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RE: "How do we stop the D&D SJWs now"

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Shasarak

#420
September 30, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
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So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...

I keep thinking that it must be sweet to live in Florida.
There's always room for another tourist.

Who wants to be a Tourist when you could be Florida Man
There's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Of course!  I would learn from the master.  Teach me your ways sensai.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

oggsmash

#421
September 30, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...

I keep thinking that it must be sweet to live in Florida.
There's always room for another tourist.

Who wants to be a Tourist when you could be Florida Man
There's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Of course!  I would learn from the master.  Teach me your ways sensai.

  12 pack, jeans, body of water, alligator.  The rest will work itself out.

HappyDaze

#422
September 30, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 30, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...

I keep thinking that it must be sweet to live in Florida.
There's always room for another tourist.

Who wants to be a Tourist when you could be Florida Man
There's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Of course!  I would learn from the master.  Teach me your ways sensai.

  12 pack, jeans, body of water, alligator.  The rest will work itself out.
Jeans are not as likely as shorts. Alligator usually means that is a poseur trying too hard.

Shasarak

#423
September 30, 2021, 06:54:57 PM Last Edit: September 30, 2021, 06:56:32 PM by Shasarak
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 30, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...

I keep thinking that it must be sweet to live in Florida.
There's always room for another tourist.

Who wants to be a Tourist when you could be Florida Man
There's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Of course!  I would learn from the master.  Teach me your ways sensai.

  12 pack, jeans, body of water, alligator.  The rest will work itself out.
Jeans are not as likely as shorts. Alligator usually means that is a poseur trying too hard.

Ok, shorts and plus or minus Alligator, got it.

I think its working, fear of culture wars receding.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

oggsmash

#424
September 30, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 06:39:06 PM
Quote from: oggsmash on September 30, 2021, 06:36:24 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 06:30:22 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 05:50:04 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...

I keep thinking that it must be sweet to live in Florida.
There's always room for another tourist.

Who wants to be a Tourist when you could be Florida Man
There's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Of course!  I would learn from the master.  Teach me your ways sensai.

  12 pack, jeans, body of water, alligator.  The rest will work itself out.
Jeans are not as likely as shorts. Alligator usually means that is a poseur trying too hard.

  Yeah I forgot, it is the new yorkers and their tiny dogs that get snatched by gators.

  Jorts, 12 pack, meth, shotgun, body of water the rest works itself out.

oggsmash

#425
September 30, 2021, 07:06:58 PM
  Though I do remember during the year and a half I lived in Florida, a large number of the local folks seemed to wear jeans a lot, alot more than I cared to.   Of course I am talking about the dudes with the sweet mullets who were literally "Florida Men", and for all I know they could have evolved by now, or Orlando could have it's own special breed.

Ghostmaker

#426
September 30, 2021, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 30, 2021, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 03:57:22 PM
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Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 02:00:37 PM
Explain how the wheelchair is unbalanced. Not liking it is one thing, but saying it's mechanically unbalanced like the examples you gave sounds like the rantings of a total idiot.
I thought about just ignoring you, but you know, I think you deserve this.

Why exactly does a 200gp (uncommon equivalent) magic item (and don't fucking lie; this is a magic item) grant proficiency in tinker's tool,  advantage on saves versus being knocked prone, is almost indestructible (assuming you even use those rules), can be driven with one hand (beacon stone) and suffers no issues from going up or down stairs (the arguments about handicapped-accessible dungeons don't really apply, to be honest) and ladders, three new attack options (which you are proficient in, and use the better of your Strength or Dexterity), counts as part of your body for the purposes of magical effects and polymorph, counts as a mount for purposes of using a lance or mounted combat, and can be upgraded to add additional effects (including allowing for telepathic control, turning it into a submersible, sprouting spider legs, or equipping a ram that lets you attack three targets at once)?

This is all from the goddamn PDF, mind you.
Those rules are pretty fucking silly (I'm taking your word for how they work). I had thought the chair was just a cosmetic effect (as much as having legs vs a snake body is really a cosmetic effect as far as most game mechanics are concerned). I certainly wouldn't use those rules if I played that game, and the game I do play that has a "mobiltiy chair" starts it off as just allowing you to move like everyone else (and it is gear with no special protection from effects that target gear). Beyond that, if you want more features (such as integrated weapons), you have to pay for the upgrades and they are roughly equal to what other characters would pay for equivalent abilities in non-chair gear.

Still, I'm not seeing the rules you describe as being on a Pun-Pun level of game-breaking crazy.
Sigh. Think about it.

When people bring up 'Pun-Pun', 'diplomancer', or some other meme-worthy cringe build, your reaction should be like mine: groan, facepalm, throw things at person suggesting it, etc.

Instead, we're being subjected to a constant drivel of 'BUT MUH DIVERSITY' regarding the wheelchair. This thing should be mocked ceaselessly, and yet nobody wants to do so (outside present company). Why? Because 'ohnoez, that would be mean to disabled people' or some such bullshit.

THAT is why it's worse. It's broken bullshit and doesn't even have the good grace to admit it.

Also, the damn thing has no rules about tripping ground traps that I can find. I guess because tripwires and pressure plates make the author feel bad. I'm also still stunned that they tried to sell this thing as nominally indestructible (three critical hits in an encounter, seriously?!), knowing that even modern wheelchairs can get fucked up with normal wear and tear.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 30, 2021, 03:57:55 PM
Yeah. Tis why I've gone back to earlier editions of the game. Where a permanency spell was needed for magic items. Loss of Con etc. etc. That's not to say a demi-god or a disabled wizard couldn't have made one. We got the Apparatus of Kwalish.
See, the Apparatus makes for an interesting major magic item or minor artifact (it's a legendary item in 5E).  It's RARE. You can't buy it from any fine merchant like you're going to Aurora's in the Realms.
So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...
My mistake was treating you civilly in this discussion. I won't make it again.

HappyDaze

#427
September 30, 2021, 07:28:56 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 30, 2021, 07:22:33 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 30, 2021, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on September 30, 2021, 03:33:08 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 02:00:37 PM
Explain how the wheelchair is unbalanced. Not liking it is one thing, but saying it's mechanically unbalanced like the examples you gave sounds like the rantings of a total idiot.
I thought about just ignoring you, but you know, I think you deserve this.

Why exactly does a 200gp (uncommon equivalent) magic item (and don't fucking lie; this is a magic item) grant proficiency in tinker's tool,  advantage on saves versus being knocked prone, is almost indestructible (assuming you even use those rules), can be driven with one hand (beacon stone) and suffers no issues from going up or down stairs (the arguments about handicapped-accessible dungeons don't really apply, to be honest) and ladders, three new attack options (which you are proficient in, and use the better of your Strength or Dexterity), counts as part of your body for the purposes of magical effects and polymorph, counts as a mount for purposes of using a lance or mounted combat, and can be upgraded to add additional effects (including allowing for telepathic control, turning it into a submersible, sprouting spider legs, or equipping a ram that lets you attack three targets at once)?

This is all from the goddamn PDF, mind you.
Those rules are pretty fucking silly (I'm taking your word for how they work). I had thought the chair was just a cosmetic effect (as much as having legs vs a snake body is really a cosmetic effect as far as most game mechanics are concerned). I certainly wouldn't use those rules if I played that game, and the game I do play that has a "mobiltiy chair" starts it off as just allowing you to move like everyone else (and it is gear with no special protection from effects that target gear). Beyond that, if you want more features (such as integrated weapons), you have to pay for the upgrades and they are roughly equal to what other characters would pay for equivalent abilities in non-chair gear.

Still, I'm not seeing the rules you describe as being on a Pun-Pun level of game-breaking crazy.
Sigh. Think about it.

When people bring up 'Pun-Pun', 'diplomancer', or some other meme-worthy cringe build, your reaction should be like mine: groan, facepalm, throw things at person suggesting it, etc.

Instead, we're being subjected to a constant drivel of 'BUT MUH DIVERSITY' regarding the wheelchair. This thing should be mocked ceaselessly, and yet nobody wants to do so (outside present company). Why? Because 'ohnoez, that would be mean to disabled people' or some such bullshit.

THAT is why it's worse. It's broken bullshit and doesn't even have the good grace to admit it.

Also, the damn thing has no rules about tripping ground traps that I can find. I guess because tripwires and pressure plates make the author feel bad. I'm also still stunned that they tried to sell this thing as nominally indestructible (three critical hits in an encounter, seriously?!), knowing that even modern wheelchairs can get fucked up with normal wear and tear.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on September 30, 2021, 03:57:55 PM
Yeah. Tis why I've gone back to earlier editions of the game. Where a permanency spell was needed for magic items. Loss of Con etc. etc. That's not to say a demi-god or a disabled wizard couldn't have made one. We got the Apparatus of Kwalish.
See, the Apparatus makes for an interesting major magic item or minor artifact (it's a legendary item in 5E).  It's RARE. You can't buy it from any fine merchant like you're going to Aurora's in the Realms.
So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...
My mistake was treating you civilly in this discussion. I won't make it again.
I actually feel bad about snapping at you on this one, so I apologize for that. I still think the culture war is bullshit, but you didn't deserve my response.

ThatChrisGuy

#428
September 30, 2021, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PMThere's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Just practice this phrase: "Hold my beer and watch this."
I made a blog: Southern Style GURPS

Pat

#429
September 30, 2021, 10:56:54 PM Last Edit: September 30, 2021, 10:59:38 PM by Pat
Quote from: ThatChrisGuy on September 30, 2021, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PMThere's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Just practice this phrase: "Hold my beer and watch this."
But what if your brother spills your beer? (D&D Florida Edition skit. 2:21 if you want to jump to that specific part.)

Chris24601

#430
October 01, 2021, 09:15:02 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Quote from: Shasarak on September 30, 2021, 04:23:42 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 04:17:08 PM
So, to you it's worse because you can't grow the fuck up and isolate your gaming from the nonsense "culture war" that you believe is raging everywhere. Yawn...

I keep thinking that it must be sweet to live in Florida.
There's always room for another tourist.
I'm too pale to be seen as anything but a local. I also refuse to wear shorts for fear of blinding passing aircraft.

VengerSatanis

#431
October 01, 2021, 11:58:24 AM
So, I'm trying to shine a light on some of the gross and toxic practices on various social media groups, like the Exalted Funeral and OSR discord.  Twitter and reddit might be too far gone to call out, but I'm still going to try and put an end to harassment and cancellation where I find it.

My blog post has an eloquent rant + screenshots. Part 2 of my expose on the toxic Exalted Funeral discord (and other places):  https://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2021/10/the-best-disinfectant.html

jhkim

#432
October 01, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 01, 2021, 11:58:24 AM
So, I'm trying to shine a light on some of the gross and toxic practices on various social media groups, like the Exalted Funeral and OSR discord.  Twitter and reddit might be too far gone to call out, but I'm still going to try and put an end to harassment and cancellation where I find it.

My blog post has an eloquent rant + screenshots. Part 2 of my expose on the toxic Exalted Funeral discord (and other places):  https://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2021/10/the-best-disinfectant.html

OK, I see the forum bans which I understand is the cancellation.

Can you clarify what events you're calling harassment? That part is not clear to me from the post.

oggsmash

#433
October 01, 2021, 02:17:19 PM
Quote from: ThatChrisGuy on September 30, 2021, 10:23:12 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on September 30, 2021, 05:54:00 PMThere's more to being Florida Man than just being a man in Florida, but I'm sure you could manage it.

Just practice this phrase: "Hold my beer and watch this."

  Too general, that would be appropriate for "Southern Man". 

VengerSatanis

#434
October 01, 2021, 07:07:13 PM
Quote from: jhkim on October 01, 2021, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 01, 2021, 11:58:24 AM
So, I'm trying to shine a light on some of the gross and toxic practices on various social media groups, like the Exalted Funeral and OSR discord.  Twitter and reddit might be too far gone to call out, but I'm still going to try and put an end to harassment and cancellation where I find it.

My blog post has an eloquent rant + screenshots. Part 2 of my expose on the toxic Exalted Funeral discord (and other places):  https://vengersatanis.blogspot.com/2021/10/the-best-disinfectant.html

OK, I see the forum bans which I understand is the cancellation.

Can you clarify what events you're calling harassment? That part is not clear to me from the post.

I'm talking about a range of behavior from uncalled for verbal abuse to banning people for stupid reasons to slander (calling people nazis), just all of it.  We're all trying to game and they're playing politics and getting butthurt over someone showing off their new RPG books.
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