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Recommend your favorite not-woke Fantasy RPG!

Started by Spinachcat, July 14, 2020, 06:03:12 PM

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Orphan81

Quote from: S'mon;1140851I don't mind gay characters in fantasy settings. I kinda like it in some settings as a nod to realism. I do object to fantasy settings having universal cultural norms of 2018 Seattle. "52-year-old wheat farmer Thelbin Osstra, his husband Brynn, and Brynn's adopted nephew Broland" in a pseudo-medieval setting just has the Reek of Wrongness.

Not every Fantasy World should be like this, but I expect it of Forgotten Realms. Look at it this way, D&D is now the Disney of RPGs. It went through it's "Attitude era" back in the early 00s with 3rd edition. Now as the face of the Hobby it's conforming to what it believes the mainstream expects of it. I do believe it's going too far, bending over backwards with removing racial bonuses and getting rid of alignement and getting rid of the notion of inherently evil races...

But before all that shit started, I expected the modern day Seattle Forgotten Realms..and that's okay! There *SHOULD* be Fantasy settings that are like that. Because some people DO want to go on Fantasy romps without the baggage associated with the ignorant minded people of the medevil world.

Just as, there should also be settings where it's blood, and filth, and the villagers will try to burn you as a witch if they see any hint of magic come from you. We can have both. Let D&D be the kiddy safe, Media approved souless face of the Industry. It can tank all the bad shit and allow better shit to come up in it's place. It will crash and burn like it did eventually with 2nd edition, and rise like a Phoenix once more and throw off it's shackles... until the next Moral panic comes along.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

Slambo

Quote from: Orphan81;1140870Just as, there should also be settings where it's blood, and filth, and the villagers will try to burn you as a witch if they see any hint of magic come from you.
but there's no support for these settings

HappyDaze

Quote from: Slambo;1140875but there's no support for these settings

WFRP?

Orphan81

Quote from: Slambo;1140875but there's no support for these settings

There's plenty of support for these settings, the entire OSR is practically made up of these settings. You also have Shadow of the Demon Lord, WFRP, Zweihander and others that capture this. If you're expecting official Wizards of the Coast support, then no, but D&D hasn't made a setting like that since... the 80s?
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

tenbones

Blue Rose exists.

Warhammer exists.

We don't need to make Blue Rose look more like Warhammer, and we don't need Warhammer to look more like Blue Rose without losing what makes those settings unique. Feel free to do *anything* you want at your table.

The reality is it has nothing to do with representation - it has to do with forcing other people to accept what other people want in established games at their tables by fiat, with tacit implication if you don't, you'll be ostracized for not feeling obliged to accept these elements (and secretly they believe you do not accept THEM as people).

But they've already laid down their cards. If you don't bend the knee, you're not welcome and they don't want your patronage - and that's just the start, you need to be demonized and shamed for not buying into their issues.

Slambo

Quote from: Orphan81;1140879There's plenty of support for these settings, the entire OSR is practically made up of these settings. You also have Shadow of the Demon Lord, WFRP, Zweihander and others that capture this. If you're expecting official Wizards of the Coast support, then no, but D&D hasn't made a setting like that since... the 80s?

My bad i thought we were talking specifically about DnD.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Orphan81;1140865Yes, Billy, who could very well be Gay... can play a gay character now. This is only a problem if you're a Homophobe. You don't have to agree with the extreme left when it comes to promoting Drag queen kids, or giving hormones to 8 year olds... but accepting gay and transgender people are real and not demonizing them is not an agenda.. It's called being a decent human being.

I'm Mexican, a Maya, male and straight, I have never felt the need to play as a Maya or a Mexican, I have played as women and men, don't ever remember playing as a gay, but then again I play to go adventuring on the game world, not to act out some soap opera.

I'm also on the autistic spectrum and wear glasses since age 15, why would I want to play as an autistic four eyed nerd?

And to top it all... When exactly (and I want the rules that explicitly forbade it) was that Billy couldn't play as a gay if he so choose?

Only way for that to be true would be up to the GM, and Billy could go find a different group.

I was dirt poor and my introduction to RPGs was WEG Star Wars by my very gay (and rich) cousin. I don't ever remember him playing as a gay man, he always choose either the more macho man of macho men or the more feminine woman.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

The Exploited.

I don't really understand the whole and sexuality thing... I mean, I don't really see the relevance of bleating on about it in core rule books. And I don't seem to remember, ever having to let everyone at the table know what my sexuality my character was. Surely that would come out in the game, in downtime if necessary? And I don't ever recall any game saying that you 'couldn't' play a gay character or a trans person. I honestly think that these SJWs make their own mental prisons and bogymen.

Back in the day, it seemed we had a bit more initiative and played the games we wanted to play. Nobody gave a shit about what anyone else thought or said (and I still don't tbh).
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#53
Quote from: Orphan81;1140865Yes, Billy, who could very well be Gay... can play a gay character now.

Now?

SHARK

Greetings!

Of course, anyone that is rational can see that WOTC's policies--as pronounced by Jeremy Crawford--is filled with an agenda. Why does the official Player's Handbook go on to remind everyone that they can be whatever gender they want, or whatever sexuality they want?--they do so because it is an agenda, and a genuflection to the woke, SJW mob.

Everyone has always been free to play whatever kind of character they want. This is something everyone knew when I was 10 years old. We could play humans, elves, dwarves, half orcs, wolf people, and all sorts of mythical races and animal people, whether male or female.

There is no need to have hamfisted "reminders" detailing all the different possible gender and sexuality choices your character can embrace. That is not important to normal gamers wanting to play a normal game of D&D where they explore dungeons and kill orcs.

No, see, the woke SJW mobs aren't interested in that. They want a drama-filled soap-opera game where the game is not centered on heroic fantasy adventure--no, their focus is on exploring their sexual identity, their sexual adventures, and how they deal with oppression in society. Everything revolves around their woke SJW identity, their woke SJW experiences, their woke SJW adventures being alternately oppressed or celebrated in the fictional game world. It's a circus parade of narcissism.

That is how the table is set--and that is how these SJW morons shriek and chant about it online at Twitter and elsewhere. THEIR game revolves around woke, SJW oppression Olympics, and yours must revolve around it as well! That's why SJW BS is choking and gagging through every product WOTC produces.

And some people *wonder* why many other people find such SJW bloviating and agenda-pushing to be annoying, and offensive? And to add insult to injury, if you don't want to be choked and preached at with SJW BS--you must be a bigot and a racist! Of course! Open your mouth, and swallow it all down good!

I note that OSRIC and AD&D don't try and pour this SJW jello down your throat. AD&D and OSRIC are my favourite non-woke fantasy RPG's. That's also because AD&D is actually about gaming--heroic fantasy gaming in particular--and not about sitting around crying about how special your SJW character is, or forcing the whole table to center the game on SJW drama and identity oppression Olympics.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Orphan81

Jesus Christ, Sometimes I wonder if I'd rather be dealing with watching the Big Purple twist themselves into knots over running Superhero games in the current Political Climate... or Deal with a bunch of Grognards who are literally upset it specifically mentions you can be Gay in the Player's Handbook.

God Damn you guys... I prefer the Freedom of Speech here, but you make it hard sometimes.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

Orphan81

#56
Quote from: GeekyBugle;1140884I'm Mexican, a Maya, male and straight, I have never felt the need to play as a Maya or a Mexican, I have played as women and men, don't ever remember playing as a gay, but then again I play to go adventuring on the game world, not to act out some soap opera.

I'm also on the autistic spectrum and wear glasses since age 15, why would I want to play as an autistic four eyed nerd?

And to top it all... When exactly (and I want the rules that explicitly forbade it) was that Billy couldn't play as a gay if he so choose?

Only way for that to be true would be up to the GM, and Billy could go find a different group.

I was dirt poor and my introduction to RPGs was WEG Star Wars by my very gay (and rich) cousin. I don't ever remember him playing as a gay man, he always choose either the more macho man of macho men or the more feminine woman.

I'm a mostly straight white male. The very few times I RP as opposed to Running, I tend to play mostly straight white males. It's not the point of saying Billy is Gay so you can be Gay now, so much as making Gay Billy feel welcome by saying, "Hey, if you're Gay that's cool, we accept Gay people.."

And if this thread has taught me anything, it's that some people in this very Thread DON'T accept gay people. So I'm very glad that sidebar is there now.

Edit: And as for not playing a Soap Opera, some of us love to have Soap Operas in our Adventures.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Orphan81;1140906I'm a mostly straight white male. The very few times I RP as opposed to Running, I tend to play mostly straight white males. It's not the point of saying Billy is Gay so you can be Gay now, so much as making Gay Billy feel welcome by saying, "Hey, if you're Gay that's cool, we accept Gay people.."

And if this thread has taught me anything, it's that some people in this very Thread DON'T accept gay people. So I'm very glad that sidebar is there now.

Edit: And as for not playing a Soap Opera, some of us love to have Soap Operas in our Adventures.

Nice goalpost moving there champ, so now it's not that Billy can NOW play a gay character if he wishes but to make him feel welcome...

Next is you conflating a part with the whole, nice try but no dice, you're talking with me not "some people".

Sure, I bet you could always find someone like that if you searched hard enough, and in an internet Forum where you're anonymous and has free speech? A little bit easier. But here's the thing, now you're claiming there was ever a time where Billy wouldn't be welcome in the hobby, just as false as your previous claim about him NOW being able to play as a gay man.

Enjoy your soap opera then, just don't push to make all the games soap opera by design. Or to ban from the hobby those of us who don't want or like that.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Orphan81;1140905Jesus Christ, Sometimes I wonder if I'd rather be dealing with watching the Big Purple twist themselves into knots over running Superhero games in the current Political Climate... or Deal with a bunch of Grognards who are literally upset it specifically mentions you can be Gay in the Player's Handbook.

God Damn you guys... I prefer the Freedom of Speech here, but you make it hard sometimes.

If you as much as wish people weren't able to express those opinions you don't agree with...

You're not for Free Speech.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Orphan81

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1140907Nice goalpost moving there champ, so now it's not that Billy can NOW play a gay character if he wishes but to make him feel welcome...

Next is you conflating a part with the whole, nice try but no dice, you're talking with me not "some people".

Sure, I bet you could always find someone like that if you searched hard enough, and in an internet Forum where you're anonymous and has free speech? A little bit easier. But here's the thing, now you're claiming there was ever a time where Billy wouldn't be welcome in the hobby, just as false as your previous claim about him NOW being able to play as a gay man.

Enjoy your soap opera then, just don't push to make all the games soap opera by design. Or to ban from the hobby those of us who don't want or like that.

It's not a Goal Post move it's a better clarifying of my position. As for not being welcome in the hobby, you literally have a fucking dude here who says He's against "The Homosexual Agenda" and doesn't support "Sodomists". Gay people are literally NOT welcome at his table. So maybe stop trying to focus so much on "Winning" this argument and take a moment to go... Gee, maybe the fact we literally have people who won't let gays at their table means we DO NEED the world's most popular RPG to openly say they support Gays, to make them feel more welcome in the Hobby..

Or you know, we can let Forum user "1989" be the Hobby ambassador and see all the good will he pulls us in.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.