Reddit OSR community is full of bots?

[Cathal]

EDIT2: Saw this statement, "What old/modern no-dnd games do you recommend?"
Are you talking about non-fantasy games specifically? If so, I'd have to say just play Classic Traveller for scifi: https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/355200/Classic-Traveller-Facsimile-Edition
For other playstyles, there are a bunch of S&W White box-derived games like White Lies and Operation White Box. Not a fan of White Star when Traveller exists and is only a couple bucks.

Hey Brad. Thanks.. oh! RPGs That Aren't D&D. NON-D&D RPGs.  Your reply is good! 

Can be any recommendation. It would be great to discover other RPGs instead of the typical zealots that only mention OSE.

EDIT: Dark horse candidate: Fantastic Heroes and Witchery. Probably the best original (in the truest sense of the word) OSR game out there. And free! I would also consider Pundit's Lion & Dragon if you want a medieval flavor, although most people typically are looking for high fantasy or swords and sorcery, not historical games.
http://www.dcrouzet.net/heroes-witchery/?page_id=83

Nice! Thanks man! Never hear of this game before.

[Eric Diaz]

The presentation of BFRPG is not great, but I've run some adventures (especially Blackapple) and it's been fun.

The actual rules are a small improvement over B/X, IMO.

I mentioned it because the OP said something about price and BFRPG is hard to beat. I do not think "you get what you pay for" is a fair assessment of the adventures, for example, even tough they are very vanilla - but I do prefer DCC ones.

But my favorite rules (other than my own) for Basic clones is probably LotFP.

Also, FH&W is a thing of beauty. Complete, streamlined, gonzo, all at the same time.

FWIW, here is my comparison of basic clones:

https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2023/01/a-glance-at-basic-d-bx-and-some-clones.html

[Slambo]

BFRPG is indeed the cheapest, but its production values are so low and the writing so bad that they should probably pay you to suffer through it.  But hey, it exists.

I think when someone said "You get what you pay for" they were looking at BFRPG.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way...I actually bought all the printed stuff off Amazon but ended up giving it away because I did not care for it whatsoever. Barring the writing, I just think as presented it falls flat as a D&D-style game.

Why is it that you think it falls flat? Im just curious, ive never actually read the game myself but opions seem split between best thing ever and absolute trash when people bring it up.

[Brad]

Why is it that you think it falls flat? Im just curious, ive never actually read the game myself but opions seem split between best thing ever and absolute trash when people bring it up.

I think it tries to solve too many of the perceived problems inherent in B/X, while not actually fixing anything. I don't particularly care for the design choices such as divorcing race-from-class but providing a watered-down version of AD&D races instead, along with only four classes. Blueholme Journeyman does this, but more much effectively. It's hard to pinpoint any particular thing that is a blatant game breaker, just a lot of minor annoyances that add up to something unappealing to me. If D&D is a pizza, B/X is pepperoni, BECMI is Italian sausage, AD&D is meat lovers with peppers, Holmes is probably cheese, and Basic Fantasy is Hawaiian with some weird white sauce and a cauliflower crust. Like pick ONE thing to "fix", not a bunch of them and make questionable choices.

Also, the adventures are serviceable but written by people who have good intentions but are not professionals. Nothing wrong with that, but there aren't any Keep on the Borderlands, more like stuff anyone on this board could whip up in a couple hours.

[GhostNinja]

Glad I'm not the only one who feels this way...I actually bought all the printed stuff off Amazon but ended up giving it away because I did not care for it whatsoever. Barring the writing, I just think as presented it falls flat as a D&D-style game.

Played it with someone who is a good DM and it just didnt do it for me.  It was way too bare bones for me, the writing wasn't great and it just didnt impress me.

The DM gave us .pdfs of the core book and he actually had a print copy of the rules and I looked over it.  Production value seemed very poor.

[Persimmon]

Why is it that you think it falls flat? Im just curious, ive never actually read the game myself but opions seem split between best thing ever and absolute trash when people bring it up.

I think it tries to solve too many of the perceived problems inherent in B/X, while not actually fixing anything. I don't particularly care for the design choices such as divorcing race-from-class but providing a watered-down version of AD&D races instead, along with only four classes. Blueholme Journeyman does this, but more much effectively. It's hard to pinpoint any particular thing that is a blatant game breaker, just a lot of minor annoyances that add up to something unappealing to me. If D&D is a pizza, B/X is pepperoni, BECMI is Italian sausage, AD&D is meat lovers with peppers, Holmes is probably cheese, and Basic Fantasy is Hawaiian with some weird white sauce and a cauliflower crust. Like pick ONE thing to "fix", not a bunch of them and make questionable choices.

Also, the adventures are serviceable but written by people who have good intentions but are not professionals. Nothing wrong with that, but there aren't any Keep on the Borderlands, more like stuff anyone on this board could whip up in a couple hours.

Good summary.  As I noted, the production values are terrible.  As for the adventures, they truly feel like they were written by 13 year olds.  The higher level ones in particular are total Monty Haul style.  Now that can be fun for a few sessions, but as an overall system I find it completely bland and soulless.

[Slambo]

Why is it that you think it falls flat? Im just curious, ive never actually read the game myself but opions seem split between best thing ever and absolute trash when people bring it up.

I think it tries to solve too many of the perceived problems inherent in B/X, while not actually fixing anything. I don't particularly care for the design choices such as divorcing race-from-class but providing a watered-down version of AD&D races instead, along with only four classes. Blueholme Journeyman does this, but more much effectively. It's hard to pinpoint any particular thing that is a blatant game breaker, just a lot of minor annoyances that add up to something unappealing to me. If D&D is a pizza, B/X is pepperoni, BECMI is Italian sausage, AD&D is meat lovers with peppers, Holmes is probably cheese, and Basic Fantasy is Hawaiian with some weird white sauce and a cauliflower crust. Like pick ONE thing to "fix", not a bunch of them and make questionable choices.

Also, the adventures are serviceable but written by people who have good intentions but are not professionals. Nothing wrong with that, but there aren't any Keep on the Borderlands, more like stuff anyone on this board could whip up in a couple hours.

Thank you, i should probably just read it for myself one day, but nothing really caught my eye when i skimmed through it.

[migo]

OSR that isn't D&D based isn't possible.

It is. ZeFRS is probably the best example.

[cavalier973]

OSR that isn't D&D based isn't possible.

It is. ZeFRS is probably the best example.

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Zealots entering Fantasy Realms Stealthily

[migo]

Zeb's Fantasy Roleplaying System for those who aren't familiar with it.

https://sites.google.com/site/zefrsrpg/

[cavalier973]

Zeb's Fantasy Roleplaying System for those who aren't familiar with it.

https://sites.google.com/site/zefrsrpg/

That was going to be my next guess.

I'll check it out. Thnx!

[GeekyBugle]

OSR that isn't D&D based isn't possible.

It is. ZeFRS is probably the best example.

And if you don't accept the broadening of the definition until it includes EVERYTHING that ISN'T part of the thing then you're a bigot.

Suggestion for Mattt Walsh's next documentary: What is the OSR?

[migo]

OSR that isn't D&D based isn't possible.

It is. ZeFRS is probably the best example.

And if you don't accept the broadening of the definition until it includes EVERYTHING that ISN'T part of the thing then you're a bigot.

Suggestion for Mattt Walsh's next documentary: What is the OSR?

No, but if you think ZeFRS isn't OSR you're simply an idiot.

It's based on an out of print system that isn't coming back, so the only way to get access to it and play it is through a retroclone. It's exactly what the OSR was about. OSRIC was intended to be a system people could write AD&D 1e adventures for, saying they're OSRIC compatible, to continue providing support for AD&D 1e, and also for people who couldn't get original AD&D 1e rulebooks to be able to play AD&D 1e. That's what ZeFRS does for TSR Conan. It lets people play Conan with the original rules. TSR Conan is old school. ZeFRS revives it. It's OSR literally in the definition, and OSR in the spirit of the earliest games released in the OSR.

[GeekyBugle]

OSR that isn't D&D based isn't possible.

It is. ZeFRS is probably the best example.

And if you don't accept the broadening of the definition until it includes EVERYTHING that ISN'T part of the thing then you're a bigot.

Suggestion for Mattt Walsh's next documentary: What is the OSR?

No, but if you think ZeFRS isn't OSR you're simply an idiot.

It's based on an out of print system that isn't coming back, so the only way to get access to it and play it is through a retroclone. It's exactly what the OSR was about. OSRIC was intended to be a system people could write AD&D 1e adventures for, saying they're OSRIC compatible, to continue providing support for AD&D 1e, and also for people who couldn't get original AD&D 1e rulebooks to be able to play AD&D 1e. That's what ZeFRS does for TSR Conan. It lets people play Conan with the original rules. TSR Conan is old school. ZeFRS revives it. It's OSR literally in the definition, and OSR in the spirit of the earliest games released in the OSR.

Well, then I'm an idiot.

OSR = old edition D&D mechanics up to AD&D 1e/2e 1980s-ish

When you expand the definition to mean "retroclone of ANY game" it looses it's meaning.

[Persimmon]

Well, beyond quibbling about definitions there's the simple fact that the old Conan game kind of sucks.  Pretty shocked it was even revived because I've never met a person IRL who played more than one session of it.  But since the creator did it himself, I'm not even sure that counts.