Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092240True, but let's not kid ourselves.

Despite its external veneer, punk culture is one of the most authoritarian subcultures out there.

At its very essence, punk is forced conformity via the illusion of nonconformity.

Same goes for Punk's bastard daughters (Goths, Emo, Hipsters, Alternative Rock, Scene Kids, Skinheads, and Dangerhairs)

Dangerhairs LOL. Nice. I totally get your point. In today's reality, non-conformity demands conformity or you are an outsider.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092243Dangerhairs LOL. Nice. I totally get your point. In today's reality, non-conformity demands conformity or you are an outsider.

Indeed, you hit the nail on the head with that one.

Quote from: SavageSchemer;1092207So, what are the Perpetually Unhinged referring to when they talk about CDPR's (ongoing) history of being "the wrong people"? I've seen that line of though pop up a few times but don't know if it has an actual source, or if it's just one of those ideas the Insane Left say out loud and spreads as if it were true.

Who knows? Mat Ceb is one of the most aggressively self righteous people on rpg.net, almost constantly terribly upset over something... like dark future games having downer background apparently. I'm just floored he caught a ban for it.

Quote from: CarlD.;1092196Some of you might find this ban earner (from an rpg.net regular, in fact, interesting.)

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/cyberpunk-2077-trailer.829725/page-83#post-22654541

The ban itself

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/matt-ceb-receives-a-%F0%9F%9A%AB-three-day-ban.848162/

Am I the only one seeing what appears to be rational mod behavior, both in the ban, and the other mod's comment in the thread?

Threadcrapping is a very flexible 'violation' isn't it?

Quote from: kythri;1092259Am I the only one seeing what appears to be rational mod behavior, both in the ban, and the other mod's comment in the thread?

I imagine there's a certain amount of legal liability that keeps the moderation from becoming a bunch of feces flinging chimps.

Quote from: CarlD.;1092262Threadcrapping is a very flexible 'violation' isn't it?

They have a rule against threadcrapping, and that's blatant threadcrapping.

Quote from: Pat;1092268They have a rule against threadcrapping, and that's blatant threadcrapping.

True, but RPGnet is notoriously selective and biased in their enforcement of the rules, so you can see why some people are skeptical at first glance.

Shit like the RPGnet uproar over Cyberpunk 2077 is why we need to take the Punk out of Cyberpunk.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092240Despite its external veneer, punk culture is one of the most authoritarian subcultures out there.

At its very essence, punk is forced conformity via the illusion of nonconformity.

Take your meds, Doc. Your ignorance is  showing. Again.

Quote from: jeff37923;1092276Take your meds, Doc. Your ignorance is  showing. Again.

It's not ignorance, it's fucking true.

All subcultures do engage in purity spirals to varying degrees but the severity of the purism in the Punk subculture is astronomical and Punks are infamous for their internet slap fights over who is or isn't a "true Punk" and the only subculture who is worse than the Punks in this regard are the Goths, which are an offshoot of Punk.

The Goth subculture originated in the late 1970's and early 1980's as an explicitly apolitical offshoot of the Punk subculture, rejecting the heavily politicized mindset of the mainline Punks.

The first Goths were even called "Positive Punks" because they were explicitly apolitical and not whiny far leftist malcontents like the majority of the Punk movement in the 70's and 80's (and the overwhelming majority today)

Most Punks were and still are far left, but there were right-wing Punks in the 70's and 80's, seeing as Johnny Ramone was a conservative libertarian.

Skrewdriver were literal Nazis and kick-started the whole Nazi skinhead movement within the Punk subculture.

GG Allin was politically incorrect and would give most SJW Antifa punks a stroke, but that was because GG Allin was a complete edgelord who went above and beyond to shock and offend, and regularly espoused far-right and far-left political positions at different times, depending on who he was talking to and what buttons he could push.

But Skrewdriver, Johnny Ramone, and GG Allin were in the minority in terms of Punk's position on the political spectrum. It was always an overly politicized far-left subculture.

Ha, Punks are conformists and Nazis are Socialists.

What an upside down topsy turvy world we live in.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092285It's not ignorance, it's fucking true.

All subcultures do engage in purity spirals to varying degrees but the severity of the purism in the Punk subculture is astronomical and Punks are infamous for their internet slap fights over who is or isn't a "true Punk" and the only subculture who is worse than the Punks in this regard are the Goths, which are an offshoot of Punk.

The Goth subculture originated in the late 1970's and early 1980's as an explicitly apolitical offshoot of the Punk subculture, rejecting the heavily politicized mindset of the mainline Punks.

The first Goths were even called "Positive Punks" because they were explicitly apolitical and not whiny far leftist malcontents like the majority of the Punk movement in the 70's and 80's (and the overwhelming majority today)

Most Punks were and still are far left, but there were right-wing Punks in the 70's and 80's, seeing as Johnny Ramone was a conservative libertarian.

Skrewdriver were literal Nazis and kick-started the whole Nazi skinhead movement within the Punk subculture.

GG Allin was politically incorrect and would give most SJW Antifa punks a stroke, but that was because GG Allin was a complete edgelord who went above and beyond to shock and offend, and regularly espoused far-right and far-left political positions at different times, depending on who he was talking to and what buttons he could push.

But Skrewdriver, Johnny Ramone, and GG Allin were in the minority in terms of Punk's position on the political spectrum. It was always an overly politicized far-left subculture.

That bolded part alone demonstrates that you don't know jack shit about punk, because punk died out before the internet came into common usage.

Now go take your meds, Doc.

Quote from: jeff37923;1092293That bolded part alone demonstrates that you don't know jack shit about punk, because punk died out before the internet came into common usage.

Now go take your meds, Doc.

In the mainstream, you are absolutely correct.

But that still doesn't stop dyed-haired leftists from digging up its corpse decades later.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092294In the mainstream, you are absolutely correct.

I know, I was there.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1092294But that still doesn't stop dyed-haired leftists from digging up its corpse decades later.

Then that wouldn't be punk, would it? It would be some kind of Zombie Punk or Punkinstein's Monster.

Quote from: Shasarak;1092291Ha, Punks are conformists and Nazis are Socialists.

What an upside down topsy turvy world we live in.

Reminds me of art school. Everyone kept going on and on about how they were embracing their individuality, while all of them all wore black, dyed their hair black, got piercings, etc. As someone who had come back in my late 20s for a second degree (and a commercial/digital art degree at that, so I didn't have time for that "finding myself" bullshit*) it was actually pretty hilarious as I'd often be the only person even wearing color in a class (I was also much closer to the age of my actual instructors so all their appeals to authority and experience by instructors in their 30s-40s that might have worked on me at 18-19 got challenged pretty regularly by a 26-27 year old me).

* How little time did I have for that bullshit? When one of the sculpture projects required an "artist's statement" (and my definition of an artist statement is "when your art has failed so completely that the average person can't distinguish it from roadside garbage") I threw a rock and a scissors in paper bag and wrote a paragraph of complete gobbledygook titled "Rock, Paper, Scissors: The Eternal Struggle*" and in four point font underneath the statement had the line "* all of the above is complete bullshit. The meaning of this 'art' is that I want a passing grade on this project."

Only one person ever read the fine print (it wasn't the teacher) and they later declared me the king of all bullshitters.

The point? Just about every social group that sets out to be non-conformist ends up with their own standards of conformity and ostracizes others based on adherence to those standards. The number of people willing to completely forego conformity to one group or another is actually vanishingly small.