R.I.P. Jennell Jaquays

mcbobbo · January 25, 2024, 02:10:18 PM

Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:07:56 PM
this thread is veritable freak show. first it was one lousy troll trying to fuck it up, but now he's sparring with a whole bunch resident anti-vaxers.
well, okay then.

I like how the othering and labels are so easy to use for drive-bys like this.

I like vaccines. I don't believe they cause autism. I think they should be in development until they are proven via testing to do what they say they do without killing people.

That's only "anti-vax" if you're a drug company who feels they have the right to kill people for profit. To anyone else, it's simply "reasonable".

Use science. Test your shit. Only sell stuff that's not snake oil.

pawsplay · January 25, 2024, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere was absolutely no secrecy involved.

I've already identified two examples who were not aware this death was due to an immune system attacking its own nerves.

One of them was someone who failed to read Wikipedia properly.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMAll of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

Who is this person you feel I should be on a first name basis with? If I go look at all the Rebeccas on my own Facebook, I find no such documentation. Is it possible you're in some kind of inner circle that the rest of us are not? Could your bias be showing here?

Jennell's wife.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMMost cases of Guillain–Barré are simply triggered by an infection. Vaccine reactions are rare.

I'm unclear how your qualifications exceed those of the Mayo Clinic. Please elaborate.

Quote from: The Mayo Clinic
The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome is unknown. But two-thirds of patients report symptoms of an infection in the six weeks preceding. These include a COVID-19, respiratory or a gastrointestinal infection or Zika virus.

Link

One does not speak unless one knows.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMIt's still possible there was a vaccine proximate to her illness, but there is no FB post that day to the effect of "well, going to go get stuck" or anything, as is customary among the tribe of vaxxers. So I think that's less likely.

You find random, unexplained infection MORE PLAUSIBLE than an experimental thing that was tested on only six laboratory mice? Do you really? Really, really?

Six laboratory mice? That's no way to talk about my children. Who were participants in a two year long clinical trial for a COVID vaccine.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere is still plenty of time to give, if you are able to help.

Again with the inner circle. Virtue signal received, thank you. Give to whom, in what way, and for what reason? I communicate poorly, but I dare say you're worse.

What? You have an issue with helping people?

Inner circle? You mean a few hundred of her closest Facebook friends, all of her wife's Facebook friends, various sympathetic RPG industry friends who boosted her story? Steve Jackson games? Absolutely everyone on every major RPG board, including this one, if people bothered to read? Basically, absolutely anyone who knew her at all or became curious about her when her situation started making the rounds? That inner circle?

Klava · January 25, 2024, 02:17:48 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:10:18 PM
I like vaccines. I don't believe they cause autism. I think they should be in development until they are proven via testing to do what they say they do without killing people.

That's only "anti-vax" if you're a drug company who feels they have the right to kill people for profit. To anyone else, it's simply "reasonable".

Use science. Test your shit. Only sell stuff that's not snake oil.

i agree with every word. now, let's see:

Quote from: www.mayoclinic.org
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793

The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome isn't known. The disorder usually appears days or weeks after a respiratory or digestive tract infection. Rarely, recent surgery or vaccination can trigger Guillain-Barre syndrome. There have been cases reported following infection with the Zika virus. Guillain-Barre syndrome may occur after infection with the COVID-19 virus. It's also a rare reaction in those who receive the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

these are not the ~~droids~~ horrible covid vaccine side effects that are "more plausible than random, unexplained infection" you are looking for. nothing to see here. move along.

Mistwell · January 25, 2024, 02:21:48 PM

I see Jaquays has a credit on WG7: Castle Greyhawk, for "Level 4: There's No Place Like Up". Remind me, is that the "We're going to mock Castle Greyhawk" thing, or is that the "Genuine Castle Greyhawk goodness" thing? I think it was the mocking one but I can't recall.

[Edit - I see it is the mocking one on looking it up, and Jaquays contribution is one of the few levels people seemed to like as it made a 2-dimensional dungeon with up/down replacing north/south.]

mcbobbo · January 25, 2024, 02:29:09 PM

Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:17:48 PM

Quote from: www.mayoclinic.org
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793

The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome isn't known. The disorder usually appears days or weeks after a respiratory or digestive tract infection. Rarely, recent surgery or vaccination can trigger Guillain-Barre syndrome. There have been cases reported following infection with the Zika virus. Guillain-Barre syndrome may occur after infection with the COVID-19 virus. It's also a rare reaction in those who receive the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

these are not the ~~droids~~ horrible covid vaccine side effects that are "more plausible than random, unexplained infection" you are looking for. nothing to see here. move along.

Bolded points speak for themselves.

You have every right to be dogmatic. I fully support freedom of religion, including the religion of Science (capital "S") as defined by "I do what the news people are paid to tell me to do". It just isn't terribly compelling to me as I already have a religion I prefer.

pawsplay · January 25, 2024, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:29:09 PM
Bolded points speak for themselves.

You have every right to be dogmatic. I fully support freedom of religion, including the religion of Science (capital "S") as defined by "I do what the news people are paid to tell me to do". It just isn't terribly compelling to me as I already have a religion I prefer.

First Church of Ignoring Your Own Sources?

mcbobbo · January 25, 2024, 02:36:15 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 02:34:27 PM
Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:29:09 PM
Bolded points speak for themselves.

You have every right to be dogmatic. I fully support freedom of religion, including the religion of Science (capital "S") as defined by "I do what the news people are paid to tell me to do". It just isn't terribly compelling to me as I already have a religion I prefer.

First Church of Ignoring Your Own Sources?

Why leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

I'm supposed to trust you when you behave like this?

Or perhaps that statement wasn't meant for me but as another virtue signal to allies?

Rhetorical...

pawsplay · January 25, 2024, 03:02:38 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:36:15 PM
Why leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

I'm supposed to trust you when you behave like this?

Or perhaps that statement wasn't meant for me but as another virtue signal to allies?

Rhetorical...

I don't quite know how to respond to it. Do you know what the word "rare" means? You suggested the Mayo Clinic would disagree with me. The Mayo Clinic says no one knows the cause, per se, but infections commonly precede G-B, and vaccines rarely do. This supports my statement that G-B is generally believed to be caused mostly by infections, and rarely by vaccines. Since you don't seem to be able to understand those words, I don't know how to understand it for you.

Grognard GM · January 25, 2024, 03:13:21 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:36:15 PMWhy leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

Removing parts they don't like is kind of their raison d'être.

pawsplay · January 25, 2024, 03:21:34 PM

The way I had it posted broke the link. I've edited the post so you can find it more easily.

It's not a "part I don't like," I just didn't paste in the whole page. What it says 100% backs up what I said.

mcbobbo · January 25, 2024, 03:29:51 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 03:02:38 PM
Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:36:15 PM
Why leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

I'm supposed to trust you when you behave like this?

Or perhaps that statement wasn't meant for me but as another virtue signal to allies?

Rhetorical...

I don't quite know how to respond to it. Do you know what the word "rare" means? You suggested the Mayo Clinic would disagree with me. The Mayo Clinic says no one knows the cause, per se, but infections commonly precede G-B, and vaccines rarely do. This supports my statement that G-B is generally believed to be caused mostly by infections, and rarely by vaccines. Since you don't seem to be able to understand those words, I don't know how to understand it for you.

You said it was known to be due to infection 66% of the time. The Mayo Clinic says the cause in generally unknowable because the science has not been done. They do know, however, that two of the discontinued vaccines saw it in their side effects list. There is a conversational-strength link between the condition and direct manipulation of immunity.

The only way you can certain I am wrong is dogma.

I'm not going to exhume and autopsy Janell Jaquays to settle this argument with you.

Believe what you wish.

Brad · January 25, 2024, 03:34:30 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 02:14:42 PM
Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 01:12:04 PM
Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere was absolutely no secrecy involved.

I've already identified two examples who were not aware this death was due to an immune system attacking its own nerves.

One of them was someone who failed to read Wikipedia properly.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMAll of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

Who is this person you feel I should be on a first name basis with? If I go look at all the Rebeccas on my own Facebook, I find no such documentation. Is it possible you're in some kind of inner circle that the rest of us are not? Could your bias be showing here?

Jennell's wife.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMMost cases of Guillain–Barré are simply triggered by an infection. Vaccine reactions are rare.

I'm unclear how your qualifications exceed those of the Mayo Clinic. Please elaborate.
Quote from: The Mayo Clinic
The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome is unknown. But two-thirds of patients report symptoms of an infection in the six weeks preceding. These include a COVID-19, respiratory or a gastrointestinal infection or Zika virus.
Link

One does not speak unless one knows.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMIt's still possible there was a vaccine proximate to her illness, but there is no FB post that day to the effect of "well, going to go get stuck" or anything, as is customary among the tribe of vaxxers. So I think that's less likely.

You find random, unexplained infection MORE PLAUSIBLE than an experimental thing that was tested on only six laboratory mice? Do you really? Really, really?

Six laboratory mice? That's no way to talk about my children. Who were participants in a two year long clinical trial for a COVID vaccine.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere is still plenty of time to give, if you are able to help.

Again with the inner circle. Virtue signal received, thank you. Give to whom, in what way, and for what reason? I communicate poorly, but I dare say you're worse.

What? You have an issue with helping people?

Inner circle? You mean a few hundred of her closest Facebook friends, all of her wife's Facebook friends, various sympathetic RPG industry friends who boosted her story? Steve Jackson games? Absolutely everyone on every major RPG board, including this one, if people bothered to read? Basically, absolutely anyone who knew her at all or became curious about her when her situation started making the rounds? That inner circle?

Can a mod threadban this fuck for continuing to post off-topic well past the point of absurdity?

mcbobbo · January 25, 2024, 03:35:44 PM

Quote from: Brad on January 25, 2024, 03:34:30 PM
Can a mod threadban this fuck for continuing to post off-topic well past the point of absurdity?

Kisses.

Ratman_tf · January 25, 2024, 04:06:31 PM

Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:07:56 PM
this thread is veritable freak show. first it was one lousy troll trying to fuck it up, but now he's sparring with a whole bunch resident anti-vaxers.
well, okay then.

Well, that reply was helpful in getting things back on track.

Cathode Ray · January 25, 2024, 04:28:33 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 02:14:42 PM
One of them was someone who failed to read Wikipedia properly.

Not that one can trust Wikipedia even if you could read it.

Quote from: pawsplay
Jennell's wife.

*Husband

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Inner circle? You mean a few hundred of ~~her~~ EDIT: his closest Facebook friends, all of ~~her wife's~~ EDIT: his husband's Facebook friends, various sympathetic RPG industry friends who boosted ~~her~~ EDIT: his story? Steve Jackson games?

SJG are part of "The" Science get your vaccine cult, so if the vaccine was involved in his illness and death, they would dismiss it outright.