Review of Supplement V: Carcosa

Fritzs · October 18, 2008, 05:49:07 AM

CavScout: Cos if you take teh meds and go to teh therapy you won't feel urge to rape teh kids.But if there is teh strong social stigma attached to being teh pedophile, there is teh greater chance, that you would feel so ashamed by by teh deviant sexual lust of yours, that you won't go to see teh doctor with them and teh frustration from unfulfïled urges will ultimately result in you raping teh kids.

That's it.

CavScout · October 18, 2008, 05:53:29 AM

You act as if there shouldn't be a social stigma attached to being a pedophile. You're not just wrong, you fucking off the charts wrong.

Fritzs · October 18, 2008, 08:11:56 AM

CavScout: Social stigma would lead to less of them going to visit psychiatrist because of fear and shame before they have molested kid, which would lead to less of them, which have not yet molested kid, getting medication. Less of them geting medication leads to more children geting molested.

Got that...?

One Horse Town · October 18, 2008, 08:53:58 AM

Dude, all you've done over the course of this thread is prove that creepy games attract creepy gamers. Unfortunately, you don't have the brains to realise that you've offered yourself up as a prime example.

Is anyone gonna talk about RPGs?

jeff37923 · October 18, 2008, 09:57:39 AM

Quote from: Geoffrey;258082I like the dilemmas it poses. On Carcosa, all too often the price of sorcerous power is the loss of one's own humanity. A sorcerer has to weigh the potential gain in power against the danger to his own life and to his own humanity.

As far as I can tell, there is no rules mechanic linked to the potential gain in power against the danger to his own life and to his own humanity except for role-playing. How is this then demonstrated?

JimLotFP · October 18, 2008, 10:11:04 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;258181As far as I can tell, there is no rules mechanic linked to the potential gain in power against the danger to his own life and to his own humanity except for role-playing. How is this then demonstrated?

Sorcerers must make a save when performing a ritual, or age.

The target creatures get a saving throw... it can be a complete disaster if control isn't established over the particular entity, or that banishment doesn't happen as planned... and many of the rituals have specific things that must be done or the entity in question will simply gobble up the sorcerer.

jeff37923 · October 18, 2008, 10:17:51 AM

Quote from: JimLotFP;258184Sorcerers must make a save when performing a ritual, or age.

The target creatures get a saving throw... it can be a complete disaster if control isn't established over the particular entity, or that banishment doesn't happen as planned... and many of the rituals have specific things that must be done or the entity in question will simply gobble up the sorcerer.

So how is the danger to the sorcerer's humanity demonstrated by rules mechanics?

JimLotFP · October 18, 2008, 10:24:07 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;258188So how is the danger to the sorcerer's humanity demonstrated by rules mechanics?

This isn't Sorcerer, the game.

jeff37923 · October 18, 2008, 10:26:07 AM

Quote from: JimLotFP;258192This isn't Sorcerer, the game.

Thanks for the non-answer.

RandallS · October 18, 2008, 10:29:35 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;258188So how is the danger to the sorcerer's humanity demonstrated by rules mechanics?

This is a supplement for OD&D. It doesn't have rules for this type of stuff, that's for the DM to handle as he/she sees fit. I know this doesn't sit well with gamers who like to have such things covered with rules, but leaving most things up to the DM is what many OD&D players and DMs like.

JimLotFP · October 18, 2008, 10:30:45 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;258193Thanks for the non-answer.

No problem.

jeff37923 · October 18, 2008, 10:48:06 AM

Quote from: RandallS;258194This is a supplement for OD&D. It doesn't have rules for this type of stuff, that's for the DM to handle as he/she sees fit. I know this doesn't sit well with gamers who like to have such things covered with rules, but leaving most things up to the DM is what many OD&D players and DMs like.

I can understand that, but while the author has claimed that the controversial content is there because

Quote from: GeoffreyI like the dilemmas it poses. On Carcosa, all too often the price of sorcerous power is the loss of one's own humanity. A sorcerer has to weigh the potential gain in power against the danger to his own life and to his own humanity.

but there is nothing that demonstrates this loss of humanity and only minor danger to the sorcerer's life (the sorcerer ages if a saving throw fails). The loss of humanity is solely role-playing and not coupled with any game mechanics as far as I know.

Now, I think that is significant, because there is no consequence for the loss of humanity the author talks about.

JimLotFP · October 18, 2008, 10:49:47 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;258201Now, I think that is significant, because there is no consequence for the loss of humanity the author talks about.

This is only true if you consider the "role-playing" part of playing a role-playing game to be inconsequential.

jeff37923 · October 18, 2008, 10:59:17 AM

Quote from: JimLotFP;258202This is only true if you consider the "role-playing" part of playing a role-playing game to be inconsequential.

Quote from: Geoffrey;257711In my home campaign some players have played wicked sorcerers. Things work out something like this:

1. The sorcerer starts searching for a way to bind a given Cthulhoid entity. After must effort, the sorcerer will learn what is required:

A. the specific time at which the ritual will work

B. the specific place at which the ritual will work

C. the material components required

D. the type of sacrifice(s) necessary for the ritual to work

Oftentimes, upon learning "D", the player will cease his quest to bind the Cthulhoid entity. Sometimes the wickedness required is too much. The price is too high. Other times, the player will procure all the necessities and perform the ritual. It plays out something like this:

Judge: The specified time for the ritual has arrived.

Player: I do everything required to perform the ritual.

That's it.

Doesn't sound like there was a lot of role-playing consequence.

StormBringer · October 18, 2008, 11:13:18 AM

Quote from: JimLotFP;258202This is only true if you consider the "role-playing" part of playing a role-playing game to be inconsequential.

Role playing the loss of humanity doesn't require a mashup of Saw and Hostel type descriptions for the rituals.

That is just torture porn raised to the sick fuck level.