Quote from: Orphan81;1140906And if this thread has taught me anything, it's that some people in this very Thread DON'T accept gay people. So I'm very glad that sidebar is there now.

Being Gay is pretty far down the check list of things I judge people about before they can play in my game.

To paraphrase Kyle, you are much more likely to be judged on if you bring snacks or not.  Saying that, turning up in ass-less chaps would be a good way of being booted toot sweet.

Quote from: Shasarak;1140911Being Gay is pretty far down the check list of things I judge people about before they can play in my game.

To paraphrase Kyle, you are much more likely to be judged on if you bring snacks or not.  Saying that, turning up in ass-less chaps would be a good way of being booted toot sweet.

I know there's peeps here who have no problem with Gay folks... but then we have some in this thread who blatantly said they don't support them.. and others who act like a paragraph in the player's handbook is an assault on their very heterosexuality.

Quote from: Orphan81;1140909It's not a Goal Post move it's a better clarifying of my position. As for not being welcome in the hobby, you literally have a fucking dude here who says He's against "The Homosexual Agenda" and doesn't support "Sodomists". Gay people are literally NOT welcome at his table. So maybe stop trying to focus so much on "Winning" this argument and take a moment to go... Gee, maybe the fact we literally have people who won't let gays at their table means we DO NEED the world's most popular RPG to openly say they support Gays, to make them feel more welcome in the Hobby..

Or you know, we can let Forum user "1989" be the Hobby ambassador and see all the good will he pulls us in.

Once again, you overreach.

They can game with me, no problem. I will give them the same courtesy that I give anyone else. I don't agree with a lot of things. You can game with me even if I don't see eye to eye with you. Just don't tell me that I'm a bigot for not supporting your point of view. And don't try to cancel my games or put disclaimers on them because you feel they are problematic for you for whatever reason. Don't tread on me. That's what the Americans say, right?

Quote from: Orphan81;1140906I'm a mostly straight white male.

Do what now?  That's like almost pregnant... how many d*cks do you suck to be 'mostly' straight?   LOL

QuoteEdit: And as for not playing a Soap Opera, some of us love to have Soap Operas in our Adventures.

The problem with sex (not sexuality)/romance/relationships around the table is it inevitably 'splits the party' and either leaves four or five players twiddling their thumbs, or sometimes squicked out.  Handwave, fade to black, group gets back together and ADVENTURE!

Quote from: LiferGamer;1140914Do what now?  That's like almost pregnant... how many d*cks do you suck to be 'mostly' straight?   LOL
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I'm just saying, Blair White and Bailey Jay.... I wouldn't turn either of them down.

Greetings!

I love the game of Chess. I have played the game of Chess with many different people, men and women alike. No one cares if you as a Chess player, are heterosexual, or gay. No one cares. What does being gay have to do with playing the game of Chess? Not a damned thing.

I have also played D&D with many different people, men and women alike, heterosexuals and gays as well. What does being gay have to do with playing the game? Not a damned thing. If you are white, Hispanic, black, Asian, or some crazy mix of all of that--why is that important? It isn't important, and has nothing to do with playing the game. Pick your dice up, and roll! Play some crazy character.

But you see, all his SJW oppression Olympics BS has everything to do with gaming if you are attempting to push an agenda, and pour SJW Kool Aid down people's throats.

SJW's like to scream and chant about identity politics and being woke--everything must revolve around that agenda, or you must be a racist and bigot. Normal people do not go around obsessed with identity politics, and worried about what flavour of ice cream you like.

When playing a game of Chess, no one is concerned if your heterosexual or gay. It is irrelevant. D&D is a game, as well. Your gender preferences and identity politics are irrelevant. Such political and ideological identity has nothing to do with Chess, and doesn't have anything to do with D&D. If you are interested in actually playing the game, it has nothing to do with doing so. If, on the other hand, you are an SJW interested in pushing a political ideology, then that is the only thing that matters--pushing the SJW agenda.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Orphan81;1140909It's not a Goal Post move it's a better clarifying of my position. As for not being welcome in the hobby, you literally have a fucking dude here who says He's against "The Homosexual Agenda" and doesn't support "Sodomists". Gay people are literally NOT welcome at his table. So maybe stop trying to focus so much on "Winning" this argument and take a moment to go... Gee, maybe the fact we literally have people who won't let gays at their table means we DO NEED the world's most popular RPG to openly say they support Gays, to make them feel more welcome in the Hobby..

Or you know, we can let Forum user "1989" be the Hobby ambassador and see all the good will he pulls us in.

So, ONE guy speaks for all of us.

Tell me does that apply universally? The #Ki11A11Men feminists speak for ALL feminists?

What about the Biological sex not real TransActivists? Do they speak for Blaire White?

And the BLM people crying how white people are genetically defective? Do they speak for all BLM or black people?

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Quote from: 1989;1140913Once again, you overreach.

They can game with me, no problem. I will give them the same courtesy that I give anyone else. I don't agree with a lot of things. You can game with me even if I don't see eye to eye with you. Just don't tell me that I'm a bigot for not supporting your point of view. And don't try to cancel my games or put disclaimers on them because you feel they are problematic for you for whatever reason. Don't tread on me. That's what the Americans say, right?

So your bogeyman isn't real, now what?

Quote from: Orphan81;1140916I'm just saying, Blair White and Bailey Jay.... I wouldn't turn either of them down.

So you're bi-sexual, so what?

There's no such thing as mostly straight or mostly gay you're or you aren't.

Because IRL isn't a RPG

Quote from: VisionStorm;1140863Seriously, a gay couple in a pseudo-medieval or ancient world likely be strictly an urban thing (like a wealthy merchant or nobleman taking a favored male sex slave), or maybe part of a troupe of performers or something like that. Even a gladiator, with no long term prospects and no idea whether he'll live or die in the arena, taking another male slave as a lover to pass the time would make more sense.

But farmers traditionally marry someone of the opposite sex and have a lot of kids, cuz farming requires a lot of hands, particularly in a pre-industrialized world. The notion of a gay farmer, his husband and their adoptive son is such a privileged urbanite modern world take, it seems completely divorced from real world needs. It's like they randomly decided to make them farmers just because "why not (you bigot!)?"

Ironically adventurers also seem the kind of characters who might have 'non traditional gender roles'. Paizo actually got it right back in 2007 Rise of the Runelords with a semi-open homosexual couple of ex-adventurers in Sandpoint, and local attitudes varying from bemused tolerance to disapproval. Paizo stuff up through 2010 or so is pretty sane. Of course this didn't last and 6 years later there were female half-orc paladins selling their family heirloom magic swords to buy potions of transgenderism for their m2f (or f2m, I forget) lover/spouse - with full approval of their quasi-Christian crusading church, who apparently saw this as a great use of resources while locked in a life and death struggle with the demon horde. Because why not, bigot.

Quote from: Orphan81;1140870But before all that shit started, I expected the modern day Seattle Forgotten Realms..and that's okay! There *SHOULD* be Fantasy settings that are like that. Because some people DO want to go on Fantasy romps without the baggage associated with the ignorant minded people of the medevil world.

I like my Forgotten Realms like 1970s Vancouver, as God and Greenwood intended.

There are homosexual couples in my FR campaigns - I made three of the canon 2008 4e FRCS Loudwater PCs homosexual, two gays (the local wizard & cleric) and Lady Moonfire a lesbian. It's normally tolerated, especially in Elf-influenced areas such as the Western Heartlands. But even a gay male farmer is either going to marry and have a bunch of kids, or he'll be the unmarried uncle who's close personal friends with Sam in the village.

I don't believe Jeremy Crawford's Magical Realm reflects mainstream societal norms even in 2020 Anglosphere countries - go to a farming region and see how many openly gay farmers you can find. You may find a couple retired lesbian academics with five sheep and twelve cats.

Quote from: Orphan81;1140906I'm a mostly straight white male. The very few times I RP as opposed to Running, I tend to play mostly straight white males. It's not the point of saying Billy is Gay so you can be Gay now, so much as making Gay Billy feel welcome by saying, "Hey, if you're Gay that's cool, we accept Gay people.."

I've had a ton of lesbian players and a few gay players. Their being welcome at my table is completely orthogonal to the cultural norms of the fantasy setting they play in.

A friend of mine is gay and plays a variety of PCs IMCs, his longest running PC was a very straight Conanesque barbarian, but he also plays gay male characters and female characters. His favourite game is 1e AD&D. His favourite setting is the Wilderlands. He would never demand the setting be changed to suit his bedroom preferences. He treats my interest in female mammary organs with amused tolerance.

Quote from: S'mon;1140948I've had a ton of lesbian players and a few gay players. Their being welcome at my table is completely orthogonal to the cultural norms of the fantasy setting they play in.

Greetings!

Exactly, my friend! I run my campaigns the same way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Crusader X;1140888Now?

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Quote from: S'mon;1140944Ironically adventurers also seem the kind of characters who might have 'non traditional gender roles'. Paizo actually got it right back in 2007 Rise of the Runelords with a semi-open homosexual couple of ex-adventurers in Sandpoint, and local attitudes varying from bemused tolerance to disapproval. Paizo stuff up through 2010 or so is pretty sane. Of course this didn't last and 6 years later there were female half-orc paladins selling their family heirloom magic swords to buy potions of transgenderism for their m2f (or f2m, I forget) lover/spouse - with full approval of their quasi-Christian crusading church, who apparently saw this as a great use of resources while locked in a life and death struggle with the demon horde. Because why not, bigot.

Yeah, I tend to think of adventurers as socially being kinda like shamans in a certain way--not in the sense of taking shamanic roles, but in the sense that in a lot of cultures shamans were allowed certain eccentricities and permissiveness that don't apply to the rest of the community, because they serve a special role in society. Similarly, adventurers, living at the edge of society, often risking their lives for fame or glory, or to aid communities by getting rid of monsters (much like a shaman might get rid of evil spirits), are exempt from standard social norms and allowed certain indulgences without being required to fulfill the same obligations expected of common folk (like having kids). After all, they could take out the town guards and raze the entire town if they wanted to anyways, so better not get on their bad side.

Quote from: S'mon;1140946I like my Forgotten Realms like 1970s Vancouver, as God and Greenwood intended.

There are homosexual couples in my FR campaigns - I made three of the canon 2008 4e FRCS Loudwater PCs homosexual, two gays (the local wizard & cleric) and Lady Moonfire a lesbian. It's normally tolerated, especially in Elf-influenced areas such as the Western Heartlands. But even a gay male farmer is either going to marry and have a bunch of kids, or he'll be the unmarried uncle who's close personal friends with Sam in the village.

I don't believe Jeremy Crawford's Magical Realm reflects mainstream societal norms even in 2020 Anglosphere countries - go to a farming region and see how many openly gay farmers you can find. You may find a couple retired lesbian academics with five sheep and twelve cats.

Pretty much. I also tend to think of elves as being disproportionately bi and open to eccentric sexual behavior and other indulgences compared to other races.

Quote from: Orphan81;1140865Yes, Billy, who could very well be Gay... can play a gay character now.

Dummy, Billy who could very well be Gay....could play a gay character back then too. D&D 5e didn't suddenly break down barriers for GBLT players because there were no barriers to begin with.