Quote from: DocFlamingo on March 01, 2024, 11:18:21 PM
This is just one of those things where I think we're creating a situation that need not exist. I never really ran into these kinds of situations playing any game. I think a big problem is that in recent years these kinds of hostilities have been wildly exaggerated and encouraged by people who WANT groups at each other's throats because they see it as a path to power.

Take all the claims of hostility towards female players that had to be endured for so long unaddressed...  Never saw it back in the day (late 70's through the 80's). So few women played it was a score when you found one for your group and everyone seemed to go out of there way to make them feel at home. I'm sure there were assholes out there but this big, purvasive problem?  Never saw it--think it's made up by people with an agenda.

Pretty spot on. The first time we had girls in our gaming group was around 1988 and there were three of them. No issues at the table and we all got along. The whole "dark ages of gaming" for women trope is total bullshit.

Greetings!

Poor Seattle. Such a tragedy. And yet, well, fuck them. Let them rot, and wallow, and choke on the fucking cesspool if that city. Just like the crime-ingested, corrupt, blasted and poor cities everywhere run by fucking cuck Liberal Democrats.

I know all about it. I have watched in Los Angeles, and surrounding cities, that proceed to vote, year after year, for fucking Cuck Liberal Democrats. This is why the criminals are running free, killing you, or raping your daughters. Beating, robbery, and mayhem of every flavour. That's because Democrats believe that criminals are really resistance fighters, resisting the system of the evil, white Patriarchy. So, deep down, the Liberal Democrats think that criminals are really good people, they just need to be coddled and protected, and to be given their freedom to run through society how they want. Then, Liberal Democrats are soft in drugs, and drug related crimes. On and on and on, with Liberal Democrats' stupid, fucked up criminal policies, law enforcement, taxation, economic policies, education policies, down the list, the Liberal Democrats are a goddamn failure and a fucking shit show with everything.

But, the people keep voting these fucking morons into power, in election after election, for decades.

Guess what? All of that stupid train has compounding, growing effects that deepen, and become more entrenched and more severe as time goes on.

So, this here is what you can expect.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on March 02, 2024, 11:52:07 AM
Greetings!

Poor Seattle. Such a tragedy. And yet, well, fuck them. Let them rot, and wallow, and choke on the fucking cesspool if that city. Just like the crime-ingested, corrupt, blasted and poor cities everywhere run by fucking cuck Liberal Democrats.

I know all about it. I have watched in Los Angeles, and surrounding cities, that proceed to vote, year after year, for fucking Cuck Liberal Democrats. This is why the criminals are running free, killing you, or raping your daughters. Beating, robbery, and mayhem of every flavour. That's because Democrats believe that criminals are really resistance fighters, resisting the system of the evil, white Patriarchy. So, deep down, the Liberal Democrats think that criminals are really good people, they just need to be coddled and protected, and to be given their freedom to run through society how they want. Then, Liberal Democrats are soft in drugs, and drug related crimes. On and on and on, with Liberal Democrats' stupid, fucked up criminal policies, law enforcement, taxation, economic policies, education policies, down the list, the Liberal Democrats are a goddamn failure and a fucking shit show with everything.

But, the people keep voting these fucking morons into power, in election after election, for decades.

Guess what? All of that stupid train has compounding, growing effects that deepen, and become more entrenched and more severe as time goes on.

So, this here is what you can expect.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Well, to be fair, the last several years have shown us that any area where liberals have entrenched themselves politically there is no voting them out. Once in office they are constantly re-SELECTED year after year. A commie attached to power is just like a tick. Sucking the area dry they cannot be voted out. They must be plucked out and burned in the kitchen sink.

Quote from: SHARK on March 02, 2024, 11:52:07 AM
I know all about it. I have watched in Los Angeles, and surrounding cities, that proceed to vote, year after year, for fucking Cuck Liberal Democrats. This is why the criminals are running free, killing you, or raping your daughters. Beating, robbery, and mayhem of every flavour. That's because Democrats believe that criminals are really resistance fighters, resisting the system of the evil, white Patriarchy.

And yet the murder rate in Texas is still higher than the murder rate in California. (CA 5.7 murders per 100k vs TX 6.7 murders per 100k) More broadly, there's no trend of Republican-controlled states having lower rates than Democrat-controlled states. The five states with the highest murder rates are Louisiana, New Mexico, South Carolina, Alabama, and Arkansas.

To bring this back to gaming and the original post,

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 25, 2024, 04:16:53 PM
IN MY Pulp Settings/Games, Racismus, Sexismus & Istophobismus are the exclusive province of the Villains and maybe the NPCs in certain parts of the world, of course I don't limit my Istophobes to being ONLY white or hating on "Teh Diversity TM". So Fu-Manchu hates westerners and thinks ANYONE not a Han Chinese inferior, got a problem with that? My table isn't for you.

NOW, having a Woman, Non-White PC provides for lots of interesting conflicts and RP. Why would I limit my self or my players simply because BACK THEN women were in the kitchen making samwhiches and Non-Whites and Whites didn't mix together?

It's not the "Real World TM" I'm trying to emulate, but a Pulp world that just happens to look a lote like the real one.

I think this can work really well. It's similar to how I've been doing my Incan-inspired high fantasy game. I pull in some parts of history, but it's more about an idealized fantasy, like Arthurian legend or Middle Earth.

There's tons of possibilities for interesting conflict and role-play without bigotry. Heck, there are plenty of villains possible without bringing in bigotry.

But a gritty, more history-authentic game with bigotry can also work. In the real-world 1920s, whites and non-whites did mix together - just not as much as today. There were segregation laws, but there were also plenty of mixed-race families and unsegregated businesses and neighborhoods. Having real-world bigotry can make for interesting play as well.

I used to love 1920s era gaming - Cthulhu or Pulp Action (or both mixed), but I doubt I'll ever run faux-historical RPGs in the future. I don't want any noise at the table about any SJW bullshit.

Faux-historical RPGing is always fraught with issues, and not just from libtards. People view history through different lenses - fictional vs real sources, books vs movies, casual interest vs. hardcore, etc. And then what part of "history" even matter for the game? Is it what's happening globally? Locally? Just set dressing and tech limitations?

AKA, how much different is your 1890s vs 1920s Cthulhu campaign? For those who have studied history, those are radically different eras. But to most players? The 1890s don't have tommy guns and electricity is rare, aka Westerns.

Also, faux-historical sets up even MOAR campaign setup issues. Now you have players who don't have any historical education (thanks to our lovely failed education system) so they have EQUAL attachment to New Orleans 1923 as they do to Venger's Cha'alt.

The only answer I know is to curate your RPG table to people who enjoy what you enjoy and who won't bring their stupid to the table. But I don't think that's possible with libtard scum so my caveat is curate your table with your people.

As for the odd thread digression into real world crime rates, the answer is simple: race matters, whether you like it or not.

Quote from: Spinachcat on March 03, 2024, 12:08:11 AMI used to love 1920s era gaming - Cthulhu or Pulp Action (or both mixed), but I doubt I'll ever run faux-historical RPGs in the future. I don't want any noise at the table about any SJW bullshit.

Sad but true. Deadlands used to be an interesting setting...now...not so much.

Quote from: jhkim on March 02, 2024, 08:19:03 PM
And yet the murder rate in Texas is still higher than the murder rate in California. (CA 5.7 murders per 100k vs TX 6.7 murders per 100k)

Murder rates tend to be dominated by race & ethnicity. Texas vs California is interesting though, as both are heavily Latino. From what I know Texas Latinos are much better integrated than California Latinos, BUT Texas whites are much shootier than California whites, and that is the culture Texas Latinos largely share. The most shooty whites are in Nevada BTW, dominated by Las Vegas.

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 03, 2024, 02:04:38 AMSad but true. Deadlands used to be an interesting setting...now...not so much.

They absolutely gutted it, and made Hell On Earth obsolete.

Quote from: Grognard GM on March 03, 2024, 08:39:51 AMThey absolutely gutted it, and made Hell On Earth obsolete.

Yep. Without USA vs CSA as the backdrop all the settings, minus Dark Ages, become less interesting. All because the perpetually offended lefties cannot allow any kind of alternate history where maybe the CSA wasn't being run by total clods.....

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Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 01, 2024, 06:52:31 PM
If anything, Seattle is a great setting for a dystopian near future collapse RPG.

Yes, but to truly make it playable you need sympathetic playable characters. So you'd have to be playing some type of outsider to the city (perhaps stranded due to connecting flight issues when everything goes sideways). The natives are the threats to your survival and the goal is survive long enough to be able to escape.

Or the Western trope "We're here to clean up this town!"
Would it be more like a Paladin "Who was that Masked Man?"
or some skinny guy with a charoot, in a serape?

Quote from: Exploderwizard on March 02, 2024, 10:20:03 AM

Quote from: DocFlamingo on March 01, 2024, 11:18:21 PM
This is just one of those things where I think we're creating a situation that need not exist. I never really ran into these kinds of situations playing any game. I think a big problem is that in recent years these kinds of hostilities have been wildly exaggerated and encouraged by people who WANT groups at each other's throats because they see it as a path to power.

Take all the claims of hostility towards female players that had to be endured for so long unaddressed...  Never saw it back in the day (late 70's through the 80's). So few women played it was a score when you found one for your group and everyone seemed to go out of there way to make them feel at home. I'm sure there were assholes out there but this big, purvasive problem?  Never saw it--think it's made up by people with an agenda.

Pretty spot on. The first time we had girls in our gaming group was around 1988 and there were three of them. No issues at the table and we all got along. The whole "dark ages of gaming" for women trope is total bullshit.

My experience exactly.

If anything, I would say some of my friend groups were too accommodating towards the female players. Fudging rolls to have their characters succeed with impossible odds. Letting them have unique wondrous items that were custom made for their characters. Creating homebrew races/classes/kits for their own use alone.

Basically, some friends that I played with as a player really really bent over backwards to please the female crowd. I never saw one female player being made fun of, bullied, hit on/cat called, or being a victim of sexism.

One girl always, almost without fail, would ask if a male NPC that was just introduced was "handsome". If the DM said he was, then her character would hit on him. This was her thing. It wasn't just one character, it was every character she played and almost every male NPC, unless it was either too old or too young.

Everyone rolled their eyes at this, but she never got called out on her behavior and was never not invited to play.

Quote from: Cipher on March 04, 2024, 01:35:45 AM
One girl always, almost without fail, would ask if a male NPC that was just introduced was "handsome". If the DM said he was, then her character would hit on him. This was her thing. It wasn't just one character, it was every character she played and almost every male NPC, unless it was either too old or too young.

Everyone rolled their eyes at this, but she never got called out on her behavior and was never not invited to play.

Ha! I had a female player who was forever interested in romance. I was a little surprised the first time it came up because I'd never had a player seek such a thing in-game before. I eventually got her married off to a wonderfully doting shepherd boy.

Quote from: Zalman on March 04, 2024, 07:30:47 AM
Ha! I had a female player who was forever interested in romance. I was a little surprised the first time it came up because I'd never had a player seek such a thing in-game before. I eventually got her married off to a wonderfully doting shepherd boy.

"As you wish."