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Reddit: Racism in D&D

Started by ArrozConLeche, June 09, 2020, 08:50:54 AM

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Lunamancer

#75
June 13, 2020, 11:56:44 PM
A reading of the World of Greyhawk box set is sufficient to prove the article author has the facts completely wrong.
That's my two cents anyway. Carry on, crawler.

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Spinachcat

#76
June 14, 2020, 12:33:38 AM
Quote from: Lunamancer;1134045A reading of the World of Greyhawk box set is sufficient to prove the article author has the facts completely wrong.

But an emotional reaction to remembering the World of Greyhawk set is sufficient for the article author's feelings!

And in 2020, Feelings > Facts and debating that is.....waaaaycist!!!

Omega

#77
June 14, 2020, 05:52:50 AM
Quote from: Lunamancer;1134045A reading of the World of Greyhawk box set is sufficient to prove the article author has the facts completely wrong.

Ohhhh youd like to think that. But people have argued even here that it just aint so and they dont count as "POC".

jhkim

#78
June 14, 2020, 11:34:42 AM
Quote from: Lunamancer;1134045A reading of the World of Greyhawk box set is sufficient to prove the article author has the facts completely wrong.

The article from the OP is pretty short and doesn't attempt to make much of a case. From comments, it also sounds like they've backed off some. The top comment (sorted by "Best") in my view was this:

QuoteI am a high school teacher, a DM for students and friends, as well as a black man in America. My students are all black Americans. I tend to create and utilize black characters more than a little bit for D&D but have been quite happy with the amount of characters of color and racial origins that allow my students to see characters and NPCs in official books and art of color. When we ran Waterdeep the students fell in love with Vajra Safahr, and she turned into a major character that I used in place of many others to kind of give them a relatable character who guided them as needed.

I tend to use all races to represent the world as a whole, as for them (students) it is less about race and more about representation which, often becomes a confused issue by many White Americans (can't speak for those outside of the US).

I find most things in D&D have been (at least in 3e/5e as well as from the games I've played and grew up with) have represented "blackness" in one way or the other, and that also allowed me to keep cultural/representative interest as I'm now 37 and have been playing for almost 20 years now.

Surprisingly, it is not actually an issue I have ever discussed or heard discussed within my "blerd" community as the game allows you to dream up your own characters and worlds and sure enough our worlds are always representative of all races and backgrounds (we don't focus on race much in a room together heh, I'm sure you don't much either).

I can't imagine racism or issues spawning from it involved in D&D but again, I have never played D&D with a non-PoC, it is interesting to imagine what those worlds look like but I still imagine it has a good deal to do with representation. Interesting topic of conversation though kudos to you for bringing it up.

I always felt like D&D was free from those real world issues, I've never not been a black man, unless it was the time I was a Half-Orc Barb or Kenku Bard heh. A safe haven where it was a reminder of reality.

And the article author responded:
QuoteThanks for the comment. I'm happy to hear your perspective. I'm not a POC and I don't pretend to know what might feel discriminating to you or not. I'm just hoping to open up the topic and increase self-reflection and empathy.

Is "blerd" a thing? That's awesome.

Brad

#79
June 14, 2020, 04:39:51 PM
Quote from: jhkim;1134093The article from the OP is pretty short and doesn't attempt to make much of a case. From comments, it also sounds like they've backed off some. The top comment (sorted by "Best") in my view was this:



And the article author responded:

That poster sounds pretty racist to me...ONLY plays with blacks?
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

S'mon

#80
June 14, 2020, 05:57:59 PM
Quote from: Brad;1134120That poster sounds pretty racist to me...ONLY plays with blacks?

It's the USA. Most people only know people of the same race! :p

Spinachcat

#81
June 14, 2020, 08:23:23 PM
Quote from: Brad;1134120That poster sounds pretty racist to me...ONLY plays with blacks?

He has no choice Brad! Even LeBron "King" James gets hunted whenever he leaves his house! Hunted Brad!!! Hunted!!!

You gotta feel bad for non-whites in America, they are trapped here and can never emigrate to where they would be safe and happy.

Shasarak

#82
June 14, 2020, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1134142He has no choice Brad! Even LeBron "King" James gets hunted whenever he leaves his house! Hunted Brad!!! Hunted!!!

You gotta feel bad for non-whites in America, they are trapped here and can never emigrate to where they would be safe and happy.

I was listening to Dave Chappelle and he said that racism is so bad that he is down to his last $50 million.
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Brad

#83
June 14, 2020, 08:51:58 PM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1134142He has no choice Brad! Even LeBron "King" James gets hunted whenever he leaves his house! Hunted Brad!!! Hunted!!!

You gotta feel bad for non-whites in America, they are trapped here and can never emigrate to where they would be safe and happy.

The only thing LeBron is being hunted down for is his autograph...
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Tom Kalbfus

#84
June 16, 2020, 11:23:37 PM
One thing my D&D campaign isn't is woke, for me D&D is an escape, I don't want to talk about racial diversity in my campaign or representation of various minority groups. To me racial diversity in D&D is about the same as it was in Medeaval Europe among the humans, if you want to see blacks in a D&D campaign, you have to travel south into the tropics, if you want to see an Asian, you have to go east.

FelixGamingX1

#85
June 16, 2020, 11:33:09 PM
Quote from: Tom Kalbfus;1134540One thing my D&D campaign isn't is woke, for me D&D is an escape, I don't want to talk about racial diversity in my campaign or representation of various minority groups. To me racial diversity in D&D is about the same as it was in Medeaval Europe among the humans, if you want to see blacks in a D&D campaign, you have to travel south into the tropics, if you want to see an Asian, you have to go east.

Just curious, why are blacks south? My blacks are mixed among the general population in the Western Hemisphere. Although no player ever had a black hero the choice can be made without significantly impacting the campaign. My Humans are more hostile towards Orcs in the Eastern Hemisphere. There's no color biases among Humans in my games.
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Omega

#86
June 17, 2020, 02:43:09 AM
At a guess. South to the equator. The tropic zone.

In one of my campaigns you would have to travel north as the campaign is set in the southern hemisphere and it gets colder the further south you go.

Kyle Aaron

#87
June 17, 2020, 03:40:10 AM
Quote from: tenbones;1133615I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about my appearance (which is a genetic monstrosity),
I'd always just assumed you looked like Laurence Fishburne in the Matrix, since that's basically your avatar.

You know, before he got fat.
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Altheus

#88
June 17, 2020, 05:16:38 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1134542Just curious, why are blacks south? My blacks are mixed among the general population in the Western Hemisphere. Although no player ever had a black hero the choice can be made without significantly impacting the campaign. My Humans are more hostile towards Orcs in the Eastern Hemisphere. There's no color biases among Humans in my games.

Where black and white get on just fine and gang up on green?

GeekyBugle

#89
June 17, 2020, 09:03:37 AM
Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1134542Just curious, why are blacks south? My blacks are mixed among the general population in the Western Hemisphere. Although no player ever had a black hero the choice can be made without significantly impacting the campaign. My Humans are more hostile towards Orcs in the Eastern Hemisphere. There's no color biases among Humans in my games.

Just guessing here but...

Climate, amount of sun exposure, in short evolution. Which is why Drow (If living since millennia in caves) should be white as paper.
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