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Roleplaying in the 80s

Started by TristramEvans, November 02, 2013, 12:22:42 PM

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Omega

#45
November 07, 2013, 05:25:58 AM
Quote from: Marleycat;705954Like myself I think female gamers tend to prefer horror and fantasy with horror themes. Hence Palladium Fantasy basically Dnd with horror overtones. The game pulled no punches about magic or paths therein or demons/devils unlike it's contemporary 2e.

It's alignment system was well explained in modern terms and allowed for moral ambiguity just like any White Wolf game. Which is key for any horror/fantasy-horror not in the slasher/slapstick genre.

Saw that too with Dragon Storm and Call of Cthulhu. By coincidence or not, both of those also have a darker tone to them. Probably good for its own thread.

Sometimes it just takes a certain catalyst to attract. My sisters liked Gamma World but werent so into D&D and kinda neutral on Star Frontiers. Spelljammer though got their attention and later briefly Planescape before everyone parted ways to different states.

flyerfan1991

#46
November 07, 2013, 06:37:47 AM
Quote from: Marleycat;705957Not to be mean but what took you so long? They are the perfect example of fantasy/horror.:)

And eroticism.  Given the Anne Rice novel's descendents in urban fantasy, there's a big play on eroticism with vampires and werewolves.  In fact, I'm quite sure that the whole vampire/werewolf/shapeshifter thing has jumped the shark, but I can't pinpoint exactly where.

As for me, I've been busy, and trying to avoid replying to the Republican thread as much as possible.  ;)  Our neighborhood is filled with Tea Partiers, so I'm quite familiar with their rhetoric.

Ravenswing

#47
November 07, 2013, 09:31:19 AM
Quote from: Marleycat;705951As a woman let me give you a hint...right before WW there was Palladium Fantasy, lots of females in that player base. But honestly it wasn't until VtM and with it LARP on a large scale did women really come into the hobby in significant numbers. Which was the very late'80's and early'90's.
I formed a theory as to why our combat fantasy LARP was so much more egalitarian than many a tabletop group: basically, if a woman fighter can kick your ass on the battlefield, it's pretty hard for you to marginalize her.
This was a cool site, until it became an echo chamber for whiners screeching about how the "Evul SJWs are TAKING OVAH!!!" every time any RPG book included a non-"traditional" NPC or concept, or their MAGA peeners got in a twist. You're in luck, drama queens: the Taliban is hiring.

Just Another Snake Cult

#48
November 08, 2013, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;705750This video reminded me of two things: first, how GW was once totally awesome and not a shit-soaked crap-factory.


RPGPundit

I started reading some of the "Oldhammer" community blogs and I was surprised at just how nostalgic they made me. I had forgotten just how fresh, exciting, and inspiring classics like the original Rouge Trader and the two Realms of Chaos tomes were back when they were new.
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TristramEvans

#49
November 08, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;706391I started reading some of the "Oldhammer" community blogs and I was surprised at just how nostalgic they made me. I had forgotten just how fresh, exciting, and inspiring classics like the original Rouge Trader and the two Realms of Chaos tomes were back when they were new.

Oldhammer is the OSR of wargaming, only far far better

The Traveller

#50
November 08, 2013, 04:03:40 PM
Quote from: Ravenswing;706026I formed a theory as to why our combat fantasy LARP was so much more egalitarian than many a tabletop group: basically, if a woman fighter can kick your ass on the battlefield, it's pretty hard for you to marginalize her.
Also why gender equality somehow going back to the 19th century in post apocalyptic scenarios is tripe - if you can squeeze a trigger, you're equal.

Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;706391I had forgotten just how fresh, exciting, and inspiring classics like the original Rouge Trader and the two Realms of Chaos tomes were back when they were new.
Is that like rogue trader only more fabulous?

Sorry, sorry, carry on.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Just Another Snake Cult

#51
November 08, 2013, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;706461Is that like rogue trader only more fabulous?

Sorry, sorry, carry on.

LOL.

No, it's the one that's like Rogue Trader only with mass-murdering early 70's Cambodian Communists.
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The Traveller

#52
November 08, 2013, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: Just Another Snake Cult;706463LOL.

No, it's the one that's like Rogue Trader only with mass-murdering early 70's Cambodian Communists.
That eh, that still sounds like today's WH40k. Seriously look at the uniforms of the Comissars and compare with the uniforms of the guys in Enemy at the Gates. They even have a little holy book hanging from their belts.
"These children are playing with dark and dangerous powers!"
"What else are you meant to do with dark and dangerous powers?"
A concise overview of GNS theory.
Quote from: that muppet vince baker on RPGsIf you care about character arcs or any, any, any lit 101 stuff, I\'d choose a different game.

Omega

#53
November 08, 2013, 09:13:20 PM
Quote from: The Traveller;706461Also why gender equality somehow going back to the 19th century in post apocalyptic scenarios is tripe - if you can squeeze a trigger, you're equal.

Luckily most PA RPGs and some movies tend to show the women doing fairly well when given a chance.

Dan Vince

#54
November 08, 2013, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;705954Like myself I think female gamers tend to prefer horror and fantasy with horror themes. Hence Palladium Fantasy basically Dnd with horror overtones. The game pulled no punches about magic or paths therein or demons/devils unlike it's contemporary 2e.

It's alignment system was well explained in modern terms and allowed for moral ambiguity just like any White Wolf game. Which is key for any horror/fantasy-horror not in the slasher/slapstick genre.

This is interesting. I personally never observed a great number of female gamers gravitating toward Palladium, though I don't find your experience surprising.
I should add that Palladium Fantasy, at least the real version, provided illustrations of all the magic circles and symbols the Summoner and Diabolist classes could create. There were lists detailing what medium each circle was to be drawn with, what if anything was to be sacrificed and where that sacrifice was to be placed, and what power words were to be spoken. The power words were all spelt out phonetically.
This game taught you to conjure a balrog in your living room.
Beat that, TSR.

Marleycat

#55
November 08, 2013, 10:00:53 PM
Quote from: Omega;706523Luckily most PA RPGs and some movies tend to show the women doing fairly well when given a chance.

Alice for the win.:D
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Marleycat

#56
November 08, 2013, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: Dan Vincze;706529This is interesting. I personally never observed a great number of female gamers gravitating toward Palladium, though I don't find your experience surprising.
I should add that Palladium Fantasy, at least the real version, provided illustrations of all the magic circles and symbols the Summoner and Diabolist classes could create. There were lists detailing what medium each circle was to be drawn with, what if anything was to be sacrificed and where that sacrifice was to be placed, and what power words were to be spoken. The power words were all spelt out phonetically.
This game taught you to conjure a balrog in your living room.
Beat that, TSR.

Yup, and not just the Diabolist's and Summoner's. Anyway I was in an all female group in Palladium talk about bloodthirsty....
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)
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