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R.I.P. Jennell Jaquays

Started by GeekyBugle, January 10, 2024, 12:45:43 PM

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Ratman_tf

#285
February 02, 2024, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on February 02, 2024, 08:49:00 PM
I may be alone in this but I'd never heard of the Jaquays until the Alexandrian article. I was big into RuneQuest and although its always on a pedestal I never liked Griffin Mountain (could have been Greg Stafford's fault as he did a major rewrite), I had Hellpits of Nightfang but thought it was dull and uninspired (and I blamed Judge's Guild). After the Alexandrian article I bought Caverns of Thracia and it was pretty good but the whole elevation to one of the greats thing that I've seen in the last half decade baffles me, must be the they did their best work on the D&D side.

Yeah. The Jaquays article was a good insight, but there were lots of people making good stuff during the early years of the hobby. It's not like Jaquays really stood out until mentioned in The Alexandrian, and for a common dungeon design idea that got lost when adventures went linear railroad scripted.
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capvideo

#286
February 03, 2024, 12:48:47 PM Last Edit: February 03, 2024, 12:50:28 PM by capvideo
Quote from: Ruprecht on February 02, 2024, 08:49:00 PM
I may be alone in this but I'd never heard of the Jaquays until the Alexandrian article.

While the Alexandrian article reminded me of how good they were, both Dark Tower and Caverns of Thracia (and, to a lesser extent, the non-Jaquays Glory Hole Dwarven Mine and Tegel Manor) were legendary when I gamed in the early to mid eighties. They were also practically unobtainable, as Judges Guild was beginning to fail and our area had no dedicated gaming stores to begin with.

We rarely paid attention to author names (the format of modules at the time didn't lend itself to obvious writing styles like the PHB and DMG did) so I didn't know about Paul Jaquays (or Edward Mortimer) until much later. But the modules were well-known, well-respected, and coveted.

Thorn Drumheller

#287
February 03, 2024, 01:45:38 PM
I'm gonna be a big meanny. But who gives a shit anymore. Loads of family and friends die everyday. Yes Jennell ne Paul was influential in the early part of the adventure game phenomenon.

I respect the contributions, I really do. Fun times were had in those dungeons and designs. It's a fact we are mortal and die. People are acting like just because Jennell was trans that it means something. Bullshit.
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Llew ap Hywel

#288
February 03, 2024, 06:34:51 PM
Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on February 03, 2024, 01:45:38 PM
I'm gonna be a big meanny. But who gives a shit anymore. Loads of family and friends die everyday. Yes Jennell ne Paul was influential in the early part of the adventure game phenomenon.

I respect the contributions, I really do. Fun times were had in those dungeons and designs. It's a fact we are mortal and die. People are acting like just because Jennell was trans that it means something. Bullshit.

Huge number of dicks in this thread needing to make a point. I don't care what Jennell wanted to identify as or call themselves. All I care about is Griffin Mountain and Savage North were damn fine products that brought me a lot of pleasure and I'm grateful for that. Am I gonna wear ash cloth, fuck no, but recognising that contribution without getting on a soapbox isn't going to hurt anyone.
Talk gaming or talk to someone else.

Brad

#289
February 03, 2024, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 03, 2024, 06:34:51 PM
Huge number of dicks in this thread needing to make a point. I don't care what Jennell wanted to identify as or call themselves. All I care about is Griffin Mountain and Savage North were damn fine products that brought me a lot of pleasure and I'm grateful for that. Am I gonna wear ash cloth, fuck no, but recognising that contribution without getting on a soapbox isn't going to hurt anyone.

Well, yeah, Jaquays was an excellent game designer, no doubt. As I already said in this thread, I think Duck Tower is the best work. I'm also a fan of the Central Casting stuff. I met him/her/whatever multiple times at NTRPGCon, never had one issue. So, believe it or not, you can think someone is mentally ill and needs help but still think they did good work and are cool to hang out with. It's entirely possible.
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Omega

#290
February 03, 2024, 09:32:09 PM
Quote from: blackstone on February 02, 2024, 12:34:15 PM
The NYT, the "alleged" newspaper of journalistic integrity, used a AI generated image.

Wow....just...wow.

Did they go on to mention that he's transgender, or was that memory-holed?

Big business and mig business are starting to push AI harder. I had windows load up and part of the splash art text was an advertisement for ChatGPT. A WTF moment.

Llew ap Hywel

#291
February 04, 2024, 04:37:33 AM
Quote from: Brad on February 03, 2024, 08:50:20 PM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 03, 2024, 06:34:51 PM
Huge number of dicks in this thread needing to make a point. I don't care what Jennell wanted to identify as or call themselves. All I care about is Griffin Mountain and Savage North were damn fine products that brought me a lot of pleasure and I'm grateful for that. Am I gonna wear ash cloth, fuck no, but recognising that contribution without getting on a soapbox isn't going to hurt anyone.

Well, yeah, Jaquays was an excellent game designer, no doubt. As I already said in this thread, I think Duck Tower is the best work. I'm also a fan of the Central Casting stuff. I met him/her/whatever multiple times at NTRPGCon, never had one issue. So, believe it or not, you can think someone is mentally ill and needs help but still think they did good work and are cool to hang out with. It's entirely possible.

I don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.
Talk gaming or talk to someone else.

mcbobbo

#292
February 04, 2024, 08:43:03 AM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 04:37:33 AM
I don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.

Yes, who ever heard of discussion around a noteworthy event?  Such boors.  I shall clutch my pearls even closer!
"It is the mark of an [intelligent] mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

Llew ap Hywel

#293
February 04, 2024, 10:13:11 AM
Quote from: mcbobbo on February 04, 2024, 08:43:03 AM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 04:37:33 AM
I don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.

Yes, who ever heard of discussion around a noteworthy event?  Such boors.  I shall clutch my pearls even closer!

Congrats.
Talk gaming or talk to someone else.

Grognard GM

#294
February 04, 2024, 03:11:33 PM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 04:37:33 AMI don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.

Do you consider it dickish to point out that Paul Jaquays created everything people enjoyed, then when they transitioned to Jennell Jaquays all they created was drama? The change seems to demonstrably have snuffed their creative spark.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

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Llew ap Hywel

#295
February 04, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.
Talk gaming or talk to someone else.

Grognard GM

#296
February 04, 2024, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.

Then we disagree. I think your net for 'dickishness' is way too broad, and you seem to think a gaming forum is the obituary page.

A past game designer died, and the games they created in the past, and how they lived post-game creator, are the things that interest us.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Llew ap Hywel

#297
February 04, 2024, 03:53:39 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.

Then we disagree. I think your net for 'dickishness' is way too broad, and you seem to think a gaming forum is the obituary page.

A past game designer died, and the games they created in the past, and how they lived post-game creator, are the things that interest us.

Yet strangely it ain't the games people are talking about.
Talk gaming or talk to someone else.

Grognard GM

#298
February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 03:53:39 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 03:50:41 PM
Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.

Then we disagree. I think your net for 'dickishness' is way too broad, and you seem to think a gaming forum is the obituary page.

A past game designer died, and the games they created in the past, and how they lived post-game creator, are the things that interest us.

Yet strangely it ain't the games people are talking about.

You can thank Pawsplay for 90% of that.

Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.
I'm a middle aged guy with a lot of free time, looking for similar, to form a group for regular gaming. You should be chill, non-woke, and have time on your hands.

See below:

https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/looking-to-form-a-group-of-people-with-lots-of-spare-time-for-regular-games/

Ruprecht

#299
February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.
The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard
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