Quote from: RunningLaser;898971Was anyone else here thinking that the KS would have gone higher?  Don't get me wrong, $438,076 is a lot of money.  The initial blast off for this was impressive, then seemed to lose steam fast.

Thats kind of average for a KS. Big initial jump then a slowdown.

I think some Rifts fans are backing off due to how things are being done with the KS and the setting. How the elements are being handled. And at least one big Rifts fan I know who was keen to get this dropped out due to the SW designers attitude. (No clue what that was. didnt ask further.) So theres various little things thats going to rub someone the wrong way.

Same as how some Dragonlance and Gamma World fans wouldnt touch White Wolf's d20 DL and GW books for various reasons.

Quote from: RunningLaser;898971Was anyone else here thinking that the KS would have gone higher?  Don't get me wrong, $438,076 is a lot of money.  The initial blast off for this was impressive, then seemed to lose steam fast.

Shipping costs probably killed a lot of it.  It has kept me away.

Quote from: KingCheops;898991Shipping costs probably killed a lot of it.  It has kept me away.

oooh? Good point. I didnt even look at the shipping cost. It was supposed to be US and EU friendly?

Quote from: Omega;898988Same as how some Dragonlance and Gamma World fans wouldnt touch White Wolf's d20 DL and GW books for various reasons.

  White Wolf did Ravenloft for d20; Dragonlance was done by Sovereign Press/Margaret Weis Productions.

  And it was about half of the books that Ravenloft fans wouldn't touch, due to two distinct sets of freelancers doing most of them and slack control on both rules and setting content by the line editors. The stuff done primarily by the Kargatane was well-received; the stuff done by newcomers and White Wolf freelancers ... less so.

Ah. Got them mixed up then. Thanks.

Heard about the freelancer problem. Never had confirmation. Baugh and co I thought were in-house regulars for WW?

Quote from: RunningLaser;898971Was anyone else here thinking that the KS would have gone higher?  Don't get me wrong, $438,076 is a lot of money.  The initial blast off for this was impressive, then seemed to lose steam fast.

It is far more money than I would I thought for a game that many enjoy mocking on the Internet !

Quote from: RunningLaser;898971Was anyone else here thinking that the KS would have gone higher?  Don't get me wrong, $438,076 is a lot of money.  The initial blast off for this was impressive, then seemed to lose steam fast.

I thought it would hit $600k, but I also thought I was going to be one of the backers.

There were too many missteps, especially altering Rifts to fit SW (not altering their system to emulate the setting).

Also, Pinnacle missed the mark with their price points. That's something the 7th Sea KS really nailed.

For as absolutely lackluster as this KS was, they made an incredible amount of money.  All the stretch goals were small articles, probably 1-2 pagers and many of those should have been in any Core Rifts book.  There's a couple adventures, which coming from Pinnacle, means maybe 5 pages.  I mean the profit they're gonna make is crazy(even after Kevin's cut).  Modiphius is going to have to do literally 10-15 times the work at least for their money, and even Wick is gonna have 3-5 times the work.

Dollars taken in per page and rewards produced, this is the most profitable RPG Kickstarter of all time.  There's no way they can spend all that money getting those books out, not even if shipping costs somehow double to match what they listed.  They're in strippers and blow territory.

At least we know now that Rifts is way more popular than people thought, which no doubt will make purple wonder what the hell is wrong with gamers.  At least being called a Neo-Nazi will be different than the standard rapist/misogynist.  BTW, ahouldn't that be like NeoNeoNeoNeoNazi?

This is one of the few Kickstarters I wanted to back.  Couldn't.

My biggest issue with Tolkien was not the haphazard choices and metaplot, it was what it did to the Cyber-Knight OCC.  That to me was the biggest, most heinous crime in the books.

Quote from: CRKrueger;899171For as absolutely lackluster as this KS was, they made an incredible amount of money.  All the stretch goals were small articles, probably 1-2 pagers and many of those should have been in any Core Rifts book.  There's a couple adventures, which coming from Pinnacle, means maybe 5 pages.  I mean the profit they're gonna make is crazy(even after Kevin's cut).  Modiphius is going to have to do literally 10-15 times the work at least for their money, and even Wick is gonna have 3-5 times the work.

Dollars taken in per page and rewards produced, this is the most profitable RPG Kickstarter of all time.  There's no way they can spend all that money getting those books out, not even if shipping costs somehow double to match what they listed.  They're in strippers and blow territory.

At least we know now that Rifts is way more popular than people thought, which no doubt will make purple wonder what the hell is wrong with gamers.  At least being called a Neo-Nazi will be different than the standard rapist/misogynist.  BTW, ahouldn't that be like NeoNeoNeoNeoNazi?

Eh, I play 40k.  Being called a neo-nazi by a bunch of regressive fuckwits isn't exactly a new thing.

Quote from: CRKrueger;899171At least we know now that Rifts is way more popular than people thought, which no doubt will make purple wonder what the hell is wrong with gamers.  At least being called a Neo-Nazi will be different than the standard rapist/misogynist.  BTW, ahouldn't that be like NeoNeoNeoNeoNazi?

I doubt that the SJWs who actually care about such things are old enough to know anything about Palladium, and if they are they wouldn't risk their "in crowd" status by admitting that they did.

JG

The real telling point will be in how players and GMs react to it once they actually get it.

Who called who Neo-Nazis?  It wasn't me.  I was just saying that claiming that the Coalition (who, yes, are effectively Neo-Nazis) are A) the most 'prepared', when the very thing they are against, they had no defenses (as the time) and B) and calling them 'good guys' (Well, the nicer ones than Tolkien) when they practice xenophobic genocide and enslavement is both a little presumptuous and maybe short-sighted.

I did NOT call anyone anything.  I'm questioning the validity of the claim, nothing more.

I Believe this is probably Savage World's most successful Kickstarter. I can't wait to get my hands on the material since I can't stand the Rifts system. For me, this is a dream come true, finally getting to run Rifts. Pinnacle, much like SineNomine are very very conservative when it comes to stretch goals, it's so they can deliver product on time and with everything they promised..

I kickstarted 7th Sea as well, but I hope John Wick hasn't put himself into a hole with the sheer number of products we're all getting for free thanks to the stretch goals promised.

I've been re-reading the Coallition Wars series, due to this thread, and I think the worst thing about them isn't the story itself, but that K. Siembieda writes like a 12 year old.