This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

RE: "How do we stop the D&D SJWs now"

Started by Ocule, July 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AM

Previous topic - Next topic
Print
Go Down Pages 1 ... 29 30 31 32 33 ... 36
User actions

HappyDaze

#450
October 02, 2021, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 08:29:20 AM
Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 02:25:27 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 01:23:13 AM
AND? When has any SJW been banned just for being one? Even self admited ones. Again, criticizing something isn't the same. And you're doubling down on the false equivalence dude.

Let me try again to express what I'm saying. I'm saying that all four of these are different.

(a) talking about one's own games and games one wants to play
(b) bitching about games of the opposing politics
(c) forum bans
(d) harassment

Venger claimed that his side did only (a). I claim that both sides do both (a) and (b). I'll buy that left-leaning forums do (c) much more. However, (c) is very different than (d).

I don't have an opinion on what the balance is on (d). Venger only posted examples of (c).

I wasn't trying to say that interactions over on discord during a 24 or 48 hour period included the entire range of shitty behavior.  All I was saying is that bad stuff happens on RPG focused social media, and I'm determined to call out the stuff that usually gets brushed under the rug, such as calling non-leftoids nazis and banning them for enjoying "problematic" creators.  But if there's other forms of shitty behavior also, then I will condemn that, as well, and would like to know about it. 

If the left wasn't pushing this culture war, the moderates' discussion of politics would decrees by at least 50%.  I was happy being in the middle, a centrist, before all this woke garbage forced me further to the right.  I didn't want to be here, but I am because fighting for freedom is the most important thing.
And here I thought playing games and having fun was the most important part of gaming...

You'd be forgiven for thinking so, but freedom is even more important than elf-games.  I know, weird, right...?  ;)
Your mistake is thinking that gaming is where to fight that battle. It's quite possible to separate the two, though in the case of those playing in the "culture war" there's obviously more need for imagination and suspension of disbelief than for those wanting to hunt dragons or fly FTL spacecraft.

Because ignoring the totalitarian, puritanical left has worked great so far right?
I'm still gaming just fine.

GeekyBugle

#451
October 02, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 08:29:20 AM
Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 02:25:27 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 01:23:13 AM
AND? When has any SJW been banned just for being one? Even self admited ones. Again, criticizing something isn't the same. And you're doubling down on the false equivalence dude.

Let me try again to express what I'm saying. I'm saying that all four of these are different.

(a) talking about one's own games and games one wants to play
(b) bitching about games of the opposing politics
(c) forum bans
(d) harassment

Venger claimed that his side did only (a). I claim that both sides do both (a) and (b). I'll buy that left-leaning forums do (c) much more. However, (c) is very different than (d).

I don't have an opinion on what the balance is on (d). Venger only posted examples of (c).

I wasn't trying to say that interactions over on discord during a 24 or 48 hour period included the entire range of shitty behavior.  All I was saying is that bad stuff happens on RPG focused social media, and I'm determined to call out the stuff that usually gets brushed under the rug, such as calling non-leftoids nazis and banning them for enjoying "problematic" creators.  But if there's other forms of shitty behavior also, then I will condemn that, as well, and would like to know about it. 

If the left wasn't pushing this culture war, the moderates' discussion of politics would decrees by at least 50%.  I was happy being in the middle, a centrist, before all this woke garbage forced me further to the right.  I didn't want to be here, but I am because fighting for freedom is the most important thing.
And here I thought playing games and having fun was the most important part of gaming...

You'd be forgiven for thinking so, but freedom is even more important than elf-games.  I know, weird, right...?  ;)
Your mistake is thinking that gaming is where to fight that battle. It's quite possible to separate the two, though in the case of those playing in the "culture war" there's obviously more need for imagination and suspension of disbelief than for those wanting to hunt dragons or fly FTL spacecraft.

Because ignoring the totalitarian, puritanical left has worked great so far right?
I'm still gaming just fine.

And you're totally not a leftist...
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

Shrieking Banshee

#452
October 02, 2021, 12:18:23 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:06:39 PM
I'm still gaming just fine.
To be ideologically consistent on my end: If thats the case for you, you are a representative of a viewpoint. You do not get dismissed because you do not fit my narrative.

On my end, I believe that ideology has infiltrated lots of things I like to the point its begun to really compromise their quality.
EN world is making Advanced D&D 5e. I don't like 5e, but an advanced version may change that around for me. And regardless I like learning new mechanics.
Except now it says 'Made for and by a diverse audience'. What the fuck does that mean? Why should that even matter for the quality of the product? Why is that even there?
And now Im concerned that political agenda and diversity will take priority over experience and merit.

HappyDaze

#453
October 02, 2021, 12:41:37 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 02, 2021, 12:18:23 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:06:39 PM
I'm still gaming just fine.
To be ideologically consistent on my end: If thats the case for you, you are a representative of a viewpoint. You do not get dismissed because you do not fit my narrative.

On my end, I believe that ideology has infiltrated lots of things I like to the point its begun to really compromise their quality.
EN world is making Advanced D&D 5e. I don't like 5e, but an advanced version may change that around for me. And regardless I like learning new mechanics.
Except now it says 'Made for and by a diverse audience'. What the fuck does that mean? Why should that even matter for the quality of the product? Why is that even there?
And now Im concerned that political agenda and diversity will take priority over experience and merit.
Rather than worry, wait for the product and give it a look. If you like it, buy it, if you don't then don't. At that point, whatever they "meant" by their statement is meaningless compared to what you will/won't do with the product in your gaming time.

HappyDaze

#454
October 02, 2021, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:06:39 PM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 11:58:56 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 08:29:20 AM
Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 02:25:27 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 01:23:13 AM
AND? When has any SJW been banned just for being one? Even self admited ones. Again, criticizing something isn't the same. And you're doubling down on the false equivalence dude.

Let me try again to express what I'm saying. I'm saying that all four of these are different.

(a) talking about one's own games and games one wants to play
(b) bitching about games of the opposing politics
(c) forum bans
(d) harassment

Venger claimed that his side did only (a). I claim that both sides do both (a) and (b). I'll buy that left-leaning forums do (c) much more. However, (c) is very different than (d).

I don't have an opinion on what the balance is on (d). Venger only posted examples of (c).

I wasn't trying to say that interactions over on discord during a 24 or 48 hour period included the entire range of shitty behavior.  All I was saying is that bad stuff happens on RPG focused social media, and I'm determined to call out the stuff that usually gets brushed under the rug, such as calling non-leftoids nazis and banning them for enjoying "problematic" creators.  But if there's other forms of shitty behavior also, then I will condemn that, as well, and would like to know about it. 

If the left wasn't pushing this culture war, the moderates' discussion of politics would decrees by at least 50%.  I was happy being in the middle, a centrist, before all this woke garbage forced me further to the right.  I didn't want to be here, but I am because fighting for freedom is the most important thing.
And here I thought playing games and having fun was the most important part of gaming...

You'd be forgiven for thinking so, but freedom is even more important than elf-games.  I know, weird, right...?  ;)
Your mistake is thinking that gaming is where to fight that battle. It's quite possible to separate the two, though in the case of those playing in the "culture war" there's obviously more need for imagination and suspension of disbelief than for those wanting to hunt dragons or fly FTL spacecraft.

Because ignoring the totalitarian, puritanical left has worked great so far right?
I'm still gaming just fine.

And you're totally not a leftist...
Correct, I'm totally not a leftist.

Shrieking Banshee

#455
October 02, 2021, 01:05:20 PM Last Edit: October 02, 2021, 01:07:16 PM by Shrieking Banshee
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:41:37 PMRather than worry, wait for the product and give it a look.

What if this sort of event has happened multiple times before? And has led to the product being made worse each time? And yet it still spreads to more media types, entertainment mediums, conventions and professions that I like?

At which point am I allowed to be concerned?
If I knew that a writers guild was all doodoo. And it suddenly took over writing for a series of pulps that I liked. Am I allowed to be concerned?

HappyDaze

#456
October 02, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 02, 2021, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:41:37 PMRather than worry, wait for the product and give it a look.

What if this sort of event has happened multiple times before? And has led to the product being made worse each time? And yet it still spreads to more media types, entertainment mediums, conventions and professions that I like?

At which point am I allowed to be concerned?
If I knew that a writers guild was all doodoo. And it suddenly took over writing for a series of pulps that I liked. Am I allowed to be concerned?
You're the consumer. Buy or don't buy, but entertainment is hardly worth getting upset over. Find something that you like, or perhaps create something you like if you're on that side of it.

Shrieking Banshee

#457
October 02, 2021, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 02:49:41 PMBut entertainment is hardly worth getting upset over.

I mean there are degrees to everything. Kicking and screaming may be an overreaction, but the increasing destruction of everything I like may have me voicing SOME discontent.
Why do I have to go on the defensive? Why do I have to retreat from places I felt welcomed before?

Are you seriously telling me it has to reach life-threatening levels until its reasonable for me to voice discontent and opposition to the ideas being laid out?

HappyDaze

#458
October 02, 2021, 03:05:44 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 02, 2021, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 02:49:41 PMBut entertainment is hardly worth getting upset over.

I mean there are degrees to everything. Kicking and screaming may be an overreaction, but the increasing destruction of everything I like may have me voicing SOME discontent.
Why do I have to go on the defensive? Why do I have to retreat from places I felt welcomed before?

Are you seriously telling me it has to reach life-threatening levels until its reasonable for me to voice discontent and opposition to the ideas being laid out?
I'm saying it's stupid to declare a "war" over it. Are you going to "war" over it against perceived "enemies" or are you just expressing your dissenting opinion. The former is idiotic, the latter is fine.

Shrieking Banshee

#459
October 02, 2021, 03:08:53 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 03:05:44 PMI'm saying it's stupid to declare a "war" over it. Are you going to "war" over it against perceived "rnemies" or are you just expressing your opinion. The former is idiotic, the latter is fine.
I agree declaring "War" is stupid, but I find forming a coalition of voices to be heard to voice concerns isn't (considering the people that silence and destroy the stuff I like do it all the time).
And all enemies are ultimately subjective and  only percieved if you wanna play the semantics game.

VengerSatanis

#461
October 03, 2021, 08:18:37 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 11:20:04 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 11:16:38 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 10:51:11 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 02, 2021, 08:29:20 AM
Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 02:25:27 AM
Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 02, 2021, 01:23:13 AM
AND? When has any SJW been banned just for being one? Even self admited ones. Again, criticizing something isn't the same. And you're doubling down on the false equivalence dude.

Let me try again to express what I'm saying. I'm saying that all four of these are different.



(a) talking about one's own games and games one wants to play
(b) bitching about games of the opposing politics
(c) forum bans
(d) harassment

Venger claimed that his side did only (a). I claim that both sides do both (a) and (b). I'll buy that left-leaning forums do (c) much more. However, (c) is very different than (d).

I don't have an opinion on what the balance is on (d). Venger only posted examples of (c).

I wasn't trying to say that interactions over on discord during a 24 or 48 hour period included the entire range of shitty behavior.  All I was saying is that bad stuff happens on RPG focused social media, and I'm determined to call out the stuff that usually gets brushed under the rug, such as calling non-leftoids nazis and banning them for enjoying "problematic" creators.  But if there's other forms of shitty behavior also, then I will condemn that, as well, and would like to know about it. 

If the left wasn't pushing this culture war, the moderates' discussion of politics would decrees by at least 50%.  I was happy being in the middle, a centrist, before all this woke garbage forced me further to the right.  I didn't want to be here, but I am because fighting for freedom is the most important thing.
And here I thought playing games and having fun was the most important part of gaming...

You'd be forgiven for thinking so, but freedom is even more important than elf-games.  I know, weird, right...?  ;)
Your mistake is thinking that gaming is where to fight that battle. It's quite possible to separate the two, though in the case of those playing in the "culture war" there's obviously more need for imagination and suspension of disbelief than for those wanting to hunt dragons or fly FTL spacecraft.

I try fighting the culture war in other, non-gaming, ways, as well.  So many micro-aggressions, so little time...

VengerSatanis

#462
October 03, 2021, 08:21:39 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 02, 2021, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:41:37 PMRather than worry, wait for the product and give it a look.

What if this sort of event has happened multiple times before? And has led to the product being made worse each time? And yet it still spreads to more media types, entertainment mediums, conventions and professions that I like?

At which point am I allowed to be concerned?
If I knew that a writers guild was all doodoo. And it suddenly took over writing for a series of pulps that I liked. Am I allowed to be concerned?
You're the consumer. Buy or don't buy, but entertainment is hardly worth getting upset over. Find something that you like, or perhaps create something you like if you're on that side of it.

The part above I put into bold... I'm hoping that's the dumbest thing you've said all year.

HappyDaze

#463
October 03, 2021, 09:11:21 AM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 03, 2021, 08:21:39 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 02:49:41 PM
Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 02, 2021, 01:05:20 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:41:37 PMRather than worry, wait for the product and give it a look.

What if this sort of event has happened multiple times before? And has led to the product being made worse each time? And yet it still spreads to more media types, entertainment mediums, conventions and professions that I like?

At which point am I allowed to be concerned?
If I knew that a writers guild was all doodoo. And it suddenly took over writing for a series of pulps that I liked. Am I allowed to be concerned?
You're the consumer. Buy or don't buy, but entertainment is hardly worth getting upset over. Find something that you like, or perhaps create something you like if you're on that side of it.

The part above I put into bold... I'm hoping that's the dumbest thing you've said all year.
I know a lot of people take their entertainment a lot more seriously than I do, but to believe it's worth going to "war" over is silly. There are far more important things to worry about than television, films, and games. Sorry if that's dismissive of your entire worldview (but, as you;ve got family, you're probably well aware of a great many things that really matter far more than entertainment).

On a side note, I've looked at several of your products. They aren't really my thing, but they give me the impression that you write them to have fun rather than to make statements or to wage a war. I hope that's the case.

Shrieking Banshee

#464
October 03, 2021, 09:46:09 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 09:11:21 AM
I know a lot of people take their entertainment a lot more seriously than I do, but to believe it's worth going to "war" over is silly.

The entertainment becoming bad is one thing, but your kinda missing the point:
Its that a cultural group has the authority to demand changes at all.

To put in perspective: I can be outraged that Charles F Murphy said a bunch of lies in the 1940s to force comics to conform to his standards, even if comics are not that important to my life objectively.
Print
Go Up Pages 1 ... 29 30 31 32 33 ... 36
User actions