Review of Supplement V: Carcosa

jeff37923 · October 18, 2008, 11:28:41 AM

Quote from: StormBringer;258215That is just torture porn raised to the sick fuck level.

Pretty much the conclusion I was drawing.

Kyle Aaron · October 18, 2008, 11:29:57 AM

Quote from: JimLotFP;258202This is only true if you consider the "role-playing" part of playing a role-playing game to be inconsequential.

And if you don't consider it inconsequential, then you probably won't want to be roleplaying a child murderer, rapist, etc.

So we see that the game gives us two choices,

do bad shit in-game, get in-game rewards and no in-game penalty
do good shit in-game, get in-game punishment and no in-game reward

That's a railroad to hell.

JimLotFP · October 18, 2008, 11:50:15 AM

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;258222And if you don't consider it inconsequential, then you probably won't want to be roleplaying a child murderer, rapist, etc.

So we see that the game gives us two choices,

do bad shit in-game, get in-game rewards and no in-game penalty
do good shit in-game, get in-game punishment and no in-game reward
That's a railroad to hell.

I recommend looking into one of those Forge storygames if you'd like your particular preferences spelled out in game mechanics.

StormBringer · October 18, 2008, 11:56:06 AM

Quote from: JimLotFP;258228I recommend looking into one of those Forge storygames if you'd like your particular preferences spelled out in game mechanics.

It has nothing to do with the mechanics. This is a diversion from the point that the authour has yet to point to a solid reason for including the descriptions for certain rituals. And you are starting out by doing a spectacularly poor job of it as well.

walkerp · October 18, 2008, 11:58:58 AM

Please, I'd say he caught you in a pretty neat little logical trap. He has succesfully demonstrated that Jeff23425656 had to use story-game thinking to attack the supplement for its moral weaknesses. I can't wait to hear your Bliss Stage AP, Jeff234234!

StormBringer · October 18, 2008, 12:06:29 PM

Quote from: walkerp;258233Please, I'd say he caught you in a pretty neat little logical trap. He has succesfully demonstrated that Jeff23425656 had to use story-game thinking to attack the supplement for its moral weaknesses. I can't wait to hear your Bliss Stage AP, Jeff234234!

And what trap would that be? Addressing the descriptive elements of the game is only possible from a Forge perspective? Or the part where the authour explains a sorcerer's loss of humanity that doesn't actually exist in either the descriptive text or the mechanical rules?

jeff37923 · October 18, 2008, 12:13:28 PM

I thought I was on your Ignore List, wankerp.

Just couldn't stay away from my Posting Goodness, could you?

RPGPundit · October 18, 2008, 12:19:07 PM

Quote from: Fritzs;258141I am not defending child molesters, I am defending pedophiles, who haven't molested any child. I't you know paraphilia, which means deviation from common sexuality,

Yes, and now its time you stopped. Mythusmage was topic banned because he couldn't shut up about this very topic.
The topic has been established as disruptive to the forum.

Whether you're saying this because you are sincerely pro-pedophilia or because you're just trying to disrupt this forum in a particularly grotesque way, you're done now.

Consider this a topic ban. ONE more fucking post where you even so much as mention pedophilia, and you get banned. Please, please, motherfucker, give me an excuse.

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walkerp · October 18, 2008, 12:37:52 PM

Split the thread and move it to off-topic, or even close it if necessary. I agree that this isn't appropriate for the roleplaying forum, but banning Fritzs is a mistake and will cause repercussions that will damage the freedom of this site.

CavScout · October 18, 2008, 12:41:16 PM

Quote from: Fritzs;258169CavScout: Social stigma would lead to less of them going to visit psychiatrist because of fear and shame before they have molested kid, which would lead to less of them, which have not yet molested kid, getting medication. Less of them geting medication leads to more children geting molested.

Got that...?

Social stigma for pedophiles is warranted and needed. Unlike you, I want no confusion that they are fucked up.

CavScout · October 18, 2008, 12:42:30 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;258181As far as I can tell, there is no rules mechanic linked to the potential gain in power against the danger to his own life and to his own humanity except for role-playing. How is this then demonstrated?

This.

The only dilemma is if you can get enough "creepy" gamers together to maximize the source material.

RPGPundit · October 18, 2008, 12:51:44 PM

I'm going to close this thread. However, if anyone wants to start a new thread about Carcossa and its relative virtues or flaws, feel free to do so. Let's make sure that one doesn't turn into a general argument about pedophilia, and sticks to stuff more specifically about the morality of the supplement if necessary.

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