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Reddit: Racism in D&D

Started by ArrozConLeche, June 09, 2020, 08:50:54 AM

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Chris24601

I'll admit to not being fond of the term Race, but as someone pointed out above, it's solely because it's the wrong word and I'd like it back for it's actual use (ex. The races of Elves, the races of Men) as it's much handier in pre-Modern settings where Nation-States aren't as well defined.

But as has also been pointed out; species is a bit too scientific sounding for most fantasy while the idiocy of "ancestry" and "lineage" is even worse because those are generally even tighter definitions than race is... while at the same time opening up all sorts of weirdness.

Fantasy example; depending on where you start counting, Aragon (human) and Arwen (elf) actually share the same lineage because they share a common ancestor.

And then you get into oddball territory where you're playing a golem or embodied spirit where species still doesn't feel broad enough.

Enough so that there are times I wonder if may "Genus" might be the better term. It's got an older sound to it than species (it dates back to Aristotle using it in his works on biology) and has the meaning of "kind" (ex. Bird, Dog, Fish) while Eidos was used for a specific form (ex. Crows, Rottweilers, Carp).

And even that probably isn't enough really... Embodied spirits probably count as a completely separate domain of life forms and golems may not even qualify as life at all.

SavageSchemer

I'm actually very encouraged by the various responses that amount to, "this dude is full of shit".

Had he posted on /r/rpg he'd have had the woke crowd congratulating him on his newfound enlightenment and thanking him for his public penance.
The more clichéd my group plays their characters, the better. I don't want Deep Drama™ and Real Acting™ in the precious few hours away from my family and job. I want cheap thrills, constant action, involved-but-not-super-complex plots, and cheesy but lovable characters.
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oggsmash

What is a "quasi white supremacist"?  I always thought of that as an all in or all out.

MonsterSlayer

"Because of current events, the topic of racism is all I have been thinks my about lately."

See there was the problem, right there. If you are not thinking about a nice piece of ass of whatever persuasion you prefer every few minutes, life gets too complicated.

Even a piece of make believe ass. World needs to let it go Snow Queen style.

SavageSchemer

Totally checks out. I am Savage, and I approve of this message.
The more clichéd my group plays their characters, the better. I don't want Deep Drama™ and Real Acting™ in the precious few hours away from my family and job. I want cheap thrills, constant action, involved-but-not-super-complex plots, and cheesy but lovable characters.
From "Play worlds, not rules"

FelixGamingX1

Reddit is muff cabbage!
RPGnet? Bizarre.
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The Exploited.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1133345Reddit is muff cabbage!
RPGnet? Bizarre.

So what are the dreaded chumps and chumpettes bleating on about over on the putrid purple? I've been banned so I can't see. :)
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FelixGamingX1

Quote from: The Exploited.;1133348So what are the dreaded chumps and chumpettes bleating on about over on the putrid purple? I've been banned so I can't see. :)

Mee too!
Sucks they don't realize they're the problem.
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Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1133357Mee too!
Sucks they don't realize they're the problem.

Aye mate, one big kum bah yah echo chamber.
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Innocent Smith

Quote from: Simlasa;1133274It has always bugged me a little, just for being the wrong word for what it described. But 'species' doesn't feel right for most fantasy games either, too modern scientific.
'people' or 'faction' sit a bit better with me.

Species was used to mean "type" or "kind" before it was used as a "scientific" word, and it came into use in that sense around the time period that D&D's technology emulates, maybe a few decades later. It's not really a bad word to use. The biggest reason not to use it is because "race" works just fine.

Melan

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Quote from: oggsmash;1133339What is a "quasi white supremacist"?  I always thought of that as an all in or all out.
I assume it is something like "We don't have anything even marginally damning on the guy in this department... but he might be one!"

It usually goes like this:
1) Batshit insane SJWs hysterically pin labels on people they don't like.
2) Slightly less batshit insane SJWs repeat the accusations.
3) The word spreads until it is something "everyone knows".
4) There is no source to debunk because it is often only a tweet or former tweet. There is no originator to take to task because it is inevitably a shrieking harpy with mental issues, or someone LARPing as a catgirl. And if you cross-examined them, you would be a monster for atacking people with Muh Trauma.

So, gossiping fishwives.
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S'mon

A quasi-white-supremacist to SJWs is someone who thinks (a) anyone of any race can be part of Western civilisation and (b) Western civilisation is a good, possibly best, civilisation.

They define (a), ie the lack of racism, as racist. (b) is Western supremacist. Hence quasi-white Supremacist.

jeff37923

Quote from: Melan;1133375I assume it is something like "We don't have anything even marginally damning on the guy in this department... but he might be one!"

It usually goes like this:
1) Batshit insane SJWs hysterically pin labels on people they don't like.
2) Slightly less batshit insane SJWs repeat the accusations.
3) The word spreads until it is something "everyone knows".
4) There is no source to debunk because it is often only a tweet or former tweet. There is no originator to take to task because it is inevitably a shrieking harpy with mental issues, or someone LARPing as a catgirl. And if you cross-examined them, you would be a monster for atacking people with Muh Trauma.

So, gossiping fishwives.

"Gossiping fishwives", has a nice Lovecraftian vibe to it.
"Meh."

Spinachcat

Quote from: Brad;1133328Unless you wear a sombrero and pick watermelons, you don't count as a REAL latino!

But 2020 has brought us Chainsaw Mexicans!

Sombreros are cool hats. We gotta get a movement that declares NOT wearing a sombrero is racist.

#SombreroSolidarity


Quote from: RPGPundit;1133320I love how in the RPGnet version of this post they slander me as a "quasi-white supremacist" and in the same page bemoan the fact that "wizards has never hired Latinos" (they misspell it the anglicized "latinx", of course), not recognizing that I was a Latino hire.

Quasi? That means you've been slacking on Twitter.

They're losing faith in your ability to provoke their outrage and demoted you to quasi-status!


Quote from: jeff37923;1133386"Gossiping fishwives", has a nice Lovecraftian vibe to it.

Even the Deep Ones have Karens!!!

ArrozConLeche

Quote from: RPGPundit;1133320I love how in the RPGnet version of this post they slander me as a "quasi-white supremacist" and in the same page bemoan the fact that "wizards has never hired Latinos" (they misspell it the anglicized "latinx", of course), not recognizing that I was a Latino hire.

I saw the thread and it was one of the mods who is also a staff member.