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RPG.net is down, I'll vent here...

Started by Wil, March 18, 2007, 01:57:59 PM

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John Morrow

#15
March 18, 2007, 02:42:00 PM
Quote from: blakkieLast month at a resturaunt I had some bison tenderloin with this great saskatoon berry reduction. Highly recommend it.

That sounds like an incoherent dish to me.  To maximize your dining enjoyment, you should always seek to keep your food coherent so your taste won't be confused by conflicting agendas.  So in order to maximize your enjoyment of the bison tenderloin, you shouldn't try to mix it with the taste of the saskatoon berry reduction.
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John Morrow

#16
March 18, 2007, 02:43:52 PM
Quote from: peteramthorOr when they state a single game can do almost anything.

For a while it was OTE.  For a while it was Fudge.  For a while it was Cartoon Action Hour.  For a while it was Risus.  Currently, it sounds like SotC/FATE 3.0 has that honor.

(Disclaimer: I don't blame the authors of those games for the problems, in most cases, but blame the fans.)
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blakkie

#17
March 18, 2007, 02:45:06 PM
Quote from: QuireLook, this fruit-based-sauce-elitism isn't doing any of us any favours. Can we just stick to basic seasoning and be done with it? It is about what matters, after all. The right combination of salt and pepper and a little butter is all it takes, really.

- Q
I pity your brain damaged provincial bad-wrong taste buds.
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Pierce Inverarity

#18
March 18, 2007, 03:00:08 PM
Quote from: Blade Runner ManI'm afraid I don't understand the difference, since I would never fuck over my players. That is simply uncouth, and, IMO, the mark of a bad GM. No system will prevent that, the GM has to correct his or herself.

Initially I had no idea what the disconnect actually was here... but apparently he thinks conflict resolution is about providing a mechanic to resolve a conflict over the rules between players and GM???

Hoboy. Well, from that POV he's making perfect sense. :D
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Quire

#19
March 18, 2007, 03:05:12 PM
Quote from: blakkieI pity your brain damaged provincial bad-wrong taste buds.

I have to say, as much as I am loathe to, that Morrow is right in this case. This combination of flavour sensations is intolerable. Your desire to force us to eat bison your way is patronising at best. And the mere fact that you cite 'provincial' as evidence is indicative of your hidden foodie agenda. There was nothing wrong with bison when it was first cooked, and there's nothing wrong with it now.

- Q

Wil

#20
March 18, 2007, 03:09:17 PM
Quote from: Pierce InverarityInitially I had no idea what the disconnect actually was here... but apparently he thinks conflict resolution is about providing a mechanic to resolve a conflict over the rules between players and GM???

Hoboy. Well, from that POV he's making perfect sense. :D

You and John both make good points. When I can respond I'm going to tell them to read The Shadow of Yesterday.
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Wil

#21
March 18, 2007, 03:13:13 PM
Quote from: John MorrowFor a while it was OTE.  For a while it was Fudge.  For a while it was Cartoon Action Hour.  For a while it was Risus.  Currently, it sounds like SotC/FATE 3.0 has that honor.

(Disclaimer: I don't blame the authors of those games for the problems, in most cases, but blame the fans.)

I actually started looking at FATE more closely because of some of the discussions though, to ferret out exactly what it can and can't do well. I guess if it hadn't been for people pimping it for everything I might not have given it a closer look - but it doesn't keep me from getting irritated when a game is suggested that is obviously out of the scope that someone is asking for.
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John Morrow

#22
March 18, 2007, 03:30:11 PM
Quote from: WilI actually started looking at FATE more closely because of some of the discussions though, to ferret out exactly what it can and can't do well. I guess if it hadn't been for people pimping it for everything I might not have given it a closer look - but it doesn't keep me from getting irritated when a game is suggested that is obviously out of the scope that someone is asking for.

Oh, all of those systems that I listed are good systems.  But like you said, it's irritating when someone suggests them when they are clearly outside of the scope of what someone is asking for.  Heck, even when people say, "I've already tried X and it doesn't meet my needs," you'll almost always find someone trying to pitch them X, anyway, or arguing with them about why they should like it.
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Consonant Dude

#23
March 18, 2007, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: David JohansenWell, in some cases it's the truth.

To do WWII with d20 modern, you need d20 Modern, and the historical sourcebook.

To do GURPS WWII you really need WWII and probably High Tech.

To do WWII with Rolemaster you need Rolemaster or Spacemaster, Weapon Law Firearms, and Rolemaster Pulp Adventures.

There's probably something out there that'd let you do WWII with JANES guides, that would totally rock, but it sure isn't a one book solution.

Yeah, but I wasn't refering to my WWII thread, man. That thread rocked with genuine help, because there just aren't (m)any games covering that genre. :)

I'm talking about fucknuts pushing their darling games (usually a sucky one) down any unsuspecting throat even when it doesn't make sense. Or when there are dozens of easy solutions to try first.

I get that people think Spirit of the Century is fantastic to some, for instance. But these days on RPG.net, it seems there's always someone to suggest using this, whether it's for a Mortal Kombat game or Star Trek or Conan or as an alternative to Phoenix Command. It gets annoying.

And don't even get me started on fucking WUSHU...
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Settembrini

#24
March 18, 2007, 06:16:39 PM
QuoteThere's probably something out there that'd let you do WWII with JANES guides, that would totally rock, but it sure isn't a one book solution.

The single book needed is called GunsGunsGuns!
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Christmas Ape

#25
March 18, 2007, 06:28:15 PM
Quote from: John MorrowFor a while it was OTE.  For a while it was Fudge.  For a while it was Cartoon Action Hour.  For a while it was Risus.  Currently, it sounds like SotC/FATE 3.0 has that honor.

(Disclaimer: I don't blame the authors of those games for the problems, in most cases, but blame the fans.)
In fairness, I'd say Risus, Fudge, and FATE 3.0 all could do pretty any type of game you wanted.

How they do it might leave a bad taste in your mouth, but any system where you make up your own abilities is pretty universal.
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#26
March 18, 2007, 07:23:57 PM
Quote from: John Morrow(For an example here, look at the thread titled "Fast-playing traditional games" and think about how many of the suggestions even try to fit into that category?)
Well, "traditional" as defined by the OP does cover an awful lot of ground. Which suggestions did you have in mind?
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grubman

#27
March 18, 2007, 08:55:24 PM
Quote from: John MorrowOh, all of those systems that I listed are good systems.  But like you said, it's irritating when someone suggests them when they are clearly outside of the scope of what someone is asking for.  Heck, even when people say, "I've already tried X and it doesn't meet my needs," you'll almost always find someone trying to pitch them X, anyway, or arguing with them about why they should like it.

I'll do this on occasion, but only because the person who states that they have tried "game X" shows such an obvious misunderstanding of the game that you can tell they are just bullshitting for some reason or other.  I often step in to defend Game X, not so much to convince the OP into trying it, but just in case someone else is reading and takes what the OP is saying as fact (Instead of the bull it is).

grubman

#28
March 18, 2007, 08:58:00 PM
Quote from: Consonant DudeAnd don't even get me started on fucking WUSHU...

...Kiero!  I hate that guy.  Can's say that over there...so I guess there is a good reason to post over here on occasion. :)

Bramha_Bull

#29
March 18, 2007, 10:22:30 PM
Quote from: SettembriniThe single book needed is called GunsGunsGuns!

I think I have that book somewhere.  My favorite though was the one put out by R Talsorian.

Ah - here's the link for the book.
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