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There is ZERO correlation between Orcs (unreal monsters) with Black people (real not monsters) except in the minds of freak ass nutjob racists, aka white leftists.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1134601Climate, amount of sun exposure, in short evolution. Which is why Drow (If living since millennia in caves) should be white as paper.

Evolution in D&D?  That's blasphemy.  Nothing evolves in D&D, it's all been created by gods.

Quote from: DocJones;1135238Evolution in D&D?  That's blasphemy.  Nothing evolves in D&D, it's all been created by gods.

Or wizards who think they are gods......

Or psionicists who think they are gods......

Quote from: DocJones;1135238Evolution in D&D?  That's blasphemy.  Nothing evolves in D&D, it's all been created by gods.

So, gods created, how does that cancel evolution? Reproduction with differences is still a thing as long as it's sexual reproduction and not cloning. And, if evolution not real in your setting, why do humans have different skin tones? different nose shapes, etc? Are there any polka dot green on hot pink humans? Why not? Or any other color.

Why, if evolution not real, do different plants grow on different climates, soils, altitudes, etc?

Even if gods created, evolution would still take place after the fact.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135251So, gods created, how does that cancel evolution? Reproduction with differences is still a thing as long as it's sexual reproduction and not cloning. And, if evolution not real in your setting, why do humans have different skin tones? different nose shapes, etc? Are there any polka dot green on hot pink humans? Why not? Or any other color.

Why, if evolution not real, do different plants grow on different climates, soils, altitudes, etc?

Even if gods created, evolution would still take place after the fact.

See: Every answer from mythology before Origin of Species.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1135252See: Every answer from mythology before Origin of Species.

If you mean that in world, everybody thinks things are the way they are because gods, then I agree, but I'm talking from a meta POV.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135297If you mean that in world, everybody thinks things are the way they are because gods, then I agree, but I'm talking from a meta POV.

Evolution is just the god of fate meddling. On top of that with the influence of stuff like mana on metamorphosis (god of magic), or goes of chaos. Or god of perfection.

Depends on the activeness of the gods in the setting I suppose.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1135252See: Every answer from mythology before Origin of Species.

If your argument is that a concrete theory of evolution didn't emerge until 1860 so "God did it" was the only answer to every scientific question prior to that, then my counterpoint would be Deism / divine clockmaker theory.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135297If you mean that in world, everybody thinks things are the way they are because gods, then I agree, but I'm talking from a meta POV.

So am I. From a meta POV, if the setting's gods created everything, with mythological touches, like Aule making dwarves from stone, then real world rules about DNA and adaptation through natural selection don't necessarily apply.

Given one of the co founders of BLM is now on video admitting outright she is a trained marxist, I am certain she has more than a few others who are the same driving this bullshit.  The entire first goal for marxism is to infiltrate and then destroy existing institutions, so they may be made back in the proper image.   So I think what we all think we know is happening, is happening.  

    I hope their sales fall off a cliff for 6th edition.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1135325So am I. From a meta POV, if the setting's gods created everything, with mythological touches, like Aule making dwarves from stone, then real world rules about DNA and adaptation through natural selection don't necessarily apply.

Mythology isn't bad science, its a way of storing historical events and learned wisdom.

For example, "God is that which nothing more than can be thought" + "Man is made in the image of God" does NOT mean "Man was created by God because we're too stoopid to figure out evolution", it means that the value of human life cannot be quantified, i.e. human life has value simply because it exists. In other words it is mythological formulation of the idea of human rights. By saying that God (mythological formulation of human rights) created everything, one is saying that we assume that human rights are axiomatic (because our subjective reality is predicated on it) and do not have to be proven.

In short, the practice of religion allows humans to apply learned wisdom without having to consciously understand it. Obviously this has nothing to do with evolution, which is immaterial in terms of the decisions we have to make when it comes to dealing with each other. "Should I commit murder or should I not commit murder?" Whether we believe the Earth is flat or round is ultimately irrelevant.

This becomes problematic for fantasy writers (including Tolkien) and DMs who create fantasy religions, because since the individuals have less lived experienced than whole cultures that have existed for many generations, their religions are often nonsensical to the extent that they stray from reality and are simply a reflection of their own myopic and individually subjective view of reality.

Ideally each culture should have its own subjective mythology, which they use to guide them in the world, and each mythology should be disjoint from the game world's objective science.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1135325So am I. From a meta POV, if the setting's gods created everything, with mythological touches, like Aule making dwarves from stone, then real world rules about DNA and adaptation through natural selection don't necessarily apply.

So Aule keeps making new Dwarves? or how do they reproduce? Evolution doesn't care about the origin of life, evolution explains how one life form changes overtime into something totally different.

TLDR: Evolution doesn't start until there's life.

Quote from: oggsmash;1135336Given one of the co founders of BLM is now on video admitting outright she is a trained marxist, I am certain she has more than a few others who are the same driving this bullshit.  The entire first goal for marxism is to infiltrate and then destroy existing institutions, so they may be made back in the proper image.   So I think what we all think we know is happening, is happening.  

    I hope their sales fall off a cliff for 6th edition.

If that is the objective and concern, do the same in reverse! Just like TBP was all atwitter until people were ready to throw their precious WW/WoD/CoD onto the same purity pyre, you do the same with their ideology. Infiltrate Marxism and show how it is a capitalist heirarchy based on "party points." Fire with fire, hold each precious hostage until everything burns down.

I advise because I love you all. Kumbaya.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1135348So Aule keeps making new Dwarves? or how do they reproduce? Evolution doesn't care about the origin of life, evolution explains how one life form changes overtime into something totally different.

TLDR: Evolution doesn't start until there's life.

Evolution in Middle Earth doesn't necessarily work the same was as it does in the real world.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1135394Evolution in Middle Earth doesn't necessarily work the same was as it does in the real world.

Evolution in Middle Earth doesn't necessarily work in a different way than it does in the real world.