Quote from: Lee on September 10, 2022, 05:32:55 PM
I don't know how I missed it until now, but I recently discovered Beyond the Wall (and Other Adventures) and I am incredibly impressed with it. 

They also have Through Sunken Lands and Other Adventures. A sword and sorcery take on Beyond the Wall.

Quote from: Slambo on July 20, 2020, 06:19:52 PM

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Just as, there should also be settings where it's blood, and filth, and the villagers will try to burn you as a witch if they see any hint of magic come from you.

but there's no support for these settings

Because these things are antithetical to modern corporate culture.  Nothing with shareholders is going to produce content like this.  The materials they produce are content not art.

Stick with the small indies if you're not capable of modifying it to match your preferred themes.

My favorite fantasy would be Arduin Grimoire, Cha'alt might be a good modern take on that since they both are heavy into the gonzo.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on September 10, 2022, 03:27:14 PM
Back to the topic, what about RuneQuest,and Tunnels & Trolls?

I´m afraid RuneQuest is woke like a MF, unless you mean the rules only and not Glorantha itself.
Just made my first post about this:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/your-glorantha-will-vary-patriarchal-glorantha/

Anyhow, I would like to mention HârnWorld, it is 99% non-woke. Sure, there are a few female
NPC characters which I have switched to male gender, but that´s about it. I have not seen any LTBTQ
propaganda and other woke garbage in it since late 90´s atleast.

Castles and Crusades; not woke

Does it have to be *fantasy* in the D&D sense, or fantasy in the more general sense?

If the former, I'm going with BECMI, HARP, or Dangerous Journeys. Harnworld, as mentioned above, Is consider almost historical, rather than fantasy, but it's also great. I consider it's mapping style as the gold standard.

If the latter, it's Twilight:2013 (TW:2000 v3) hands down, with Spycraft v1, Gamma World and Star Frontiers tied for 2nd. More close to real world, and I'm going with James Bond.

Quote from: 3catcircus on September 11, 2022, 10:11:10 AM
If the latter, it's Twilight:2013 (TW:2000 v3) hands down, with Spycraft v1, Gamma World and Star Frontiers tied for 2nd. More close to real world, and I'm going with James Bond.

Twilight, I am happy that there are still fans around, soooo fond memories 

Quote from: 1989 on July 15, 2020, 03:22:31 PM

Quote from: S'mon;11399431e AD&D is awesomely non-woke. I find myself making it MORE politically correct - eg my Gnolls have strong confident female leaders.

You know what surprised me recently? The pronouns used in various editions of D&D:

1974 OD&D: He
AD&D 1e: He or she
AD&D 2e: He (the book even provided a justification for why the generic masculine was the only way to write clearly ... surprise!)

Oh? Can you share their description for that justification? That sounds awesome!

As several people mentioned on page one, how about Palladium Fantasy?  I prefer 1st edition for its clarity, something Palladium slowly gets away from as their games kept coming out slightly modified from the previous ones.  1E doesn't have that issue. 

Or if you prefer more traditional, Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool Edition.  It drops the D20, replacing it with a dice chain.  You roll an attribute die + skill dice to beat a target number.  All dice start as 1D4, replaced by the D6 as you get or start with higher stats, on up to max as a D12.   It also fixes a lot of issues I have with D&D.  Hit points only max out about 150% of where they started at, and armor is treated as additional hit points, not higher defense stat target numbers. 

Oh let's also mention Barbarians of Lemuria, wretched bastards, labyrinth lord, Conan, Xoth, stormbringer 1e and runequest 1e, mythras, worlds without number.

Also lion and dragon would be a good candidate to adapt to plenty of settings as well and let's not forget wfrp 2e

Quote from: Ocule on November 16, 2022, 05:14:35 PM
Oh let's also mention Barbarians of Lemuria, wretched bastards, labyrinth lord, Conan, Xoth, stormbringer 1e and runequest 1e, mythras, worlds without number.

Also lion and dragon would be a good candidate to adapt to plenty of settings as well and let's not forget wfrp 2e

Conan is most definitely woke, if you're talking Modiphius.  They have sensitivity disclaimers in every product.  Writers quit due to censorship.  Their discussion boards are like being on "The View," though I don't know if you can put all the blame for that on the company.  I did once have a moderator (since deceased) who restored a comment I made that triggered some snowflake.

Quote from: Persimmon on November 16, 2022, 08:56:31 PM

Quote from: Ocule on November 16, 2022, 05:14:35 PM
Oh let's also mention Barbarians of Lemuria, wretched bastards, labyrinth lord, Conan, Xoth, stormbringer 1e and runequest 1e, mythras, worlds without number.

Also lion and dragon would be a good candidate to adapt to plenty of settings as well and let's not forget wfrp 2e

Conan is most definitely woke, if you're talking Modiphius.  They have sensitivity disclaimers in every product.  Writers quit due to censorship.  Their discussion boards are like being on "The View," though I don't know if you can put all the blame for that on the company.  I did once have a moderator (since deceased) who restored a comment I made that triggered some snowflake.

I think for modiphious 2d20 most of the books came out before all that I don't remember seeing disclaimers or anything in the Conan material. I think Conan the wanderer was the first Time they got censored. I could be wrong though I'd love to see some testimony over it. If not then there's always mongoose or tsr Conan. Modiphous kinda toed that line for me where they were they should've been more risqué but the Picts are still blood thirsty savages, the dark lands is still tribal Africa.

Just saw the usual suspects coming out to have a go at this product (Mythic Polynesia by Design Mechanism). I've been looking forward to it for a while, so bought it quickly in case it gets "cancelled".

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/413791/Mythic-Polynesia?src=hottest_small

Quote from: Ocule on November 16, 2022, 11:37:47 PM

Quote from: Persimmon on November 16, 2022, 08:56:31 PM

Quote from: Ocule on November 16, 2022, 05:14:35 PM
Oh let's also mention Barbarians of Lemuria, wretched bastards, labyrinth lord, Conan, Xoth, stormbringer 1e and runequest 1e, mythras, worlds without number.

Also lion and dragon would be a good candidate to adapt to plenty of settings as well and let's not forget wfrp 2e

Conan is most definitely woke, if you're talking Modiphius.  They have sensitivity disclaimers in every product.  Writers quit due to censorship.  Their discussion boards are like being on "The View," though I don't know if you can put all the blame for that on the company.  I did once have a moderator (since deceased) who restored a comment I made that triggered some snowflake.

I think for modiphious 2d20 most of the books came out before all that I don't remember seeing disclaimers or anything in the Conan material. I think Conan the wanderer was the first Time they got censored. I could be wrong though I'd love to see some testimony over it. If not then there's always mongoose or tsr Conan. Modiphous kinda toed that line for me where they were they should've been more risqué but the Picts are still blood thirsty savages, the dark lands is still tribal Africa.

Agreed.  I can't speak of their forums because I don't go there, but the books are pretty clean of modern day woke shit.  I just flipped through half a dozen of the books looking for something like a sidebar, or a GM note on triggers or sensitive topics and didn't see a single disclaimer.

I know Conan the Wanderer had some edits made and was the first to be hit by the "sensitivity" cult.  I have both versions of the pdf of it, pre and post.  The edits, while I disagree with them, really didn't change anything.  It was effectively 1/2 a page of combined changes to the text.

Quote from: 1989 on July 15, 2020, 03:22:31 PM

Quote from: S'mon;11399431e AD&D is awesomely non-woke. I find myself making it MORE politically correct - eg my Gnolls have strong confident female leaders.

You know what surprised me recently? The pronouns used in various editions of D&D:

1974 OD&D: He
AD&D 1e: He or she
AD&D 2e: He (the book even provided a justification for why the generic masculine was the only way to write clearly ... surprise!)

They should have built on that just to piss people off. Third edition should have joked about it
"we use "he" because this game is not for girls. Any women in the room? Out you go! Shoo!"