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[RIFTS: Savage Worlds] Kickstarter launches April 26

Started by The Butcher, April 12, 2016, 09:00:49 PM

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Christopher Brady

So as of 3:30AM EDT on 4/28/2016, the funding currently stands at $174,006 out of the requested $8,000, nearly 22x (It's actually closer to 21.75, but I rounded up) the requested amount..  Safe to say that they got a hit?
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The Butcher

Glitter Boy "framework" (an O.C.C.-like package) is up! Link

Though Siembieda is a master of brief, evocative write-ups, gotta love the world info packed in this version.

Ulairi

I'm in for $250. I have never played Savage Worlds at all but I'm a big Rifts fan. I think this is going to review really well partially because the gaming intelligentsia loves to hate on the Palladium system. I've found that once a player is through character creation the system itself is pretty straight forward. The splatbook bloat is hard because there are so many books but that is an easier variable to control for a GM.

Looking into Savage Worlds, it looks pretty cool, but I was a little disappointed listening to a podcast interview on the new Rifts version that the system allows players if they take a fatal hit to tell the table how they are going to die (or work with the GM) it's a little story gamerish for me.

BUT! The Solomon Kane setting looks awesome and I am going to purchase all of the products for it because I love me some Solomon Kane.

crkrueger

They have a hit, and they're racking up a good amount with stretch goals that are...well pretty underwhelming really.  Practically every single one looks to be a PDF article they probably cut from the main text to get each book in at 96 pages.  They're not doing a "Pre-Order Kickstarter" to fund the writing of additional books, it's just to cover printing of this run, three and out.  I can respect not wanting to get in over their head with swag goals, that eat up all the profits, but so far, this is a pretty stingy KS compared to say the 7th Sea or Modiphius one.

The Glitterboy...hmm 4d12+6 damage AP25, that's a pretty good gun, but the armor on the Glitterboy...ouch.  +18 Armor?  So basically a Glitterboy will vaporize another Glitterboy in one shot?  I realize with armor that is Absorbing instead of Ablative it completely changes the paradigm, but I would have expected Glitterboys to be tougher.
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Ulairi

Quote from: CRKrueger;894524They have a hit, and they're racking up a good amount with stretch goals that are...well pretty underwhelming really.  Practically every single one looks to be a PDF article they probably cut from the main text to get each book in at 96 pages.  They're not doing a "Pre-Order Kickstarter" to fund the writing of additional books, it's just to cover printing of this run, three and out.  I can respect not wanting to get in over their head with swag goals, that eat up all the profits, but so far, this is a pretty stingy KS compared to say the 7th Sea or Modiphius one.

The Glitterboy...hmm 4d12+6 damage AP25, that's a pretty good gun, but the armor on the Glitterboy...ouch.  +18 Armor?  So basically a Glitterboy will vaporize another Glitterboy in one shot?  I realize with armor that is Absorbing instead of Ablative it completely changes the paradigm, but I would have expected Glitterboys to be tougher.

They said it's going to be a permanent line and will be releasing additional products, including a plot point campaign, so I am kind of glad they are not having a lot of KS bloat that could slow down release. This is functionally a big pre-order gig and that's how I'm viewing it. We aren't funding any development or production.

Imaginos

Quote from: CRKrueger;894524The Glitterboy...hmm 4d12+6 damage AP25, that's a pretty good gun, but the armor on the Glitterboy...ouch.  +18 Armor?  So basically a Glitterboy will vaporize another Glitterboy in one shot?  I realize with armor that is Absorbing instead of Ablative it completely changes the paradigm, but I would have expected Glitterboys to be tougher.

This is not a snark answer.  This is honestly questioning.  Aren't most "tanks" like that?  They couldn't take a direct hit from their own main gun?  I've always just kind of assumed that, so don't really know.  But I don't have a problem with it myself.  It just means you REALLY need to get the drop on the other guy.

crkrueger

Quote from: Imaginos;894540This is not a snark answer.  This is honestly questioning.  Aren't most "tanks" like that?  They couldn't take a direct hit from their own main gun?  I've always just kind of assumed that, so don't really know.  But I don't have a problem with it myself.  It just means you REALLY need to get the drop on the other guy.

Hmm, you do have a point, but I think a M1A3 Abrams can survive a hit from it's main gun, at least on the front, especially with DPU armor.  Maybe a tank expert can chime in here.

By my math though, you'd need to roll really low, like 13 on 4d6 to be able to not incapacitate the pilot.  In Rifts, even a headshot on a Glitterboy by a Boomgun was likely to not be a one-shot kill.  

It turns Glitterboys into glass cannons.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

yabaziou

Quote from: Imaginos;894540This is not a snark answer.  This is honestly questioning.  Aren't most "tanks" like that?  They couldn't take a direct hit from their own main gun?  I've always just kind of assumed that, so don't really know.  But I don't have a problem with it myself.  It just means you REALLY need to get the drop on the other guy.

Maybe most actual tanks are like that, but the Glitter Boy in the Rifts core is effing strong : 700 + MDC and its main gun makes 3D6 x 10 MDC. It will one shoot most personal body armor but the Coalition SAMAS will need 2 full damage shoots to be destroyed (350 MDC).

Concerning the Rifts metaplot, there is actually one, which begins in the corebook : the Coalition invasion of Tolkeen, the Atlantis expansion, the Vampire Invasion and the NGR/Triax struggle against the Gargoyle Empire and its Brodkill allies.

It is expended with the 2 first sourcebooks with Archie 3 and the Mechanoids. There is also the 4 horsemen invasion with Rifts Africa. Then after exploring the post apocaliptic Earth (England, Germany, South America and Japan), the Rifts story continues with the Juicer Uprising and the resurgence of the Federation of Magic.
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crkrueger

People don't think of Rifts as a "metaplot game" because Siembieda didn't whip it out right on your forehead.  It was, like all good metaplot, the background tapestry of the world, just what was going on, that the players could interact with, or not.

The Siege on Tolkeen was a change in that if you included it in your campaign, it was kind of hard to ignore if you were anywhere near the conflict.  It also changed everything that came after, so now you had to make the choice of running a "Tolkeen Compliant Campaign" or not. It also moved the world into a darker grey, as the depths to which the Tolkeen leadership sank basically validated the Coalition position that all magic-users eventually fall to evil.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

yabaziou

I agree with you, CRKrueger. Some like to mock Rifts and Siembieda because they are too cool for them, forgetting that Siembieda is almost the only author/publisher who keeps control of his creation even after 30 years in the industry. The biggest hurdle tp onvercome concerning the Palladium ststem is the character creation because there is som much option and the OCC/RCC thing is a little restrictive.
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Christopher Brady

Quote from: CRKrueger;894524They have a hit, and they're racking up a good amount with stretch goals that are...well pretty underwhelming really.  Practically every single one looks to be a PDF article they probably cut from the main text to get each book in at 96 pages.  They're not doing a "Pre-Order Kickstarter" to fund the writing of additional books, it's just to cover printing of this run, three and out.  I can respect not wanting to get in over their head with swag goals, that eat up all the profits, but so far, this is a pretty stingy KS compared to say the 7th Sea or Modiphius one.

The thing is with a lot of Kickstarters, the issue is that they're often delayed because of all the stretch goals.  Remember, when you have people putting money up, they need to print/make more of the options than they expected.  That takes time, and the more physical KS the more things they need to produce, which will change their logistics big time.

Personally, less 'stretch goals' better book is what I want.
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Orphan81

It takes two full rounds for the Glitterboy to fire up that gun, and he has to make sure none of his friends are around him in a large Burst template, or they're gonna get deafened. Pretty much what it sounds like to me, is the Boom Gun is being set as the "Height" of damage output... the biggest baddest source of damage in the game (barring probably a few exceptions) They even encourage the Glitterboy to use another gun, since you'e not expected to use the Boom gun every round.

So they made the Boom gun worth all the penalties that come with using it. I don't expect their armor to be shitty against other things.
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Christopher Brady

I'm curious what they're doing with the cyber-knight.

And I'm getting tempted to actually back this one.  But I want the $45 level, but that's in American funds and CDN is getting nailed to a wall in terms of exchange rates.
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Shawn Merrow

Quote from: yabaziou;894345That is very weird to read that explanation. Palladium books has a lot if reuse art in its books and the copyright notice only mentions Palladium and Kevin Siembieda as copyright holders ... Matbe the original contract with the artists only allow use for Palladium ...

It will be strange to see a Rifts books with the iconic illustrations made by Kevin Long and Vince Martin to name a few (the TMNT artist too, I forget his name).

Maybe they will still hire Zeleznik for the cover.

They mentioned in one of the podcasts that Kevin left the rights with the artists. That is why they would need to do new contracts to use any of that artwork.

Ulairi

I'm hoping they hire Kevin Long to do some artwork