The mods are deleting posts they don't like. A few people complained, and (surprise) were immediately permabanned.

I'm glad I walked away from that place when I did (right after the "no Trump supporters" dictat was handed down) -though a small part of me wishes I could look at the infractions or Tangency on occasions like this, just to laugh at the frothing.

Quote from: steelshadow;1089352I'm glad I walked away from that place when I did (right after the "no Trump supporters" dictat was handed down) -though a small part of me wishes I could look at the infractions or Tangency on occasions like this, just to laugh at the frothing.

That's was really a thing?  So tolerant....

Quote from: Blood Axe;1089354That's was really a thing?  So tolerant....

Indeed it was. I'd never let my political leanings show one direction or the other on that place (I was there to talk about gaming, fantasy media or occasionally goof off in Tangency's less vile threads - and mostly just to read stuff), but after they said anyone who thought counter to the site (in this instance, supported Trump) was persona non grata on the site, I handed in my badge (interestingly, right after making that decree, they also started permabans on request, rather than telling people to either walk away quietly if they didn't like the site, or to publicly flameout to cop a ban -almost like they didn't want to deal with a rash of public "suicide by mod" posts, like it looks like they're seeing now for other reasons)

Quote from: Blood Axe;1089354That's was really a thing?  So tolerant....

Yes. Yes it was (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-in-support-of-trump-or-his-administration.835849/).

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1089361Yes. Yes it was (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-in-support-of-trump-or-his-administration.835849/).

The best part is seeing the red banned logo on the members in support of the policy.  Maybe their Trump hate wasn’t rabid enough?

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1089361Yes. Yes it was (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-in-support-of-trump-or-his-administration.835849/).

Wow....hilarious, yet sadly pathetic.  For people who hate "Nazis" they sure sound like them. Do what we want.  Think like we do. Vote how we say. Or be banned. Maybe "reeducation camps" are next?

These are "Americans" ?  They talk like people Id gladly fight against.

These people are literlly insane:

Sphinx of Black Quartz said:
Please see point 6: "It is not open season on conservatives."
I'm not clear how "Anyone planning to vote for Trump in 2020 is a " implies "open season on conservatives", given that you also make it clear that "support for Trump" is NOT the same as support for conservatives or Republicans in general (point 3).

Along with some dolt saying that " 88% of Trump voters belong to a hate group ".

Some of the people I used to enjoy conversing with were awfully quick support the insanity. Needless to say, I am no longer on speaking terms with them. It isn't the Trump hate that gets me. I don't like him myself, and didn't vote for him. It's the tacit support of such totalitarian positions that pisses me off.

From my experience it is authoritarian left who were "with Her" having a total lockdown on dissent since at least 2015. I saw on several previously fun lefty politics websites utterly shut down all dissent and regurgitate in unison with mass media talking points. It was extremely reminiscent about the shift of righty politics publications and websites in the 80s and 90s to sensationalist polemics. The death of discourse is presumed every generation, however... :p

People who want Liberty will find common cause beyond their right-left disagreements because there IS a 'Cyberpunk Dystopia'-esque full-spectrum press against dissenting narratives, across nations apparently. :) Which makes our times a very gameable period for some quality Cyberpunk; this friction is good fodder for getting into that headspace. That said, just like there was no easy answers in such literature (let alone any hope of going backwards into a fabled "golden age"), there will be no easy answers here. :)  

And in some way, that lack of answer, that searching among disparate voices, is part of the fun! :D Welcome new members! Come explore with us! :) We allow you to throw your elbows around.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1089361Yes. Yes it was (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/new-ban-do-not-post-in-support-of-trump-or-his-administration.835849/).

Jesus fuck.  I do not support Trump and his administration, but that is some fucked up bullshit.

Do you guys think these people smell their own hypocrisy or are they so deluded that they're blind to it?  This behavior kind of reminds me of post colonial theory.  Where the once oppressed take on the behavior of their once oppressors but end up just directing the oppression at their own people.

I hardly ever post here, I'm more of an RPG Pub/BRPCentral guy, but I also used to occasionally post in TBP
I'll probably be showing up in here more, given the vibe with TBP.

I got a one-week ban over something quite minor, actually politely indicating that people have different opinions, and that seemed to be viewed with contempt.
So I haven't logged back on there ever since, given that the Mods are acting quite fascist these days
As someone not from the USA, I find it a very sad state of affairs when a country built on the principles of Liberty can have such extreme moderation in something casual like a rpg forum.

This place gets a bit wild and wooly at times, heh heh, but it's a helluva lot more decent than TBP these days.
At least folks seem to still believe in free speech here.

Oh, I don't really care which forum I read and post in. I'm as happy here as in RPG.NET, RPG Pub, BRP Central or wherever.

As a moderate liberal, I see a lot of posts about politics that I strongly disagree with, but just ignore them. One of my friends on Facebook has pretty much the opposite views politically to me and posts a lot of stuff that I absolutely detest, but also posts really good gaming stuff, so I read the gaming stuff and ignore the other stuff, although I do comment on some of the political posts. The general political beliefs on The RPG Site are normally very far from my own, but I ignore them, scroll down or just don't open them.

I don't read all the posts in a Forum, instead I look at those things that I am interested in or like the look of. I just ignore the obviously political and trolling threads.

soltakss, your approach is so reasonable and sensible that you gotta get banned!!! :)

And kudos for keeping a Facebook friend who has opposite political views. That's a rarity for either Right or Left these days.

Quote from: myleftnut;1089365The best part is seeing the red banned logo on the members in support of the policy.  Maybe their Trump hate wasn't rabid enough?

That's just awesome! You gotta love it when the revolution eats its own.

Quote from: myleftnut;1089378Do you guys think these people smell their own hypocrisy or are they so deluded that they're blind to it?

They're definitely blind to it. I fully believe this behavior is something that was evolutionary selected for in humans. A tribe that blindly follows a single idea are just going to be stronger than tribes that don't, at least historically. Of course in the modern age when you purge people they end up going to work for your enemy and invent the atom bomb(jews fleeing Germany). Tech requires diversity of thought and an accurate view of reality, not just blind fervor.

Quote from: myleftnut;1089378Do you guys think these people smell their own hypocrisy or are they so deluded that they're blind to it?  

I have seen this with my ex-best friend of the time. To be part of the cool kids club he threw all self-respect and alienated myself as a friend. All so that he could be accepted with a group that he though was cooler and better than him. Only to be to used by them and tossed aside. When the damage was done he tried to weasel his way back into my good graces. What he said to me at the time burned too many bridges and we are friends yet we do not hang out like we used to. Unlike him I did not do the stupid thing of grouping friends into "cool group and non-cool group" friends while telling people to their faces. That and the guy is a spoiled , single 46 year old who only wants to drink and do things he enjoys. Whenever I would hang-out with the guy it felt less like a friendship and more like work and I already have a full time paying job. I do not have the energy or will to put up with his crap any longer.

I think many know deep down they are hypocrites, yet the sheer fear of being banned from rpg.net means they are willing to throw away any and all self-respect while letting the mods treat them like crap. Which I will never understand. They are not getting paid, no benefits like Dental or Medical Insurance so why even put up with the mods totalitarianism let alone be scared of being banned. Sure I was angry at being banned from rpg.net which lasted 5 minutes and I went on with my life. I enjoy posting here and other websites that does not mean I live through these websites. The sad part is some posters here either because they are mentally ill or want to push an narrative despite factual evidence contrary to said narrative exists will still claim this is the worst place and come off as hypocrites. At this point given what Rpg.net has been doing to it's own members and it being documented to claim this place is still worse than that site is either not being all their in the head or stupidly, stubbornly, obsessively wanting to push a narrative. Or as is usually the case the members here refuse to provide an echo chamber to said members and that equals myself and everyone else here being worse than rpg.net.

Quote from: camazotz;1089212The great thing about therpgsite is that at least the rhetoric and propaganda is genuine, and I know I can write something here without having to think hard about whether the thought police would approve or not. I am an old school Gen-X liberal, left long in the dust by today's rabid progressivism, such that I have bumped in to an occasional modern lefty who thinks that I'm somehow right-leaning which is infuriating. The erosion of free speech is damned concerning. Anyway...to the OP, welcome, and join the club....I decided (over the Bill Webb and a couple other issues) a few months ago that it was just better to give up on rpg.net entirely. I was so tired of having to try and figure out what was acceptable speech and what the intended tenor of a conversation was, and then I realized I was getting sucked in to the "game" and doing so only promoted this notion of Proper Groupthink that I hated so much. Real liberals (and any free thinker) should question their position if part of their platform requires silencing and punishing all opposition.

That's pretty much me as well.  I left that site a while ago and found this one.  I don't post here often, but rpg.net is a toxic dumpster fire.  I've seen people banned or shut out of threads for essentially nothing or very mild posts.  I thought to myself "holy shit", and it was basically for badwrongthink, and left there totally disgusted.

The good part about the radical left is that in the end it always swallows itself, dog-eat-dog-style. The problem is the people it takes down with it.

I read/skimmed through that thread on TBP... and it was so ridiculously funny/scary/sad. This is a temporary triumph of humanity over nature that we've allowed such weakness to flourish against the dictates of reality.


Round 1 - Humanity.

But you know... Nature is the greatest counter-puncher of all time.

I was reminded of an exchange I had on RPGnet a few years ago the other day. I was complaining about the way my wife (at the time heavily pregnant) had been prevented from getting on a crowded bus by the driver for some reason or other. One of the gobby trans-twats thought this was a good opportunity to derail the entire conversation to wax lyrical about how as a trans person, they were so much more "vulnerable" than a pregnant woman, who's plight didn't matter. They couldn't understand that a very pregnant women is physically impaired and being made to walk several miles is of greater significance than if they were made to do so.

Quote from: Kiero;1089759I was reminded of an exchange I had on RPGnet a few years ago the other day. I was complaining about the way my wife (at the time heavily pregnant) had been prevented from getting on a crowded bus by the driver for some reason or other. One of the gobby trans-twats thought this was a good opportunity to derail the entire conversation to wax lyrical about how as a trans person, they were so much more "vulnerable" than a pregnant woman, who's plight didn't matter. They couldn't understand that a very pregnant women is physically impaired and being made to walk several miles is of greater significance than if they were made to do so.

"But who cares about your problems? This is a great opportunity to make it about me."
- Trans-Twat

Because you know there is no problem worse than whatever hurts their feelings and no discussion can be had without acknowledging this subjective fact. No problem has ever existed that can come close to their issues. None!

There are people being beheaded and tossed off buildings, sold into slavery in public abroad - in 2019. But hey! We need to piss in the wrong bathroom, and worry about our inclusion in American entertainment.

Quote from: Kiero;1089759I was reminded of an exchange I had on RPGnet a few years ago the other day. I was complaining about the way my wife (at the time heavily pregnant) had been prevented from getting on a crowded bus by the driver for some reason or other. One of the gobby trans-twats thought this was a good opportunity to derail the entire conversation to wax lyrical about how as a trans person, they were so much more "vulnerable" than a pregnant woman, who's plight didn't matter. They couldn't understand that a very pregnant women is physically impaired and being made to walk several miles is of greater significance than if they were made to do so.

Ugh, the LGBT community needs to kick out the trannies the way things are going, or at least the sick transtrender fakers so often seen at RPGnet

They've hijacked the community and are going after anyone who doesn't bend to their will, as well as bisexuals of both genders.

As a bi guy who does not bend to their crybully nonsense, I am naturally pissed. This only makes me more pissed that these tranny fakers obviously think their feelings are more important than the physical pain of a pregnant woman.

Transgenderism is a way for unexceptional people to feel special about themselves. There is a reason why it impacts disproportionately white, men, from middle to upper middle class backgrounds and has been strongly correlated to the use of Tumblr.

It's a mental disease and should be treated as such.

Quote from: Lurtch;1089776Transgenderism is a way for unexceptional people to feel special about themselves. There is a reason why it impacts disproportionately white, men, from middle to upper middle class backgrounds and has been strongly correlated to the use of Tumblr.

It's a mental disease and should be treated as such.

You are correct.

There are actual transgender people, and they all also have a medical disorder called Gender Dysphoria Disorder, and I have more sympathy towards them than I do towards the RPGnet/Tumblr trannies.

Quote from: CarlD.;1088574Modding a forum is "Emotionally exhausting"? Are you fucking kidding me...

You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then. Yes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

But obviously Wyzard has never actually had a real emotionally exhausting time because they and their flunkies just ban people left and right without even a thought. The emotionally exhausting part comes with you actually take your damn job seriously and treat people like human beings rather than your chattel to be killed on a whim because it amuses you.

In 20 years of being just a sub admin on a RPing site I had to deal with sorting out all manner of complaints and just fuck all jackass behavior. The worst is trying to sort out disputes and figure out who did what to who or even if what player A thinks Player B did was really as bad as they think/claim. And dealing with no less than two stalkers. Not to mention an ongoing covert war with a hate group that kept sending in spies to infiltraite and cause distension amongst the players. THAT is fucking exhausting on all levels.

At some point they seem to have lost sight of the responsibilities and what it means to be an admin on a forum.

I really do wonder how they're going to handle the change in California law which will require them to allow people to delete their records with RPG.net. Move their HQ and officers (of the underlying company) out of California?

Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then.

Yes, actually I have and it was hardly close to "emotionally exhausting", tiresome dealing with some assholes some times but far from exhausting.

Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then.

You'd be incorrect in that assumption.

QuoteYes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

Perhaps we have different definitions of the term or you had some remarkably bad experience(s) but I haven't run in it nor has anyone I've known that served in such a capacity found the job that taxing. It does seem that if one did then the option to quit the entirely voluntary and usually, IME, unpaid job would be viable instead of acting like raging dickhead of a corrupt security guard.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1089783I really do wonder how they're going to handle the change in California law which will require them to allow people to delete their records with RPG.net. Move their HQ and officers (of the underlying company) out of California?

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/account-deletion.845158/post-22563184

"You seem terribly concerned about a site you don't seem to care much about, since you're leaving again; one does really wonder why."


Hilarious how quickly a boot licker rushed to criticize for someone daring to ask a question of their masters.

Quote from: Pat;1089788https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/account-deletion.845158/post-22563184

Their "we don't have to remove old account from our member count because free speech" claim is iffy... showing an inflated membership, likely for purposes of inflating banner ad rates, probably skews closer to "intent to defraud" than "free speech."

If they had anything worth the legal fees it would take to sue over it, it'd almost be worth it.

Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then. Yes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

But obviously Wyzard has never actually had a real emotionally exhausting time because they and their flunkies just ban people left and right without even a thought. The emotionally exhausting part comes with you actually take your damn job seriously and treat people like human beings rather than your chattel to be killed on a whim because it amuses you.

In 20 years of being just a sub admin on a RPing site I had to deal with sorting out all manner of complaints and just fuck all jackass behavior. The worst is trying to sort out disputes and figure out who did what to who or even if what player A thinks Player B did was really as bad as they think/claim. And dealing with no less than two stalkers. Not to mention an ongoing covert war with a hate group that kept sending in spies to infiltraite and cause distension amongst the players. THAT is fucking exhausting on all levels.

At some point they seem to have lost sight of the responsibilities and what it means to be an admin on a forum.

This is why I prefer boards that either allow most everything, or simply nuke people who don't fit.  We're not going to get to the bottom of anything, we're either going to have a party or burial at sea.  Social gatherings aren't courts, there is no fairness, it's only whether a person improves the scene or not.  If someone shits on my rug, I don't care whether it's malicious or unintentional - they're not coming back in my home.  And it it's because of uncontrollable anal leakage that isn't chosen, I'm sorry for your lot but I'm not scraping shit out of my carpet.

Quote from: EOTB;1089792This is why I prefer boards that either allow most everything, or simply nuke people who don't fit.  We're not going to get to the bottom of anything, we're either going to have a party or burial at sea.  Social gatherings aren't courts, there is no fairness, it's only whether a person improves the scene or not.  If someone shits on my rug, I don't care whether it's malicious or unintentional - they're not coming back in my home.  And it it's because of uncontrollable anal leakage that isn't chosen, I'm sorry for your lot but I'm not scraping shit out of my carpet.

Well, here's the thing: the RPGnet Mods DO nuke people who "don't fit". The explanation I was given as to why I shouldn't mod leftist behavior the same way as rightist behavior was that RPGnet was like a left-leaning party and that there was no need for "troublemakers". (Mind you, it's been years and I don't remember the exact words used, but that was the gist of it.

The sooner RPGnet and Onyx Path Forums go down, the better...

Quote from: Kiero;1089759One of the gobby trans-twats

As I read that, I slammed my hand over my mouth not spray across my screen, but as I had been drinking sparkling water, the effervescence doubled back up my nose and I am now in a bizarre combo of laughter and pain.

And this is obviously WAY worse than your pregnant wife walking several miles!

Quote from: Dan Davenport;1089794Well, here's the thing: the RPGnet Mods DO nuke people who "don't fit". The explanation I was given as to why I shouldn't mod leftist behavior the same way as rightist behavior was that RPGnet was like a left-leaning party and that there was no need for "troublemakers". (Mind you, it's been years and I don't remember the exact words used, but that was the gist of it.

A lot of you have a personal investment in RPGnet that I don't.  It never feels good to be told you're no longer welcome someplace that changed around you, especially when you've put time into it.

The only thing worse is to stay.  Clean breaks and all that.  Incredibly easy to say, I recognize.  But it's still true.

Quote from: EOTB;1089800A lot of you have a personal investment in RPGnet that I don't.  It never feels good to be told you're no longer welcome someplace that changed around you, especially when you've put time into it.

The only thing worse is to stay.  Clean breaks and all that.  Incredibly easy to say, I recognize.  But it's still true.

I'm with you on this, but I miss some of the posters.

I miss Darth Tang, he always had some of the best stories. I got several adventure ideas out of them.

Quote from: jeff37923;1089818I'm with you on this, but I miss some of the posters.

I miss Darth Tang, he always had some of the best stories. I got several adventure ideas out of them.

Oh man, memories.
I miss raiding with Black Sky Guild. Luckily I stopped playing WoW before I left RPG.net.

Quote from: EOTB;1089792This is why I prefer boards that either allow most everything, or simply nuke people who don't fit.  We're not going to get to the bottom of anything, we're either going to have a party or burial at sea.  Social gatherings aren't courts, there is no fairness, it's only whether a person improves the scene or not.  If someone shits on my rug, I don't care whether it's malicious or unintentional - they're not coming back in my home.  And it it's because of uncontrollable anal leakage that isn't chosen, I'm sorry for your lot but I'm not scraping shit out of my carpet.

One thing I have seen way too often is when the admin/owners of a forum or chat appoint players as moderators, and then step back and do absolutely nothing when these moderators get out of hand. Or worse, allow the moderators to appoint eachother, which inevitibebly devolves into a cligue who abuse members because they can.

Seen it on MUDs, MUCKs and even some RPG organized play systems.

I had some mini-mods working under me and when they got out of hand I sent them a note to either cut it out or step down or else they were out.

Really people. It is YOUR FUCKING THING! Either tell them to stop fucking around. Or give these jackasses the boot as they are BLEEDING YOU DRY of members or ruining your things reputation! argh!

Quote from: EOTB;1089800A lot of you have a personal investment in RPGnet that I don't.  It never feels good to be told you're no longer welcome someplace that changed around you, especially when you've put time into it.

The only thing worse is to stay.  Clean breaks and all that.  Incredibly easy to say, I recognize.  But it's still true.

Oh do I know the feeling.

I was a moderator for the hermaprodite group way the hell back. A gathering for both the real thing and those who just liked to RP as one. At some point they made moderator of a person who proceeded to get really nasty and when I took him to task about it he got really vile and personal about it. Since this was one of the main admins friends I knew where this was likely to go and so just resigned and walked away. The group didnt last a year after I left and its still a sore point. Insight into the eugenics programs of the 50s and 60s for example was lost.

Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then. Yes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

I have never been a moderator or admin, and I've never had an exhausting job.
But I do know a joung woman who's routinely doing 12-hour shifts as a physician in a pediatric ER ward, often with the senior physician being unavailable for some reason or other. I also used to know an old man who had commanded a paratrooper company in WWII.
I tend to see forum moderation as an activity based on the premise that nobody will die or suffer permanent bodily impairment as a result of your choices.

Quote from: Michele;1089845I have never been a moderator or admin, and I've never had an exhausting job.
But I do know a young woman who's routinely doing 12-hour shifts as a physician in a pediatric ER ward, often with the senior physician being unavailable for some reason or other. I also used to know an old man who had commanded a paratrooper company in WWII.
I tend to see forum moderation as an activity based on the premise that nobody will die or suffer permanent bodily impairment as a result of your choices.

As far as I can tell, Omega has a different definition of emotionally exhausting than I do too. I've never found similar positions to forum mod as emotionally exhausting or even heard people with them describes them as such before. If I did  find a position as Mod/Admin 'emotionally exhaustion' I would have resigned as its a non critical, unpaid entirely voluntary position. *shrug* I will respect his life experiences and word and agree to disagree on the topic.

I'm still a member there.  Stayed after their politico-uprising just because they have the sales/auctions forum.  I tend to cycle through books, so good to have that opportunity.

On a rare occasion, I will find a decent thread.  I just avoid looking at anything the moderators tend to post and stay out of Tangency and Trouble Tickets.

Quote from: Imaginos;1089868I'm still a member there.  Stayed after their politico-uprising just because they have the sales/auctions forum.  I tend to cycle through books, so good to have that opportunity.

On a rare occasion, I will find a decent thread.  I just avoid looking at anything the moderators tend to post and stay out of Tangency and Trouble Tickets.

I've likewise kept my membership but mostly for the ability to reread old threads I liked. Plus a morbid interest in seeing what's happened in Infractions, and (shame the devil) a cowardice-based dislike of burning bridges when not absolutely necessary. I gave up posting in Tangency years before I stopped posting for good.

Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then. Yes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

Yep. It's a thankless task that the bigger the community the harder it is. BUT... if anyone tried administering a forum with the insane rules of TBP - oh yeah that's just smashing your nuts daily with a hammer by choice.

Quote from: Omega;1089782But obviously Wyzard has never actually had a real emotionally exhausting time because they and their flunkies just ban people left and right without even a thought. The emotionally exhausting part comes with you actually take your damn job seriously and treat people like human beings rather than your chattel to be killed on a whim because it amuses you.

Spot on. They're trying to arrange a boxing match with their own users but trying to fit everyone into a straight-jacket. I'm not sure they care at all - but you know, the methods they use to "moderate" their forum renders the term "moderate"  and "forum" pointless.

Quote from: Omega;1089782In 20 years of being just a sub admin on a RPing site I had to deal with sorting out all manner of complaints and just fuck all jackass behavior. The worst is trying to sort out disputes and figure out who did what to who or even if what player A thinks Player B did was really as bad as they think/claim. And dealing with no less than two stalkers. Not to mention an ongoing covert war with a hate group that kept sending in spies to infiltraite and cause distension amongst the players. THAT is fucking exhausting on all levels.

At some point they seem to have lost sight of the responsibilities and what it means to be an admin on a forum.

Same here. It feels like a thankless task because if you do your job right there is little drama. But Drama(tm) always shows up, and then that's when you'll know if you have the temperament for it. You gotta do it because you want to. Fortunately for me the site I admin on, is largely past its "site-vs.-site" wars. The current state of RPG forums means that's likely never going to end.

Quote from: jeff37923;1089818I'm with you on this, but I miss some of the posters.

I miss Darth Tang, he always had some of the best stories. I got several adventure ideas out of them.

Yup. Same. Grubman is another name that springs to mind - back when exploring and playing games was a thing.

Quote from: Pat;1089788https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/account-deletion.845158/post-22563184

Yeah, I saw that from them. They're sadly very wrong about what is PI and what is not. The cited law actually spells it out. It includes your user name. And other things.

Honestly, they're going to get sued by someone who wants to make a point.

But it seems like on TBP there's this mandate that "If ____ posts ____, put your foot down."

It's sociological. Like mind-games. Like they want a certain 'attitude' there and if you don't 'fit', harassment ensues.

It felt like Reaching with an SJW slant.

It's going to be interesting when this moratorium ends tomorrow. I suspect political talk will be scant (Both from fear of bans the desire to no tax their prot... the Mods fragile psyches) and there will still be allot Banhammering.

Quote from: Theory of Games;1090291But it seems like on TBP there's this mandate that "If ____ posts ____, put your foot down."

It's sociological. Like mind-games. Like they want a certain 'attitude' there and if you don't 'fit', harassment ensues.

It felt like Reaching with an SJW slant.

They seem to want Tangency to be a place of 'lighthearted' and fluffy chatter except when someone (often a mod) want to grandstand about on their pet issues and read their own opinions repeated back at them by different user names. There was increasing nagging about anyone that wasn't happy happy There's no way the Left can lose! in the political thread getting poo pooed and "Warned" by Mods. His rampant thread cop-ism and scolding will continue until morale improves is the big reason what I think Crinos will be mod soon.

Quote from: Michele;1089845I have never been a moderator or admin, and I've never had an exhausting job.
But I do know a joung woman who's routinely doing 12-hour shifts as a physician in a pediatric ER ward, often with the senior physician being unavailable for some reason or other. I also used to know an old man who had commanded a paratrooper company in WWII.
I tend to see forum moderation as an activity based on the premise that nobody will die or suffer permanent bodily impairment as a result of your choices.

Quote from: CarlD.;1089865As far as I can tell, Omega has a different definition of emotionally exhausting than I do too. I've never found similar positions to forum mod as emotionally exhausting or even heard people with them describes them as such before. If I did  find a position as Mod/Admin 'emotionally exhaustion' I would have resigned as its a non critical, unpaid entirely voluntary position. *shrug* I will respect his life experiences and word and agree to disagree on the topic.

More like you just havent gotten stuck in the middle moderating some of this stuff. Or where your decision could mean someone has to be banned from an area. That can wear you out sometimes really fast if the matter is a heated one or someones account is on the line. Especially if you get a bunch of those close together. But the real exhausting ones are the flat out trouble makers. The aforementioned stalkers, and especially the covert hate group. Those were messes I had to handle pretty much on my own.

Usually though its not a hassle. I just look at the report log and parse out who did what to who. And a few times I've had to reprimand the person filing the complaint because it turned out THEY were the one who started it. Not the accused. Sometimes its just really annoying. About any given IC abuser trying to demand their 'rights' was that.

But I've had times where it was pretty trying and "God would you people just fucking stop fucking with eachother for 5 fucking minutes! argh!"

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1089900Yeah, I saw that from them. They're sadly very wrong about what is PI and what is not. The cited law actually spells it out. It includes your user name. And other things.

Where did you find user names mentioned in the law?

Quote from: Eisenmann;1089889Yup. Same. Grubman is another name that springs to mind - back when exploring and playing games was a thing.

Grubman was a good poster. What happened?

Quote from: Aglondir;1091119Grubman was a good poster. What happened?

Nothing in particular. Just lamenting days gone by.

I've just been permabanned for suggesting that an election with a high (10 times more than previously) proportion of postal votes warranted an investigation by the electoral commission. This apparently is racist dogwhistling. The fact that this behaviour is most often associated with the Britisish Pakistani community is a matter of historical fact.

I really cannot be arsed with that place anymore, I occupy the British centre-left position most of the time but this lot really do take the piss. I've had local councilors arrested for fiddling votes by registering lots of postal voters (20 in a 1 bedroom flat for instance) so I know it happens. I like the phrase Generation X Liberal, that probably does describe me.

Maybe I should have appealed with the phrase "Denying my lived experience".

The only thing I'll miss will be the tangency forum, but I can live without it.

Quote from: Altheus;1091299I've just been permabanned for suggesting that an election with a high (10 times more than previously) proportion of postal votes warranted an investigation by the electoral commission. This apparently is racist dogwhistling. The fact that this behaviour is most often associated with the Britisish Pakistani community is a matter of historical fact.

I liked that one of the supporting pieces of evidence proving you were a bad fit is that you had the temerity to suggest that electric razors might be a better deal over the long run, compared to expensive cartridges. That's racist!

Quote from: Altheus;1091299I've just been permabanned for suggesting that an election with a high (10 times more than previously) proportion of postal votes warranted an investigation by the electoral commission. This apparently is racist dogwhistling. The fact that this behaviour is most often associated with the Britisish Pakistani community is a matter of historical fact.

I really cannot be arsed with that place anymore, I occupy the British centre-left position most of the time but this lot really do take the piss. I've had local councilors arrested for fiddling votes by registering lots of postal voters (20 in a 1 bedroom flat for instance) so I know it happens. I like the phrase Generation X Liberal, that probably does describe me.

Maybe I should have appealed with the phrase "Denying my lived experience".

The only thing I'll miss will be the tangency forum, but I can live without it.

Man I'm learning a lot of bullshit terms recently.  "dogwhistling", "sealioning", "catfishing".  Jesus Christ.

Quote from: zagreus;1091360Man I'm learning a lot of bullshit terms recently.  "dogwhistling", "sealioning", "catfishing".  Jesus Christ.

what the fuck is catfishing???

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1091366what the fuck is catfishing???

Dude pretending to be a chick online to get attention and/or money. I suppose it's become a sore topic if someone accuses a trans person of being a catfish, but that's just a guess.

[video=youtube_share;cjcVJsHF3Cw]https://youtu.be/cjcVJsHF3Cw[/youtube]

Quote from: Aglondir;1089350The mods are deleting posts they don't like.

Are they now?

well that's good to know.

Quote from: myleftnut;1089365The best part is seeing the red banned logo on the members in support of the policy.  Maybe their Trump hate wasn't rabid enough?

They truly eat their own.

Quote from: myleftnut;1089378Do you guys think these people smell their own hypocrisy or are they so deluded that they're blind to it?

I'm sure the sociopaths are well aware.

Quote from: myleftnut;1089378This behavior kind of reminds me of post colonial theory.  Where the once oppressed take on the behavior of their once oppressors but end up just directing the oppression at their own people.

They're the kind of people who continually miss the point of Animal Farm.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1089783I really do wonder how they're going to handle the change in California law which will require them to allow people to delete their records with RPG.net. Move their HQ and officers (of the underlying company) out of California?

I've looked into this, and this doesn't apply to them unless they do one of the following (https://privacylaw.proskauer.com/2018/07/articles/data-privacy-laws/the-california-consumer-privacy-act-of-2018/):

• Earn annual gross revenues in excess of $25 million.
• Receive or disclose the personal information of 50,000 or more California residents, households or devices on an annual basis.
• Derive 50 percent or more of their annual revenues from selling California residents' personal information.

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1089900Honestly, they're going to get sued by someone who wants to make a point.

One can only hope.

Quote from: Altheus;1091299I've just been permabanned for suggesting that an election with a high (10 times more than previously) proportion of postal votes warranted an investigation by the electoral commission. This apparently is racist dogwhistling. The fact that this behaviour is most often associated with the Britisish Pakistani community is a matter of historical fact.

If there's one thing they hate, it's facts.

Quote from: Pat;1091307I liked that one of the supporting pieces of evidence proving you were a bad fit is that you had the temerity to suggest that electric razors might be a better deal over the long run, compared to expensive cartridges. That's racist!

So here's the infraction (https://archive.is/PGqGD).
Here's the first piece of evidence cited (https://archive.is/4qaDY#selection-2131.0-2131.12).
Here's the second piece of evidence cited (https://archive.is/MNDMI#selection-1061.0-1061.12).
And here's the thir... well that's weird, seems you have to be logged in to see it (https://archive.is/1qFpw), and The Wayback Machine claims "This page is not available on the web because access is forbidden" (https://web.archive.org/web/20190609235344/https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?goto/post&id=22339189).

Is that the one where they claim advocating for the economic superiority of electric razors is racist? I wonder why they'd hide that.

QuoteIs that the one where they claim advocating for the economic superiority of electric razors is racist? I wonder why they'd hide that.

Probably a Tangency discussion, which is always hidden from the outcasts, hoi polloi and uninitiated.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1091390Probably a Tangency discussion, which is always hidden from the outcasts, hoi polloi and uninitiated.

Correct. Anyone with an account that hasn't been banned can login and see it.

Quote from: Altheus;1091299I've just been permabanned for suggesting that an election with a high (10 times more than previously) proportion of postal votes warranted an investigation by the electoral commission. This apparently is racist dogwhistling. The fact that this behaviour is most often associated with the Britisish Pakistani community is a matter of historical fact.

I really cannot be arsed with that place anymore, I occupy the British centre-left position most of the time but this lot really do take the piss. I've had local councilors arrested for fiddling votes by registering lots of postal voters (20 in a 1 bedroom flat for instance) so I know it happens. I like the phrase Generation X Liberal, that probably does describe me.

Maybe I should have appealed with the phrase "Denying my lived experience".

The only thing I'll miss will be the tangency forum, but I can live without it.

I can help to explain this.

A major leftist talking point in America is that any attempt to ensure an election's validity is racist. Actual statement (forgot who said it): "There is no such thing as election fraud, except for racists trying to cancel minority votes." They actively oppose requiring IDs. Polling places were at one point legally required to post signs saying that proof of eligibility to vote would not be required.

Quote from: Pat;1091307I liked that one of the supporting pieces of evidence proving you were a bad fit is that you had the temerity to suggest that electric razors might be a better deal over the long run, compared to expensive cartridges. That's racist!

If he tries that racist shit here, he'll be banned too!!

LOL. That's more crazy sauce than my chimichanga can handle right now.

Quote from: Altheus;1091299I've had local councilors arrested for fiddling votes by registering lots of postal voters (20 in a 1 bedroom flat for instance) so I know it happens.

What final penalty, if any, did they face?

Will there be an investigation into the x10 postal "voter" issue? Or is it getting swept under the rug?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1091438What final penalty, if any, did they face?

Will there be an investigation into the x10 postal "voter" issue? Or is it getting swept under the rug?

One of Labour's key activists on the ground in the Peterborough by-election was Tariq Mahmood, convicted and jailed for electoral fraud in 2008 because of his involvement in the mayoral elections in 2004.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1091438What final penalty, if any, did they face?

Will there be an investigation into the x10 postal "voter" issue? Or is it getting swept under the rug?

Usually a fine, what I would like it to be is a fine and you become ineligible for public office.

Quote from: Fergurg;1091430I can help to explain this.

A major leftist talking point in America is that any attempt to ensure an election's validity is racist. Actual statement (forgot who said it): "There is no such thing as election fraud, except for racists trying to cancel minority votes." They actively oppose requiring IDs. Polling places were at one point legally required to post signs saying that proof of eligibility to vote would not be required.

It's ridiculous how they claim to be inclusive, but are unable to interpret the world except through the viewpoint of such a narrowly specific cultural lens.

This voting issue is off topic, but I can answer why that is:

The big issue is the USA history of using the mechanisms of government as an excuse to deny franchisement. Further, since each county's Registrar of Voters is its own state gov't department that verifies a voter (often thru 'residence'), the Voter Roster at the Poll Station itself is a legal document when signed (with full penalty of perjury attached).

So, since there was no Federal ID for centuries (an issue argued as federal overreach stepping onto the 9th Amendment for states rights), homeless are allowed to use a declared reachable "residence," illiteracy was handled by witnessing (and verification later by the Reg. of Voters), and various accomodations allowed for translation and disability special needs, the County Reg. Voter's dept already accounts and accomodates its resident citizen (and verifies discrepencies later under full force of perjury penalty) without the need to involve other agencies.

Further, Provisional Balloting is available for all extenuating circumstances. So if you absolutely MUST vote outside your polling station, you may. BUT, your vote will likely go "uncounted" for immediate winner declaration, unless there is a near tie requiring a recount. ALL provisional ballots will be counted later, AND will be audited in the following month to verify its validity (checking for perjury). ;) It is not a wise tactic to fraudulently affect elections, at all.

So, given our current hullabaloo with record DMV waiting and processing times, it is a matter already handled by one department present in each county of each state. Removing that authority from an already focused dept. that has a system in place to account and punish as needed, to process a new ID onto an already overburdened dept. is wasteful and deliberately setting up governance to fail in denser districts. Hence harming historically ethnic enclaves due to the nature of minority groups usually gathering in numbers for safety from majority exploitation.

Thus the (sociologically logical) accusation that it is a ploy to disenfranchise through the guise of being "reasonable" -- by deliberately ignoring a mostly functional system already in place by the states. :)

And now you know. :) Volunteered to staff voting polls more than a few times myself, been instructed by mandatory volunteer classes on these issues and how our system actually works. ;) It's a lot more solid than people think; voter fraud is way harder, with little reward, and massive punishment, than the average unaware punditing person thinks. :D

Some of you might find this ban earner (from an rpg.net regular, in fact, interesting.)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/cyberpunk-2077-trailer.829725/page-83#post-22654541

The ban itself

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/matt-ceb-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban.848162/

Ugh, I wish that the SJW's, Neo-Bolsheviks, and transtrenders at RPGnet and elsewhere stay the fuck away from Cyberpunk games and Cyberpunk culture.

Especially David "Olivia" Hill, who is a disgusting racist, Neo-Communist, and transtrender edgelord.

I find it so ironic that the SJW's hate on "edgy" content and use "edgelord" as one of their go-to insults for anyone who disagrees with their ideology when so many of them are communists and militant atheists.

Anyone who identifies as a Communist post-1991 is an edgelord, same goes to anyone who identifies as a Fascist post-1945.

It's high time we take the "Punk" out of Cyberpunk.

So, what are the Perpetually Unhinged referring to when they talk about CDPR's (ongoing) history of being "the wrong people"? I've seen that line of though pop up a few times but don't know if it has an actual source, or if it's just one of those ideas the Insane Left say out loud and spreads as if it were true.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092207So, what are the Perpetually Unhinged referring to when they talk about CDPR's (ongoing) history of being "the wrong people"? I've seen that line of though pop up a few times but don't know if it has an actual source, or if it's just one of those ideas the Insane Left say out loud and spreads as if it were true.

Can you tell me what CDPR is supposed to be? My search turned up something about pesticides in California...

Quote from: HappyDaze;1092209Can you tell me what CDPR is supposed to be? My search turned up something about pesticides in California...

Sorry, sure. It's short for CD Projekt Red (https://en.cdprojektred.com/) - the makers of the Witcher and the Cyberpunk 2077 games.

Who else is with me in "removing the Punk from Cyberpunk" and telling the SJW's to fuck off and leave Cyberpunk 2077 and other forms of Cyberpunk media the fuck alone?

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092237Who else is with me in "removing the Punk from Cyberpunk" and telling the SJW's to fuck off and leave Cyberpunk 2077 and other forms of Cyberpunk media the fuck alone?

Sure. My only problem is that I don't see the SJW's as being the punks (protagonists) in this picture. They're more like a fascist faction that's trying to take power through subterfuge and subversion. Another facet in the machine against which to rage.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092239Sure. My only problem is that I don't see the SJW's as being the punks (protagonists) in this picture. They're more like a fascist faction that's trying to take power through subterfuge and subversion. Another facet in the machine against which to rage.

True, but let's not kid ourselves.

Despite its external veneer, punk culture is one of the most authoritarian subcultures out there.

At its very essence, punk is forced conformity via the illusion of nonconformity.

Same goes for Punk's bastard daughters (Goths, Emo, Hipsters, Alternative Rock, Scene Kids, Skinheads, and Dangerhairs)

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092240True, but let's not kid ourselves.

Despite its external veneer, punk culture is one of the most authoritarian subcultures out there.

At its very essence, punk is forced conformity via the illusion of nonconformity.

Same goes for Punk's bastard daughters (Goths, Emo, Hipsters, Alternative Rock, Scene Kids, Skinheads, and Dangerhairs)

Dangerhairs LOL. Nice. I totally get your point. In today's reality, non-conformity demands conformity or you are an outsider (http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=98982).

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092243Dangerhairs LOL. Nice. I totally get your point. In today's reality, non-conformity demands conformity or you are an outsider (http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=98982).

Indeed, you hit the nail on the head with that one.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092207So, what are the Perpetually Unhinged referring to when they talk about CDPR's (ongoing) history of being "the wrong people"? I've seen that line of though pop up a few times but don't know if it has an actual source, or if it's just one of those ideas the Insane Left say out loud and spreads as if it were true.

Who knows? Mat Ceb is one of the most aggressively self righteous people on rpg.net, almost constantly terribly upset over something... like dark future games having downer background apparently. I'm just floored he caught a ban for it.

Quote from: CarlD.;1092196Some of you might find this ban earner (from an rpg.net regular, in fact, interesting.)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/cyberpunk-2077-trailer.829725/page-83#post-22654541

The ban itself

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/matt-ceb-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban.848162/

Am I the only one seeing what appears to be rational mod behavior, both in the ban, and the other mod's comment in the thread?

Threadcrapping is a very flexible 'violation' isn't it? (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/official-game-of-thrones-s8x6-%E2%80%9Cthe-iron-throne%E2%80%9D.846641/post-22656086)

Quote from: kythri;1092259Am I the only one seeing what appears to be rational mod behavior, both in the ban, and the other mod's comment in the thread?

I imagine there's a certain amount of legal liability that keeps the moderation from becoming a bunch of feces flinging chimps.

Quote from: CarlD.;1092262Threadcrapping is a very flexible 'violation' isn't it? (https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/official-game-of-thrones-s8x6-%E2%80%9Cthe-iron-throne%E2%80%9D.846641/post-22656086)

They have a rule against threadcrapping, and that's blatant threadcrapping.

Quote from: Pat;1092268They have a rule against threadcrapping, and that's blatant threadcrapping.

True, but RPGnet is notoriously selective and biased in their enforcement of the rules, so you can see why some people are skeptical at first glance.

Shit like the RPGnet uproar over Cyberpunk 2077 is why we need to take the Punk out of Cyberpunk.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092240Despite its external veneer, punk culture is one of the most authoritarian subcultures out there.

At its very essence, punk is forced conformity via the illusion of nonconformity.

Take your meds, Doc. Your ignorance is  showing. Again.

Quote from: jeff37923;1092276Take your meds, Doc. Your ignorance is  showing. Again.

It's not ignorance, it's fucking true.

All subcultures do engage in purity spirals to varying degrees but the severity of the purism in the Punk subculture is astronomical and Punks are infamous for their internet slap fights over who is or isn't a "true Punk" and the only subculture who is worse than the Punks in this regard are the Goths, which are an offshoot of Punk.

The Goth subculture originated in the late 1970's and early 1980's as an explicitly apolitical offshoot of the Punk subculture, rejecting the heavily politicized mindset of the mainline Punks.

The first Goths were even called "Positive Punks" because they were explicitly apolitical and not whiny far leftist malcontents like the majority of the Punk movement in the 70's and 80's (and the overwhelming majority today)

Most Punks were and still are far left, but there were right-wing Punks in the 70's and 80's, seeing as Johnny Ramone was a conservative libertarian.

Skrewdriver were literal Nazis and kick-started the whole Nazi skinhead movement within the Punk subculture.

GG Allin was politically incorrect and would give most SJW Antifa punks a stroke, but that was because GG Allin was a complete edgelord who went above and beyond to shock and offend, and regularly espoused far-right and far-left political positions at different times, depending on who he was talking to and what buttons he could push.

But Skrewdriver, Johnny Ramone, and GG Allin were in the minority in terms of Punk's position on the political spectrum. It was always an overly politicized far-left subculture.

Ha, Punks are conformists and Nazis are Socialists.

What an upside down topsy turvy world we live in.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092285It's not ignorance, it's fucking true.

All subcultures do engage in purity spirals to varying degrees but the severity of the purism in the Punk subculture is astronomical and Punks are infamous for their internet slap fights over who is or isn't a "true Punk" and the only subculture who is worse than the Punks in this regard are the Goths, which are an offshoot of Punk.

The Goth subculture originated in the late 1970's and early 1980's as an explicitly apolitical offshoot of the Punk subculture, rejecting the heavily politicized mindset of the mainline Punks.

The first Goths were even called "Positive Punks" because they were explicitly apolitical and not whiny far leftist malcontents like the majority of the Punk movement in the 70's and 80's (and the overwhelming majority today)

Most Punks were and still are far left, but there were right-wing Punks in the 70's and 80's, seeing as Johnny Ramone was a conservative libertarian.

Skrewdriver were literal Nazis and kick-started the whole Nazi skinhead movement within the Punk subculture.

GG Allin was politically incorrect and would give most SJW Antifa punks a stroke, but that was because GG Allin was a complete edgelord who went above and beyond to shock and offend, and regularly espoused far-right and far-left political positions at different times, depending on who he was talking to and what buttons he could push.

But Skrewdriver, Johnny Ramone, and GG Allin were in the minority in terms of Punk's position on the political spectrum. It was always an overly politicized far-left subculture.

That bolded part alone demonstrates that you don't know jack shit about punk, because punk died out before the internet came into common usage.

Now go take your meds, Doc.

Quote from: jeff37923;1092293That bolded part alone demonstrates that you don't know jack shit about punk, because punk died out before the internet came into common usage.

Now go take your meds, Doc.

In the mainstream, you are absolutely correct.

But that still doesn't stop dyed-haired leftists from digging up its corpse decades later.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092294In the mainstream, you are absolutely correct.

I know, I was there.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092294But that still doesn't stop dyed-haired leftists from digging up its corpse decades later.

Then that wouldn't be punk, would it? It would be some kind of Zombie Punk or Punkinstein's Monster.

Quote from: Shasarak;1092291Ha, Punks are conformists and Nazis are Socialists.

What an upside down topsy turvy world we live in.

Reminds me of art school. Everyone kept going on and on about how they were embracing their individuality, while all of them all wore black, dyed their hair black, got piercings, etc. As someone who had come back in my late 20s for a second degree (and a commercial/digital art degree at that, so I didn't have time for that "finding myself" bullshit*) it was actually pretty hilarious as I'd often be the only person even wearing color in a class (I was also much closer to the age of my actual instructors so all their appeals to authority and experience by instructors in their 30s-40s that might have worked on me at 18-19 got challenged pretty regularly by a 26-27 year old me).

* How little time did I have for that bullshit? When one of the sculpture projects required an "artist's statement" (and my definition of an artist statement is "when your art has failed so completely that the average person can't distinguish it from roadside garbage") I threw a rock and a scissors in paper bag and wrote a paragraph of complete gobbledygook titled "Rock, Paper, Scissors: The Eternal Struggle*" and in four point font underneath the statement had the line "* all of the above is complete bullshit. The meaning of this 'art' is that I want a passing grade on this project."

Only one person ever read the fine print (it wasn't the teacher) and they later declared me the king of all bullshitters.

The point? Just about every social group that sets out to be non-conformist ends up with their own standards of conformity and ostracizes others based on adherence to those standards. The number of people willing to completely forego conformity to one group or another is actually vanishingly small.

Quote from: jeff37923;1092297Punkinstein's Monster.

Which, ironically, would be an awesome name for a punk band.

Quote from: Chris24601;1092298Reminds me of art school. Everyone kept going on and on about how they were embracing their individuality, while all of them all wore black, dyed their hair black, got piercings, etc. As someone who had come back in my late 20s for a second degree (and a commercial/digital art degree at that, so I didn't have time for that "finding myself" bullshit*) it was actually pretty hilarious as I'd often be the only person even wearing color in a class (I was also much closer to the age of my actual instructors so all their appeals to authority and experience by instructors in their 30s-40s that might have worked on me at 18-19 got challenged pretty regularly by a 26-27 year old me).

* How little time did I have for that bullshit? When one of the sculpture projects required an "artist's statement" (and my definition of an artist statement is "when your art has failed so completely that the average person can't distinguish it from roadside garbage") I threw a rock and a scissors in paper bag and wrote a paragraph of complete gobbledygook titled "Rock, Paper, Scissors: The Eternal Struggle*" and in four point font underneath the statement had the line "* all of the above is complete bullshit. The meaning of this 'art' is that I want a passing grade on this project."

Only one person ever read the fine print (it wasn't the teacher) and they later declared me the king of all bullshitters.

The point? Just about every social group that sets out to be non-conformist ends up with their own standards of conformity and ostracizes others based on adherence to those standards. The number of people willing to completely forego conformity to one group or another is actually vanishingly small.

Do you think danger hair is a direct consequence of rebelling against the Emo phase?

I cant keep track of the change of fashions.

Quote from: Shasarak;1092319Do you think danger hair is a direct consequence of rebelling against the Emo phase?

I cant keep track of the change of fashions.

Nah, Emo and Dangerhairs are both warped inbred bastard mutations of Punk.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092271Shit like the RPGnet uproar over Cyberpunk 2077 is why we need to take the Punk out of Cyberpunk.

Actually, good Cyberpunk should include more Punk - all aspects of punk's history, especially the animosity between subgroups and the selling of non-conformity by the corps to the masses which becomes the rules of conformity and the cycle continues.

You want the story of the street punk band who gets popular, seduced by the corps and winds up as a useful cog in the system they used to rail against, and then when they rebel against their corporate masters to reclaim their true punk souls, its far too late because the corps have already used their media power to "prove" the punk band is a total sell-out, thus destroying the band's credibility with the masses.

SJWs fit perfectly as both protagonists and antagonists within the cyberpunk genre. Especially because the world IS repressive in a cyberpunk dystopia and Trump would be Gandhi compared to the leaders in such a world. Our real world SJWs are pathetic because they aren't "raging against the dying of the light", they are whining coddled toddlers whose lives are too easy. In cyberpunk, those warriors trying to achieve justice in society are neck deep in shit, and would make fine PC concepts.  

Quote from: Chris24601;1092298Everyone kept going on and on about how they were embracing their individuality, while all of them all wore black, dyed their hair black, got piercings, etc.

I wonder if this is just humanity. I have no idea if the great artistic movements of the past from the Renaissance to the 19th Century were all full of artists conforming to same dress code, behavior and thought. You can see that conformity in 20th century artists involved in various art movements, but it would funny if its just the Nature of Man.

Quote from: Chris24601;1092298When one of the sculpture projects required an "artist's statement" (and my definition of an artist statement is "when your art has failed so completely that the average person can't distinguish it from roadside garbage") I threw a rock and a scissors in paper bag and wrote a paragraph of complete gobbledygook titled "Rock, Paper, Scissors: The Eternal Struggle*" and in four point font underneath the statement had the line "* all of the above is complete bullshit. The meaning of this 'art' is that I want a passing grade on this project."

And then you ascended to godhood? 'Cuz that's some demigod worthy 36th level throwdown!!!

Awesome!

I knew a talented, although lazy and unmotivated, artist when I was at UCLA. He habitually would wait until the last second to do his projects. His grand achievement was when he put two glass bowls next to each other, one filled with water and one filled with pennies with a nice calligraphy note that read "Make a Wish". The result? He told me his "piece" was chosen for the dept's annual gallery showing and received universal praise from numerous teachers for the "depth of his statement".

The sad part was it really hurt him. It was obvious he wanted to be hammered down for being a lazy dumbass, not rewarded for his non-effort. I remember he got pretty dark and nihilistic after that. It shook me up too because I was 20 and still thought college was something special, especially a prestigious "tough" school like UCLA. LOL, how young and full of dumb!

Quote from: Spinachcat;1092326You want the story of the street punk band who gets popular, seduced by the corps and winds up as a useful cog in the system they used to rail against, and then when they rebel against their corporate masters to reclaim their true punk souls, its far too late because the corps have already used their media power to "prove" the punk band is a total sell-out, thus destroying the band's credibility with the masses.

*Writes that shit down in case he ever gets a chance to run Cyberpunk again.*

Quote from: Spinachcat;1092326And then you ascended to godhood? 'Cuz that's some demigod worthy 36th level throwdown!!!

Nah, ascension was two years later in the required to graduate course with the head of the art department.

Bear in mind, I was in my late-20s by then (everyone else in that class was 21 tops) and in the commercial/digital/3d modeling program who'd already freelanced for probably half-a-dozen years by that point (but needed the degree to actually get a full time gig with one of the ad agencies in town)... he was late 40s/early 50s with a fine arts background and had never had a job outside academia.

Anyway, part of the course was an "artist's survey" where you had to answer questions about your artistic style and vision and then we all discussed them around the table.

- What artist's statement would you put on an exhibit of your work?

"If I need an artist's statement for someone to understand why what I'm doing is art then I have failed as an artist."

- When do you feel that what the public considers art and what is true art diverged?

"It didnt. The idea that the public doesn't understand your art is just an excuse used by the mediocre to explain why the public rejects them."

- What is your artistic vision?

"Whatever my client pays for it to be."

But the most epic of them all only emerged in the actual discussion...

-What sources do you turn to for inspiration with your art?

I listed of a whole bunch of bands and composers since I get a lot my ideas for things from my imagination being stoked by music.

"No, no, no." said the department head when I read my list (I was first for that one). "What ARTISTS do you go to? Say you have a lighting problem in your composition. Which artists do you go to looking for a solution?"

"Oh, I do 3d modeling so I just play with the lights until it looks good."*

You could see the veins on his temples throbbing. Everyone else went dead quiet and slid down in their chairs. It was a solid minute before he spoke again. He never called on me again the whole semester. He had to give me the minimum grade promised to anyone who showed up to every class with all the work done.

I graduated with honors in spite of him. My favorite part of the whole experience was probably my final project for sculpture/3d art where it had to be a kinetic piece (meaning some part of it had to move). No one believed me when I told them what mine would be. The professor made me sit in class doing nothing rather than let me go where I could work on it because she didn't believe me either.

But after everyone else showed off their slinky dogs and things that spun on casters I made them all come out on the art building lawn... because there was now way a fully functional trebuchet with a 10' arm and a 300 lb. counterbalance was going to fit through the doors (it barely fit in the back of my dad's pickup). The looks on their faces as I lobbed water balloons across the pond made it all worth it. One of the other students even collapsed into a fit of hysterical laughter because they couldn't believe I'd actually pulled it off.

As to your earlier point... definitely Basic Human Nature. We are constantly at war with ourselves in the desire to stand out and the desire to belong. Outside of the rare few who just don't care about conformity, most who want to stand out will just glom onto what someone else has already done so they can seem rare and special without the risks of being the actual trailblazer.

It's why you can often name various artistic movements after a particular founder. They were the original, everyone else glommed on to be part of the hot new thing (until the next hot new thing comes along). The follow-ons are basically the artistic equivalent of the "Early Adopter" in technology.

Humans are a whole bunch of contradictions that I blame mostly on us having driven so far out of our evolutionary niche we can't even fully process why we're doing what we're doing. We're a people with the base instincts of band society hunter-gatherers trying to function in a world where nothing you need to do to survive and find a mate bears any relation to band society, hunting or gathering.

* While it may sound flippant, this was actually me being honest. What a paint and canvas artist would call lighting if they looked at a single frame render in 3d modeling is actually a function of interactions between light nodes, surface material properties and render settings on multiple objects that are often in motion. Referencing the chiaroscuro used by Leonardo daVinci doesn't tell you a damned thing about whether the problem is from another object blocking a light node (or reflecting light from a different node), whether your specular settings on the surface are causing too much glare or if your ambient occulusion settings are too high for the given light sources.

So you fiddle with things until they look right.

This was also about 20 years ago back when the 3d modeling department was barely two years old (I was one of the first class of graduates from the program). The differences between media simply did not compute for someone whose entire frame of reference involved paint, clay and maybe some artistic markers if they were feeling new fangled.

There have been many times over the years where I've thought 3d animation departments would be better served if they were moved to the engineering schools at various universities. It really takes more of an engineer-like mindset (checklists help a LOT) to solve problems when they arise because the problems are almost always something structural (ex. your lighting is in the wrong place to produce shadows on the object or you didn't account for the displacement map on the model when you were figuring out whether to meshes would clip each other... or my personal favorite, you forgot to turn back on "casts shadows" for the hair that you turned off so your test renders only take 10 seconds instead of 5 minutes each for the final render so the shadow on the wall behind them is of a bald person).

edit: Moved to a new thread.

Quote from: Shasarak;1092291Ha, Punks are conformists and Nazis are Socialists.

What an upside down topsy turvy world we live in.

The Nazi platform did take quite a few of its explicitly articulated planks from socialist thought, planks that would be called "left wing" today (universal employment, free health care and education among others). It took others from the body of nationalist tradition that is often today called "right wing" (the Blut und Boden, "Blood and Soil" emphasis on nation and family and on traditional family structures, as well as being virulently "anti-Communist" in the sense of opposing the Communist International organization of Russia).  In their own words, they claimed to be of "neither left nor right," which was part of how they were marketing themselves to the Weimar Republic voters: as the answer to the paralyzing factionalism that had crept into the Reichstag.

For myself I consider them ultimately a "left wing" party primarily because I believe any party that resorts to totalitarian policies in the name of its subjects' good, however that good is defined, is "left wing", and that to be "right wing" is to be anti-totalitarian by definition. But I recognize there are differing schools of thought on that.

Likewise, when declaring a person or movement "conformist" or "noncomformist" we have to remember it's a transitive property: what are people (not) conforming to?  A subcultural rebel can be nonconformist to the mainstream middle class and still conform to much of his own community; indeed, it's hard to have a "community" if the people in it won't conform to some shared values, tenets, or behaviours. This is exactly why the purity spirals in deliberately norm-defying subcultures can become more vicious than anything in the original mainstream -- by definition, internal norms in a subculture founded on defying external norms are going to be, and feel, more fragile, and nothing is more of a betrayal than to have the person who threw over your old norms with you suddenly turn around and look like he's throwing over the new norms you thought you both shared. It's a vicious circle, and can be seen in a lot of Protestant theological history as well as in pop subcultures.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1092484The Nazi platform did take quite a few of its explicitly articulated planks from socialist thought, planks that would be called "left wing" today (universal employment, free health care and education among others). It took others from the body of nationalist tradition that is often today called "right wing" (the Blut und Boden, "Blood and Soil" emphasis on nation and family and on traditional family structures, as well as being virulently "anti-Communist" in the sense of opposing the Communist International organization of Russia).  

I think you forgot militarism (point 2 of the manifesto), colonialism (point 3 of the manifesto), racism (points 4, 5, 6 and many others), and xenophobia (points 7 and 8).

I'd also like to remind you that we do not need to limit our judgement to the NSDAP electoral promises. Since they did come to power, we can also look at their actual track record.

QuoteFor myself I consider them ultimately a "left wing" party primarily because I believe any party that resorts to totalitarian policies in the name of its subjects' good, however that good is defined, is "left wing", and that to be "right wing" is to be anti-totalitarian by definition. But I recognize there are differing schools of thought on that.

You bet.

Quote from: Michele;1092539I think you forgot militarism (point 2 of the manifesto), colonialism (point 3 of the manifesto), racism (points 4, 5, 6 and many others), and xenophobia (points 7 and 8).

I'd also like to remind you that we do not need to limit our judgement to the NSDAP electoral promises. Since they did come to power, we can also look at their actual track record.




You bet.

Go far enough to the left or right and you become so certain that your way is the one true right way that you wind up enforcing it on people.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1092326I knew a talented, although lazy and unmotivated, artist when I was at UCLA. He habitually would wait until the last second to do his projects. His grand achievement was when he put two glass bowls next to each other, one filled with water and one filled with pennies with a nice calligraphy note that read "Make a Wish". The result? He told me his "piece" was chosen for the dept's annual gallery showing and received universal praise from numerous teachers for the "depth of his statement".

The sad part was it really hurt him. It was obvious he wanted to be hammered down for being a lazy dumbass, not rewarded for his non-effort. I remember he got pretty dark and nihilistic after that. It shook me up too because I was 20 and still thought college was something special, especially a prestigious "tough" school like UCLA. LOL, how young and full of dumb!

I found this story to be profound in its beauty. :)

His talent -- through the inspiring well of laziness -- draws deep an ambiguous and simple work. He means it as a flagrant blow off of an assignment, but forgets that art also derives imbued meaning from observer as well creator. Like the budding horror that the world's authorities are naked... :( Yet truly instead it is he who forgot that the artist is not the sole animus involved. :)

It is like the reversed Hierophant (the "priest of rebellion,") and upright Hierophant ("priest of the status quo,")... when speaking dogmatic truth one must not forget 'Thou Art Not The Truth'. He spoke his truth of laziness, and his talent did him in with a reflection of unintended depth. He did not see worthy his praised art for it mocked his intent, and thus mocked his (and others') talent; all he saw was a joke dragged out too far and lost respect for the order of things and what he felt was his calling. :D

His soul was blasted with the realizing horror that meaning in art can be divorced from him -- and even in his flippancy he can accidentally touch deep meaning in others. It is Art Greater That The Artist, Meaning Beyond One's Intent. The trial of the Hierophant thru the Tree of Life embittered him by reflecting his own crapulence, making himself, his professional world, and his calling all feel like a fraud. :p

I am sure nihilistically chasing oblivion felt welcome from that horrific, humbling, knowledge. "Thou Art Not THE Truth. Thou art but a messenger." :) What an exquisite display of karmic chastising torture.

(If I wrote it as a play I might have an angel persuading the panel judges for him to win. It is such a worthwhile test of one's spirit: mercy and charity as a punishing lesson in modesty. He sounds like he went on to self-flagellate in full measure afterwards. I wonder if it destroyed him... :) Or maybe he decided to amble onto another of life's branches.)

I love hero stories with didactic lessons. ;)

Quote from: Opaopajr;1092552I found this story to be profound in its beauty. :)

As the Spinal Tap quote goes, "It's such a fine line between stupid, and uh ... clever".