Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 01, 2024, 03:28:47 AMI'm not sure I buy the '5E is the best selling version ever' line because its too pat. Its exactly the kind of statement WotC would make to try and downplay how the game grew from its start.

Hasbro very rarely makes statements about D&D sales. And when they do, they always talk about the "Bestselling WOTC version" of D&D. They even split the sales of 3e and 3.5e into two different "versions" to give 5e the best chance. Hasbro's own quarterly financial statements are also super vague about D&D sales, often lumping all D&D related products (shirts, action figures, board games and video games) together an a "Brand Portfolio", making it almost impossible to figure out which portion of that is tabletop RPGs.

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Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 01, 2024, 03:28:47 AMI'm not sure I buy the '5E is the best selling version ever' line because its too pat. Its exactly the kind of statement WotC would make to try and downplay how the game grew from its start.

Hasbro very rarely makes statements about D&D sales. And when they do, they always talk about the "Bestselling WOTC version" of D&D. They even split the sales of 3e and 3.5e into two different "versions" to give 5e the best chance. Hasbro's own quarterly financial statements are also super vague about D&D sales, often lumping all D&D related products (shirts, action figures, board games and video games) together an a "Brand Portfolio", making it almost impossible to figure out which portion of that is tabletop RPGs.

Working as intended. It should surprise no one that Hasbro couldn't give a fuck about TTRPGs. The only important thing is how much revenue can be squeezed out of the D&D BRAND.

Just watched the video.  I gotta say, I've never been that interested in dragonlance before, I read maybe the first two books and didn't get into it, I tried playing in the setting a few times but just didn't get that interested.  I do like Joe's passion for the project he was trying to create though, his pitch for the show actually sounds interested and I probably would have watched the show.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 29, 2024, 04:48:26 PM5E has sold more units than 1E and its easier to teach to new players today and would have been easier than 1E in 1978 to teach.

1E had 17 printings by its final release in 1990 (which was a year into 2E). How many printings has 5E had?

You aren't going to know, the difference is 1E wasn't international, it had some, but not to the extent 5E, why?  No internet VTT's to the extent we have now.  5E isn't only printed its digital, most people are playing online more than with a pen and paper.  The game I just GM'd now at the hobby shop used my portable VTT, using my laptop to run my maps and D&D Beyond for my old saved digital content.  Why?  Because I'm already carrying a very large third party paper book and I don't want to carry around 4 large D&D 5E books as well.

I get what you are saying about printings, this isn't about printings its about people who bought the content to use and play.

This is about as close as you'll get for D&D Historical Sales Data, that came from Paul Stromberg who does have access to Gygax's papers through Gygax's widow.  If its to be trusted, then not as much as 5E.  5E has about 5M+ players typically spouted off digital and paper.

https://mystical-trash-heap.blogspot.com/2022/08/d-historical-sales-data.html

Given what I've seen of the 5e player base I can almost guarantee those aren't dedicated figures.

In the next 5-10 years we'll see a shitton more 5e books in used shops, I'd wager, once it's no longer hip to be square.

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 01, 2024, 10:39:25 AM
Just watched the video.  I gotta say, I've never been that interested in dragonlance before, I read maybe the first two books and didn't get into it, I tried playing in the setting a few times but just didn't get that interested.  I do like Joe's passion for the project he was trying to create though, his pitch for the show actually sounds interested and I probably would have watched the show.

The only thing I didn't go for was the HBO part, the minute they bring out porn actresses with a rubber dragon mask on is when I nope out to have healing dragon sex I'm out.  Maybe on second viewing.

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 01, 2024, 10:39:25 AM
Just watched the video.  I gotta say, I've never been that interested in dragonlance before, I read maybe the first two books and didn't get into it, I tried playing in the setting a few times but just didn't get that interested.  I do like Joe's passion for the project he was trying to create though, his pitch for the show actually sounds interested and I probably would have watched the show.

The only thing I didn't go for was the HBO part, the minute they bring out porn actresses with a rubber dragon mask on is when I nope out to have healing dragon sex I'm out.  Maybe on second viewing.

Yeah, I agree, like.. we don't need a D&D version of GoT

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on February 29, 2024, 06:41:07 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on February 29, 2024, 04:48:26 PM5E has sold more units than 1E and its easier to teach to new players today and would have been easier than 1E in 1978 to teach.

1E had 17 printings by its final release in 1990 (which was a year into 2E). How many printings has 5E had?

The 1e PHB sold a total of 1.57 Million copies in its run.

The 5e PHB sold that much JUST in the big box stores. With all the other point of sales, it sold somewhere between 3-5 Million copies.

5e outsold AD&D.

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 01, 2024, 10:39:25 AM
Just watched the video.  I gotta say, I've never been that interested in dragonlance before, I read maybe the first two books and didn't get into it, I tried playing in the setting a few times but just didn't get that interested.  I do like Joe's passion for the project he was trying to create though, his pitch for the show actually sounds interested and I probably would have watched the show.

The only thing I didn't go for was the HBO part, the minute they bring out porn actresses with a rubber dragon mask on is when I nope out to have healing dragon sex I'm out.  Maybe on second viewing.

Yeah, I agree, like.. we don't need a D&D version of GoT

Which is exactly what we would have gotten. It also would have been woke as fuck and thus betrayed most of its original concept.

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 01, 2024, 10:39:25 AM
Just watched the video.  I gotta say, I've never been that interested in dragonlance before, I read maybe the first two books and didn't get into it, I tried playing in the setting a few times but just didn't get that interested.  I do like Joe's passion for the project he was trying to create though, his pitch for the show actually sounds interested and I probably would have watched the show.

The only thing I didn't go for was the HBO part, the minute they bring out porn actresses with a rubber dragon mask on is when I nope out to have healing dragon sex I'm out.  Maybe on second viewing.

Yeah, I agree, like.. we don't need a D&D version of GoT

Which is exactly what we would have gotten. It also would have been woke as fuck and thus betrayed most of its original concept.

Is Joe woke? I'm not really that familiar with him, he seems like he's pretty cool.   Or are you thinking that the studio or something else would have meddled with the show to make it woke?

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on February 29, 2024, 06:41:07 PM
1E had 17 printings by its final release in 1990 (which was a year into 2E). How many printings has 5E had?

Doesn't it depend upon how large each print run is?

Quote from: RPGPundit on March 01, 2024, 04:02:19 PM5e outsold AD&D.

And all the other books? 1E isn't just the PHB, its an entire product line.

Quote from: tenbones on February 29, 2024, 11:27:22 AM
Best way to piss them off is to not buy their products. Let them drown.

yup.

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 01, 2024, 10:39:25 AM
Just watched the video.  I gotta say, I've never been that interested in dragonlance before, I read maybe the first two books and didn't get into it, I tried playing in the setting a few times but just didn't get that interested.  I do like Joe's passion for the project he was trying to create though, his pitch for the show actually sounds interested and I probably would have watched the show.

The only thing I didn't go for was the HBO part, the minute they bring out porn actresses with a rubber dragon mask on is when I nope out to have healing dragon sex I'm out.  Maybe on second viewing.

Yeah, I agree, like.. we don't need a D&D version of GoT

Which is exactly what we would have gotten. It also would have been woke as fuck and thus betrayed most of its original concept.

I respectfully disagree.  It would have been true blood with dragons instead of fang bangers.  True blood had the strong woman trope with the golden pussy trope and anti-Christianity/homosexuality.  Dragonlance is an allegory for mormonism, and restoring religion to the land in one aspect.  So its going to be hard to remove that concept, its pretty much embedded into the lore.  It has the heroes journey as well.  I always thought of it as Star Wars with Mormons and Dragons.  They can put titties in it, its still going to mormonism with dragons with strong moral values on right and wrong.  Especially with help from Weiss and Hickman which I believe Joe alluded to.  But hey its all supposition and we'll never see it till Hasbro goes completely bankrupt and can no longer be used as a mouthpieces for guys who slice their dicks down the middle, cut off their balls and make a wound for gay men to use to pleasure themselves, you know woundophiles.

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Quote from: Banjo Destructo on March 01, 2024, 10:39:25 AM
Just watched the video.  I gotta say, I've never been that interested in dragonlance before, I read maybe the first two books and didn't get into it, I tried playing in the setting a few times but just didn't get that interested.  I do like Joe's passion for the project he was trying to create though, his pitch for the show actually sounds interested and I probably would have watched the show.

The only thing I didn't go for was the HBO part, the minute they bring out porn actresses with a rubber dragon mask on is when I nope out to have healing dragon sex I'm out.  Maybe on second viewing.

Yeah, I agree, like.. we don't need a D&D version of GoT

Which is exactly what we would have gotten. It also would have been woke as fuck and thus betrayed most of its original concept.

Is Joe woke? I'm not really that familiar with him, he seems like he's pretty cool.   Or are you thinking that the studio or something else would have meddled with the show to make it woke?

No no, the studio! Joe wouldn't be allowed to get his way and they'd demand DEI changes.