Quote from: Cathode Ray on July 16, 2022, 10:08:05 PM
I really know little about RPGs, and I had to ask what OSR is at first.  Now I know, and I think that my "Radical High" series is kind of OSR without knowing it.  If you know TWERPS or some of the cheaper versions of mini games that came from small houses (some actually from people's houses), they were simple black and white photo copies types with an IBM Selectric on 8 1/2 by  11 paper.  Then it was folded in half and given a neon or pastel paper stock cover.  The art usually showed skills but was undisciplined.  That's the kind of game that my game pays tribute to.

Here's a link to the cover for one module.  You be the judge.   https://pdoxg.files.wordpress.com/2022/03/college-bound-radical-high-cover-art-50-blue.jpg

Some prototypes https://pdoxg.files.wordpress.com/2022/02/rh_01_sm.jpg

This look pretty sweet; just ordered a print copy.

Also, I freakin' loved TWERPS back in the day. My mom found an old box of my stuff a year or so ago, and among the things in there were all the TWERPS books I had (core, Fly By Knights, and Magic). Good times.

The fact OSR even exists at all is still amazing. 

Now, I'm no Gygaxian cultist.  Not even close.  My favorite games right now are all systems unrelated, or so heavily modified that you could say they're unique game systems from D&D, too. 

1.  Palladium Books, a HEAVILY modified D&D game. 
2.  Pocket Fantasy.  A free ultra rules lite game using 1D6 only, with re-rolls as the main gameplay element. 
3.  Tiny-D6 series.  Rules so simple even grade school kids can play using 1D6, 2D6, and 3D6.
4.  Star Adventurer.  The only one that's truely an OSR genre game in my list.  Aka Star Wars D&D with the Vancian magic replaced by D20 skill roles. 
5.  Mini-6 Bare Bones.  A simplified Star Wars D6 dice pool game. 

I'm sure I'll never need to play actual D&D official games.  There are just too many other games to try.  Many are free as well.  There are so many OSR PDFs in my collection I'll never get to them all. 

Diversify, guys.  It will open up a lot of fun games to you. 

Greetings!

NO. D&D is THE ONE TRUE GAME. All other games are tainted, and are heretics.

All must come into the Light of Gygax and embrace THE TRUTH!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: weirdguy564 on July 17, 2022, 04:00:13 PM
Diversify, guys.  It will open up a lot of fun games to you.

You seem to be under the false impression that most of us have not tried lots of games.  It is possible to try lots of games and still prefer things at least closer to the OSR umbrella.  Believe it or not.

Quote from: thedungeondelver on July 16, 2022, 01:24:06 AM
Old School Roleplaying is an awesome idea.  "The OSR" as some kind of movement with leaders and influencers is such bullshit.  I'd have never kicked the whole thing off had I known what would lead to it.  I would've kept my mouth shut and just made stuff for myself and my tabletop.

The URL in your signature goes to a spam site.  Might want to fix that.

Quote from: Omega on July 15, 2022, 03:11:10 PM
In a year or two OSR will be even more meaningless than it already was. Whats an OSR game? Why Idle Champions is an OSR game! Its got dungeons! and its got. uh... a REVIVAL of the old idle games. yeah yeah! Its OSR!

Pretty much. 

5ed knock offs talk about "the world's greatest RPG".  BECMI knock offs talk about "OSR".  I mean Palladium Fantasy, Call of Cthulhu, Champions, Fantasy Trip, etc. etc. have all been around for close to (or more than) 40 years.  Are they "old school roleplaying"?  Sure, but nobody thinks Kevin Crawford's Godbound is going to be compatible with them the same way a Lamentation of the Flame Princess adventure will be.

Quote from: jeff37923 on July 16, 2022, 05:33:29 AM
Why does anyone pay attention to Twitter anyways?

Same reason we spend too much time on these forums.  It's all junk food, the folks getting pissed by Twitter just like different seasonings in the garbage they ingest.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on July 17, 2022, 12:22:31 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 16, 2022, 01:54:43 AM

Quote from: thedungeondelver on July 16, 2022, 01:24:06 AM
Old School Roleplaying is an awesome idea.  "The OSR" as some kind of movement with leaders and influencers is such bullshit.  I'd have never kicked the whole thing off had I known what would lead to it.  I would've kept my mouth shut and just made stuff for myself and my tabletop.

The design movement known as the OSR is productive and awesome. There's never been any single design movement in the history of RPGs that has been anywhere near as productive or as successful.

The movement of virtue signalling leftists who claim to be OSR is bullshit.

Lets see what we'd be missing had the OSR never existed:

SWN & WWN
ACK
White Box FMAG (and the many games based upon it like operation white box, White star, white lies...)
Basic Fantasy
Low Fantasy RPG
Dark Fantasy (or was it grim? no, I think it's dark)
Lion & Dragon
Star Adventurer
Guardians, Warriors of Mars, Lost Artifacts, Star Troopers

And that's just off the top of my head.

Now lets see what we'd be missing if the fake OSR never existed:
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Okay, I'm honestly drawing a blank here, can ANYONE poiint to a single good game they have produced that's OSR?

Their most famous product is probably Troika, which is NOT OSR. It's a Fighting Fantasy ripoff with no important mechanical or creative innovations.

They also claim Mork Borg as their own, which is overhyped garbage. Again, there's nothing it does that is new or creative.

Quote from: SHARK on July 18, 2022, 12:52:46 AM
Greetings!

NO. D&D is THE ONE TRUE GAME. All other games are tainted, and are heretics.

All must come into the Light of Gygax and embrace THE TRUTH!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

   Have you converted to the #BrOSR and the prophet Jeffro Johnson, SHARK?

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 18, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
They also claim Mork Borg as their own, which is overhyped garbage. Again, there's nothing it does that is new or creative.

Wait.  It's a game?  I thought it was an incomplete and unplayable vanity press art book?  Like some of the third party LotFP stuff out there, but objectively worse.

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 19, 2022, 10:19:09 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 18, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
They also claim Mork Borg as their own, which is overhyped garbage. Again, there's nothing it does that is new or creative.

Wait.  It's a game?  I thought it was an incomplete and unplayable vanity press art book?  Like some of the third party LotFP stuff out there, but objectively worse.

Yep, it's a game.  The book is not the best to sit and read as it highly puts style over function, but it's very playable.  I've played in 2 games so far and everyone involved had fun.  I plan to run one of the spin-off games, Pirate Borg, sometime before the end of summer.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on July 19, 2022, 09:13:28 AM

Quote from: SHARK on July 18, 2022, 12:52:46 AM
Greetings!

NO. D&D is THE ONE TRUE GAME. All other games are tainted, and are heretics.

All must come into the Light of Gygax and embrace THE TRUTH!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

   Have you converted to the #BrOSR and the prophet Jeffro Johnson, SHARK?

Greetings!

*Laughing* I'm glad that some still keep a sense of humour!

Always nice to hear you, Armchair Gamer!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 18, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
Their most famous product is probably Troika, which is NOT OSR. It's a Fighting Fantasy ripoff with no important mechanical or creative innovations.

1. Troika! adds Backgrounds (classes), each with special abilities.

2. Troika! has rules for Armor, FF does not.

3. Troika! uses a different - and unique - Initiative system.

4. Troika! uses a different - and unique - Encumbrance system.

5. Troika! has a system for magical misfires, FF does not.

6. Troika uses a completely different system for character advancement.

And that's just on a quick flip-through. Drowning/Fire damage is handled differently, Troika! has more weapons, there may be more stuff, but you get the point.

Next time you decide to weigh in on a game, maybe read it first, huh?

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 19, 2022, 08:24:46 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 18, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
Their most famous product is probably Troika, which is NOT OSR. It's a Fighting Fantasy ripoff with no important mechanical or creative innovations.

1. Troika! adds Backgrounds (classes), each with special abilities.

2. Troika! has rules for Armor, FF does not.

3. Troika! uses a different - and unique - Initiative system.

4. Troika! uses a different - and unique - Encumbrance system.

5. Troika! has a system for magical misfires, FF does not.

6. Troika uses a completely different system for character advancement.

And that's just on a quick flip-through. Drowning/Fire damage is handled differently, Troika! has more weapons, there may be more stuff, but you get the point.

Next time you decide to weigh in on a game, maybe read it first, huh?

Dungeoneer and its Port Blacksand supplement did almost all of the things on that list, decades ago. They just copied it.

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 20, 2022, 07:40:03 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 19, 2022, 08:24:46 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on July 18, 2022, 06:04:14 PM
Their most famous product is probably Troika, which is NOT OSR. It's a Fighting Fantasy ripoff with no important mechanical or creative innovations.

1. Troika! adds Backgrounds (classes), each with special abilities.

2. Troika! has rules for Armor, FF does not.

3. Troika! uses a different - and unique - Initiative system.

4. Troika! uses a different - and unique - Encumbrance system.

5. Troika! has a system for magical misfires, FF does not.

6. Troika uses a completely different system for character advancement.

And that's just on a quick flip-through. Drowning/Fire damage is handled differently, Troika! has more weapons, there may be more stuff, but you get the point.

Next time you decide to weigh in on a game, maybe read it first, huh?

Dungeoneer and its Port Blacksand supplement did almost all of the things on that list, decades ago. They just copied it.

No, they didn't. Neither Dungeoneer or Port Blacksand do any of these things. I was looking at them them when I made that list. I'm looking at them right now.

Background: Port Blacksand p.71

Armor rules: Dungeoneer p.163

"Different and unique initiative system" means nothing.
"different and unique encumbrance system" means nothing

Magical misfires: Dungeoneer p.200

"Completely different system for character advancement" means nothing