Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 03, 2021, 09:46:09 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 09:11:21 AM
I know a lot of people take their entertainment a lot more seriously than I do, but to believe it's worth going to "war" over is silly.

The entertainment becoming bad is one thing, but your kinda missing the point:
Its that a cultural group has the authority to demand changes at all.

To put in perspective: I can be outraged that Charles F Murphy said a bunch of lies in the 1940s to force comics to conform to his standards, even if comics are not that important to my life objectively.

If I were going back 70-ish years to find something to be outraged over, it wouldn't be comics.

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
If I were going back 70-ish years to find something to be outraged over, it wouldn't be comics.

With how willfully mis-interpretive you are, I now doubt you are actually arguing in any amount of good faith.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 03, 2021, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
If I were going back 70-ish years to find something to be outraged over, it wouldn't be comics.

With how willfully mis-interpretive you are, I now doubt you are actually arguing in any amount of good faith.

Good faith to what? I've directly expressed that I think the "culture war" is a bunch of nothingness. My arguments are all in good faith towards that stance.

If you expect me to be open to the idea that the culture warriors might not be total morons tilting at windmills, then I would expect that the culture warriors would be open to the idea that they are total morons tilting at windmills. Short of that, there's not likely to be a common ground for a true good faith argument here.

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 10:14:32 AM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 03, 2021, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
If I were going back 70-ish years to find something to be outraged over, it wouldn't be comics.

With how willfully mis-interpretive you are, I now doubt you are actually arguing in any amount of good faith.

Good faith to what? I've directly expressed that I think the "culture war" is a bunch of nothingness. My arguments are all in good faith towards that stance.

If you expect me to be open to the idea that the culture warriors might not be total morons tilting at windmills, then I would expect that the culture warriors would be open to the idea that they are total morons tilting at windmills. Short of that, there's not likely to be a common ground for a true good faith argument here.

"It's just the gender studies graduates, the real world will set them straight"
"It's just videogames, you can still play your old games"
"It's just comics, you can still find plenty of comics to read"
"It's just Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, you can still find plenty of series to watch, it wasn't made for you bigot!"
"It's just RPGs, I'm still playing fine!"

In the meantime we see how the ideology has infiltrated even government, with Commiefornia wanting to abolish the prevision that prevents the government from discriminating based on immutable characteristics and colleges already do discriminate based on said characteristics.

Yep in this forum we talk about RPGs and how the ideology affects them, but it's not some isolated accident.

Best weapons in our arsenal are our voices: Criticizing and ridiculing the ideological propaganda disguissed as RPGs AND our wallet, vote with your dollars. But never stop voicing your opinion, mocking and ridiculing the ideologues in our hobby.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 11:37:58 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 10:14:32 AM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 03, 2021, 10:09:16 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 09:49:49 AM
If I were going back 70-ish years to find something to be outraged over, it wouldn't be comics.

With how willfully mis-interpretive you are, I now doubt you are actually arguing in any amount of good faith.

Good faith to what? I've directly expressed that I think the "culture war" is a bunch of nothingness. My arguments are all in good faith towards that stance.

If you expect me to be open to the idea that the culture warriors might not be total morons tilting at windmills, then I would expect that the culture warriors would be open to the idea that they are total morons tilting at windmills. Short of that, there's not likely to be a common ground for a true good faith argument here.

"It's just the gender studies graduates, the real world will set them straight"
"It's just videogames, you can still play your old games"
"It's just comics, you can still find plenty of comics to read"
"It's just Star Trek, Star Wars, Doctor Who, you can still find plenty of series to watch, it wasn't made for you bigot!"
"It's just RPGs, I'm still playing fine!"

In the meantime we see how the ideology has infiltrated even government, with Commiefornia wanting to abolish the prevision that prevents the government from discriminating based on immutable characteristics and colleges already do discriminate based on said characteristics.

Yep in this forum we talk about RPGs and how the ideology affects them, but it's not some isolated accident.

Best weapons in our arsenal are our voices: Criticizing and ridiculing the ideological propaganda disguissed as RPGs AND our wallet, vote with your dollars. But never stop voicing your opinion, mocking and ridiculing the ideologues in our hobby.

Well, we can both agree on having fun mocking and ridiculing stupid ideas, and there's always plenty around around here to poke fun at. But for me, it's just that--having fun. For those that take it too seriously, I'll have fun mocking and ridiculing them too.

Good faith in the sense I don't believe you have any respect for arguing with me.
I brought up an example of how I could have a problem with social overreach over entertainment using historical precedent.
The argument back was:
'That doesn't matter. Also its old so its not worthwhile even bringing up'

I respect that you believe what I find important doesn't matter. But I do not believe you respect me back. Ergo this is my last thing I will say to you.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 03, 2021, 12:20:07 PM
Good faith in the sense I don't believe you have any respect for arguing with me.
I brought up an example of how I could have a problem with social overreach over entertainment using historical precedent.
The argument back was:
'That doesn't matter. Also its old so its not worthwhile even bringing up'

I respect that you believe what I find important doesn't matter. But I do not believe you respect me back. Ergo this is my last thing I will say to you.

Dude, you're expecting someone to validate your feelz on theRPGsite? That's hilarious.

Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 03, 2021, 08:21:39 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 02:49:41 PM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 02, 2021, 01:05:20 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:41:37 PMRather than worry, wait for the product and give it a look.

What if this sort of event has happened multiple times before? And has led to the product being made worse each time? And yet it still spreads to more media types, entertainment mediums, conventions and professions that I like?

At which point am I allowed to be concerned?
If I knew that a writers guild was all doodoo. And it suddenly took over writing for a series of pulps that I liked. Am I allowed to be concerned?

You're the consumer. Buy or don't buy, but entertainment is hardly worth getting upset over. Find something that you like, or perhaps create something you like if you're on that side of it.

The part above I put into bold... I'm hoping that's the dumbest thing you've said all year.

Oh no. He's said plenty of dumber things.

But to address the point at hand: politics is downstream from culture. One of the reasons we're in the soup so bad is because center and right proponents have kinda neglected that angle, letting the left have full custody. Hence why we're in the mess.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 03, 2021, 12:20:07 PM
I respect that you believe what I find important doesn't matter. But I do not believe you respect me back. Ergo this is my last thing I will say to you.

You're not alone. I already got sick of the bad behavior. Some amount of shitposting and poking is fine, and I have a pretty high tolerance for misunderstanding over text. But I don't see any real attempt at good faith discussion, so what's even the point.

Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 01, 2021, 11:19:46 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 01, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
Venger - I understand you can get that impression from creating your RPGs and looking at discussion in left-leaning RPG forums. On the other hand, around here, what I see are constant complaints over newly-published left-leaning RPG products like Thirsty Sword Lesbians or Coyote & Crow, or just free game expansions like Sara Thompson's Combat Wheelchair.

I think in the current political climate, gamers of all politics are much more inclined to bitch about the other side than to talk constructively about their own games.

I don't condone calling someone a nazi who isn't one, but still, I'd call that more name-calling than harassment.

Yeah, because criticizing something is totally the same as what Venger is describing no?

Come on jhkim, I'm sure you can't believe that. I hope you don't because I think you're smarter than that. But maybe you think we're so stupid as to not see the false equivalence?

What Venger described in his post was getting banned from a private forum. I'm not saying getting banned is the same thing as criticism - but it's also not the same as harassment.

OF COURSE it's harassment. What's more, it's REAL harassment, not the pretend harassment the leftists invent to act like victims and demand people be destroyed, with stuff like "he publicly supported Trump and that hurts my feelings" or "he said things that offend me in a vague way as a woman/minority/alphabet-pronoun!!".
Venger's REAL Harassment included slander (being falsely called a "Nazi"), having his opportunity to do engage in commerce interfered with, and the intimidations of friends and clients.

And as far as I'm concerned at this point, all rules are out the window from this year onward. if we want to stop these Stalinist would-be mass-murderers, we have to do so with as much determination to hurt them as they have to hurt us.

Quote from: VengerSatanis on October 03, 2021, 08:21:39 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 02:49:41 PM

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on October 02, 2021, 01:05:20 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 02, 2021, 12:41:37 PMRather than worry, wait for the product and give it a look.

What if this sort of event has happened multiple times before? And has led to the product being made worse each time? And yet it still spreads to more media types, entertainment mediums, conventions and professions that I like?

At which point am I allowed to be concerned?
If I knew that a writers guild was all doodoo. And it suddenly took over writing for a series of pulps that I liked. Am I allowed to be concerned?

You're the consumer. Buy or don't buy, but entertainment is hardly worth getting upset over. Find something that you like, or perhaps create something you like if you're on that side of it.

The part above I put into bold... I'm hoping that's the dumbest thing you've said all year.

The most obvious lie too. The entire left's approach to western culture is about "getting upset" (or pretending to) about entertainment.

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 03, 2021, 02:52:19 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 01, 2021, 11:19:46 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 01, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
Venger - I understand you can get that impression from creating your RPGs and looking at discussion in left-leaning RPG forums. On the other hand, around here, what I see are constant complaints over newly-published left-leaning RPG products like Thirsty Sword Lesbians or Coyote & Crow, or just free game expansions like Sara Thompson's Combat Wheelchair.

I think in the current political climate, gamers of all politics are much more inclined to bitch about the other side than to talk constructively about their own games.

I don't condone calling someone a nazi who isn't one, but still, I'd call that more name-calling than harassment.

Yeah, because criticizing something is totally the same as what Venger is describing no?

Come on jhkim, I'm sure you can't believe that. I hope you don't because I think you're smarter than that. But maybe you think we're so stupid as to not see the false equivalence?

What Venger described in his post was getting banned from a private forum. I'm not saying getting banned is the same thing as criticism - but it's also not the same as harassment.

OF COURSE it's harassment. What's more, it's REAL harassment, not the pretend harassment the leftists invent to act like victims and demand people be destroyed, with stuff like "he publicly supported Trump and that hurts my feelings" or "he said things that offend me in a vague way as a woman/minority/alphabet-pronoun!!".
Venger's REAL Harassment included slander (being falsely called a "Nazi"), having his opportunity to do engage in commerce interfered with, and the intimidations of friends and clients.

And as far as I'm concerned at this point, all rules are out the window from this year onward. if we want to stop these Stalinist would-be mass-murderers, we have to do so with as much determination to hurt them as they have to hurt us.

So calling someone a Nazi is not OK, but calling someone a Stalinist (or the more common Marxist) is OK?

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 03:02:26 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 03, 2021, 02:52:19 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 01, 2021, 11:19:46 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 01, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
Venger - I understand you can get that impression from creating your RPGs and looking at discussion in left-leaning RPG forums. On the other hand, around here, what I see are constant complaints over newly-published left-leaning RPG products like Thirsty Sword Lesbians or Coyote & Crow, or just free game expansions like Sara Thompson's Combat Wheelchair.

I think in the current political climate, gamers of all politics are much more inclined to bitch about the other side than to talk constructively about their own games.

I don't condone calling someone a nazi who isn't one, but still, I'd call that more name-calling than harassment.

Yeah, because criticizing something is totally the same as what Venger is describing no?

Come on jhkim, I'm sure you can't believe that. I hope you don't because I think you're smarter than that. But maybe you think we're so stupid as to not see the false equivalence?

What Venger described in his post was getting banned from a private forum. I'm not saying getting banned is the same thing as criticism - but it's also not the same as harassment.

OF COURSE it's harassment. What's more, it's REAL harassment, not the pretend harassment the leftists invent to act like victims and demand people be destroyed, with stuff like "he publicly supported Trump and that hurts my feelings" or "he said things that offend me in a vague way as a woman/minority/alphabet-pronoun!!".
Venger's REAL Harassment included slander (being falsely called a "Nazi"), having his opportunity to do engage in commerce interfered with, and the intimidations of friends and clients.

And as far as I'm concerned at this point, all rules are out the window from this year onward. if we want to stop these Stalinist would-be mass-murderers, we have to do so with as much determination to hurt them as they have to hurt us.

So calling someone a Nazi is not OK, but calling someone a Stalinist (or the more common Marxist) is OK?

Falsely calling someone a Nazi vs acuratelly describing someone as a Stalinist/Marxist/Commiescum...

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 03:18:16 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 03:02:26 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 03, 2021, 02:52:19 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 01, 2021, 11:19:46 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 01, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
Venger - I understand you can get that impression from creating your RPGs and looking at discussion in left-leaning RPG forums. On the other hand, around here, what I see are constant complaints over newly-published left-leaning RPG products like Thirsty Sword Lesbians or Coyote & Crow, or just free game expansions like Sara Thompson's Combat Wheelchair.

I think in the current political climate, gamers of all politics are much more inclined to bitch about the other side than to talk constructively about their own games.

I don't condone calling someone a nazi who isn't one, but still, I'd call that more name-calling than harassment.

Yeah, because criticizing something is totally the same as what Venger is describing no?

Come on jhkim, I'm sure you can't believe that. I hope you don't because I think you're smarter than that. But maybe you think we're so stupid as to not see the false equivalence?

What Venger described in his post was getting banned from a private forum. I'm not saying getting banned is the same thing as criticism - but it's also not the same as harassment.

OF COURSE it's harassment. What's more, it's REAL harassment, not the pretend harassment the leftists invent to act like victims and demand people be destroyed, with stuff like "he publicly supported Trump and that hurts my feelings" or "he said things that offend me in a vague way as a woman/minority/alphabet-pronoun!!".
Venger's REAL Harassment included slander (being falsely called a "Nazi"), having his opportunity to do engage in commerce interfered with, and the intimidations of friends and clients.

And as far as I'm concerned at this point, all rules are out the window from this year onward. if we want to stop these Stalinist would-be mass-murderers, we have to do so with as much determination to hurt them as they have to hurt us.

So calling someone a Nazi is not OK, but calling someone a Stalinist (or the more common Marxist) is OK?

Falsely calling someone a Nazi vs acuratelly describing someone as a Stalinist/Marxist/Commiescum...

Oh please, there's no accuracy in either of them in the vast majority of uses. At this point, they are both just meaningless insults slung because the other person is on the other side of this nonsensical "culture war" bullshit. That you believe otherwise shows just how deluded and out of touch with reality you really are.

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 03:21:08 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 03, 2021, 03:18:16 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on October 03, 2021, 03:02:26 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 03, 2021, 02:52:19 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 02, 2021, 01:09:16 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 01, 2021, 11:19:46 PM

Quote from: jhkim on October 01, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
Venger - I understand you can get that impression from creating your RPGs and looking at discussion in left-leaning RPG forums. On the other hand, around here, what I see are constant complaints over newly-published left-leaning RPG products like Thirsty Sword Lesbians or Coyote & Crow, or just free game expansions like Sara Thompson's Combat Wheelchair.

I think in the current political climate, gamers of all politics are much more inclined to bitch about the other side than to talk constructively about their own games.

I don't condone calling someone a nazi who isn't one, but still, I'd call that more name-calling than harassment.

Yeah, because criticizing something is totally the same as what Venger is describing no?

Come on jhkim, I'm sure you can't believe that. I hope you don't because I think you're smarter than that. But maybe you think we're so stupid as to not see the false equivalence?

What Venger described in his post was getting banned from a private forum. I'm not saying getting banned is the same thing as criticism - but it's also not the same as harassment.

OF COURSE it's harassment. What's more, it's REAL harassment, not the pretend harassment the leftists invent to act like victims and demand people be destroyed, with stuff like "he publicly supported Trump and that hurts my feelings" or "he said things that offend me in a vague way as a woman/minority/alphabet-pronoun!!".
Venger's REAL Harassment included slander (being falsely called a "Nazi"), having his opportunity to do engage in commerce interfered with, and the intimidations of friends and clients.

And as far as I'm concerned at this point, all rules are out the window from this year onward. if we want to stop these Stalinist would-be mass-murderers, we have to do so with as much determination to hurt them as they have to hurt us.

So calling someone a Nazi is not OK, but calling someone a Stalinist (or the more common Marxist) is OK?

Falsely calling someone a Nazi vs acuratelly describing someone as a Stalinist/Marxist/Commiescum...

Oh please, there's no accuracy in either of them in the vast majority of uses. At this point, they are both just meaningless insults slung because the other person is on the other side. That you believe otherwise shows just how deluded and out of touch with reality you really are.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, sounds like a duck I'm sure it's not a chicken.

But I'll grant you this, SOME might just be usefull idiots of the commiescum.