What would happen if they kept OGL 1.0 but pulled the SRD. That would hamper creating any new 'clones' going forward.

Yep.

And even during all this blowup the woke were praising the "anti bigot" clauses and how that would really upset the Right wing.

Quote from: Omega on January 13, 2023, 11:48:30 AM
Yep.

And even during all this blowup the woke were praising the "anti bigot" clauses and how that would really upset the Right wing.

That is divide and conquer. They pissed off everyone and are trying to at least get the love from the woke.

Quote from: 3catcircus on January 13, 2023, 11:01:31 AM
Yep. The question is - what features do roll20, Foundry, Fantasy Grounds, etc. have that are clearly better than whatever WotC does with one&D?

What they already have.

Huh? You ask.

Because the plan is for the One D&D VTT to be a 3D immersive environment. Think Bioware's Neverwinter Nights but with better UI for VTT play and better graphics.

But...

Doing this this way the exactly the same as releasing a RPG and you HAVE to use Dwarven Forge. With the current set of VTTs, you can operate them at varying levels of automation and sophistication. Because they all remain true to the core concept of a VTT (whiteboard + text chat + RPG utilities like a dice roller) they have this flexibility.

The monstrosity that Wizards plans will not. Hence my analogy. Imagine a world where the only way you can play D&D face to face is with Dwarven Forge and minis. Not theater of the mind, no quick dry erase maps, etc. Just Dwarven Forge setups and minis every session.

I love my Dwarven Forge but not that much. And the result would be stifling and boring after a while. It good to mix things up for interest, and good for the flow of the campaign.

Quote from: estar on January 13, 2023, 11:50:28 AM
Imagine a world where the only way you can play D&D face to face is with Dwarven Forge and minis. Not theater of the mind, no quick dry erase maps, etc. Just Dwarven Forge setups and minis every session.

I love my Dwarven Forge but not that much. And the result would be stifling and boring after a while. It good to mix things up for interest, and good for the flow of the campaign.

My guess is all the we'll "take your IP" wording in the OGL1.1 was a very sloppy way of saying 'we will have tools that allow you to create 3d rooms and avatars and if you create anything great we want it to expand our toolset. Thus everyone builds the virtual world for WotC.

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 13, 2023, 11:25:48 AM
Did WotC just blink?

No, they are still claiming they can de-authorise OGL 1.0 and prevent future publications under it. This "You win! We all win!" stuff is just a tactical adjustment, like the Greeks leaving the wooden horse before Troy.

Quote from: Frey on January 13, 2023, 11:47:25 AM
From the D&D Beyond update:

Second, you're going to hear people say that they won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change our plans. Those people will only be half right. They won—and so did we.

You have to be really petty to write something like that.

The one time it was worth falling on the sword and being Humble they decided to go Smug.  This line will be repeated over and over even though in the next paragraph they reiterate how they are Sorry for not listening, etc.

They are Sorry/NotSorry for getting caught.

Quote from: Frey on January 13, 2023, 11:47:25 AM
From the D&D Beyond update:

Second, you're going to hear people say that they won, and we lost because making your voices heard forced us to change our plans. Those people will only be half right. They won—and so did we.

You have to be really petty to write something like that.

The back-peddling is so severe, they just gave themselves whiplash.

According to all the analogies being used, I don't think we can go with "rolled a 1".  That insufficient.  So far, scattered across multiple threads, we've got:

- Falling on their swords
- Whiplash
- Falling with their pants down
- Getting their dicks caught in their zippers

Let me know if I've missed any.  Sounds like they are playing with those Role Master fumble tables.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on January 13, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
Let me know if I've missed any.  Sounds like they are playing with those Role Master fumble tables.

  Which inspires "broke their necks while tripping over an imaginary deceased turtle."

Like I said - it's too late. The Damage is Done (tm).

They're taking on water and trying to organize the deck-orchestra to get people to keep dancing. Too many people already started making moves away from them. It would be ludicrous to believe they're going to stop and just trust WotC to be acting in good faith.

It's like the a that pulls the revolver, sticks three bullets into the cylinder, spins it, and pulls the trigger on you and it went CLACK! Then while you're trying to get away, he swears it was a goof.

A lot of people have their livelihoods tied to this hobby, and these clowns at WotC are over there waving their gun around.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on January 13, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
According to all the analogies being used, I don't think we can go with "rolled a 1".  That insufficient.  So far, scattered across multiple threads, we've got:

- Falling on their swords
- Whiplash
- Falling with their pants down
- Getting their dicks caught in their zippers

Let me know if I've missed any.  Sounds like they are playing with those Role Master fumble tables.

Mine was "spilled sticky soda on your DM's favorite classic game book because you were doing something stupid you shouldn't have been at the table."

Quote from: Chris24601 on January 13, 2023, 10:49:32 PM

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on January 13, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
According to all the analogies being used, I don't think we can go with "rolled a 1".  That insufficient.  So far, scattered across multiple threads, we've got:

- Falling on their swords
- Whiplash
- Falling with their pants down
- Getting their dicks caught in their zippers

Let me know if I've missed any.  Sounds like they are playing with those Role Master fumble tables.

Mine was "spilled sticky soda on your DM's favorite classic game book because you were doing something stupid you shouldn't have been at the table."

I thought it was chocolate sauce...

Quote from: Steven Mitchell on January 13, 2023, 04:27:48 PM
According to all the analogies being used, I don't think we can go with "rolled a 1".  That insufficient.  So far, scattered across multiple threads, we've got:

- Falling on their swords
- Whiplash
- Falling with their pants down
- Getting their dicks caught in their zippers

Let me know if I've missed any.  Sounds like they are playing with those Role Master fumble tables.

What they've really done is come out with a new hat.  A reference to The SImpsons Malibu Stacy company, when faced with criticism (and a better product), simply put out Malibu Stacy with a new hat.

In this case, the new hat is the anti-bigotry stuff, which addresses an issue that doesn't exist in any real form in the hobby (I mean, out of the 10000s of RPG books/pdf how many are genuinely racist/bigoted?), but will win over the woke crowd who see bigotry everywhere and love censorship

The core issue for me is them revoking the 1.0a OGL and thus with it all the material released. Even if they have an exception for past products still existing