Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then. Yes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

But obviously Wyzard has never actually had a real emotionally exhausting time because they and their flunkies just ban people left and right without even a thought. The emotionally exhausting part comes with you actually take your damn job seriously and treat people like human beings rather than your chattel to be killed on a whim because it amuses you.

In 20 years of being just a sub admin on a RPing site I had to deal with sorting out all manner of complaints and just fuck all jackass behavior. The worst is trying to sort out disputes and figure out who did what to who or even if what player A thinks Player B did was really as bad as they think/claim. And dealing with no less than two stalkers. Not to mention an ongoing covert war with a hate group that kept sending in spies to infiltraite and cause distension amongst the players. THAT is fucking exhausting on all levels.

At some point they seem to have lost sight of the responsibilities and what it means to be an admin on a forum.

This is why I prefer boards that either allow most everything, or simply nuke people who don't fit.  We're not going to get to the bottom of anything, we're either going to have a party or burial at sea.  Social gatherings aren't courts, there is no fairness, it's only whether a person improves the scene or not.  If someone shits on my rug, I don't care whether it's malicious or unintentional - they're not coming back in my home.  And it it's because of uncontrollable anal leakage that isn't chosen, I'm sorry for your lot but I'm not scraping shit out of my carpet.

Quote from: EOTB;1089792This is why I prefer boards that either allow most everything, or simply nuke people who don't fit.  We're not going to get to the bottom of anything, we're either going to have a party or burial at sea.  Social gatherings aren't courts, there is no fairness, it's only whether a person improves the scene or not.  If someone shits on my rug, I don't care whether it's malicious or unintentional - they're not coming back in my home.  And it it's because of uncontrollable anal leakage that isn't chosen, I'm sorry for your lot but I'm not scraping shit out of my carpet.

Well, here's the thing: the RPGnet Mods DO nuke people who "don't fit". The explanation I was given as to why I shouldn't mod leftist behavior the same way as rightist behavior was that RPGnet was like a left-leaning party and that there was no need for "troublemakers". (Mind you, it's been years and I don't remember the exact words used, but that was the gist of it.

The sooner RPGnet and Onyx Path Forums go down, the better...

Quote from: Kiero;1089759One of the gobby trans-twats

As I read that, I slammed my hand over my mouth not spray across my screen, but as I had been drinking sparkling water, the effervescence doubled back up my nose and I am now in a bizarre combo of laughter and pain.

And this is obviously WAY worse than your pregnant wife walking several miles!

Quote from: Dan Davenport;1089794Well, here's the thing: the RPGnet Mods DO nuke people who "don't fit". The explanation I was given as to why I shouldn't mod leftist behavior the same way as rightist behavior was that RPGnet was like a left-leaning party and that there was no need for "troublemakers". (Mind you, it's been years and I don't remember the exact words used, but that was the gist of it.

A lot of you have a personal investment in RPGnet that I don't.  It never feels good to be told you're no longer welcome someplace that changed around you, especially when you've put time into it.

The only thing worse is to stay.  Clean breaks and all that.  Incredibly easy to say, I recognize.  But it's still true.

Quote from: EOTB;1089800A lot of you have a personal investment in RPGnet that I don't.  It never feels good to be told you're no longer welcome someplace that changed around you, especially when you've put time into it.

The only thing worse is to stay.  Clean breaks and all that.  Incredibly easy to say, I recognize.  But it's still true.

I'm with you on this, but I miss some of the posters.

I miss Darth Tang, he always had some of the best stories. I got several adventure ideas out of them.

Quote from: jeff37923;1089818I'm with you on this, but I miss some of the posters.

I miss Darth Tang, he always had some of the best stories. I got several adventure ideas out of them.

Oh man, memories.
I miss raiding with Black Sky Guild. Luckily I stopped playing WoW before I left RPG.net.

Quote from: EOTB;1089792This is why I prefer boards that either allow most everything, or simply nuke people who don't fit.  We're not going to get to the bottom of anything, we're either going to have a party or burial at sea.  Social gatherings aren't courts, there is no fairness, it's only whether a person improves the scene or not.  If someone shits on my rug, I don't care whether it's malicious or unintentional - they're not coming back in my home.  And it it's because of uncontrollable anal leakage that isn't chosen, I'm sorry for your lot but I'm not scraping shit out of my carpet.

One thing I have seen way too often is when the admin/owners of a forum or chat appoint players as moderators, and then step back and do absolutely nothing when these moderators get out of hand. Or worse, allow the moderators to appoint eachother, which inevitibebly devolves into a cligue who abuse members because they can.

Seen it on MUDs, MUCKs and even some RPG organized play systems.

I had some mini-mods working under me and when they got out of hand I sent them a note to either cut it out or step down or else they were out.

Really people. It is YOUR FUCKING THING! Either tell them to stop fucking around. Or give these jackasses the boot as they are BLEEDING YOU DRY of members or ruining your things reputation! argh!

Quote from: EOTB;1089800A lot of you have a personal investment in RPGnet that I don't.  It never feels good to be told you're no longer welcome someplace that changed around you, especially when you've put time into it.

The only thing worse is to stay.  Clean breaks and all that.  Incredibly easy to say, I recognize.  But it's still true.

Oh do I know the feeling.

I was a moderator for the hermaprodite group way the hell back. A gathering for both the real thing and those who just liked to RP as one. At some point they made moderator of a person who proceeded to get really nasty and when I took him to task about it he got really vile and personal about it. Since this was one of the main admins friends I knew where this was likely to go and so just resigned and walked away. The group didnt last a year after I left and its still a sore point. Insight into the eugenics programs of the 50s and 60s for example was lost.

Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then. Yes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

I have never been a moderator or admin, and I've never had an exhausting job.
But I do know a joung woman who's routinely doing 12-hour shifts as a physician in a pediatric ER ward, often with the senior physician being unavailable for some reason or other. I also used to know an old man who had commanded a paratrooper company in WWII.
I tend to see forum moderation as an activity based on the premise that nobody will die or suffer permanent bodily impairment as a result of your choices.

Quote from: Michele;1089845I have never been a moderator or admin, and I've never had an exhausting job.
But I do know a young woman who's routinely doing 12-hour shifts as a physician in a pediatric ER ward, often with the senior physician being unavailable for some reason or other. I also used to know an old man who had commanded a paratrooper company in WWII.
I tend to see forum moderation as an activity based on the premise that nobody will die or suffer permanent bodily impairment as a result of your choices.

As far as I can tell, Omega has a different definition of emotionally exhausting than I do too. I've never found similar positions to forum mod as emotionally exhausting or even heard people with them describes them as such before. If I did  find a position as Mod/Admin 'emotionally exhaustion' I would have resigned as its a non critical, unpaid entirely voluntary position. *shrug* I will respect his life experiences and word and agree to disagree on the topic.

I'm still a member there.  Stayed after their politico-uprising just because they have the sales/auctions forum.  I tend to cycle through books, so good to have that opportunity.

On a rare occasion, I will find a decent thread.  I just avoid looking at anything the moderators tend to post and stay out of Tangency and Trouble Tickets.

Quote from: Imaginos;1089868I'm still a member there.  Stayed after their politico-uprising just because they have the sales/auctions forum.  I tend to cycle through books, so good to have that opportunity.

On a rare occasion, I will find a decent thread.  I just avoid looking at anything the moderators tend to post and stay out of Tangency and Trouble Tickets.

I've likewise kept my membership but mostly for the ability to reread old threads I liked. Plus a morbid interest in seeing what's happened in Infractions, and (shame the devil) a cowardice-based dislike of burning bridges when not absolutely necessary. I gave up posting in Tangency years before I stopped posting for good.

Quote from: Omega;1089782You've obviously never been a moderator or admin then. Yes. It can be emotionally and physically exhausting.

Yep. It's a thankless task that the bigger the community the harder it is. BUT... if anyone tried administering a forum with the insane rules of TBP - oh yeah that's just smashing your nuts daily with a hammer by choice.

Quote from: Omega;1089782But obviously Wyzard has never actually had a real emotionally exhausting time because they and their flunkies just ban people left and right without even a thought. The emotionally exhausting part comes with you actually take your damn job seriously and treat people like human beings rather than your chattel to be killed on a whim because it amuses you.

Spot on. They're trying to arrange a boxing match with their own users but trying to fit everyone into a straight-jacket. I'm not sure they care at all - but you know, the methods they use to "moderate" their forum renders the term "moderate"  and "forum" pointless.

Quote from: Omega;1089782In 20 years of being just a sub admin on a RPing site I had to deal with sorting out all manner of complaints and just fuck all jackass behavior. The worst is trying to sort out disputes and figure out who did what to who or even if what player A thinks Player B did was really as bad as they think/claim. And dealing with no less than two stalkers. Not to mention an ongoing covert war with a hate group that kept sending in spies to infiltraite and cause distension amongst the players. THAT is fucking exhausting on all levels.

At some point they seem to have lost sight of the responsibilities and what it means to be an admin on a forum.

Same here. It feels like a thankless task because if you do your job right there is little drama. But Drama(tm) always shows up, and then that's when you'll know if you have the temperament for it. You gotta do it because you want to. Fortunately for me the site I admin on, is largely past its "site-vs.-site" wars. The current state of RPG forums means that's likely never going to end.

Quote from: jeff37923;1089818I'm with you on this, but I miss some of the posters.

I miss Darth Tang, he always had some of the best stories. I got several adventure ideas out of them.

Yup. Same. Grubman is another name that springs to mind - back when exploring and playing games was a thing.