Reddit OSR community is full of bots?

[migo]

But since the creator did it himself, I'm not even sure that counts.

He didn't, he just gave the project his blessing. The guy who made it is Mark Krawec.

Well, then I'm an idiot.

We know.

[Brad]

OSR isn't just D&D...it seems to have morphed into that because there is just a massive glut of hackey garbage that essentially is D&D with a couple house rules. Tons of it. It's about an old school mentality, not a specific set of rules...Cepheus Engine is definitely OSR, for instance. That said, I agree with the ZeRFS thing about it not being a good game. I did NOT like that TSR Conan game at all; I greatly preferred the GURPS solo adventures by far and think it did a much better job.

[GeekyBugle]

But since the creator did it himself, I'm not even sure that counts.

He didn't, he just gave the project his blessing. The guy who made it is Mark Krawec.

Well, then I'm an idiot.

We know.

Fuck you too.

I'm not the one expanding definitions to include things that aren't it.

[GeekyBugle]

OSR isn't just D&D...it seems to have morphed into that because there is just a massive glut of hackey garbage that essentially is D&D with a couple house rules. Tons of it. It's about an old school mentality, not a specific set of rules...Cepheus Engine is definitely OSR, for instance. That said, I agree with the ZeRFS thing about it not being a good game. I did NOT like that TSR Conan game at all; I greatly preferred the GURPS solo adventures by far and think it did a much better job.

Yeah, no, you're wrong and I don't have the time, patience or crayons to explain to you and Migo just how wrong you are.

[migo]

OSR isn't just D&D...it seems to have morphed into that because there is just a massive glut of hackey garbage that essentially is D&D with a couple house rules. Tons of it. It's about an old school mentality, not a specific set of rules...Cepheus Engine is definitely OSR, for instance. That said, I agree with the ZeRFS thing about it not being a good game. I did NOT like that TSR Conan game at all; I greatly preferred the GURPS solo adventures by far and think it did a much better job.

Yeah, no, you're wrong and I don't have the time, patience or crayons to explain to you and Migo just how wrong you are.

Most importantly, you don't have the intelligence.

[Brad]

Yeah, no, you're wrong and I don't have the time, patience or crayons to explain to you and Migo just how wrong you are.

Excellent evidence and an articulate argument. Certainly convinced me!

[LunaRivera]

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[Opaopajr]

  We've discussed here on this site ages ago that old school renaissance (osr) is definitely encompassing the wide range of first generation RPGs (roughly mid-70s to mid-80s). However we also lamented that in outward market perception only D&D is comprising this space, with other voices being silent to all our detriment. And thus over time new people will not understand the breadth of the term, seeing all they know is their perception of the market from their slice of time, and become needlessly hostile and tribalist against accepted history from those who were there. In fact, as a point of disambiguation we tried capitalized "OSR" for market perception and lower-case "osr" for cultural retro reflection (a larger movement in system breadth and archival effort)... which only lasted for a few months before people got lazy and gave up creating separate jargon here.

It is an age old dilemma about the transmission of data and the necessary openness one needs to trace threads & patterns backwards without getting defensive and insular. So congratulations GeekyBugle, you've proven the foretold prophecy!  You are the result we warned about!  We have failed you in our upbringing and now leave you distraght. But take heart, you are learning about this now and can change -- you can expand your heart three-times its size, just like the "Grinch Who Stole Christmas"!

Also I have spare crayons if you need them.

[Myrdin Potter]

Runequest 2e is available on DTRPG. Definitely "OSR" unless it must be a D&D clone is the sole definition (which I think is BS).

Older editions of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying are also easily found on DTRPG.

[Dropbear]

Moving away from the ongoing argument about what's OSR and what isn't, I'd like to offer an alternative product mention that I haven't seen yet (unless I missed it somewhere here). It's likely many here consider them OSR anyway, but I think of them as their own thing and I'm not interested in playing the taxonomy game.

Fantasy: https://sine-nomine-publishing.myshopify.com/collections/worlds-without-number

Sci-Fi: https://sine-nomine-publishing.myshopify.com/collections/stars-without-number

Cyberpunk: https://sine-nomine-publishing.myshopify.com/products/cities-without-number-offset-print-edition

Three great games. Compatible with each other. Free versions on DTRPG.

[Dropbear]

OSR isn't just D&D...it seems to have morphed into that because there is just a massive glut of hackey garbage that essentially is D&D with a couple house rules. Tons of it. It's about an old school mentality, not a specific set of rules...Cepheus Engine is definitely OSR, for instance. That said, I agree with the ZeRFS thing about it not being a good game. I did NOT like that TSR Conan game at all; I greatly preferred the GURPS solo adventures by far and think it did a much better job.

I don't like ZeRFS either, because I've never been a fan of the color coded tables for it and Star Frontiers and others. Bleargh.

[Dropbear]

Another game, with the rather quaint little nickname of "The Rasputin of RPGs", I would highly recommend is Talislanta.

All previous editions save the most recent that was funded on Gamefound and has yet to be released are free to download. http://talislanta.com/

I prefer a mix of 1&2E, myself. 3E is okay too. The magic system in 4E is the convoluted lovechild of a longtime fan of the game and is kind of neat and yet kind of a headache to deal with as well: all spells are designed by the spell-caster's player using the mode system. 5E is more of the same, but with a character design system that can supplant the archetype system if you want it to.

The sixth edition is going back to archetypes again, and for a very short period was going to be based off of 5E. Thankfully more fans of the game spoke up and asked for it not to be than spoke out in favor of it, so there's going to be a conversion book for 5E and the game will use its original Action Table system instead.

Anyway, hope you have a look and enjoy.

[DocJones]

When I asked a game for a beginner, because I never played an RPG, people recommend OSE.

If you've never played an RPG, I would recommend Tunnels & Trolls.
1) The game is simple.
2) Almost all the adventure modules are solo adventures.

Even better join a game run by an experienced and patient gamemaster.
A Savage Worlds game is one of the easier ones for someone new to pick up.

[GeekyBugle]

We've discussed here on this site ages ago that old school renaissance (osr) is definitely encompassing the wide range of first generation RPGs (roughly mid-70s to mid-80s). However we also lamented that in outward market perception only D&D is comprising this space, with other voices being silent to all our detriment. And thus over time new people will not understand the breadth of the term, seeing all they know is their perception of the market from their slice of time, and become needlessly hostile and tribalist against accepted history from those who were there. In fact, as a point of disambiguation we tried capitalized "OSR" for market perception and lower-case "osr" for cultural retro reflection (a larger movement in system breadth and archival effort)... which only lasted for a few months before people got lazy and gave up creating separate jargon here.

It is an age old dilemma about the transmission of data and the necessary openness one needs to trace threads & patterns backwards without getting defensive and insular. So congratulations GeekyBugle, you've proven the foretold prophecy!  You are the result we warned about!  We have failed you in our upbringing and now leave you distraght. But take heart, you are learning about this now and can change -- you can expand your heart three-times its size, just like the "Grinch Who Stole Christmas"!

Also I have spare crayons if you need them.

"When everyone's Super...
No one will be!"

Congratulations you included stuff to the point where you can't use the term in any useful way.

[Baron]

I'm not sure how this relates to Reddit or bots, but it's been a long time since I first followed this thread, so I guess I'll pipe up.

I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that folks would argue about what we mean when we use the term OSR.

"Old School" is a pretty generic term. I think most folks can agree with the number one Merriam-Webster definition: adhering to traditional policies or practices. I think as gamers we can agree that we mean something along the lines of "how things were back in the early days of our hobby."

Isn't that enough?

Does that somehow not use the term in any useful way?

Because other groups can manage to use the term "Old School" to refer to their own interests.