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Whatever you think of the person you can't deny the influence. Rest In Peace may your soul finally find peace.

I was reading down the wiki thinking "what an unusual, impressive list of gaming achievements for a woman..."

Saw the thread title and thought "oh no"
I don't know much of Jaquays past "Jaquaying the dungeon", but that was a really great article.
RIP.

Quote from: En WorldJennell Jaquays was an important figure in the development of Dungeons & Dragons and the tabletop roleplaying game industry. She passed away today at the age of 68. Known for her work on Dark Tower and Caverns of Thracia, she was a game designer and artist; she was responsible for many RPG covers, including Dragon Mountain. Jennell worked for TSR, Judges Guild, and Chaosium, amongst others, as well as video game companies, working on Quake and Age of Empires, and was also a an activist for trans rights, instrumental in brining about important legislation as creative director for the Transgender Human Rights Institute. Jenny had been suffering from Guillain-Barré syndrome in recent years.

(Source: https://www.enworld.org/threads/industry-veteran-jennell-jaquays-passes.702020/)

Very sad news. Rest in peace, Jennell.

RIP.

One of the greats, and a very cool person, besides.

Her wife Becky has put on a brave face, but this is just so awful.

I won't talk about his character issues, but when it comes to gaming, he was a pioneer in the industry.
I'll be praying for him.

Loved Campaign Sourcebook and Catacomb Guide. It was one the books that shaped my view of D&D back in the early 90s.  :'(

Met her last year at NTRPG Con and we briefly discussed the classic Judges Guild modules and Goodman's plans for updates.  Very friendly person who clearly loved the hobby.  Also wrote one of the Master adventures, Talons of Night for BECMI, among other things.

FYI--Goodman Games will soon be releasing an expanded, multi-volume version of The Dark Tower for DCC, that will include a reprint of the original Judges Guild module.  Reportedly they also had plans to give Caverns of Thracia the same treatment, but not sure what will happen on that front given this news.

And yes, I know Goodman has recently tarnished their once good name with ridiculous virtue-signaling, but I offer this as a point of information for those who might want to check out this classic adventure.

The original Quake, was my favorite computer game of all time.

Paul did great work. Very talented dude.

His books are among the few I have kept after repeated purges of my library.

Quote from: Spinachcat on January 10, 2024, 06:50:43 PM
Paul did great work. Very talented dude.

His books are among the few I have kept after repeated purges of my library.

Greetings!

Yes, indeed, brother! I have several books in my library where Paul Jaquays was a main author and designer. The man definitely had solid talent as a game designer and writer.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Not just a pioneering designer, but an inspiration to queer and trans folk in the industry.

Also worked for Coleco, which was the Xbox of its day, basically producing near arcade (at least if you quint) versions of games of the day

Quote from: JeremyR on January 11, 2024, 03:41:53 AM
Also worked for Coleco, which was the Xbox of its day, basically producing near arcade (at least if you quint) versions of games of the day

I have one of his ColecoVision games: Evolution.  I also own a Coleco Pac-Man tabletop machine.  I don't know for certain, but I think that he was involved in its development.

Quote from: JeremyR on January 11, 2024, 03:41:53 AM
Also worked for Coleco, which was the Xbox of its day, basically producing near arcade (at least if you quint) versions of games of the day

The Jaws arcade game?

Sadly I have never heard of this person before this but...

R.I.P

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 11, 2024, 09:51:35 AM
Sadly I have never heard of this person before this but...

R.I.P

Many old-school people know him by his given name: Paul Jaquays.  Many gaming news sites have created confusion by referring to him with female pronouns, so some readers may have thought they were writing about a woman with the same last name, like a sister or wife.

RIP a very talented lady.

I hadn't heard of him, but I've definitely played some of the games and those were classics.  It's always a shame when one of the pioneers goes out, my condolences to friends and family.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 11, 2024, 11:28:50 AM

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 11, 2024, 09:51:35 AM
Sadly I have never heard of this person before this but...

R.I.P

Many old-school people know him by his given name: Paul Jaquays.  Many gaming news sites have created confusion by referring to him with female pronouns, so some readers may have thought they were writing about a woman with the same last name, like a sister or wife.

Yeah, for quite awhile I assumed Jennell was Paul's daughter or wife.

Quote from: Valatar on January 11, 2024, 02:16:58 PM
I hadn't heard of him, but I've definitely played some of the games and those were classics.  It's always a shame when one of the pioneers goes out, my condolences to friends and family.

The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM
The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

We made it pretty far guys, it was a good thread, but now it will be about virtue signalers coming in and policing speech.  The memorial is over; it is time for performative politics now.

Quote from: Venka on January 11, 2024, 06:33:54 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM
The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

We made it pretty far guys, it was a good thread, but now it will be about virtue signalers coming in and policing speech.  The memorial is over; it is time for performative politics now.

I'm not policing anything. I just stated a fact. What you choose to do with that information depends on what kind of person you are.

Another article about Jaquays' passing below. I only knew about her through Justin Alexander's series on "Xandering the Dungeon" (https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/13085/roleplaying-games/xandering-the-dungeon). I have Dragon Mountain that she illustrated the cover for, but never tried any of the dungeon designs or read her own writing.

QuoteTabletop designer and video game developer Jennell Jaquays, who created Dungeons & Dragons adventures for a leading publisher of its time, has passed away at the age of 67.

Jaquays is best known for developing the early shape of the tabletop industry during the heyday of TSR and other D&D publishers. Her most successful adventures, Dark Tower and Caverns of Thracia, were published for Judges Guild and featured both her game design and artwork.

Jaquays would go on to illustrate covers for plenty of other sourcebooks and modules, including the Dragon Mountain adventure included in D&D's 1993 deluxe boxed set. Along with Call of Cthulhu publisher Chaosium, she also worked for several video game developers throughout the 1980s and 90s - Jaquays would help convert popular arcade cabinet games such as Pac-Man and Donkey Kong to their console versions. In the late 1990s, Jaquays worked as a level designer for American video game company id Software while it developed the original Quake.

Dark Tower was the only non-TSR published adventure cited in Dungeon magazine's list of the thirty greatest D&D adventure of all time, and Jaquays' adventures would accrue several nominations for the H.G. Wells award. She was inducted in the Academy of Adventure Gaming Arts & Design Hall of Fame in 2017.

As creative director of Transgender Human Rights Institute, Jaquays helped outline and petition for the adoption of Leelah's Law in the US - the response to this activist movement led to the federal banning of conversion therapy amongst minors, which adversely affected trans youth. She was a staunch advocate for trans rights.

In a remembrance post on the EN World tabletop RPG forums fans and players shared their favourite Jaquays creations, including her Savage Frontier book and Campaign Sourcebook and Catacomb Guide, the latter of which many folks claimed was one of the best resources for running the game they had ever read.

https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/roleplaying-game/news/jennell-jaquays-dungeons-and-dragons-designer-obituary

Now I'm curious about the Campaign Sourcebook and Catacomb Guide, here:

https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/16887/DMGR1-Campaign-Sourcebook-and-Catacomb-Guide-2e

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: Valatar on January 11, 2024, 02:16:58 PM
I hadn't heard of him, but I've definitely played some of the games and those were classics.  It's always a shame when one of the pioneers goes out, my condolences to friends and family.

The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

Oh you ran a survey?

What a cool, uniform group of folks. Turns out not a single one of them prefers to remember them as Paul.

F

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 11, 2024, 07:19:31 PM
Oh you ran a survey?

What a cool, uniform group of folks. Turns out not a single one of them prefers to remember them as Paul.

I mean, it would have to be an anonymous survey to get honest results....
I just take umbrage at the idea that if I don't believe in trans ideology, I can't be sad about an objectively shitty event.  Like the most important detail is to bring up some controversial topic or position and play king of the hill.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: Valatar on January 11, 2024, 02:16:58 PM
I hadn't heard of him, but I've definitely played some of the games and those were classics.  It's always a shame when one of the pioneers goes out, my condolences to friends and family.

The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

Here we are expressing our shared feeling of loss over someone who gave many of us gamers so many hours of fun and joy.  Many of us go to enjoy Jennell's work even if we had no idea who she was.  Valatar was making an earnest statement of respect. 

Your attempt to enforce your gender ideology here is hurtful and repugnant. 

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: Valatar on January 11, 2024, 02:16:58 PM
I hadn't heard of him, but I've definitely played some of the games and those were classics.  It's always a shame when one of the pioneers goes out, my condolences to friends and family.

The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

I used his correct pronouns.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: Valatar on January 11, 2024, 02:16:58 PM
I hadn't heard of him, but I've definitely played some of the games and those were classics.  It's always a shame when one of the pioneers goes out, my condolences to friends and family.

The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

I used his correct pronouns.

EDIT: Also, he has a life history, and  went by a different name for most of it.  It's not disrespectful to dispel confusion, and simply inform people that Jennell lived part of his life under his given name, Paul.  If we have to deny that entire part of his life, then change his birth date to the day he changed his name.  I pay my respects with prayers for him and best wishes for the surviving loved ones, not with submitting to power games.

Can we please just ignore the Troll?

 :'( Awww, rest in peace, your contributions to gaming immortalize you in our memory.

Quote from: Venka on January 11, 2024, 07:36:40 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 11, 2024, 07:19:31 PM
Oh you ran a survey?

What a cool, uniform group of folks. Turns out not a single one of them prefers to remember them as Paul.

I mean, it would have to be an anonymous survey to get honest results....
I just take umbrage at the idea that if I don't believe in trans ideology, I can't be sad about an objectively shitty event.  Like the most important detail is to bring up some controversial topic or position and play king of the hill.

Narcissism is thine master.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 11, 2024, 08:29:16 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: Valatar on January 11, 2024, 02:16:58 PM
I hadn't heard of him, but I've definitely played some of the games and those were classics.  It's always a shame when one of the pioneers goes out, my condolences to friends and family.

The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

I used his correct pronouns.

EDIT: Also, he has a life history, and  went by a different name for most of it.  It's not disrespectful to dispel confusion, and simply inform people that Jennell lived part of his life under his given name, Paul.  If we have to deny that entire part of his life, then change his birth date to the day he changed his name.  I pay my respects with prayers for him and best wishes for the surviving loved ones, not with submitting to power games.

55 years as Paul, he/him, including almost all of the years they had their achievements. 12 years of Jennell erases Paul from existence. Like how Caitlyn Jenner won a bunch of mens Olympic medals in the 70s.

First of all, I responded to someone saying they offered condolences to friends and family. If you walk up to her friends and family and say, "Condolences, I am so sad about the passing of [deadname]," they will not think you are being kind, they will not think you are being respectful. If you don't have any comfort to offer the living, keep it to yourself.

Second, her legal name was Jennell. There is no reason to call her any other name, unless you are trying to make some kind of point. I can't even begin to describe the irony of someone saying "performative" who insists on calling someone by a different name than their actual, legal name. If your friend moved from Maple Street to Georgetown Ave, you wouldn't insist their address was still on Maple Street because that's how you knew them, and you don't want to erase their history of having lived on Maple Street. It doesn't make any sense. Her name was Jennell. Her driver's license said Jennell. Her marriage certificate said Jennell. She asked to be called Jennell, and only Jennell.

And it's pretty ridiculous for a bunch of people hiding behind pseudonyms on a message board to make such a big deal about what name someone might have gone by on the past.

I'm not saying anything ideological. I'm just saying, don't say you're offering condolences if all you have to say would be hurtful to the grieving. Don't stubbornly call someone by the incorrect name for your own personal, performative reasons. If you can't be cool with Jennell, the person, and her grieving loved ones, maybe this thread isn't for you. Maybe you should keep scrolling.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 10:51:19 PM
First of all, I responded to someone saying they offered condolences to friends and family. If you walk up to her friends and family and say, "Condolences, I am so sad about the passing of [deadname]," they will not think you are being kind, they will not think you are being respectful. If you don't have any comfort to offer the living, keep it to yourself.

Second, her legal name was Jennell. There is no reason to call her any other name, unless you are trying to make some kind of point. I can't even begin to describe the irony of someone saying "performative" who insists on calling someone by a different name than their actual, legal name. If your friend moved from Maple Street to Georgetown Ave, you wouldn't insist their address was still on Maple Street because that's how you knew them, and you don't want to erase their history of having lived on Maple Street. It doesn't make any sense. Her name was Jennell. Her driver's license said Jennell. Her marriage certificate said Jennell. She asked to be called Jennell, and only Jennell.

And it's pretty ridiculous for a bunch of people hiding behind pseudonyms on a message board to make such a big deal about what name someone might have gone by on the past.

I'm not saying anything ideological. I'm just saying, don't say you're offering condolences if all you have to say would be hurtful to the grieving. Don't stubbornly call someone by the incorrect name for your own personal, performative reasons. If you can't be cool with Jennell, the person, and her grieving loved ones, maybe this thread isn't for you. Maybe you should keep scrolling.

Narcissism is thine master.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 10:51:19 PM
First of all, I responded to someone saying they offered condolences to friends and family. If you walk up to her friends and family and say, "Condolences, I am so sad about the passing of [deadname]," they will not think you are being kind, they will not think you are being respectful. If you don't have any comfort to offer the living, keep it to yourself.

Second, her legal name was Jennell. There is no reason to call her any other name, unless you are trying to make some kind of point. I can't even begin to describe the irony of someone saying "performative" who insists on calling someone by a different name than their actual, legal name. If your friend moved from Maple Street to Georgetown Ave, you wouldn't insist their address was still on Maple Street because that's how you knew them, and you don't want to erase their history of having lived on Maple Street. It doesn't make any sense. Her name was Jennell. Her driver's license said Jennell. Her marriage certificate said Jennell. She asked to be called Jennell, and only Jennell.

And it's pretty ridiculous for a bunch of people hiding behind pseudonyms on a message board to make such a big deal about what name someone might have gone by on the past.

I'm not saying anything ideological. I'm just saying, don't say you're offering condolences if all you have to say would be hurtful to the grieving. Don't stubbornly call someone by the incorrect name for your own personal, performative reasons. If you can't be cool with Jennell, the person, and her grieving loved ones, maybe this thread isn't for you. Maybe you should keep scrolling.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 10:51:19 PM
First of all, I responded to someone saying they offered condolences to friends and family. If you walk up to her friends and family and say, "Condolences, I am so sad about the passing of [deadname]," they will not think you are being kind, they will not think you are being respectful. If you don't have any comfort to offer the living, keep it to yourself.

Second, her legal name was Jennell. There is no reason to call her any other name, unless you are trying to make some kind of point.

I called him Jannell.  It is his legal name.  I will call people by the name they want to be called.  I can understand the point on the name change.  However, as Grognard DM stated, he lived for 55 years as Paul, and just like Prince, we can acknowledge that for part of his life he lived under a different name.  People may remember him by what he did under the name Paul, and so fine.

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55 years as Paul, he/him, including almost all of the years they [sic] had their [sic] achievements. 12 years of Jennell erases Paul from existence.

However, Jannell is a man and was for his entire life.  Out of respect for the integrity of facts, I will not deny basic biological science and play political games just to please a person or (if what you say is true) his family's extremist agenda.  There is no reason for YOU to have made this thread political, by insisting we play political pronoun games in a thread where the rest of us put aside politics and just did the decent thing.  Once again, derailing the whole topic.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 10:51:19 PM
First of all, I responded to someone saying they offered condolences to friends and family. If you walk up to her friends and family and say, "Condolences, I am so sad about the passing of [deadname]," they will not think you are being kind, they will not think you are being respectful. If you don't have any comfort to offer the living, keep it to yourself.

Second, her legal name was Jennell. There is no reason to call her any other name, unless you are trying to make some kind of point. I can't even begin to describe the irony of someone saying "performative" who insists on calling someone by a different name than their actual, legal name. If your friend moved from Maple Street to Georgetown Ave, you wouldn't insist their address was still on Maple Street because that's how you knew them, and you don't want to erase their history of having lived on Maple Street. It doesn't make any sense. Her name was Jennell. Her driver's license said Jennell. Her marriage certificate said Jennell. She asked to be called Jennell, and only Jennell.

And it's pretty ridiculous for a bunch of people hiding behind pseudonyms on a message board to make such a big deal about what name someone might have gone by on the past.

I'm not saying anything ideological. I'm just saying, don't say you're offering condolences if all you have to say would be hurtful to the grieving. Don't stubbornly call someone by the incorrect name for your own personal, performative reasons. If you can't be cool with Jennell, the person, and her grieving loved ones, maybe this thread isn't for you. Maybe you should keep scrolling.

Or how about you keep your very important opinions to yourself while people pay respects in their own way.

I will sincerely pray for the repose of his soul.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 10:51:19 PM
First of all, I responded to someone saying they offered condolences to friends and family. If you walk up to her friends and family and say, "Condolences, I am so sad about the passing of [deadname]," they will not think you are being kind, they will not think you are being respectful. If you don't have any comfort to offer the living, keep it to yourself.

Second, her legal name was Jennell. There is no reason to call her any other name, unless you are trying to make some kind of point. I can't even begin to describe the irony of someone saying "performative" who insists on calling someone by a different name than their actual, legal name. If your friend moved from Maple Street to Georgetown Ave, you wouldn't insist their address was still on Maple Street because that's how you knew them, and you don't want to erase their history of having lived on Maple Street. It doesn't make any sense. Her name was Jennell. Her driver's license said Jennell. Her marriage certificate said Jennell. She asked to be called Jennell, and only Jennell.

And it's pretty ridiculous for a bunch of people hiding behind pseudonyms on a message board to make such a big deal about what name someone might have gone by on the past.

I'm not saying anything ideological. I'm just saying, don't say you're offering condolences if all you have to say would be hurtful to the grieving. Don't stubbornly call someone by the incorrect name for your own personal, performative reasons. If you can't be cool with Jennell, the person, and her grieving loved ones, maybe this thread isn't for you. Maybe you should keep scrolling.

In most cases, friends and family would be offended by someone "affirming" choices that clearly brought more strain and suffering and, in many cases, shortened the deceased's life by many years and possibly decades.  Offering them condolences in a person's given name of birth more frequently than not gives a little comfort due to recognizing there once was a person that was part of the family before they took on issues that strained and severed relationships and left many heartbroken.

Those of the trans community cause a lot of pain to their families.  Instead of it being acknowledged, other family members are called bigots for the inner turmoil they suffer.  What is particularly painful is now they are forced to stand by, encourage, and cheer on something taking place that's clearly awful so that they themselves aren't targeted by "activists" that have proven time and again to be very capable of destroying the lives of those that don't.

Pawsplay, you don't speak for the family.  You are here pushing an ideology.  You know full well that you're just stirring up trouble while standing on Jaquay's body.  It is repugnant.

Sad news indeed. She will be missed. When I think back to some of my favorite memories of gaming when I was a kid, my experience playing through Dark Tower definitely makes my top 5. And while I never ran or played Caverns of Thracia, I have read it and consider it a masterpiece. I enjoyed The Savage Frontier for Forgotten Realms as well, back in the good old days before the Realms went to crap. Then all the video games she had a hand in, particularly Quake 2, which I played the holy hell out of, and the Age of Empires games. Quite a legacy.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 11, 2024, 08:54:18 PM
Can we please just ignore the Troll?

i never heard of that person, but their list of achievements is truly remarkable. quite a loss indeed.

R.I.P.

Quote from: jhkim on January 11, 2024, 07:04:31 PM
Now I'm curious about the Campaign Sourcebook and Catacomb Guide, here:

https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/16887/DMGR1-Campaign-Sourcebook-and-Catacomb-Guide-2e

I got a friend's copy of this, and it's an interesting general GM's advice book. There's some wordy and not especially deep advice in parts, but it especially shows a love of dungeon settings with six great example maps towards the end.

Quote from: jhkim on January 12, 2024, 03:03:01 AM

Quote from: jhkim on January 11, 2024, 07:04:31 PM
Now I'm curious about the Campaign Sourcebook and Catacomb Guide, here:

https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/16887/DMGR1-Campaign-Sourcebook-and-Catacomb-Guide-2e

I got a friend's copy of this, and it's an interesting general GM's advice book. There's some wordy and not especially deep advice in parts, but it especially shows a love of dungeon settings with six great example maps towards the end.

   It should be noted that the book has two authors--Jaquays and William W. Connors, for whom this was his first TSR project. According to Shannon Appelcline's history of it on DTRPG, Jaquays did the first 100 pages or so, and the last 28-some are Connors' contribution. To be honest, given Jaquay's long association with dungeons and that Connors would go on to be involved with TSR's more 'narrative' settings (including Ravenloft, Masque of the Red Death, and the direly underappreciated Dragonlance: Fifth Age and SAGA Rules System), I would have guessed the breakdown would be the opposite.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 11, 2024, 11:28:50 AM
Many old-school people know him by his given name: Paul Jaquays.  Many gaming news sites have created confusion by referring to him with female pronouns, so some readers may have thought they were writing about a woman with the same last name, like a sister or wife.

I have been gaming for a long time myself and still haven't heard of this person by their previous name.  Maybe its because I mostly concern myself on whether the game is worth having and not who writes it.  That's probably it.

I can understand what you mean about the possibility of confusion though.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 10, 2024, 01:19:37 PM
I was reading down the wiki thinking "what an unusual, impressive list of gaming achievements for a woman..."

Women in Tabletop gaming

Quotehttps://www.chaosium.com/blogwomen-in-tabletop-gaming-month-15-chaosium-interviews-jennell-jaquays/ (https://www.chaosium.com/blogwomen-in-tabletop-gaming-month-15-chaosium-interviews-jennell-jaquays/)

QuoteIt was decided well in advance that this book would definitely not be "politically correct." In fact, its contents tend toward the socially, politically, morally, ethically, and religiously conservative side. To tell the truth, the authors and editors think our heritage of western culture, heterosexuality,traditional families, Judeo-Chriastian values, Jesus Christ and God are all pretty neat. While we won't force them on you, we do recommend them to everybody- your life can only better for it. As such, this book contains expressions of the authors' personal value structures that could be quite unpopular with those who assign equal value to all cultures, religions, lifestyles, sexual, or moral choice

Paul reeeeeeeeeeeeee Jennell Jaquays.
Interesting in that the  the cult Jaquays joined in later life does force their personal value structures on to others.

Quote from: Gagarth on January 12, 2024, 02:39:02 PM
Paul reeeeeeeeeeeeee Jennell Jaquays.
Interesting in that the  the cult Jaquays joined in later life does force their personal value structures on to others.

You are right.  It's sad Paul died.  I am totally going to miss that dude.  ;D

How did I know this thread would devolve into a shitfest about pronouns...PAUL wrote Dark Tower. Jennell revised it. I consider them two different people, honestly.

I find it ironic as fuck that "Burger" Heineman changed his name, too. Apparently, two of the most important "women" in gaming were actually dudes, which proves men are better at everything?

Quote from: Brad on January 12, 2024, 05:58:22 PM
How did I know this thread would devolve into a shitfest about pronouns...PAUL wrote Dark Tower. Jennell revised it. I consider them two different people, honestly.

I find it ironic as fuck that "Burger" Heineman changed his name, too. Apparently, two of the most important "women" in gaming were actually dudes, which proves men are better at everything?

Part of the 'dead naming' magic spell is that we suddenly have women who have been amazing engineers and game designers for the last 50 years, proving misogynist bigots are full of shit!

Sure those women were autistic men at the time they did their amazing things, but now they're retroactively female achievements. Much like no woman could crack into even semi-pro video games esports, no matter how much money and favouritism was thrown at them, but now we have several trans-women int he leagues, proving women are just as good!

RIP Paul. Your contributions to the hobby will not be forgotten.

Quote from: Brad on January 12, 2024, 05:58:22 PM
How did I know this thread would devolve into a shitfest about pronouns

It didn't. We just have the one troll trying to derail the thread.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on January 13, 2024, 01:56:42 AM
It didn't. We just have the one troll trying to derail the thread.

The troll should probably read the introduction to Central Casting - Heroes Now and explain how to rectify the language used therein with Current Day rhetoric. From the same person.

EDIT: Also page 87. Like, explain that. I literally DGAF whatsoever, but I will say that I found Jaquays' ludicrous stance for not attending NTRPGCon one year at total odds with his previous view on things.

Quote from: BadApple on January 12, 2024, 12:15:25 AM
Pawsplay, you don't speak for the family.  You are here pushing an ideology.  You know full well that you're just stirring up trouble while standing on Jaquay's body.  It is repugnant.

I'm pretty comfortable saying that my viewpoint is that of her widow. What is repugnant is people doing exactly what you say I'm doing. I have a pretty good idea what Jennell would say to people offering "condolences" and "respect" to her dead name, which are clearly anything but. You didn't like how she presented herself in life, there is no reason to pretend you cared a thing about her now that she is dead. You can just, you know, be silent.

My FB feed is full of her friends and colleagues offering sincere condolences and tributes.

Quote from: Brad on January 12, 2024, 05:58:22 PM
How did I know this thread would devolve into a shitfest about pronouns...PAUL wrote Dark Tower. Jennell revised it. I consider them two different people, honestly.

I find it ironic as fuck that "Burger" Heineman changed his name, too. Apparently, two of the most important "women" in gaming were actually dudes, which proves men are better at everything?

Greetings!

"A shitfest about pronouns..." *Laughing*

Of course, Brad! You KNEW it would devolve into precisely that. I always suspected the same would happen, of course. It is so predictable, and hilarious, in its own way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on January 13, 2024, 04:09:19 PM
Greetings!

"A shitfest about pronouns..." *Laughing*

Of course, Brad! You KNEW it would devolve into precisely that. I always suspected the same would happen, of course. It is so predictable, and hilarious, in its own way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Perhaps Pawsplay mistook this place for rpg.net.

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 13, 2024, 04:11:39 PM

Quote from: SHARK on January 13, 2024, 04:09:19 PM
Greetings!

"A shitfest about pronouns..." *Laughing*

Of course, Brad! You KNEW it would devolve into precisely that. I always suspected the same would happen, of course. It is so predictable, and hilarious, in its own way.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Perhaps Pawsplay mistook this place for rpg.net.

Not likely, since I'm permanently banned from RPG.net.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 04:12:19 PM
Not likely, since I'm permanently banned from RPG.net.

You are free to believe in that trans nonsense, but you cannot force others to believe in it.  That's what that cesspool rpg.net (which I am not banned on, but chose not to go back to) does.

He was Paul and he was Jennell, and nothing he does erases that fact.

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 13, 2024, 04:15:10 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 04:12:19 PM
Not likely, since I'm permanently banned from RPG.net.

You are free to believe in that trans nonsense, but you cannot force others to believe in it.  That's what that cesspool rpg.net (which I am not banned on, but chose not to go back to) does.

He was Paul and he was Jennell, and nothing he does erases that fact.

Regardless of where you stand on trans issues, the DMV had her name down as Jennell. Anyone who insists on referring to her primarily by any other name is just being performative and ideological, to the extinction of truth. If anyone just wanted to say, "oh, by the way, some of her publications back in the day were under the name Paul," Wikipedia says the same thing. But that's not what people are doing.

If you just want to call someone by what is not their name, because you are a bully, and you think your opinions are more important than facts, maybe a memorial thread is not the place to do it.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 04:20:16 PM
Regardless of where you stand on trans issues, the DMV had her name down as Jennell. Anyone who insists on referring to her primarily by any other name is just being performative and ideological, to the extinction of truth. If anyone just wanted to say, "oh, by the way, some of her publications back in the day were under the name Paul," Wikipedia says the same thing. But that's not what people are doing.

If you just want to call someone by what is not their name, because you are a bully, and you think your opinions are more important than facts, maybe a memorial thread is not the place to do it.

Some people won't give voice to something they don't believe in, no matter how hard you yell and stomp and threaten. This will always be true. Why did you come into a thread that has such men in it, men who will never praise or agree with this ideology, and try to change the topic of the thread from a memorial thread into a screechypreachy thread where you are mad that there still exist somewhere some people who won't agree with this aspect of some strange religion?

I'm not asking anyone to make ideological concessions. I'm just asking that in this memorial thread, you call someone by their proper and formal name. I'd prefer people use proper and formal pronouns for Jennell, as well, but I knew coming into this discussion that would be a bridge too far for some people. It is what it is.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 04:38:45 PM
I'm not asking anyone to make ideological concessions. I'm just asking that in this memorial thread, you call someone by their proper and formal name. I'd prefer people use proper and formal pronouns for Jennell, as well, but I knew coming into this discussion that would be a bridge too far for some people. It is what it is.

Why are you asking us to use any particular name?

Lots of people use different names at different times in their lives and among different groups of people that they know, legal names, formal names, informal names, nicknames, middle names, initials, pet names, etc.

Where do you get this weird idea that someone has only a single monolithic name that transcends space and time?

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 12, 2024, 08:50:29 AM

Quote from: jhkim on January 12, 2024, 03:03:01 AM

Quote from: jhkim on January 11, 2024, 07:04:31 PM
Now I'm curious about the Campaign Sourcebook and Catacomb Guide, here:

https://preview.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/16887/DMGR1-Campaign-Sourcebook-and-Catacomb-Guide-2e

I got a friend's copy of this, and it's an interesting general GM's advice book. There's some wordy and not especially deep advice in parts, but it especially shows a love of dungeon settings with six great example maps towards the end.

   It should be noted that the book has two authors--Jaquays and William W. Connors, for whom this was his first TSR project. According to Shannon Appelcline's history of it on DTRPG, Jaquays did the first 100 pages or so, and the last 28-some are Connors' contribution. To be honest, given Jaquay's long association with dungeons and that Connors would go on to be involved with TSR's more 'narrative' settings (including Ravenloft, Masque of the Red Death, and the direly underappreciated Dragonlance: Fifth Age and SAGA Rules System), I would have guessed the breakdown would be the opposite.

Huh. Yeah, based on her previous work, I would have thought the opposite. But there is a lot of good advice in there, including a lot of dungeon advice.

I found this in archives - a complete overview of game credits from 2012.

Game Software & Game Hardware

DOOM 3 (Unreleased, id Software)
Level Designer for this single player style SF/Horror first person shooter game.

QUAKE III: TEAM ARENA (2000, id  Software)
Level Designer for this team-based first person shooter  style game on the PC & Mac. Modeled and skinned one character head  (flayer). Levels: MP_Team5, MP_Team8, MPTerra2, MP_Q3CTF2

QUAKE III: ARENA (1999, id Software)
Level Designer for this multiplayer only first person shooter style game  on the PC & Mac. Developed character backgrounds for gladiators. Auditioned  writers for instruction manual and character chat content. Wrote additional  chat content. Levels: Q3DM8, Q3DM11, Q3DM12, Q3CTF2

QUAKE 2 (1997, id Software)
Level Designer for this first person shooter style game on the PC &  Mac. Single Player Levels: City1, City2, City3, Train (secret level).  Multiplayer Level (DM): City64 (in Extremities expansion).

BARDS TALE IV (1991-92,  Electronic Arts)
Adventure rewrite, integrating the work of several  authors. The basic requirement was that existing completed graphics were  to be used. Game remains unpublished.

HORROR RPG (1991,  Electronic Arts)
Fleshed out concepts for a "heroes-are-mutated-into-monsters-with-big-guns"  horror role playing game. Project cancelled after I was shifted to BARDS  TALE IV project.

LORD OF THE RINGS, VOL. 1 (IBM,  Amiga) (1990, Interplay)
Game Design & scripting for this role  play adaptation of J.R.R. Tolkien's classic Fellowship  of the Ring.

4x4 OFF-ROAD RACING  (CMD, IBM) (1988, Epyx)
Game Design for four-wheel-drive  truck racing game.

TIME ADVENTURE DEMO (1988, Ogdon  Micro Design )
Programmed a Hypercard demo on the Mac for presentation  to Epyx. Game concept was not purchased by Epyx.

L.A. VICE (1986, Ogdon Micro Design)
Wrote design specifications for a driving and police action game loosely  based on the Miami Vice television show. Did not go into production.

VARIOUS GAME CONCEPTS (1986-87, Ogdon Micro Design)
Wrote out project proposals  for client based on ideas they wanted to sell to Epyx.

WARGAMES (CV, ATR, CMD) (1984,  Coleco)
Co-design of game play. Winner of 1984 Summer C.E.S. original  software award.

BLACKJACK/POKER (CV) (1983, Coleco) 
Game design. Project leader.

OMEGA RACE (CV) (1983, Coleco) 
Based on licensed game. Game design. Project leader.

LADYBUG (CV, INT) (1983, Coleco)
Based on licensed game. Co-game design . Project leader.

MOUSETRAP (CV,VCS,INT) (1982,  Coleco)
Based on licensed coin-op arcade. Game design. Project leader.

CARNIVAL (CV, INT) (1982, Coleco)
Based on licensed coin-op arcade. Game design. Project leader.

TURBO (CV, INT) (1982, Coleco)
Based on licensed coin-op arcade. Game design. Project leader.

DONKEY KONG  (CV,INT) (1982, Coleco)
Based on licensed coin-op  arcade. Game design and graphic conversion. Project leader.

ROLLER CONTROLLER  (CV) (1983, Coleco)
Designed user interface and  configuration of this trac-ball style game controller. Project leader.

Adventure Games

MARVEL SUPER DICE (1997, TSR,  Inc.)
Game Developer & Dice Artist. Worked with designers to develop  look of the game, components, super hero powers and game rules for this  dice game based on Marvel Comics characters.

CITYBOOK VI: UPTOWN (1992, Flying  Buffalo, Inc.)
Editor, Art Director & book production. A generic  game aid containing a number of establishments involved with the wealthy  in a medieval fantasy world.

CENTRAL CASTING: HEROES NOW! (1991,  Task Force Games)
Author, Illustrator, Art Director, Associate Editor,  & book production. A generic game aid for use with any 20th century  role play game. Creates detailed character histories using dice tables.

CITYBOOK V: SIDESHOW  (1991, Flying Buffalo, Inc.)
Editor, Art Director &  production, Contributing Author & Cover Illustrator. A generic game  aid containing a number of establishments revolving around exotic non-human  races in a medieval fantasy world.

CITYBOOK IV: ON THE ROAD (1990,  Flying Buffalo, Inc.)
Editor, Art Director & production, Contributing  Author, Cartographer & Illustrator. A generic game aid containing  a number of establishments involved with travel in a medieval fantasy  world.

CAMPAIGN GUIDE & CATACOMB SOURCE BOOK  (1990, TSR, Inc.)
Primary author (with William Connors) A guidebook  on how to create campaigns and adventures and most importantly, how to  be a good Game Master.

LOST SHIPS (1990, TSR, Inc.)
Freelance  Editor. A collection of new ship types, monsters, and scenarios for AD&D  Spelljammer game. Author Ed Greenwood.

TOP BALLISTA (1989, TSR, Inc.)
Freelance Editor. A flying city of skygnomes for the D&D known world  source book line.

CENTRAL CASTING: HEROES FOR TOMORROW  (1989, Task Force Games)
Author, Illustrator, Associate Editor,  Art Director & production. A generic game aid for use with any Science  Fiction role-play game. Creates detailed character histories using dice  tables.

CENTRAL CASTING: HEROES OF LEGEND  (1988, Task Force Games)
Author, Illustrator, Associate Editor  & production. A generic game aid for use with any fantasy role-play  game. Creates detailed character histories using dice tables. An updated  second edition was released in 1995.

LORDS OF DARKNESS (1988, TSR,  Inc.)
Contributing author. An Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D)  source and adventure game book dealing with undead monsters and attempting  to create a horror atmosphere.

THE SAVAGE FRONTIER (1988, TSR,  Inc.)
Author. A source book of the wild, barbaric north and island  kingdoms for TSR's "official" Advanced Dungeons & Dragons  world of the Forgotten Realms. Includes numerous characters scenes and  settings from The Enchanted Wood (see below). Created characters and mythology  that has since become the basis for much of the Forgotten Realms ancient  history.

THE FORESTS OF ALFHEIM (1988,  TSR, Inc.)
Editor/developer. A source book dealing with the mysterious  land of the elves in the official Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) game  world.

ORION RISING (1988,TSR, Inc.) 
Contributing author. For the Top Secret S.I. espionage role-playing  game. A source book of headquarters for the heroic intelligence agency,  the Orion Foundation.

CASTLE GREYHAWK (1988, TSR, Inc.) 
Contributing author. An Advanced Dungeons & Dragons (AD&D)  humorous adventure book in the tradition of the old style "monster  hotel" game adventures from the early days of gaming.

THE SHATTERED STATUE (1988,  TSR, Inc.)
Author/Illustrator. A combined Dragon Quest/Advanced Dungeons  & Dragons (AD&D) adventure. Heroes attempt to regain the fragments  of a legendary magic statue from the lost ruins of magical colleges in  TSR's Forgotten Realms game world. Includes characters from The Enchanted  Wood.

TALONS OF NIGHT (1987, TSR, Inc.)
Author/Illustrator. Master Level Dungeons & Dragons (D&D) adventure.  Powerful heroes set out to negotiate a peace agreement between superpowers,  yet in so doing must enter into the realms of Entropy and Death to save  Imperial hostages.

THE EGG OF THE PHOENIX (1987,  TSR, Inc.)
Co-author, editor, developer. 96-page AD&D epic quest  across time and space to recover a stolen artifact.

CITY BOOK III (1987,  Flying Buffalo, Inc./Task Force Games, Inc.)
Contributing author.  "Domdaniel's Gate." A tough tavern, a chapter in the CITYBOOK  III anthology of city establishments.

AD&D BOOK OF LAIRS (II) (1987,  TSR, Inc.)
Contributing author. Griffons' and frost giants' lair chapters  for this anthology.

TWILIGHT CALLING (1987, TSR, Inc.)
Co-editor/developer. Master level D&D adventure.

AD&D ADVENTURE PACK (I) (1987,  TSR, Inc.)
Contributing author of "Terror in Skytumble Tor,"  a four-page mini adventure.

GRIFFIN ISLAND (1986, Avalon  Hill)
Co-author/illustrator. Campaign-type adventure. Rewrite of material  and cartographic illustration of Runequest adventure previously published  as GRIFFIN MOUNTAIN. Contains new scenario material and maps. Nominated  for 1986 H.G. Welles award.

THE ENCHANTED WOOD (1981, SPI)
Author. Dragon Quest adventure. Game  design. Adventurers must stop cancer-like growth of a mystic evil forest.  Portions of this ended up eventually in SAVAGE FRONTIER (AD&D FR)  and actually form the core of a great deal of the Netheril and Arcane  Age mythology/history.

GRIFFIN MOUNTAIN (1981, Chaosium,  Inc.)
Co-author/illustrator. Campaign Adventure. Co-design and illustration  of this Runequest adventure. Describes primitive Balazar in original RQ  world of Glorantha. Contains Mycenaen type cities and wilderness scenario  generator. Lauded by many reviewers as the best adventure scenario ever  published. Nominated for 1981 H.G. Welles award. Cover artist and illustrator.

THE UNKNOWN GODS (1981, Judges Guild)
Editor, contributing author of  Judges' Guild's answer to the Deities and Demigods book. Cover artist  and primary illustrator.

LEGENDARY DUCK TOWER (1980, Judges  Guild)
Co-author, maps and illustration of this licensed Runequest  adventure. Flex-keyed wilderness adventure in a ruined city. Has since  become a hard-to-find "cult classic" among die-hard Runequest  fans. Cover artist and primary illustrator.

DARK TOWER (1979, Judges Guild)
Author/illustrator/cartographer. Licensed AD&D dungeon adventure.  A significant underground encounter in the eternal battle between Set  and Mitra. Most popular of the Judges Guild adventure modules. Nominated  for 1979 H.G. Welles award. Cover artist and illustrator.

CAVERNS OF THRACIA (1979, Judges  Guild)
Author/illustrator/cartographer. Licensed D&D dungeon adventure.  Forgotten temples, lost underground citadels and wily beast-men. Rescue  the slaves and take the Minotaur king's loot. Cover artist and primary  illustrator.

BOOK OF TREASURE MAPS I (1979,  Judges Guild)
Author/illustrator/cartographer. Collection of licensed  D&D dungeon adventures. Game design, maps and illustrations. A series  of mini adventures. Adventures keyed to player handouts (maps and pages  from scrolls). Cover photograph depicts the author and several friends  (Jaquays is the big guy in the tin hat).

HELLPITS OF NIGHTFANG (1979, Judges  Guild)
Author/illustrator/cartographer. Licensed Runequest adventure.  Sinkholes hide lair of evil vampire and his hench-things.

THE DUNGEONEER (1976-78)
Publisher/Editor/illustrator/author.  Adventure gaming fan magazine. Each issue contained a game adventure.

-F'CHELRAK'S TOMB (D&D)
- issue #1 D&D. A wizard's  highly magical tomb.

-BORSHAK'S LAIR - (D&D)
- issue #3 D&D. A goblin bandit  leader converts a hero's tomb into a hide-out. Still some things are best  left alone.

-NIGHT OF THE WALKING WET - (D&D)
- issue #5 & 6 D&D.  A creature from another world becomes the slime god, infesting the region  with virulent  slime zombies, the "walking wet".
-MORKENDAINE MANOR - (AD&D)
Done for one of the early  JG issues of The Dungeoneer.

-CYBERDUM - (V&V)
A superhero scenario featuring a cyber-enhanced,  skull-faced bad guy.

(1978-80, Anshell Miniatures/Judges Guild)
Game adventure design,  numerous game articles and illustration.

     
Self-contained  Electronic Games

PAC-MAN HOME ARCADE (1982, Coleco)
Based on licensed coin-op arcade. Co-design of game play and vacuum fluorescent  display design (sold over 4 million units ).

DONKEY KONG HOME ARCADE (1982,  Coleco)
Tabletop electronic game based on licensed coin-op arcade.  Game design and vacuum fluorescent display design (layout and graphics).  Project leader.

GALAXIANS HOME ARCADE (1982, Coleco)
Tabletop electronic game based on licensed game. Game development. Project leader.

MS. PAC-MAN HOME ARCADE (1983,  Coleco)
Tabletop electronic game based on licensed game. Co-design  and development of game play and display.

FROGGER HOME ARCADE (1983, Coleco)
Tabletop electronic game based on licensed arcade game. Game development.  Project leader.


ConsumerProducts/Other

ALPHADIAL 200 TELEPHONE (1986,  Penguin Products)
Project leader. Instruction manual writer.

L'ECTRONIQUE JEWELRY (1986, Penguin  Products)
Product Design. Product Manager for product line. Electronic,  plastic novelty costume jewelry.

NECKTUNES
- FM radio pendant necklace.

REMINDER
- LCD appointment calendar/watch.

The following games were developed by the Coleco  game design group under Jaquays creative direction:
Zaxxon, (CV, VCS, INT) Donkey Kong (CV, INT) Donkey Kong Junior (CV, VCS) Mousetrap (CV) Carnival (CV, INT) Ladybug (CV, INT) Venture (CV, VCS, INT) Turbo (CV, INT) Space Panic (CV) Subroc (CV) Zaxxon Supergame (ADM) Donkey Kong Supergame (ADM), Donkey Kong Junior  Supergame (ADM) Smurf Adventures (CV, VCS) Gorf (CV) Omega Race (CV) Slither (CV) Time Pilot (CV, VCS) Tapper (CV) Spy Hunter (CV) Star Trek (CV) Dragon's Lair (ADM*) 2010 Action game (CV**) 2010 Text Adventure (ADM**) Tarzan (CV, VCS**) Super Action Football (CV) Super Action Baseball (CV) Rocky Super Action Boxing (CV) Bump 'n Jump (CV) Burger Time (CV) Destructor (CV) Illusions (CV) Front Line (CV, VCS) Cabbage Patch Kids Adventures in the Park (CV**) Pepper II (CV) Jeopardy (ADM**) Family Feud (ADM**) Victory (CV) Wargames (CV, APL, ATR, CMD).

* The C64 version of this game is based in part upon the ColecoVision.
** Versions of this game for other computer systems were under development  at Coleco when the computer game division was shut down. Some may have been released.

ABBREVIATIONS: CV-ColecoVision, ADM- ADAM computer, APL- Apple II computer, INT- Intellivision, VCS- Atari VCS 2600, CMD- Commodore 64 computer, ATR-Atari 800.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 04:20:16 PM
If anyone just wanted to say, "oh, by the way, some of her publications back in the day were under the name Paul," Wikipedia says the same thing. But that's not what people are doing.

If you just want to call someone by what is not their name, because you are a bully, and you think your opinions are more important than facts, maybe a memorial thread is not the place to do it.

It's EXACTLY what I was doing, anyone who read the post can see.  ...What Wikipedia was doing.  (though I'm ashamed to admit I'm doing something like Wikipedia does.)  The bullies are the ones forcing other people to refer to him by the wrong pronouns.

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I'm not asking anyone to make ideological concessions.

You asked people to choose between using his correct pronouns and be called a hater, or deny science.  That's a HUGE ideogical concession.

SORRY-DOUBLE-POST
though I give him kudos for designing some of those coleco and tabletop games from coleco..some I still own

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 03:31:57 PM
You can just, you know, be silent.

Not one fucking person responding in this thread has been remotely derogatory about Jaquays' death. The only one getting their panties in a bind is yourself because you're nothing more than a Marxist sycophant intent on pushing a agenda whenever you can. Paul Jaquays was an extremely important person in RPG and video game history; pretending he didn't actually do a bunch of stuff before he decided to live as a woman is called REVISIONIST HISTORY, one of those things Marxists just loooooovvveeeee to promote. "Oh, she was always Jennell! ALWAYS!!!!" The irony here, of course, is that 95% of the noteworthy work done by Jaquays is published using the name Paul; sorry, Karl, you can't change the author name on my existing physical books. Faggot.

So what would you guys say is their best adventure they helped write? Is it dark tower?

Quote from: Mistwell on January 13, 2024, 09:20:43 PM
So what would you guys say is their best adventure they helped right? Is it dark tower?

Dark Tower & Caverns of Thracia have the best reputations from what I've seen.  The only other one I own is "Talons of Night" for the D&D Master Set.  It's alright, not great.  Literally yesterday Goodman Games reported that the copies of the updated expansion/conversion of Dark Tower were en route from their Chinese sweatshops (oops, printers) and should be delivered in March.  That means the general public should be able to buy them in April/May.  This conversion is to either DCC or 5e, but also includes a reprint of the original, so you can use that with any OSR system.

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 13, 2024, 05:29:29 PM
Why are you asking us to use any particular name?

Well, it was what she requested when I talked to her about editing her Wikipedia article. It's her name. Asking why someone would want to be called by their name is about the stupidest imaginable question.

One issue is that in 55 years as a man named Paul, they produced a massive list of achievements and bodies of work. Then upon becoming a woman named Jennell, their achievements seem to be awards for being Trans.

Another issue is that they were male, with male experiences, for 88% of their life on Earth, yet wiki and activists want to retroactively make this the story of a woman's successes.


Just as a random thought, am I the only one that thinks Jennell sounds like a name a guy would give his female D&D character? It's an actual name, but it's super rare, and it just has that vibe to my gamer's ear. I'm just wondering if, while they were still Paul, they roleplayed under the name Jennell.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 09:39:13 PMWell, it was what she requested when I talked to her about editing her Wikipedia article.

Holy shit, so you're the one that made the Wiki incredibly confusing by retroactively removing all reference to ever being a man, or being named Paul. Doubleplus good, comrade.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 09:39:13 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 13, 2024, 05:29:29 PM
Why are you asking us to use any particular name?

Well, it was what she requested when I talked to her about editing her Wikipedia article. It's her name. Asking why someone would want to be called by their name is about the stupidest imaginable question.

You didn't answer my question.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 13, 2024, 10:06:01 PM
One issue is that in 55 years as a man named Paul, they produced a massive list of achievements and bodies of work. Then upon becoming a woman named Jennell, their achievements seem to be awards for being Trans.

That sounds about right.
If Paul is his deadname, then let his body of work be attributed to him. Jenell can stand on "their" own body of work.

But trans activists have no principles. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

Quote from: Persimmon on January 13, 2024, 09:36:38 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on January 13, 2024, 09:20:43 PM
So what would you guys say is their best adventure they helped right? Is it dark tower?

Dark Tower & Caverns of Thracia have the best reputations from what I've seen.  The only other one I own is "Talons of Night" for the D&D Master Set.  It's alright, not great.  Literally yesterday Goodman Games reported that the copies of the updated expansion/conversion of Dark Tower were en route from their Chinese sweatshops (oops, printers) and should be delivered in March.  That means the general public should be able to buy them in April/May.  This conversion is to either DCC or 5e, but also includes a reprint of the original, so you can use that with any OSR system.

It's funny I had heard a lot about Caverns of Thracia and very little about Dark Tower until very recently. Now I am curious about both.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 10, 2024, 07:32:13 PM
Not just a pioneering designer, but an inspiration to queer and trans folk in the industry.

ALL of his stuff was done as PAUL.  Unsure how someone who decided at age 65 that he was a chick (LOL) is some sort of inspiration.  His massive contributions to the gaming world were all done as PAUL.  Bottom line.  Deal with it.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 11, 2024, 05:53:24 PM
The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

We made it pretty far guys, it was a good thread, but now it will be about virtue signalers coming in and policing speech.  The memorial is over; it is time for performative politics now.

I'm not policing anything. I just stated a fact. What you choose to do with that information depends on what kind of person you are.

Yes. You were.  Just get over it, weirdo.  RPGnet.com is where you need to be.

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 12, 2024, 03:52:40 PM

Quote from: Gagarth on January 12, 2024, 02:39:02 PM
Paul reeeeeeeeeeeeee Jennell Jaquays.
Interesting in that the  the cult Jaquays joined in later life does force their personal value structures on to others.

You are right.  It's sad Paul died.  I am totally going to miss that dude.  ;D

Amen.

@people interacting with the troll:

this thread was made to honor a particular person - why are you letting another make it about him instead? you are giving the troll exactly what he wants - your time and attention. please stop and he'll go away.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 09:39:13 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 13, 2024, 05:29:29 PM
Why are you asking us to use any particular name?

Well, it was what she requested when I talked to her about editing her Wikipedia article. It's her name. Asking why someone would want to be called by their name is about the stupidest imaginable question.

Narcissism is thine master.

Quote from: Mistwell on January 14, 2024, 02:17:29 AM
It's funny I had heard a lot about Caverns of Thracia and very little about Dark Tower until very recently. Now I am curious about both.

They're both pretty fucking good, and I honestly am not a huge fan of any modules after all the Gygax tournament ones. Duck Tower is probably his best one, actually, even if it's a tongue-in-cheek pseudo-parody. Worth converting from Runequest for any D&D-like system.

Quote from: Klava on January 14, 2024, 04:51:20 AM
@people interacting with the troll:

this thread was made to honor a particular person - why are you letting another make it about him instead? you are giving the troll exactly what he wants - your time and attention. please stop and he'll go away.

Because trolling works. Someone will always rise to the bait, and others will be sucked in.

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 13, 2024, 10:26:39 PM
You didn't answer my question.

Oh noes.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 14, 2024, 04:57:44 AM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 13, 2024, 09:39:13 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 13, 2024, 05:29:29 PM
Why are you asking us to use any particular name?

Well, it was what she requested when I talked to her about editing her Wikipedia article. It's her name. Asking why someone would want to be called by their name is about the stupidest imaginable question.

Narcissism is thine master.

This is a pretty funny thing considering we are on a site owned and r un by a guy who only calls himself RPGPundit.

And I'm pretty sure Venger Satanis wasn't his birth name.

Just pretend Jaquays was being an edgelord by being Jennell

Quote from: JeremyR on January 14, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
And I'm pretty sure Venger Satanis wasn't his birth name.

His birthname was Henry Satanis Jr. They named the dog Venger.

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Quote from: Gagarth on January 12, 2024, 02:39:02 PM
Paul reeeeeeeeeeeeee Jennell Jaquays.
Interesting in that the  the cult Jaquays joined in later life does force their personal value structures on to others.

You are right.  It's sad Paul died.  I am totally going to miss that dude.  ;D

Amen.

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I know the asses over on TBP and places like it well enough to make an educated guess someone is using the departed's passing to astroturf some citations for "hate speech" or transphobia. Playing ball dishonors the dead.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 14, 2024, 01:01:40 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 13, 2024, 10:26:39 PM
You didn't answer my question.

Oh noes.

All right then. Bad faith troll confirmed. I should have listened to the others!

Quote from: Brad on January 12, 2024, 05:58:22 PM
How did I know this thread would devolve into a shitfest about pronouns...PAUL wrote Dark Tower. Jennell revised it. I consider them two different people, honestly.

I find it ironic as fuck that "Burger" Heineman changed his name, too. Apparently, two of the most important "women" in gaming were actually dudes, which proves men are better at everything?

I was hoping one of the usual suspects wouldn't slip in and start policing the pronouns. But that was wishful thinking obviously because the dead are prime targets for the moral outrage brigade because they cant defend themselves or tell these people to fuck off.

RIP. His artwork in the late 70s and 80s really set the tone for old school fantasy for me.

Quote from: Omega on January 16, 2024, 05:56:22 AM
I was hoping one of the usual suspects wouldnt slip in and start policing the pronouns. But that was wishful thinking obviously because the dead are prome targets for the moral outrage brigade because they cant defend themselves or tell these people to fuck off.

What do you think Jennell would think about this discussion? What do you think her living widow would say?

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 11:54:23 AMWhat do you think Jennell would think about this discussion? What do you think her living widow would say?

What do you think Paul's ex-wife and kids would say?

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 16, 2024, 12:06:21 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 11:54:23 AMWhat do you think Jennell would think about this discussion? What do you think her living widow would say?

What do you think Paul's ex-wife and kids would say?

Interesting enough, Paul's "Widow" was also a man who transitioned into a women.  I thought his "Widow" had always been a women.

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 16, 2024, 02:37:33 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 16, 2024, 12:06:21 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 11:54:23 AMWhat do you think Jennell would think about this discussion? What do you think her living widow would say?

What do you think Paul's ex-wife and kids would say?

Interesting enough, Paul's "Widow" was also a man who transitioned into a women.  I thought his "Widow" had always been a women.

I'm not sure why "widow" in quotations marks, that's a purely legal fact.

Anyway, if you get a chance, you should check out "High Score" on Netflix.

Here's the obituary. The funeral will be in Dallas on Feb 2.

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/dallas-tx/jennell-jaquays-11623534

Regarding her family, the obit says:

QuoteJennell is survived by her wife Rebecca Heineman, brother Bruce Jaquays, sister Jolene Jaquays, her son Zachary Jaquays and his wife Jessica Jaquays, daughter Amanda Jaquays, her stepchildren Maria Heineman, William Heineman, and Cynthia Heineman, and four grandchildren who all love her very much.

Her son Zach is works in the video game industry as an FX artist, and he also contributed some art to her later work. From 2018 there was this summary:

QuoteJennell has a son (Zach), and a daughter (Amanda) who are finding their way into careers involving entertainment, despite all sensible attempts to warn them off.  Jennell currently resides in Seattle, Washington with her fiancee Rebecca Heineman and her long-time feline companion, Charlie.

I don't see anything by either Zach or Amanda within TTRPGs, but condolences and best wishes to them.

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 16, 2024, 02:37:33 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 16, 2024, 12:06:21 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 11:54:23 AMWhat do you think Jennell would think about this discussion? What do you think her living widow would say?

What do you think Paul's ex-wife and kids would say?

Interesting enough, Paul's "Widow" was also a man who transitioned into a women.  I thought his "Widow" had always been a women.

From the wiki:

--Jaquays had two children from her first marriage.--

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 03:05:57 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 16, 2024, 02:37:33 PM
Interesting enough, Paul's "Widow" was also a man who transitioned into a women.  I thought his "Widow" had always been a women.

I'm not sure why "widow" in quotations marks, that's a purely legal fact.

Because it should be "widower".  That's a grammatical fact.

Quote from: DocJones on January 16, 2024, 07:19:25 PM
Because it should be "widower".  That's a grammatical fact.

She was legally married, and her ID says she is female, which makes her status, as a matter of law, that of a widow. So you are incorrect, grammatically speaking.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 07:27:58 PM

Quote from: DocJones on January 16, 2024, 07:19:25 PM
Because it should be "widower".  That's a grammatical fact.

She was legally married, and her ID says she is female, which makes her status, as a matter of law, that of a widow. So you are incorrect, grammatically speaking.

They are both men.  That is a scientific fact. 
Scientific facts trump any State's particular legal obfuscations.

Quote from: DocJones on January 16, 2024, 07:49:35 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 07:27:58 PM
They are both men.  That is a scientific fact. 
Scientific facts trump any State's particular legal obfuscations.

I don't remember reading about widows or widowers in high school biology class.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 07:50:52 PM

Quote from: DocJones on January 16, 2024, 07:49:35 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 07:27:58 PM
They are both men.  That is a scientific fact. 
Scientific facts trump any State's particular legal obfuscations.

I don't remember reading about widows or widowers in high school biology class.

(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9860530688/h8BDAAC41/and-tu-past-res-p-show-there-are-four-lights-change-my-mind)

This isn't the time or place for a 101 on sex and gender. I think it's very simple, however, to acknowledge someone's legal name, legal gender, legal marriage, and legal spouse. Absolutely the bare minimum of respect.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 08:29:41 PM
This isn't the time or place for a 101 on sex and gender. I think it's very simple, however, to acknowledge someone's legal name, legal gender, legal marriage, and legal spouse. Absolutely the bare minimum of respect.

(https://monetary-metals.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/motte-and-bailey.jpg)

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 16, 2024, 08:39:39 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 08:29:41 PM
This isn't the time or place for a 101 on sex and gender. I think it's very simple, however, to acknowledge someone's legal name, legal gender, legal marriage, and legal spouse. Absolutely the bare minimum of respect.

(https://monetary-metals.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/motte-and-bailey.jpg)

LOL. Now now play nice. Ze's on the right side of history.

I feel confident in saying Jennell was Jennell is an easy logical position.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 09:13:43 PM
I feel confident in saying Jennell was Jennell is an easy logical position.

Paul achieved great things in gaming, then changed his name to Jennell, and asked to be recognized as female. Yes, no-one has contested this. You are 100% correct.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 16, 2024, 09:18:29 PM
Paul achieved great things in gaming, then changed his name to Jennell, and asked to be recognized as female. Yes, no-one has contested this. You are 100% correct.

She didn't "ask" to be recognized as female. She was recognized as female. You are asking that she be recognized as male, and her former name. So, that's going to be a no from people who actually respect and care about her.

I wasn't going to post here because I don't have much to say about the departed. I just found out that I have been using one of Jaquays' books for a campaign in the past year: Savage Frontier. But since this has been derailed beyond salvage, I will add that pawsplay attempts to build arguments out of State authority are pathetic. I wonder whether or not pawsplay would be such a defender of legalism, if Jaquays and him lived in a country that didn't allow one to change one's legal gender. Would you complain about the people that here in this thread decided to use Jennell because Saudi Arabia DMV didn't recognize Jennell, only Paul?

I wish my post and pawsplay's and all replies to him would be deleted from this thread.

I'm curious as to how anyone going on to this web site would expect others members to follow any form of left-leaning political issues knowing just who runs this forum. I'm pretty new here, but I'd be willing to bet that most come here because they're tired of having to watch every word they say on 99.9% of the other TTRPG forums out there.

As to Jaquay's body of work: "FR5 - The Savage Frontier" is my favorite Forgotten Realms supplement.

Really sad to hear this, Griffin Mountain was easily one of the best products of its time and is an obvious inspiration for Mythras Monster Island.

I'm no art expert but I think Jennell did some great pieces.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 07:27:58 PM

Quote from: DocJones on January 16, 2024, 07:19:25 PM
Because it should be "widower".  That's a grammatical fact.

She was legally married, and her ID says she is female, which makes her status, as a matter of law, that of a widow. So you are incorrect, grammatically speaking.

Science trumps a politicized government ID.  He is a male.

Quote
This isn't the time or place for a 101 on sex and gender. I think it's very simple, however, to acknowledge someone's legal name, legal gender, legal marriage, and legal spouse. Absolutely the bare minimum of respect.

This is no place for scientific fact.  CONFORM NOW! 

STOP QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT!

Don't feed the troll

Objective science and reality beats  subjective reality and science based on feelings.

Sad to see one of those working in the rpg industry pass away. I knew him under his previous name, Not do I care what his drivers licence says. Put an Armani suit on a goat it  still a goat wearing an expensive suit. Not a completely objective different thing simply because the goat drivers license identifies them as a person.

Quote from: Abraxus on January 17, 2024, 10:33:46 AM
Sad to see one of those working in the rpg industry pass away.

Are you? You just called her a goat pretending to be a person.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 10:11:24 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 16, 2024, 09:18:29 PM
Paul achieved great things in gaming, then changed his name to Jennell, and asked to be recognized as female. Yes, no-one has contested this. You are 100% correct.

She didn't "ask" to be recognized as female. She was recognized as female. You are asking that she be recognized as male, and her former name. So, that's going to be a no from people who actually respect and care about her.

Son, you are using biological terms you don't understand.  Stick to gender and you'll get a pass.  Jennell was a male, he wanted to be considered a woman.  A male is a person possessing XY chromosome.  A female is a person possessing XX chromosome.  Now to leftards like yourself a woman is a costume, you put on the clothes and the make up and you want to be called a woman.  You are living in social constructivist zone, and that's cool.  Everyone else is living in objective reality and we are not going to placate people like you with make believe games.  If someone wants to call Jannell male, no problem, if they want to call him a woman sure go for it., however he was not female.  There is nothing that can be done to a human to change their genome, you are what you are born and will be till the day you die.

And lastly, Narcissim is your name.  You come here to make the thread all about yourself and your fucked up politics.  Respect the dead, say your peace and STFU, you are using the dead for your own fucked up identity politics.  I thought I broke you and got you to drop, I guess I'm going to have to go back to breaking your leftard brain again.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 01:52:10 PM
Respect the dead, say your peace and STFU, you are using the dead for your own fucked up identity politics.

Take your own advice.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 02:04:06 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 01:52:10 PM
Respect the dead, say your peace and STFU, you are using the dead for your own fucked up identity politics.

Take your own advice.

Son you come here to stir up shit, you want to make her Jennel's death all about your own front hole and how its bad for people to not believe, act and talk like a retard, like you do.  Jennell was a male who wanted to be treated as a woman.  Some people play that game and others do not.  You come to stir it up like the narcissistic retard you are for some perecieved social win to trounce around.  All you are doing is stepping on Jennell's corpse like the disrespectful ghoul you are.

I'm sorry your dad left you and you were raised by a pscyho bitch.  My best advice, get a hormone profile, treat your low T and keep your penis.  A lot of guys who get their orchiotomy and then splice their penis down the middle to line a hole cut in their crotch for gay men to pleasure themselves realize realize after the fact what they've done to themselves and it goes horrible for them.

really hate this board for fixes.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 01:17:02 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on January 17, 2024, 10:33:46 AM
Sad to see one of those working in the rpg industry pass away.

Are you? You just called her a goat pretending to be a person.

leave it to a racist science denier to not understand literary concepts like metaphor

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 17, 2024, 02:26:55 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 01:17:02 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on January 17, 2024, 10:33:46 AM
Sad to see one of those working in the rpg industry pass away.

Are you? You just called her a goat pretending to be a person.

leave it to a racist science denier to not understand literary concepts like metaphor

Could you stop literally genociding them? Please and thank you!

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 01:52:10 PM
Respect the dead, say your peace and STFU, you are using the dead for your own fucked up identity politics.

Counterpoint, let him talk. He's doing more damage to his position with the trolling and bad faith pseudo-discussion than you or I could do with cold hard facts. His approach works in some environments, but here, where most people are capable of critical thinking, it backfires and actually galvanizes opinion against his position. Almost like he's an anti-trans agitator. Whatever...already too many words wasted. I sense an incoming wall of text and some more guffaws.

As for respect for the dead, well, maybe it's best to think of this thread as a rowdy Irish wake.

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 17, 2024, 02:37:23 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 01:52:10 PM
Respect the dead, say your peace and STFU, you are using the dead for your own fucked up identity politics.

Counterpoint, let him talk. He's doing more damage to his position with the trolling and bad faith pseudo-discussion than you or I could do with cold hard facts. His approach works in some environments, but here, where most people are capable of critical thinking, it backfires and actually galvanizes opinion against his position. Almost like he's an anti-trans agitator. Whatever...already too many words wasted. I sense an incoming wall of text and some more guffaws.

As for respect for the dead, well, maybe it's best to think of this thread as a rowdy Irish wake.

He's a fucking ghoul, he's coming here to make ideological points while dragging the corpse of jennel behind his ass.  He should be called out for it and dragged as well.  Its a death, say your peace if you have anything and move on.  I've used literally nothing from Jennels content list and have no impact on the death.  At best, maybe as an archeological interest in the first module put out at a zine.  But if this fucking asshat showed up at a funeral and started spouting off ideological points using the dead for his own goals, I'd drag him the fuck out of the funeral home and throw him out in disgust.  The only reason I give a fuck is the disrespect this person is showing to the dead, I fucking hate ghouls.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 03:09:58 PM
But if this fucking asshat showed up at a funeral and started spouting off ideological points using the dead for his own goals, I'd drag him the fuck out of the funeral home and throw him out in disgust.  The only reason I give a fuck is the disrespect this person is showing to the dead, I fucking hate ghouls.

I've been friends with Jennell on FB for years. Her death personally affects me. All I've asked for is the basic courtesy of someone being called by their name. You're the ghoul. If this were an actual funeral home, and you showed up, and starting calling her by her deadname and using the pronouns you prefer, you would be thrown out.  Maybe in your mind you're a big hero. All you've done really is try to erase who she is.

Show of hands. Who here has actually had an interaction with her? Who here actually cried when they got the news? Who promoted the crowdfunding campaign to help her family? If you didn't raise your hand at least once, you're not at the funeral. You're some rando on the Internet whose head is so far up their ass, you think it's your job to lecture everyone on what name should go on the fucking memorial plaque.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:29:52 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 03:09:58 PM
But if this fucking asshat showed up at a funeral and started spouting off ideological points using the dead for his own goals, I'd drag him the fuck out of the funeral home and throw him out in disgust.  The only reason I give a fuck is the disrespect this person is showing to the dead, I fucking hate ghouls.

I've been friends with Jennell on FB for years. Her death personally affects me. All I've asked for is the basic courtesy of someone being called by their name. You're the ghoul. If this were an actual funeral home, and you showed up, and starting calling her by her deadname and using the pronouns you prefer, you would be thrown out.  Maybe in your mind you're a big hero. All you've done really is try to erase who she is.

Show of hands. Who here has actually had an interaction with her? Who here actually cried when they got the news? Who promoted the crowdfunding campaign to help her family? If you didn't raise your hand at least once, you're not at the funeral. You're some rando on the Internet whose head is so far up their ass, you think it's your job to lecture everyone on what name should go on the fucking memorial plaque.

Son I would not show up at her funeral because I don't know her.  And I damn know if it was someone I knew I would not be going onto online forums dragging Jennel's corpse to get dumb ass political points, which is what you are doing.  You never gave a flying fuck about Jennel and its on full display by your fucked up behavior here.  You are a fucking ghoul and your behavior here would make Jennel vomit and you damn well know it.  You went to a thread where people who used Jennel's works said their peace and that was it.  You then turned it into a fucking tans rights march right over Jennel's dead corpse.  You are the worst kind of scum because you are so ideologically poisoned you don't even understand the damage you are causing to your own fucked up cause let alone Jennel's memory.  Do you fucking know what people are going to remember Jennel for here, this fucked up tranny piece of shit Pawsplay dragging her corpse on the streets for ideological points.  You are literally scum.

QuoteShow of hands. Who here has actually had an interaction with her? Who here actually cried when they got the news? Who promoted the crowdfunding campaign to help her family? If you didn't raise your hand at least once, you're not at the funeral. You're some rando on the Internet whose head is so far up their ass, you think it's your job to lecture everyone on what name should go on the fucking memorial plaque.

God I love your narcissm, its on full display right here.  Check out the virtue signalling how good this fucking yahoo is.  Son, no one here is going to do a god damn thing for Jennel's funeral.  When Len died, I don't believe there was a thread here.  On other forums, we said our peace, talked about his works and that's it, there wasn't a troll there talking about how people need to respect the dead gay Len.  Believe it or not, a lot of people are not going to play games with sex and say it for what it is.  Move on, you aren't going to win a fight against biology.  A lot of people are making that point now because social constructivists have lost their fucking minds, like yourself.  You are dragging Jennel's corpse to dirty her name and memory to the point where people reading this thread when they hear Jennel they'll go "Oh god, that's PawsPlay thread where he smeared his taint over Jennel's face, damn the guy was a real douche bag wasn't he".  Like the Narcissist you are.  Your mother raised a special boy alright, its too bad you didn't have a father in your life to give some basis in reality.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PM
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Paysplay: Me Me Me, Look at me people, look at me, this thread is all about me, I'm the victim here people, look at me.  Daddy didn't love me, I'll take whatever attention I can get.  Including the shit I'm shoveling down your throat son.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 03:35:02 PM
You are a fucking ghoul and your behavior here would make Jennel vomit and you damn well know it.

The sad thing is, it probably wouldn't make him vomit.  Because we ARE the ones being respectful, we're not discussing how Mr. Jaquays' character in the last years in his life were along the vain of what Paws Play is doing here now.

Quote from: Abraxus on January 17, 2024, 10:33:46 AM
Don't feed the troll

Quote from: Klava on January 17, 2024, 04:44:42 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on January 17, 2024, 10:33:46 AM
Don't feed the troll

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PM
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Someone please tell me that this post isn't real. Because that's some S tier asshole-ishness right there.

Greetings!

Stay RELENTLESS. Resist always, and fearlessly. Being soft, quiet, and tolerant is how our society has turned into a fucking cesspool.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Our community lost a brilliant mind and writer.  I recall the modules in question and they are some of my favorite that Jaquays wrote and was looking forward to more revisions of the old property with a fresh coat of paint.

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 17, 2024, 02:37:23 PMAs for respect for the dead, well, maybe it's best to think of this thread as a rowdy Irish wake.

"So I remember this time that Sean and I..."

"Sinead, her name was Sinead."

"Fuck, right ya are. So I remember this time Sinead and I were writing our names in the snow..."

Quote from: DocJones on January 16, 2024, 07:19:25 PM
Because it should be "widower".  That's a grammatical fact.

Thank you.  You got to it before I did.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 03:05:57 PM
I'm not sure why "widow" in quotations marks, that's a purely legal fact.

Anyway, if you get a chance, you should check out "High Score" on Netflix.

Because it's Grammatically incorrect.  He was a he so he is a widower.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 16, 2024, 08:29:41 PM
This isn't the time or place for a 101 on sex and gender. I think it's very simple, however, to acknowledge someone's legal name, legal gender, legal marriage, and legal spouse. Absolutely the bare minimum of respect.

Yes, Paul was a he and he wore dresses.  He was born a he and died a he.  The fact that some unethical doctors made changes to paul so he could pass as a she doesn't change biology.

Quote from: Digitalelf on January 16, 2024, 11:03:09 PM
I'm curious as to how anyone going on to this web site would expect others members to follow any form of left-leaning political issues knowing just who runs this forum. I'm pretty new here, but I'd be willing to bet that most come here because they're tired of having to watch every word they say on 99.9% of the other TTRPG forums out there.

As to Jaquay's body of work: "FR5 - The Savage Frontier" is my favorite Forgotten Realms supplement.

Truthfully I dont care about who runs this website.  I am here to talk about role playing games.   Whether TheRPGPundit is here or not doesn't matter one bit to me.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PM
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That Jennelle sounds like an asshole.  I liked Paul better.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PM
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Dripping with toxic narcissism. I feel way less bad. 

Addendum: way to shatter the stereotype of it being about language policing and a power trip.

I've just started reading over Caverns of Thracia, which looks amazing. I love how she weaves in all this Greek myth and history, with even a timeline of when and how the dungeon was constructed. I've been pondering how to use it as a foray into OSR stuff.

Here's a war story from Jennell about early days in the hobby:

Quote from: Jennell JaquaysI'll tell you or my origin story in games in 1975 October. My younger brother who is actually the gamer in the family called me on the phone at work and said hey I just got this magazine and there's these reviews in there for this interesting game that I think you'll like. And he read over the phone these two very short reviews of Dungeons and Dragons that appeared in the Space Gamer issue number 2. I listened to what he was saying and I could almost literally feel my life pivoting and changing and going in a new direction at that point.

Once I got my hands on on the magazine (my brother lived two miles away) I ordered this the D&D set and Grayhawk and Chainmail and waited for them with bated breath to come. The first thing that came was Grayhawk and Chainmail. That was my exposure to what D&D was like and so I had a totally wrong idea of what the game was because from those two products the actual white box was back ordered and it wouldn't be until February of 1976 because of school breaks and then a Europe trip and then back in school where my friends had already snagged the box out of my mailbox at school. They started playing themselves or at least started reading the rules that's when we started actually being able to play.  There was a very small hand of a handful of us who were playing mostly on my dorm room floor. Understand we were also at a very small Evangelical Christian College in the midwest, so nobody knew what we understood what we were doing at that point. We were just a bunch of fantasy fans figuring out how to make games. Being a creative person and having a graphics design background already I was an art major. I had done work on college newspapers so I knew how to do pre-press production the way it was done back in the mid 70s. So I said hey, no one's making stuff for D&D out there, maybe we could make our own and put out a fan magazine based on it.

I had a couple two of my friends Mark and the Merle and we decided yeah we'll do that.  I was already getting stuff from TSR at that point. I think I subscribed to their their magazine that later became The Dragon, and I wrote a letter to Tim Cask because he was the editor and I said "Hey if we produce a fan magazine called The Dungeoneer are we stepping on your trademarks or rights in any way?" Tim wrote me a postcard back and said nope not at all... just make sure you don't include lots of our content in your magazine and that's how we got permission. As you said there was no Internet -- we had the mail and we sent postcards. So that's how that started.

We started trying to figure out what kind of content would be in it. I came up with the idea that "Hey let's put an adventure in the magazine" and we'll also do things like new monsters, new magic items, and Mark wrote a short in this installment-based story. We all we all contributed to it and then I did the production where my friend Mark had a typewriter with a carbon film ribbon so I would go through and type up the article in columns and then go back through and figure out how I would justify it by adding spaces between words then retype it on his carbon film which gave it a really nice clean edged look and we paste those up on big sheets of paper and take them off to the printer. That summer we got the first magazine ready to go it was June 1976 and by the time we got the printer they got about 200 issues back from the printer. We had been researching well how do we get this to the gamer's hands and the way we did that was we skimmed magazines and bulletin boards and found places that people had been posting their address say they were looking for players they weren't necessarily all D&D players and we found out that had its own side effect later, but we just sent out a hundred free copies now the positive side is that James M. Ward of TSR was our first subscriber.

He's the guy who created Metamorphosis Alpha. We also got letters back from people who were really mad at us for sending this to them and said never do this again... D&D is destroying the tabletop gaming hobby... So we never sent them anything again. Wow. So that was just brute force finding people soliciting. It got word of mouth out there and we actually started selling them to hobby shops around literally around the world

That was my step into doing work in the game industry. About a year and a half later it was the end of 1978 and we were all either trying to graduate or had graduated. It was getting very difficult to work on the magazine I ended up selling it to someone.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwIcNiOwN0Y

Incidentally, there's a "Memorial Game Jam" being organized, with links for donations to Jaquays' family. It also will donate to a transgender legal fund, so many people here wouldn't be interested, but there's also a link for direct family donations.

https://itch.io/jam/jennell-jaquays-memorial-game-jam

To pawsplay:

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:29:52 PM
I've been friends with Jennell on FB for years. Her death personally affects me. All I've asked for is the basic courtesy of someone being called by their name. You're the ghoul. If this were an actual funeral home, and you showed up, and starting calling her by her deadname and using the pronouns you prefer, you would be thrown out.  Maybe in your mind you're a big hero. All you've done really is try to erase who she is.

I'm sorry for the loss, pawsplay. It sounds like she would be on your side in general, but I'm also not sure that she'd want all the fuss here on this thread. In this thread, many posters have used her preferred names and pronouns, but for those who haven't, they aren't being convinced by the demands made, and if anything, the arguing has made things less respectful. Personally, I'm happy to argue the point in other threads, but I'm trying not to here.

Thanks for sharing those links jhkim.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 14, 2024, 02:13:45 PM

Quote from: JeremyR on January 14, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
And I'm pretty sure Venger Satanis wasn't his birth name.

His birthname was Henry Satanis Jr. They named the dog Venger.

I laughed

Quote from: zer0th on January 16, 2024, 10:44:27 PM
I wasn't going to post here because I don't have much to say about the departed. I just found out that I have been using one of Jaquays' books for a campaign in the past year: Savage Frontier. But since this has been derailed beyond salvage, I will add that pawsplay attempts to build arguments out of State authority are pathetic. I wonder whether or not pawsplay would be such a defender of legalism, if Jaquays and him lived in a country that didn't allow one to change one's legal gender. Would you complain about the people that here in this thread decided to use Jennell because Saudi Arabia DMV didn't recognize Jennell, only Paul?

I wish my post and pawsplay's and all replies to him would be deleted from this thread.

So how is Savage Frontier?

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on January 17, 2024, 05:43:10 AM
Really sad to hear this, Griffin Mountain was easily one of the best products of its time and is an obvious inspiration for Mythras Monster Island.

I'm no art expert but I think Jennell did some great pieces.

I've ever even heard of Griffin Mountain. What is it?

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:29:52 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 17, 2024, 03:09:58 PM
But if this fucking asshat showed up at a funeral and started spouting off ideological points using the dead for his own goals, I'd drag him the fuck out of the funeral home and throw him out in disgust.  The only reason I give a fuck is the disrespect this person is showing to the dead, I fucking hate ghouls.

I've been friends with Jennell on FB for years. Her death personally affects me. All I've asked for is the basic courtesy of someone being called by their name. You're the ghoul. If this were an actual funeral home, and you showed up, and starting calling her by her deadname and using the pronouns you prefer, you would be thrown out.  Maybe in your mind you're a big hero. All you've done really is try to erase who she is.

Show of hands. Who here has actually had an interaction with her? Who here actually cried when they got the news? Who promoted the crowdfunding campaign to help her family? If you didn't raise your hand at least once, you're not at the funeral. You're some rando on the Internet whose head is so far up their ass, you think it's your job to lecture everyone on what name should go on the fucking memorial plaque.

I agree with you that you should try and call people by the name they prefer. It's why I called Pundit, Pundit. Even if Pundit has done other things under another name, it's right to respect his preference for name used here.

I agree with you it's polite to call people the gender they prefer to be called. Even if I find it confusing at times. It doesn't matter to me. It hurts me in no way. I don't get being agitated about it. It doesn't seem relevant to the discussion.

In this case, I don't think the discussion about transgenderism is productive and it seems to be distracting the discussion from discussing this person's lifes work. Work I am genuinely curious about, and there are many people here who know a lot more about it than me and seem willing to talk about it.

Quote from: Mistwell on January 17, 2024, 11:57:14 PM

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on January 17, 2024, 05:43:10 AM
Really sad to hear this, Griffin Mountain was easily one of the best products of its time and is an obvious inspiration for Mythras Monster Island.

I'm no art expert but I think Jennell did some great pieces.

I've ever even heard of Griffin Mountain. What is it?

It's a wilderness campaign for RuneQuest, published in 1981, written by Jaquays along with Rudy Kraft and Greg Stafford. I have a copy but have never run it (or played in Glorantha at all - my RQ games used other settings).

https://www.chaosium.com/griffin-mountain-softcover-pod/

Quote from: Mistwell on January 17, 2024, 11:57:14 PM

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on January 17, 2024, 05:43:10 AM
Really sad to hear this, Griffin Mountain was easily one of the best products of its time and is an obvious inspiration for Mythras Monster Island.

I'm no art expert but I think Jennell did some great pieces.

I've ever even heard of Griffin Mountain. What is it?

One of the best RPG products of all time

No idea how to post images here so thanks jhkim

Quote from: DocJones on January 17, 2024, 09:36:35 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DhXhPxL.png)

That Jennelle sounds like an asshole.  I liked Paul better.

Oh wow!

This was written by someone in some seriously bad mental mess.  Massive red flags, massive cry for help.

Quote from: Mistwell on January 17, 2024, 11:56:03 PM
So how is Savage Frontier?

It is pretty good. Every paragraph has something to which you can hook a story. Just grab that hook and start hanging your own stuff there. The boxed set The North also lists Jaquays as one of the authors, and it is basically The Savage Frontier expanded for AD&D2. I am running a campaign for people who played a lot Neverwinter Nights and I started with The Lost Mine of Phandelver moved to 1368 DR, now peppered with plot points and NPCs I built out of Jaquays work on FR to be explored after the mines.

Quote from: zer0th on January 18, 2024, 08:44:51 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on January 17, 2024, 11:56:03 PM
So how is Savage Frontier?

It is pretty good. Every paragraph has something to which you can hook a story. Just grab that hook and start hanging your own stuff there. The boxed set The North also lists Jaquays as one of the authors, and it is basically The Savage Frontier expanded for AD&D2. I am running a campaign for people who played a lot Neverwinter Nights and I started with The Lost Mine of Phandelver moved to 1368 DR, now peppered with plot points and NPCs I built out of Jaquays work on FR to be explored after the mines.

How compatible is it with non DnD games?

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 17, 2024, 02:26:55 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 01:17:02 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on January 17, 2024, 10:33:46 AM
Sad to see one of those working in the rpg industry pass away.

Are you? You just called her a goat pretending to be a person.

leave it to a racist science denier to not understand literary concepts like metaphor

Talk about being dense and disingenuous on purpose.

Then again the Trolll denies real science and objective reality. Why would a metaphor even register in the trolls carefully constructed personal narrative.

Quote from: BadApple on January 18, 2024, 06:45:12 AM

Quote from: DocJones on January 17, 2024, 09:36:35 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DhXhPxL.png)

That Jennelle sounds like an asshole.  I liked Paul better.

Oh wow!

This was written by someone in some seriously bad mental mess.  Massive red flags, massive cry for help.

Is he responding to himself or someone else? If hr is speaking to himself just plain weird.

Quote from: Mistwell on January 18, 2024, 12:02:21 AM
In this case, I don't think the discussion about transgenderism is productive and it seems to be distracting the discussion from discussing this person's lifes work. Work I am genuinely curious about, and there are many people here who know a lot more about it than me and seem willing to talk about it.

In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Looks like the grifters are coming out in full force:
https://www.pcgamer.com/legendary-dandd-and-videogame-designer-jennell-jaquays-is-getting-a-memorial-megadungeon-built-in-her-honour/

Return to Perinthos is being put together by tabletop designer Violet Ballard of RV Games; the plan is for people to submit content for it over the next two weeks, whether that's fully written and illustrated sections of dungeon, or just component parts like maps and map keys that can be fleshed out by the organisers and volunteers.


Going to the website of RV Games just shows that this is going to be a huge scam and it will never be completed like every other project that is led by folks with absolutely no experience on a project of this scale:
https://linkpop.com/idofinternet


The money will flow out of "OMG IM DOIN MY PART FOR TTRNZ RITES!11!" guilt by people.  Calling it now that this will never be released and will be as shoddily managed and the money spent and gone long before anything gets released.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on January 18, 2024, 04:08:09 PM
Looks like the grifters are coming out in full force:
https://www.pcgamer.com/legendary-dandd-and-videogame-designer-jennell-jaquays-is-getting-a-memorial-megadungeon-built-in-her-honour/

Return to Perinthos is being put together by tabletop designer Violet Ballard of RV Games; the plan is for people to submit content for it over the next two weeks, whether that's fully written and illustrated sections of dungeon, or just component parts like maps and map keys that can be fleshed out by the organisers and volunteers.

Going to the website of RV Games just shows that this is going to be a huge scam  and it will never be completed like every other project that is led by folks with absolutely no experience on a project of this scale:

I agree that a megadungeon created by two weeks of open submissions and stitched together will be a shit design, but it's a charity project that donates profits to Jaquays' family, so unless they're lying about that part, then it isn't a scam.

There doesn't seem to be a legal way to buy Caverns of Thracia or other of Jaquays early work, so I'd just download a free copy and make a donation directly to the family. Here's the link for the family's GoFundMe, and it's also in the crowdfunding page:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/jennell-jaquays-has-a-long-road-back

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on January 18, 2024, 02:09:05 PM
In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Fortunately you can learn all about her work and interests by spending a few minutes reading Wikipedia.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 18, 2024, 06:54:17 PM

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on January 18, 2024, 02:09:05 PM
In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Fortunately you can learn all about her work and interests by spending a few minutes reading Wikipedia.

Or you can avoid wikipedia and read a reputable source.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 18, 2024, 06:54:17 PM

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on January 18, 2024, 02:09:05 PM
In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Fortunately you can learn all about her work and interests by spending a few minutes reading Wikipedia.

HG: "It's confusing, because their history seems obfuscated."

Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned! their birth name from the header on Jan 10th, and their birth name from the entire body of the article!*"

*Apologies if another zealot did any of that editing, I have to assume it was at least mostly you going from your past comments.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

Honesty? LOL. For someone driven by an agenda like this, honesty is merely an inconvenience.

Pawsplay an interesting character. First I was thinking trans zealot, then troll, and now I'm thinking anti-trans agitator. I have no problem with trans people as long as they don't try to tell me what to do or how to think. But with friends like pawsplay, trans people don't need enemies. Even some of our more left leaning friends here have noticed this.

Maybe his intentions are honest and only the delivery is profoundly tone deaf. Or perhaps we are feeding a troll. Oh well, trolls gotta eat, too. It is a mystery!

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

The "born Paul" reference was added on January 11th. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&diff=prev&oldid=1195000436

Quote from: RNGm on January 19, 2024, 12:39:52 PM

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM
You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

The "born Paul" reference was added on January 11th. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&diff=prev&oldid=1195000436

That was simply restoring the previous text after a bunch of edits on January 10. The prior "born Paul Jaquays" reference was in place from January 13 2022 to January 10 2024, and that was simply replacing the prior phrasing "formerly Paul Jaquays" reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=1065515841

Back in June 2012, the page has had "Born: Paul Jaquays" in place on the right with birth date, and the reference has largely stayed there since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=498437804

Quote from: jhkim on January 19, 2024, 12:56:41 PM

Quote from: RNGm on January 19, 2024, 12:39:52 PM

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM
You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

The "born Paul" reference was added on January 11th. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&diff=prev&oldid=1195000436

That was simply restoring the previous text after a bunch of edits on January 10. The prior "born Paul Jaquays" reference was in place from January 13 2022 to January 10 2024, and that was simply replacing the prior phrasing "formerly Paul Jaquays" reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=1065515841

Back in June 2012, the page has had "Born: Paul Jaquays" in place on the right with birth date, and the reference has largely stayed there since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=498437804

Thanks for clarifying.  I just knew it wasn't there when I checked out the wiki page after the announcement of the death since I didn't know who was being talked about as someone who didn't really start playing D&D until 3e.   

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

So in a wiki I read last week and it didn't Mention Paul at the top, because it had been edited out, I missed the 1 reference under the picture. I must be a nefarious trickster indeed.

The same wiki that uses the name Paul twice (was once,) but uses Jennell six times. Despite the first 55 years, where all of the work happened, being Paul.

The line about the transition I misremembered, mea culpa. Of course if you were actually looking for accuracy over scoring points, you would have just corrected me rather than smearing me.

ADDENDUM: I have modified my original post for corrections.

Sorry if I overreacted, Grognard, but your message I responded to read to me as if you were smearing pawsplay without justification.

I appreciate some of the voices here that I don't see on rpg.net, but I'm pretty sick of a lot of the culture.

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 02:58:14 PM
Sorry if I overreacted, Grognard, but your message I responded to read to me as if you were smearing pawsplay without justification.

I appreciate some of the voices here that I don't see on rpg.net, but I'm pretty sick of a lot of the culture.

Apology accepted. I'd hope by now that I have earned enough cache here for people not to jump to the worst conclusion at anything I say.

As far as smearing pawsplay without justification...wowza.

As far as 'sick of a lot of the culture' here, I'm not sure what you expect? I mean I do, you expect the other sites to drive us all away, and then this site to be 'reasonable' and 'balanced' which means tone policing, and becoming welcoming to the people that have taken over every other rpg site.

Quote from: GhostNinja on January 17, 2024, 05:34:35 PMWhether TheRPGPundit is here or not doesn't matter one bit to me.

But you are clearly NOT pushing left-leaning politics. Which was my point. And which IS something Pawsplay seems to be doing.

Quote from: zer0th on January 16, 2024, 10:44:27 PM
I wasn't going to post here because I don't have much to say about the departed. I just found out that I have been using one of Jaquays' books for a campaign in the past year: Savage Frontier. But since this has been derailed beyond salvage, I will add that pawsplay attempts to build arguments out of State authority are pathetic. I wonder whether or not pawsplay would be such a defender of legalism, if Jaquays and him lived in a country that didn't allow one to change one's legal gender. Would you complain about the people that here in this thread decided to use Jennell because Saudi Arabia DMV didn't recognize Jennell, only Paul?

I wish my post and pawsplay's and all replies to him would be deleted from this thread.

The one about the northern lands? Luskan and some other notable locales? That was alot of writing! They packed quite a bit into the booklet.

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on January 18, 2024, 08:49:00 AM
How compatible is it with non DnD games?

Well... The Savage Frontier is about the northwestern corner of Faerûn, so it is an AD&D1's Forgotten Realms product. But if you are playing Forgotten Realms using a different system, it is still pretty useful. Most of the book is descriptive, dealing with the history, peoples, towns, and npcs of the North. I think I would get The North boxed set though (still credited to Jaquays mostly), I remember that there were only one or two things that was in The Savage Frontier and not in The North that made to my campaign notes.

On the other hand, if you are NOT playing at all in the Forgotten Realms, the book is not useful at all. It isn't a book about running campaigns in any frontier of civilization, or even some generic frontier that you can fit in any other fantasy world without issue. It is rooted in the Realms, with connections to the neighboring regions and assuming the Faerûnian pantheon.

Quote from: Omega on January 20, 2024, 01:59:28 AM
The one about the northern lands? Luskan and some other notable locales? That was alot of writing! They packed quite a bit into the booklet.

Indeed! I only made notes about the area around the Triboar Trail for my campaign and it is already a lot of interesting and non-repetitive goodies that I hope my players will bite eventually.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 05:18:32 PM
Apology accepted. I'd hope by now that I have earned enough cache here for people not to jump to the worst conclusion at anything I say.

As far as smearing pawsplay without justification...wowza.

As far as 'sick of a lot of the culture' here, I'm not sure what you expect? I mean I do, you expect the other sites to drive us all away, and then this site to be 'reasonable' and 'balanced' which means tone policing, and becoming welcoming to the people that have taken over every other rpg site.

Well, you were lying and wrong, so.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 20, 2024, 04:16:37 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 05:18:32 PM
Apology accepted. I'd hope by now that I have earned enough cache here for people not to jump to the worst conclusion at anything I say.

As far as smearing pawsplay without justification...wowza.

As far as 'sick of a lot of the culture' here, I'm not sure what you expect? I mean I do, you expect the other sites to drive us all away, and then this site to be 'reasonable' and 'balanced' which means tone policing, and becoming welcoming to the people that have taken over every other rpg site.

Well, you were lying and wrong, so.

Naw he's not lying your a leftard dragging the corpse of Jennel to get political points and to enforce your fucked up social constructionist view on people.  You really aren't liked and I'll make you feel it.  You don't have the ability to compel people to accept your world view.  Jennel was born a man and died man.  Everyone knows it and so do you.  He had a mental problem and wanted to be viewed as a woman.  Most people are ok with it face to face as am I.  But I'm not going to play that game outside of the person with the mental illness.  Between men there always is a social agreement of violence taking place in arguments and its not worth getting axed down because you didn't play make believe.  So as to gatekeeping, tone policing, yeah you are going to get it, why?  Because site without heavy leftwing moderation always goes to the right of the argument due to merit.  People can say whatever they want on they want, but its best say your peace once, talk about how cruel people to a person whose dead, never cared about their views in the first place, never known them or would in the first place but when you continue to drag said dead person that is when people had issues with you, that is when it became very obvious it was political for you and not friendship.  Ghoul comes to mind. 

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 20, 2024, 05:20:38 PM
People can say whatever they want on they want, but its best say your peace once, talk about how cruel people to a person whose dead, never cared about their views in the first place, never known them or would in the first place but when you continue to drag said dead person that is when people had issues with you, that is when it became very obvious it was political for you and not friendship.  Ghoul comes to mind.

Oh, were you friends with Jennell?

Quote from: pawsplay on January 20, 2024, 06:45:56 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 20, 2024, 05:20:38 PM
People can say whatever they want on they want, but its best say your peace once, talk about how cruel people to a person whose dead, never cared about their views in the first place, never known them or would in the first place but when you continue to drag said dead person that is when people had issues with you, that is when it became very obvious it was political for you and not friendship.  Ghoul comes to mind.

Oh, were you friends with Jennell?

I mean, they didn't exchange messages on Facebook, so not true blue buddies like you were with them.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 20, 2024, 08:52:47 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 20, 2024, 06:45:56 PM
Oh, were you friends with Jennell?

I mean, they didn't exchange messages on Facebook, so not true blue buddies like you were with them.

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1165384084856508507/1198446685865652327/GBGII4IWcAAjnvB.png)

Quote from: pawsplay on January 20, 2024, 06:45:56 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 20, 2024, 05:20:38 PM
People can say whatever they want on they want, but its best say your peace once, talk about how cruel people to a person whose dead, never cared about their views in the first place, never known them or would in the first place but when you continue to drag said dead person that is when people had issues with you, that is when it became very obvious it was political for you and not friendship.  Ghoul comes to mind.

Oh, were you friends with Jennell?

Good strawman.  No one cares about people they never met, never talked to, and are anonymous online and never could know.  I get you are douche, but you aren't helping yourself.  You might as well be writing you care about a strand of DNA on another planet.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 21, 2024, 12:26:30 AMYou might as well be writing you care about a strand of DNA on another planet.

Paws would care, if the strand of DNA Transitioned.

Or if it died, then Paws could posthumously say the DNA was Trans, and it proved Cis DNA is abhorrent to Earth.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 21, 2024, 12:42:00 AM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 21, 2024, 12:26:30 AMYou might as well be writing you care about a strand of DNA on another planet.

Paws would care, if the strand of DNA Transitioned.

Or if it died, then Paws could posthumously say the DNA was Trans, and it proved Cis DNA is abhorrent to Earth.

The scary thing about people like pawsy, they are against genetics as a science.  The social constructivist fucks took over Russia, put up Lysenko as a biologist who went against genetics, sent thousands of biologists to gulags to get them to comply and then that whackjob who was against the enlightenment and scientific method went back to magical creation model (think 1200 AD) where he put rye in a freezer to create wheat.  Tens of millions of people died due to that nutter hating biology replacement of genetics for agriculture. The chinese followed his methods to help starve 50M to death there as well. Good thing our biologists are standing up defending biological sex because they know history, oh wait.

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It really is a shame to see a bright and wonderful games designer fall prey to mental illness. I wish others could see how unacceptable that is but they'd rather make themselves feel good by pretending to be moral and telling a mentally ill person what they want to hear. Even though it causes them more suffering and inevitably leads to well.. you know what he did.

Quote from: Digitalelf on January 20, 2024, 12:24:36 AM
But you are clearly NOT pushing left-leaning politics. Which was my point. And which IS something Pawsplay seems to be doing.

This is true.  I don't want any politics mixed up with my gaming.  I dont want it when I am forum posting and I do not allow it at either of my tables when I am running a game.  If someone says something political I will warn them.

I haven't had to kick anyone out for being political yet.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 21, 2024, 09:16:30 AM
The scary thing about people like pawsy, they are against genetics as a science.  The social constructivist fucks took over Russia, put up Lysenko as a biologist who went against genetics, sent thousands of biologists to gulags to get them to comply and then that whackjob who was against the enlightenment and scientific method went back to magical creation model (think 1200 AD) where he put rye in a freezer to create wheat.

I haven't talked with pawsplay about genetics - but in general, the transgender people who I have known are all very well informed about the genetics of sex including chromosomes, human sexual dimorphism, and the effects of testosterone and estrogen not just for those in transition, but in general human development. If I asked a tricky scientific question about sexual differences - like say, whether men or women on average had a higher white blood cell count, or the different intersex conditions - I'd guess that a transgender person is more likely to get the right answer. They are typically well-read on medical science relating to their situation.

A good friend of mine wrote a memoir about her transition over the last few years, and some of the more intriguing parts were when she explained about the science of sexual differences and medical details. This is her book:

https://www.amazon.com/Dragonfly-Memoir-Marie-Maxham/dp/B0BSJBWWTT

I would expect that Jaquays was also well-informed and believed in the medical science of sexual differences.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 21, 2024, 09:16:30 AM
The scary thing about people like pawsy, they are against genetics as a science.  The social constructivist fucks took over Russia, put up Lysenko as a biologist who went against genetics, sent thousands of biologists to gulags to get them to comply and then that whackjob who was against the enlightenment and scientific method went back to magical creation model (think 1200 AD) where he put rye in a freezer to create wheat.

I haven't talked with pawsplay about genetics - but in general, the transgender people who I have known are all very well informed about the genetics of sex including chromosomes, human sexual dimorphism, and the effects of testosterone and estrogen not just for those in transition, but in general human development. If I asked a tricky scientific question about sexual differences - like say, whether men or women on average had a higher white blood cell count, or the different intersex conditions - I'd guess that a transgender person is more likely to get the right answer. They are typically well-read on medical science relating to their situation.

A good friend of mine wrote a memoir about her transition over the last few years, and some of the more intriguing parts were when she explained about the science of sexual differences and medical details. This is her book:

https://www.amazon.com/Dragonfly-Memoir-Marie-Maxham/dp/B0BSJBWWTT

I would expect that Jaquays was also well-informed and believed in the medical science of sexual differences.

The argument that a man can put on a costume and become a woman is a social constructivist argument.  The social constructivist argument discounts genetics over environment, or put in laymen's terms make believe is real if they say so.  So yes anti-genetics and anti-science.  But hey with enough threats made to bilogists they can get them to say whatever they are told to agree with the social constructivist arguments even though its all magical thinking.

I am prepared to do genetics at twenty paces with anyone who is not an actual practicing or former genetic researcher.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 22, 2024, 03:08:54 PM
I am prepared to do genetics at twenty paces with anyone who is not an actual practicing or former genetic researcher.

Male is XY and Female is XX, easy right.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 21, 2024, 09:16:30 AM
The scary thing about people like pawsy, they are against genetics as a science.  The social constructivist fucks took over Russia, put up Lysenko as a biologist who went against genetics, sent thousands of biologists to gulags to get them to comply and then that whackjob who was against the enlightenment and scientific method went back to magical creation model (think 1200 AD) where he put rye in a freezer to create wheat.

I haven't talked with pawsplay about genetics - but in general, the transgender people who I have known are all very well informed about the genetics of sex including chromosomes, human sexual dimorphism, and the effects of testosterone and estrogen not just for those in transition, but in general human development. If I asked a tricky scientific question about sexual differences - like say, whether men or women on average had a higher white blood cell count, or the different intersex conditions - I'd guess that a transgender person is more likely to get the right answer. They are typically well-read on medical science relating to their situation.

A good friend of mine wrote a memoir about her transition over the last few years, and some of the more intriguing parts were when she explained about the science of sexual differences and medical details. This is her book:

https://www.amazon.com/Dragonfly-Memoir-Marie-Maxham/dp/B0BSJBWWTT

I would expect that Jaquays was also well-informed and believed in the medical science of sexual differences.

The argument that a man can put on a costume and become a woman is a social constructivist argument.  The social constructivist argument discounts genetics over environment, or put in laymen's terms make believe is real if they say so.  So yes anti-genetics and anti-science.  But hey with enough threats made to bilogists they can get them to say whatever they are told to agree with the social constructivist arguments even though its all magical thinking.

Agreed. They're no better than Jamie Gumm from Silence of the Lambs.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 22, 2024, 03:14:42 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 22, 2024, 03:08:54 PM
I am prepared to do genetics at twenty paces with anyone who is not an actual practicing or former genetic researcher.

Male is XY and Female is XX, easy right.

LOL!

There's quite a bit more to it than that, but that's a discussion tangent.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 22, 2024, 03:08:54 PM
I am prepared to do genetics at twenty paces with anyone who is not an actual practicing or former genetic researcher.

Male is XY and Female is XX, easy right.

LOL!

There's quite a bit more to it than that, but that's a discussion tangent.

For this discussion yes.  Why don't you bring up Klinefelter, I love that ole chestnut by the social constructionist.

I'm late to this particular party.  I'll refrain from talking about most of Paul's work because I don't share the admiration, but I am grateful to him for keeping the Citybook series alive for an additional three volumes.  The Citybooks are the only original RPG works from that era I've bothered to keep.

Quote from: daniel_ream on January 22, 2024, 04:17:03 PM
I'm late to this particular party.  I'll refrain from talking about most of Paul's work because I don't share the admiration, but I am grateful to him for keeping the Citybook series alive for an additional three volumes.  The Citybooks are the only original RPG works from that era I've bothered to keep.

I'm not familiar with the Citybook series. What are they like, and why do you like them more than any other stuff from the era?

Quote from: daniel_ream on January 22, 2024, 04:17:03 PM
I'm late to this particular party.  I'll refrain from talking about most of Paul's work because I don't share the admiration, but I am grateful to him for keeping the Citybook series alive for an additional three volumes.  The Citybooks are the only original RPG works from that era I've bothered to keep.

If you want to look at an autopsy of D&D Zines, in The Dungeoneer Jennel put out an attempt of an early faction based dungeon, one of the earlier examples.  For its time it was a revolutionary, like 3d6 for stats being revolutionary concept. 

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 22, 2024, 04:25:06 PM

Quote from: daniel_ream on January 22, 2024, 04:17:03 PM
I'm late to this particular party.  I'll refrain from talking about most of Paul's work because I don't share the admiration, but I am grateful to him for keeping the Citybook series alive for an additional three volumes.  The Citybooks are the only original RPG works from that era I've bothered to keep.

If you want to look at an autopsy of D&D Zines, in The Dungeoneer Jennel put out an attempt of an early faction based dungeon, one of the earlier examples.  For its time it was a revolutionary, like 3d6 for stats being revolutionary concept.

I've been looking over Caverns of Thracia which has a number of factions. My limited personal experience of Judges' Guild dungeons was going through a gonzo-ish hodgepodge of monsters and traps -- but Caverns of Thracia seems very differently organized and looks great. I'm just starting to go through it, though.

How would you (speaking to anyone) compare material in The Dungeoneer vs Caverns of Thracia vs Citybooks?

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Quote from: daniel_ream on January 22, 2024, 04:17:03 PM
I'm late to this particular party.  I'll refrain from talking about most of Paul's work because I don't share the admiration, but I am grateful to him for keeping the Citybook series alive for an additional three volumes.  The Citybooks are the only original RPG works from that era I've bothered to keep.

If you want to look at an autopsy of D&D Zines, in The Dungeoneer Jennel put out an attempt of an early faction based dungeon, one of the earlier examples.  For its time it was a revolutionary, like 3d6 for stats being revolutionary concept.

I've been looking over Caverns of Thracia which has a number of factions. My limited personal experience of Judges' Guild dungeons was going through a gonzo-ish hodgepodge of monsters and traps -- but Caverns of Thracia seems very differently organized and looks great. I'm just starting to go through it, though.

How would you (speaking to anyone) compare material in The Dungeoneer vs Caverns of Thracia vs Citybooks?

Nah dude, that's the adventures, its F'chelrak's Tomb.  It should be in the dungeoneer 1.  I can't find the video by the guy who did the walk through of it, pretty well done.

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Quote from: jhkim on January 22, 2024, 04:58:44 PM
I've been looking over Caverns of Thracia which has a number of factions. My limited personal experience of Judges' Guild dungeons was going through a gonzo-ish hodgepodge of monsters and traps -- but Caverns of Thracia seems very differently organized and looks great. I'm just starting to go through it, though.

How would you (speaking to anyone) compare material in The Dungeoneer vs Caverns of Thracia vs Citybooks?

Nah dude, that's the adventures, its F'chelrak's Tomb.  It should be in the dungeoneer 1.  I can't find the video by the guy who did the walk through of it, pretty well done.

Thanks. I wasn't clear which adventure you were referring to. Is this the video you were thinking of?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9SYF--k3HU

Also, this was a print overview of the dungeon.

https://princeofnothingblogs.wordpress.com/2022/02/26/review-fchelraks-tomb-odd-back-to-the-source/

F'Chelrak's Tomb sounds historically significant as one of the first published dungeons ever, but it doesn't sound like it has factions and has little backstory. Caverns of Thracia has a very intricate history and factions like the dryads clashing with the Minotaur King - and all ancient Greek themed.

Quote from: jhkim on January 22, 2024, 04:22:24 PM
I'm not familiar with the Citybook series. What are they like, and why do you like them more than any other stuff from the era?

They're a series of system-less sourcebooks (six volumes total) of standalone establishments and their inhabitants of various types one might find in aTypical Fantasy City.  Each establishment was generally written by a different author. The first three are the best; most of the contributors either were or went on to be published fantasy authors and so the quality and verisimilitude is quite high.  The early volumes are generally fairly low-magic, non-humans are rare, and the individual entries independent; the later volumes tend to suffer from the gonzo D&D problem and the writers/editors trying to tie everything together.

Quote from: daniel_ream on January 22, 2024, 04:17:03 PM
I'm late to this particular party.  I'll refrain from talking about most of Paul's work because I don't share the admiration, but I am grateful to him for keeping the Citybook series alive for an additional three volumes.  The Citybooks are the only original RPG works from that era I've bothered to keep.

The Citybook series is a great set and I have at least two from it One being Sideshow which Jaquays studio did. I have seen the other the studio put out, Uptown think was the name.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 22, 2024, 03:33:53 PM

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 22, 2024, 03:08:54 PM
I am prepared to do genetics at twenty paces with anyone who is not an actual practicing or former genetic researcher.

Male is XY and Female is XX, easy right.

LOL!

There's quite a bit more to it than that, but that's a discussion tangent.

For this discussion yes.  Why don't you bring up Klinefelter, I love that ole chestnut by the social constructionist.

"Male is XY and Female is XX" is a social construction. There are numerous conditions where this just isn't true, first of all. Klinefelter is a variation that involves something other than XX or XY configurations. But androgen insensitivity syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome) is a situation where an XY individual has feminine characteristics; CAIS leads to the development of the vulva.

But that really ignores a more central problem with your 6th grade, 20th century biology lesson. There are lots of different genes for eye color. There are blue eye genes, and brown eyes genes, and within those categories, countless genetic variations. That is equally true of X and Y. There is no one X gene, there is no one Y gene. There are genes that fit those roles (at least, in typical development) and occupy certain positions on the chromosome (again, excepting certain variations like Klinefelter). But the genes themselves come in hundreds of variations. So if the Y chromosome is what determines your gender, then there are millions of genders in the male category, even among typical, non-intersexed, cisgender males. There are in fact about 70 genes on the Y chromosome. There are hundreds on the X, and most do lots of important things that have nothing do do with sex determination, per se.

So if I accept your construction at face value, that XY is your sex, then your social construction is that there are more genders than there are people who visit Disneyland each year. If your "sex" is the expression of your X and Y chromosomes, and you are a male, then most likely your "sex" (the influence of that chromosome on the body) is mostly your mom's sex, with a little add-on package from your dad. There is nothing at all about the Y chromosome that is essential to your human development; genetically typical women (in this sense, most people AFAB) get along fine with none of it.

You don't even know what X and Y chromosomes are. And you want to talk to me about real biology?

Quote from: pawsplay on January 23, 2024, 04:06:19 PM
You don't even know what X and Y chromosomes are. And you want to talk to me about real biology?

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 23, 2024, 04:06:19 PM

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 22, 2024, 03:30:44 PM

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 22, 2024, 03:14:42 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 22, 2024, 03:08:54 PM
I am prepared to do genetics at twenty paces with anyone who is not an actual practicing or former genetic researcher.

Male is XY and Female is XX, easy right.

Son, Male is a biological

LOL!

There's quite a bit more to it than that, but that's a discussion tangent.

For this discussion yes.  Why don't you bring up Klinefelter, I love that ole chestnut by the social constructionist.

"Male is XY and Female is XX" is a social construction. There are numerous conditions where this just isn't true, first of all. Klinefelter is a variation that involves something other than XX or XY configurations. But androgen insensitivity syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome) is a situation where an XY individual has feminine characteristics; CAIS leads to the development of the vulva.

But that really ignores a more central problem with your 6th grade, 20th century biology lesson. There are lots of different genes for eye color. There are blue eye genes, and brown eyes genes, and within those categories, countless genetic variations. That is equally true of X and Y. There is no one X gene, there is no one Y gene. There are genes that fit those roles (at least, in typical development) and occupy certain positions on the chromosome (again, excepting certain variations like Klinefelter). But the genes themselves come in hundreds of variations. So if the Y chromosome is what determines your gender, then there are millions of genders in the male category, even among typical, non-intersexed, cisgender males. There are in fact about 70 genes on the Y chromosome. There are hundreds on the X, and most do lots of important things that have nothing do do with sex determination, per se.

So if I accept your construction at face value, that XY is your sex, then your social construction is that there are more genders than there are people who visit Disneyland each year. If your "sex" is the expression of your X and Y chromosomes, and you are a male, then most likely your "sex" (the influence of that chromosome on the body) is mostly your mom's sex, with a little add-on package from your dad. There is nothing at all about the Y chromosome that is essential to your human development; genetically typical women (in this sense, most people AFAB) get along fine with none of it.

You don't even know what X and Y chromosomes are. And you want to talk to me about real biology?

Son, Male is a biological term for an individual possessing XY chromosome.  Female is a biological term for an individual possessing XX chromosome.  Is Klinefelter successful?  Does klinefelter breed true?  Could you take a Klinefelter and have him fuck you in your wound between your legs you use to pleasure gay men and would you be able to produce a child?  Lets pretend the social construct between your legs could give birth, would it be XXY, would it then be a third sex?  Now, the next thing a leftard like you will say is yes Klinefelter can breeed, with genetic engineering through cloning sure or gene therapy to try to produce viable sperm.  Is Klinefelter successful, no.  Successful are able to breed true with no intervention through mankind.  At best klinefelter is intersexed or simply an unsuccessful genetic mutation.  Could you even take a klinefelter, breed him to a woman and breed a new line of xxy in the wild, no, no you could not.  Why, because sex in humans is binary.  There are unsuccessful genetic mutations, hermaphrodites and intersex depending on your preference, but they are not successful they will not breed true.

I used Klinefelter for you to show your ass to the board son.  I was surprised  you are so far gone into the gender neutral cult you are calling biological terms social constructs.  How long have you been leftarded because for someone to go that far down the gender neutral cult is quite impressive.  How do you keep yourself from joining the 41%, I'm truly amazed.

And then you can't even argue your point and maintain consistency, sex is a biological term, gender is a social construct term that originated by John Money.  Do you want to talk about John Money next.  Because what that man did to those two boys led them to their deaths.  And his research is used for "gender is a social construct".  Have you listened to their parents discuss what Money did to their sons getting them to commit incest for his "research" and how they wished they never met the monster that leftards use to justify genital mutilation of children.

Let's listen to David's own words before he took his own life in 2000.  You know he died so that fucktards like you could use his death to spread the misery to children:



John Money, pure fraud.  Same as gender is a social construct line of reasoning.

Lets read about the death of Reimer, denied of his ability to sire a child who was put on a cross for leftards like you paws to state "gender is a social construct".

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-may-13-me-reimer13-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2004-may-13-me-reimer13-story.html)

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 23, 2024, 05:50:12 PM
Son, Male is a biological term for an individual possessing XY chromosome.  Female is a biological term for an individual possessing XX chromosome.  Is Klinefelter successful?  Does klinefelter breed true?  Could you take a Klinefelter and have him fuck you in your wound between your legs you use to pleasure gay men and would you be able to produce a child?

Substantive science is based on observable experimental results, not nomenclature. For example, debates like whether Pluto is a planet or a dwarf planet aren't science vs anti-science.

Is there a case where you think transgender advocates would predict one observable result (i.e. not just nomenclature), but the observable physical result is different?

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 23, 2024, 05:50:12 PM
And then you can't even argue your point and maintain consistency, sex is a biological term, gender is a social construct term that originated by John Money.

Today's transgender people have completely rejected John Money's ridiculous assertions from the 1970s. They don't think that sex-based tendencies are just social conditioning. If anything, they sometimes place too much on genetics. And in any case, they support more scientific research into genetics as well as into the effects of hormones like testosterone and estrogen. They believe in genetic effects -- just that they also want research into how to simulate some of those genetic effects through hormones and/or intervention.

This can also be a help to non-transgender patients, like intersex patients who want to live as if they were a more average man or woman.

Whereas, say, anti-racism advocates sometimes push against conducting more genetic studies of racial characteristics, transgender advocates don't object to genetic research. They tend to welcome it.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 23, 2024, 04:06:19 PM
"Male is XY and Female is XX" is a social construction.

No, it's innate and sound biological science.  The idea that you can choose your gender: that is the artificial social construct.
Everything else you said isn't even worth dicussion since it's entirely built upon on your above flawed, nonsensical delusion.


Male is XX, and female is XY.  There are a few rare genetic variants, like Turner's Syndrome, Superfemale, etc., but they all are still based on X and Y: No Y chromosome: female.  Y chromosome: male.

It's time to move on past Pawsplay's annoying posts.  There's no way to have a rational discussion with people with no grasp on reality.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 23, 2024, 04:06:19 PM
"Male is XY and Female is XX" is a social construction.

No, it's innate and sound biological science.  The idea that you can choose your gender: that is the artificial social construct.
Everything else you said isn't even worth dicussion since it's entirely built upon on your above flawed, nonsensical delusion.


Male is XX, and female is XY.  There are a few rare genetic variants, like Turner's Syndrome, Superfemale, etc., but they all are still based on X and Y: No Y chromosome: female.  Y chromosome: male.

It's time to move on past Pawsplay's annoying posts.  There's no way to have a rational discussion with people with no grasp on reality.

Or forget about chromosomes all together. Let's dumb it down for us at the back. Male has genitalia to impregnate female who carries and delivers offspring. Aside from diseases or medical conditions, that's how a sexual animal reproduces.

It's so weird that we're treating what in most cases is a mental illness with body-altering hormones and surgery. The lobotomy was considered good medicine at one point.

Should we treat transgender people with kindness and compassion? Yes, of course, but those insisting we should ignore common sense are fools.

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Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 23, 2024, 05:50:12 PM
Son, Male is a biological term for an individual possessing XY chromosome.  Female is a biological term for an individual possessing XX chromosome.  Is Klinefelter successful?  Does klinefelter breed true?  Could you take a Klinefelter and have him fuck you in your wound between your legs you use to pleasure gay men and would you be able to produce a child?

Substantive science is based on observable experimental results, not nomenclature. For example, debates like whether Pluto is a planet or a dwarf planet aren't science vs anti-science.

Is there a case where you think transgender advocates would predict one observable result (i.e. not just nomenclature), but the observable physical result is different?

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on January 23, 2024, 05:50:12 PM
And then you can't even argue your point and maintain consistency, sex is a biological term, gender is a social construct term that originated by John Money.

Today's transgender people have completely rejected John Money's ridiculous assertions from the 1970s. They don't think that sex-based tendencies are just social conditioning. If anything, they sometimes place too much on genetics. And in any case, they support more scientific research into genetics as well as into the effects of hormones like testosterone and estrogen. They believe in genetic effects -- just that they also want research into how to simulate some of those genetic effects through hormones and/or intervention.

This can also be a help to non-transgender patients, like intersex patients who want to live as if they were a more average man or woman.

Whereas, say, anti-racism advocates sometimes push against conducting more genetic studies of racial characteristics, transgender advocates don't object to genetic research. They tend to welcome it.

I suggest you read "Irreversible Damage" by Abigail Shrier if you want to get an idea of how much trans advocates want to openly support research.  You'll find there is quite a lot of reistance against trans research that is objective, as long as its subjective based and pro-trans they will allow it.  You have biologists stating that biological sex is a range and there are more than two sexes.  Look at paws as a layman spouting that rubbish.  There is male, female and at best intersex to be a catch all for harmful genetic mutations that prevent procreation. 

Money was the originator of "gender is a social construct".  We are having people right now advocating for putting children on drugs only approved for chemical castration as an off label use to prevent puberty.  Those children put on puberty blockers for some reason has over a 90% progression to trans and yet those children who were allowed to go through puberty have at least an 80% desistance.  Most children do not develop sexual attraction until after puberty.  And yet that common sense knowledge is being stymied by people who are trans and wish they transitioned at 9.  Well they are less than 0.5% of the population before the "gender is a social construct" has been hoisted upon people.  So one could say quite reliably that 0.5% of the population might be trans to some degree.  Gen Z is now sitting at 3%, so its likely that if we went ahead all the 2.5% of Gen Z supposed trans that got "treated", or 83% are not trans, and the treatment was butchery.  Its more likely than not, a large number of children being put on puberty blockers are not trans, but straight, gay or gee maybe a tomboy or mommas boy and are still not trans and what is being done to them is over ideological views, or better put left wing religious view at this point than anything compassionate or science based.  Just watch "I am Jazz" if you want to see how bad things goes, he's ballooned up in size, talked about regretting it, had his mother threaten on camera to shove the dilator if he didn't use, was put on puberty blockers too early so they had to use his bowl for his hole, its a textbook example of leftwing religious orthodoxy for the view on this rather than letting the boy go through puberty.

If we really were at 3% trans for instance, then we'd have these men and women in their 50's+ who would transition, because really 3% of the population is trans, we aren't seeing that.  When you have researchers try to run studies on the social contagion of trans that you see really bad in girls with autism in the same school, they get blasted as transphobic by trans activists.  We are not looking for facts, when it comes to trans we are looking at very far to the left social constructivists arguments and how dare you question any of it.

We are creating a lot of mentally depressed people who will be on drugs by Pfizer, seeing psychologists for a lifetime and getting follow up surgeries for a lifetime making a lot and I do mean a lot of money for the medical industry.  A child cannot consent, when they turn 18 whatever they want done, its on their own cognizance.  At the very least before this is being pushed onto children then laws need to be in place to protect detransition to allow them to sue to Phycologist, Hospital and Parents who transitioned them when it was obvious a religious push by a parent(s), pscyhologist or doctor, not actual care for the client.  the 3% trans for Gen Z would drop because the profit has been taken out.  Just look at Tavistock in Great Britain for the religious left view where they did not care just give the tits, balls and genital track to rip out, it might as well been their holy sacrament.  Horror story after horror story came out of there before Great Britain had to shut them down.  When you listen to the detransitioners from there, its eerie, they all say they didn't do proper mental health check ups it was all about pushing them through to the surgery.

And when I say religious left, its people on the left end of politics (social constructivist) essentially new marxists.  And yes its a god damn religion.  As an atheist when you sit down at a dinner table and you hear this from a family member "you are going to raise your children gender neutral", its one hell of a smack to the face when you realize, great now we've a new evangelical cult and they want to remove genitalia of children as part of their holy rites and they are spreading.  There are genetic traits towards religion and in the removal of organized religion we are seeing people taking up the social constructivist faith as their religion.  Hell during the Soviet Union there are records of communists getting released from the gulags and then asking if brother stalin is ok because they were seriously worrying about Stalin - you know the guy who sent them to the gulags - that's religion they worshipped stalin as some sort of savior - he wasn't he was a butcher.  The trans ideology as being foisted upon children is a religious view not based on medicine.  Doing it at 18 and above, no issues, because you can consent at 18, not at 6.

Greetings!

*Napalm* is the answer. No mercy.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 23, 2024, 11:17:14 PM
Or forget about chromosomes all together. Let's dumb it down for us at the back. Male has genitalia to impregnate female who carries and delivers offspring. Aside from diseases or medical conditions, that's how a sexual animal reproduces.

The reason chromosomes are important is because it's biology at the most fundamental level.  Ultimately, this is what identifies one's gender.  Genitalia and everything else about one's gender is built upon that principle.  Genitals don't 100% reliably provide the answer, because someone can have birth defects with "intersex" results, or someone who makes classic RPGs for decades, then changes his name, can castrate himself and say, "see?  (No, I don't want to.)  No genitals... FEMALE!" but the chromosomes don't lie, and one's DNA determines one's gender on a fundamental level, regardless of what's going on with that person's privates.

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Quote from: rytrasmi on January 23, 2024, 11:17:14 PM
Or forget about chromosomes all together. Let's dumb it down for us at the back. Male has genitalia to impregnate female who carries and delivers offspring. Aside from diseases or medical conditions, that's how a sexual animal reproduces.

The reason chromosomes are important is because it's biology at the most fundamental level.  Ultimately, this is what identifies one's gender.  Genitalia and everything else about one's gender is built upon that principle.  Genitals don't 100% reliably provide the answer, because someone can have birth defects with "intersex" results, or someone who makes classic RPGs for decades, then changes his name, can castrate himself and say, "see?  (No, I don't want to.)  No genitals... FEMALE!" but the chromosomes don't lie, and one's DNA determines one's gender on a fundamental level, regardless of what's going on with that person's privates.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. Genitalia is part of it but the main idea is the capability to produce offspring. It's harder to bafflegab that one but obviously the genetic argument is stronger.

As for age in your other comment, crazy ain't it. The car rental companies long ago figured out that the brain does not fully mature until about 25. Yet child can start a boulder down a hill based on a feeling.

This thread has, expectantly, gone full Retard.  You don't go full Retard.

I miss Jaquays and all the quite remarkably varied work they did across so many different platforms.

Art.
Writing.
Digital work such as for video games.
Organizing groups.
And more.

Roger Moore was another like that. Versatile and branched into new venues.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on January 24, 2024, 09:41:09 AM
This thread has, expectantly, gone full Retard.  You don't go full Retard.

Was going fine till the usual suspects got involved.

Quote from: rytrasmi on January 23, 2024, 11:17:14 PM
Or forget about chromosomes all together. Let's dumb it down for us at the back. Male has genitalia to impregnate female who carries and delivers offspring.

I heard a definition by the biologists Bret Weinstein and his wife that goes something like "male are individuals who can potentially produce small, mobile gametes at some point of their lives; and females are individuals who can potentially produce big, barely mobile gametes at some point of their lives". I remember them saying they prefer to define by the types of gametes animals (including the human animal) produce because that accounts for all chromosomal issues individuals can have. They are evolutionary biologists, but they were kicked out academia for holding wrongthinking, despite being left-liberals.

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Quote from: THE_Leopold on January 24, 2024, 09:41:09 AM
This thread has, expectantly, gone full Retard.  You don't go full Retard.

Was going fine till the usual suspects got involved.

Not sure why the admin or mods haven't gotten involved since the usual suspects are posting clearly in bad faith.

I shall cherish my Jaquasian products all the more now.  The world was better with this person making games in it.

I could be swayed to avoid using Paul - certainly where it would be hurtful - but it will be a cold day in hell before I ever, EVER adopt the term Xandering.

Just, no.  If Justin Alexander existed, I'd say fuck that guy.  Gladly, I've selected a world where he does not - to the best of my ability anyway.  Going on 13 years or so now...

I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

From the Wiki: Jaquays died from complications of Guillain–Barré syndrome on January 10, 2024, at the age of 67.


You see, Naburimannu? I'm a good boy.

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Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

From the Wiki: Jaquays died from complications of Guillain–Barré syndrome on January 10, 2024, at the age of 67.


You see, Naburimannu? I'm a good boy.

I did look but I missed that.  Thanks for the correction.

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Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

From the Wiki: Jaquays died from complications of Guillain–Barré syndrome on January 10, 2024, at the age of 67.


You see, Naburimannu? I'm a good boy.

The reason this is understated is because it's a vaccine complication.

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Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

From the Wiki: Jaquays died from complications of Guillain–Barré syndrome on January 10, 2024, at the age of 67.


You see, Naburimannu? I'm a good boy.

The reason this is understated is because it's a vaccine complication.

Yeah its the "died suddenly" complication.  I've already burried a sibling about 30 years too early due to "died suddenly", who was a vaccine officianado.

Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

I knew he was in the hospital for sometime before he died.  One of the extremist gaming groups were asking for donations a few months ago.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 25, 2024, 08:47:28 AM

Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

I knew he was in the hospital for sometime before he died.  One of the extremist gaming groups were asking for donations a few months ago.

Again, it was one of those nowhere-as-rare-as-they-should-be deaths we've been seeing since the drug companies got to decide our priorities.

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Quote from: Grognard GM on January 25, 2024, 06:30:59 AM

Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

From the Wiki: Jaquays died from complications of Guillain–Barré syndrome on January 10, 2024, at the age of 67.


You see, Naburimannu? I'm a good boy.

The reason this is understated is because it's a vaccine complication.

I'm sure he was 10x vaccinated quarterly like an obedient NPC.

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 08:52:31 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 25, 2024, 08:47:28 AM

Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

I knew he was in the hospital for sometime before he died.  One of the extremist gaming groups were asking for donations a few months ago.

Again, it was one of those nowhere-as-rare-as-they-should-be deaths we've been seeing since the drug companies got to decide our priorities.

Isn't it weird how if you got hit by a bus while you had the coof, you died of Covid. Yet the people dying after taking the vaccine seem to die of everything but the vaccine.

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Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 08:52:31 AM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 25, 2024, 08:47:28 AM

Quote from: BadApple on January 25, 2024, 06:18:52 AM
I've been trying to find out what Japuays died from and everything I can find is really vague and cagey.  I'm beginning to suspect it was a suicide.

I knew he was in the hospital for sometime before he died.  One of the extremist gaming groups were asking for donations a few months ago.

Again, it was one of those nowhere-as-rare-as-they-should-be deaths we've been seeing since the drug companies got to decide our priorities.

Isn't it weird how if you got hit by a bus while you had the coof, you died of Covid. Yet the people dying after taking the vaccine seem to die of everything but the vaccine.

Yep.  Case in point, we've got two people in this discussion who didn't know. One of them suspected suicide.  The cause is known.  The way to avoid this happening to you is known.  But they'll keep it as secret as possible - as though that were virtuous.  There have been several of these, actually.  Some are on the delivery end, like in this case, and some are on the far end due to heart inflammation.  But it's all hush-hush.  We can't be trusted with information, you see.

There was absolutely no secrecy involved. She got sicks months ago, was diagnosed with Guillain–Barré. She made some progress but continued to struggle. She had several medical events. The last was acute respiratory distress, and she passed quickly after that. All of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

Most cases of Guillain–Barré are simply triggered by an infection. Vaccine reactions are rare. It's still possible there was a vaccine proximate to her illness, but there is no FB post that day to the effect of "well, going to go get stuck" or anything, as is customary among the tribe of vaxxers. So I think that's less likely.

There is still plenty of time to give, if you are able to help.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere was absolutely no secrecy involved.

I've already identified two examples who were not aware this death was due to an immune system attacking its own nerves.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMAll of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

Who is this person you feel I should be on a first name basis with?  If I go look at all the Rebeccas on my own Facebook, I find no such documentation.  Is it possible you're in some kind of inner circle that the rest of us are not?  Could your bias be showing here?

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMMost cases of Guillain–Barré are simply triggered by an infection. Vaccine reactions are rare.

I'm unclear how your qualifications exceed those of the Mayo Clinic.  Please elaborate.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMIt's still possible there was a vaccine proximate to her illness, but there is no FB post that day to the effect of "well, going to go get stuck" or anything, as is customary among the tribe of vaxxers. So I think that's less likely.

You find random, unexplained infection MORE PLAUSIBLE than an experimental thing that was tested on only six laboratory mice?  Do you really?  Really, really?

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere is still plenty of time to give, if you are able to help.

Again with the inner circle.  Virtue signal received, thank you.  Give to whom, in what way, and for what reason?  I communicate poorly, but I dare say you're worse.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMAll of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

They were a game designer, and not even a contemporary one; they weren't a Presidential candidate. No-one is delving into the deep lore for clues.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on January 24, 2024, 09:41:09 AM
This thread has, expectantly, gone full Retard.  You don't go full Retard.

Indeed.

Every single time I try to talk about RPG stuff Jaquays worked on, it does get a good answer. And then immediately the thread returns to stuff which has exactly zero to do with RPG stuff.

Me, I'd like to talk more about the RPGs and video games Jaquays worked on. Several of them I consider pretty key to the way games evolved.

this thread is veritable freak show. first it was one lousy troll trying to fuck it up, but now he's sparring with a whole bunch resident anti-vaxers.
well, okay then.

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Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:07:56 PM
this thread is veritable freak show. first it was one lousy troll trying to fuck it up, but now he's sparring with a whole bunch resident anti-vaxers.
well, okay then.

I like how the othering and labels are so easy to use for drive-bys like this.

I like vaccines.  I don't believe they cause autism.  I think they should be in development until they are proven via testing to do what they say they do without killing people.

That's only "anti-vax" if you're a drug company who feels they have the right to kill people for profit.  To anyone else, it's simply "reasonable".

Use science.  Test your shit.  Only sell stuff that's not snake oil.

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 01:12:04 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere was absolutely no secrecy involved.

I've already identified two examples who were not aware this death was due to an immune system attacking its own nerves.

One of them was someone who failed to read Wikipedia properly.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMAll of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

Who is this person you feel I should be on a first name basis with?  If I go look at all the Rebeccas on my own Facebook, I find no such documentation.  Is it possible you're in some kind of inner circle that the rest of us are not?  Could your bias be showing here?

Jennell's wife.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMMost cases of Guillain–Barré are simply triggered by an infection. Vaccine reactions are rare.

I'm unclear how your qualifications exceed those of the Mayo Clinic.  Please elaborate.

Quote from: The Mayo Clinic
The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome is unknown. But two-thirds of patients report symptoms of an infection in the six weeks preceding. These include a COVID-19, respiratory or a gastrointestinal infection or Zika virus.

Link (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793)

One does not speak unless one knows.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMIt's still possible there was a vaccine proximate to her illness, but there is no FB post that day to the effect of "well, going to go get stuck" or anything, as is customary among the tribe of vaxxers. So I think that's less likely.

You find random, unexplained infection MORE PLAUSIBLE than an experimental thing that was tested on only six laboratory mice?  Do you really?  Really, really?

Six laboratory mice? That's no way to talk about my children. Who were participants in a two year long clinical trial for a COVID vaccine.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere is still plenty of time to give, if you are able to help.

Again with the inner circle.  Virtue signal received, thank you.  Give to whom, in what way, and for what reason?  I communicate poorly, but I dare say you're worse.

What? You have an issue with helping people?

Inner circle? You mean a few hundred of her closest Facebook friends, all of her wife's Facebook friends, various sympathetic RPG industry friends who boosted her story? Steve Jackson games (https://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/2024-01-16?_gl=1*zvq5aj*_ga*NDY5NzQwNTE5LjE2OTIyNTc3MzM.*_ga_BZNY1LRRWR*MTcwNjIwOTgyNy4yNDQuMS4xNzA2MjA5ODQ3LjAuMC4w)? Absolutely everyone on every major RPG board, including this one, if people bothered to read? Basically, absolutely anyone who knew her at all or became curious about her when her situation started making the rounds? That inner circle?

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:10:18 PM
I like vaccines.  I don't believe they cause autism.  I think they should be in development until they are proven via testing to do what they say they do without killing people.

That's only "anti-vax" if you're a drug company who feels they have the right to kill people for profit.  To anyone else, it's simply "reasonable".

Use science.  Test your shit.  Only sell stuff that's not snake oil.

i agree with every word. now, let's see:

Quote from: www.mayoclinic.org
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793

The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome isn't known. The disorder usually appears days or weeks after a respiratory or digestive tract infection. Rarely, recent surgery or vaccination can trigger Guillain-Barre syndrome. There have been cases reported following infection with the Zika virus. Guillain-Barre syndrome may occur after infection with the COVID-19 virus. It's also a rare reaction in those who receive the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

these are not the droids horrible covid vaccine side effects that are "more plausible than random, unexplained infection" you are looking for. nothing to see here. move along.

I see Jaquays has a credit on WG7: Castle Greyhawk, for "Level 4: There's No Place Like Up". Remind me, is that the "We're going to mock Castle Greyhawk" thing, or is that the "Genuine Castle Greyhawk goodness" thing? I think it was the mocking one but I can't recall.

[Edit - I see it is the mocking one on looking it up, and Jaquays contribution is one of the few levels people seemed to like as it made a 2-dimensional dungeon with up/down replacing north/south.]

Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:17:48 PM

Quote from: www.mayoclinic.org
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793

The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome isn't known. The disorder usually appears days or weeks after a respiratory or digestive tract infection. Rarely, recent surgery or vaccination can trigger Guillain-Barre syndrome. There have been cases reported following infection with the Zika virus. Guillain-Barre syndrome may occur after infection with the COVID-19 virus. It's also a rare reaction in those who receive the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

these are not the droids horrible covid vaccine side effects that are "more plausible than random, unexplained infection" you are looking for. nothing to see here. move along.

Bolded points speak for themselves.

You have every right to be dogmatic.  I fully support freedom of religion, including the religion of Science (capital "S") as defined by "I do what the news people are paid to tell me to do".  It just isn't terribly compelling to me as I already have a religion I prefer.

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:29:09 PM
Bolded points speak for themselves.

You have every right to be dogmatic.  I fully support freedom of religion, including the religion of Science (capital "S") as defined by "I do what the news people are paid to tell me to do".  It just isn't terribly compelling to me as I already have a religion I prefer.

First Church of Ignoring Your Own Sources?

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 02:34:27 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:29:09 PM
Bolded points speak for themselves.

You have every right to be dogmatic.  I fully support freedom of religion, including the religion of Science (capital "S") as defined by "I do what the news people are paid to tell me to do".  It just isn't terribly compelling to me as I already have a religion I prefer.

First Church of Ignoring Your Own Sources?

Why leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

I'm supposed to trust you when you behave like this?

Or perhaps that statement wasn't meant for me but as another virtue signal to allies?

Rhetorical...

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:36:15 PM
Why leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

I'm supposed to trust you when you behave like this?

Or perhaps that statement wasn't meant for me but as another virtue signal to allies?

Rhetorical...

I don't quite know how to respond to it. Do you know what the word "rare" means? You suggested the Mayo Clinic would disagree with me. The Mayo Clinic says no one knows the cause, per se, but infections commonly precede G-B, and vaccines rarely do. This supports my statement that G-B is generally believed to be caused mostly by infections, and rarely by vaccines. Since you don't seem to be able to understand those words, I don't know how to understand it for you.

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:36:15 PMWhy leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

Removing parts they don't like is kind of their raison d'être.

The way I had it posted broke the link. I've edited the post so you can find it more easily.

It's not a "part I don't like," I just didn't paste in the whole page. What it says 100% backs up what I said.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 03:02:38 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 02:36:15 PM
Why leave in my statement about the bolded part if you're going to try and undercut the part I bolded by taking it out?

I'm supposed to trust you when you behave like this?

Or perhaps that statement wasn't meant for me but as another virtue signal to allies?

Rhetorical...

I don't quite know how to respond to it. Do you know what the word "rare" means? You suggested the Mayo Clinic would disagree with me. The Mayo Clinic says no one knows the cause, per se, but infections commonly precede G-B, and vaccines rarely do. This supports my statement that G-B is generally believed to be caused mostly by infections, and rarely by vaccines. Since you don't seem to be able to understand those words, I don't know how to understand it for you.

You said it was known to be due to infection 66% of the time.  The Mayo Clinic says the cause in generally unknowable because the science has not been done.  They do know, however, that two of the discontinued vaccines saw it in their side effects list.  There is a conversational-strength link between the condition and direct manipulation of immunity.

The only way you can certain I am wrong is dogma.

I'm not going to exhume and autopsy Janell Jaquays to settle this argument with you.

Believe what you wish.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 02:14:42 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 01:12:04 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere was absolutely no secrecy involved.

I've already identified two examples who were not aware this death was due to an immune system attacking its own nerves.

One of them was someone who failed to read Wikipedia properly.

Quote

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMAll of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

Who is this person you feel I should be on a first name basis with?  If I go look at all the Rebeccas on my own Facebook, I find no such documentation.  Is it possible you're in some kind of inner circle that the rest of us are not?  Could your bias be showing here?

Jennell's wife.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMMost cases of Guillain–Barré are simply triggered by an infection. Vaccine reactions are rare.

I'm unclear how your qualifications exceed those of the Mayo Clinic.  Please elaborate.

Quote from: The Mayo Clinic
The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome is unknown. But two-thirds of patients report symptoms of an infection in the six weeks preceding. These include a COVID-19, respiratory or a gastrointestinal infection or Zika virus.

Link (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793)

One does not speak unless one knows.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMIt's still possible there was a vaccine proximate to her illness, but there is no FB post that day to the effect of "well, going to go get stuck" or anything, as is customary among the tribe of vaxxers. So I think that's less likely.

You find random, unexplained infection MORE PLAUSIBLE than an experimental thing that was tested on only six laboratory mice?  Do you really?  Really, really?

Six laboratory mice? That's no way to talk about my children. Who were participants in a two year long clinical trial for a COVID vaccine.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere is still plenty of time to give, if you are able to help.

Again with the inner circle.  Virtue signal received, thank you.  Give to whom, in what way, and for what reason?  I communicate poorly, but I dare say you're worse.

What? You have an issue with helping people?

Inner circle? You mean a few hundred of her closest Facebook friends, all of her wife's Facebook friends, various sympathetic RPG industry friends who boosted her story? Steve Jackson games (https://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/2024-01-16?_gl=1*zvq5aj*_ga*NDY5NzQwNTE5LjE2OTIyNTc3MzM.*_ga_BZNY1LRRWR*MTcwNjIwOTgyNy4yNDQuMS4xNzA2MjA5ODQ3LjAuMC4w)? Absolutely everyone on every major RPG board, including this one, if people bothered to read? Basically, absolutely anyone who knew her at all or became curious about her when her situation started making the rounds? That inner circle?

Can a mod threadban this fuck for continuing to post off-topic well past the point of absurdity?

Quote from: Brad on January 25, 2024, 03:34:30 PM
Can a mod threadban this fuck for continuing to post off-topic well past the point of absurdity?

Kisses.

Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:07:56 PM
this thread is veritable freak show. first it was one lousy troll trying to fuck it up, but now he's sparring with a whole bunch resident anti-vaxers.
well, okay then.

Well, that reply was helpful in getting things back on track.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 02:14:42 PM
One of them was someone who failed to read Wikipedia properly.

Not that one can trust Wikipedia even if you could read it.

Quote from: pawsplay
Jennell's wife.

*Husband

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Inner circle? You mean a few hundred of her EDIT: his closest Facebook friends, all of her wife's EDIT: his husband's Facebook friends, various sympathetic RPG industry friends who boosted her EDIT: his story? Steve Jackson games (http://biggeekemporium.com/store/paradox)?

SJG are part of "The" Science get your vaccine cult, so if the vaccine was involved in his illness and death, they would dismiss it outright.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 25, 2024, 04:28:33 PM
SJG are part of "The" Science get your vaccine cult, so if the vaccine was involved in his illness and death, they would dismiss it outright.

At a bare minimum, pharma-aligned people will not prominently mention the syndrome, which was my original point.

As an aside, I got my J&J at Kroger in Richardson.  There's a non-zero chance that we'd still have this prominent author today had she been anti-vax.

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Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:07:56 PM
this thread is veritable freak show. first it was one lousy troll trying to fuck it up, but now he's sparring with a whole bunch resident anti-vaxers.
well, okay then.

I like how the othering and labels are so easy to use for drive-bys like this.

I like vaccines.  I don't believe they cause autism.  I think they should be in development until they are proven via testing to do what they say they do without killing people.

That's only "anti-vax" if you're a drug company who feels they have the right to kill people for profit.  To anyone else, it's simply "reasonable".

Use science.  Test your shit.  Only sell stuff that's not snake oil.

Agreed, though we are again way off topic. But the problem is how do you tell whats real or not without taking your meds to a lab and having them tested? People have been crying "placebo!" and worse since probably the turn of the previous century. And how do they KNOW the medicine isnt real?

As for Jaquays. Who knows what cause the illness. It could have simply been they caught something. That does happen. I know! I used to get sick left and right and never had a vaccination.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere was absolutely no secrecy involved.

I've already identified two examples who were not aware this death was due to an immune system attacking its own nerves.

One of them was someone who failed to read Wikipedia properly.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMAll of this was documented on Rebecca's Facebook page, and most of these details can be found in the fundraising campaign to help Rebecca out after this disaster.

Who is this person you feel I should be on a first name basis with?  If I go look at all the Rebeccas on my own Facebook, I find no such documentation.  Is it possible you're in some kind of inner circle that the rest of us are not?  Could your bias be showing here?

Jennell's wife.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMMost cases of Guillain–Barré are simply triggered by an infection. Vaccine reactions are rare.

I'm unclear how your qualifications exceed those of the Mayo Clinic.  Please elaborate.

Quote from: The Mayo Clinic
The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome is unknown. But two-thirds of patients report symptoms of an infection in the six weeks preceding. These include a COVID-19, respiratory or a gastrointestinal infection or Zika virus.

Link (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793)

One does not speak unless one knows.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMIt's still possible there was a vaccine proximate to her illness, but there is no FB post that day to the effect of "well, going to go get stuck" or anything, as is customary among the tribe of vaxxers. So I think that's less likely.

You find random, unexplained infection MORE PLAUSIBLE than an experimental thing that was tested on only six laboratory mice?  Do you really?  Really, really?

Six laboratory mice? That's no way to talk about my children. Who were participants in a two year long clinical trial for a COVID vaccine.

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Quote from: pawsplay on January 25, 2024, 01:02:45 PMThere is still plenty of time to give, if you are able to help.

Again with the inner circle.  Virtue signal received, thank you.  Give to whom, in what way, and for what reason?  I communicate poorly, but I dare say you're worse.

What? You have an issue with helping people?

Inner circle? You mean a few hundred of her closest Facebook friends, all of her wife's Facebook friends, various sympathetic RPG industry friends who boosted her story? Steve Jackson games (https://www.sjgames.com/ill/archive/2024-01-16?_gl=1*zvq5aj*_ga*NDY5NzQwNTE5LjE2OTIyNTc3MzM.*_ga_BZNY1LRRWR*MTcwNjIwOTgyNy4yNDQuMS4xNzA2MjA5ODQ3LjAuMC4w)? Absolutely everyone on every major RPG board, including this one, if people bothered to read? Basically, absolutely anyone who knew her at all or became curious about her when her situation started making the rounds? That inner circle?

Can a mod threadban this fuck for continuing to post off-topic well past the point of absurdity?

Agreed. FFS

Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

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Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

"If they ban and harass us on their sites, as their opposites we must tolerate anything they do, and let them have unlimited chances! They're shitting on the carpet, but what can I do? It's their right of free expression!"

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Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

"If they ban and harass us on their sites, as their opposites we must tolerate anything they do, and let them have unlimited chances! They're shitting on the carpet, but what can I do? It's their right of free expression!"

Yeah, that's a far cry from what's happening in this thread, and you damn well know it.

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Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

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Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

You think I'm new here.  That's neat.

Which of those do you think I did?  What PRECISE accusation are you tossing about here?

Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:07:56 PM
this thread is veritable freak show. first it was one lousy troll trying to fuck it up, but now he's sparring with a whole bunch resident anti-vaxers.
well, okay then.

(https://sundayguardianlive.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/page-11.jpg)

Greetings!

*LAUGHING*!

Fucking awesome meme, Klava! I love it!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Aglondir on January 25, 2024, 11:02:40 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 09:11:35 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

Greetings!

Yeah, Aglondir, it would have been nice to have a thread with comments about people's experiences with Paul's modules, or even discussion of the modules and adventures themselves. That would have been awesome!

But the Fuckstick had to constantly start in on screaming about his fucking favourite degeneracy and shrieking about the tranny politics.

Instead of just talking about Paul's modules and stuff that he worked on, and contributed to.

Like Klava and several others admonished us all--"Don't feed the Troll!"

Which is why I have refrained from commenting much in this entire thread because of the BS started by the Fuckstick Troll.

I always enjoyed The Savage Frontier, and The North. Both were excellent supplements by Paul. I also have immensely enjoyed the Heroes Casting or whatever the title was. A awesome book about Character Backgrounds and Development. Just fantastic.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 11:04:25 PM

Quote from: Aglondir on January 25, 2024, 11:02:40 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 09:11:35 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

You think I'm new here.  That's neat.

Which of those do you think I did?  What PRECISE accusation are you tossing about here?

Why not talk more about RPGs, and less about vaccines and the Mayo Clinic?

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Quote from: Aglondir on January 25, 2024, 11:02:40 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 09:11:35 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

Greetings!

Yeah, Aglondir, it would have been nice to have a thread with comments about people's experiences with Paul's modules, or even discussion of the modules and adventures themselves. That would have been awesome!

But the Fuckstick had to constantly start in on screaming about his fucking favourite degeneracy and shrieking about the tranny politics.

Instead of just talking about Paul's modules and stuff that he worked on, and contributed to.

Like Klava and several others admonished us all--"Don't feed the Troll!"

Which is why I have refrained from commenting much in this entire thread because of the BS started by the Fuckstick Troll.

I always enjoyed The Savage Frontier, and The North. Both were excellent supplements by Paul. I also have immensely enjoyed the Heroes Casting or whatever the title was. A awesome book about Character Backgrounds and Development. Just fantastic.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark I think you're confused.  I'm the one being threatened as though I've been posting porn.  I may be a fuckstick but I didn't start the thread, nor do I feel trans issues are important enough to get excited about.

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Greetings!

Yeah, Cathode Ray! *Laughing*

That's right. That is exactly what I have been doing, reading this mindlessly stupid thread.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Aglondir on January 25, 2024, 11:17:03 PM: [

Why not talk more about RPGs, and less about vaccines and the Mayo Clinic?

Did Ms Jaquays die from a runaway pallet of RPG books?  Because I think it was Guillain-Barré syndrome.

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Quote from: SHARK on January 25, 2024, 11:16:25 PM

Quote from: Aglondir on January 25, 2024, 11:02:40 PM

Quote from: mcbobbo on January 25, 2024, 09:11:35 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on January 25, 2024, 08:00:20 PM
Agreed. FFS

Ah yes, TheRpgSite where we cry for mods instead of making points of our own.

Things have changed, I guess.

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

Greetings!

Yeah, Aglondir, it would have been nice to have a thread with comments about people's experiences with Paul's modules, or even discussion of the modules and adventures themselves. That would have been awesome!

But the Fuckstick had to constantly start in on screaming about his fucking favourite degeneracy and shrieking about the tranny politics.

Instead of just talking about Paul's modules and stuff that he worked on, and contributed to.

Like Klava and several others admonished us all--"Don't feed the Troll!"

Which is why I have refrained from commenting much in this entire thread because of the BS started by the Fuckstick Troll.

I always enjoyed The Savage Frontier, and The North. Both were excellent supplements by Paul. I also have immensely enjoyed the Heroes Casting or whatever the title was. A awesome book about Character Backgrounds and Development. Just fantastic.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Shark I think you're confused.  I'm the one being threatened as though I've been posting porn.  I may be a fuckstick but I didn't start the thread, nor do I feel trans issues are important enough to get excited about.

Greetings!

Oh, well, friend, I never thought you were the fuckstick. The fuckstick Troll has pumped this thread full of nonsense long before you popped in here. You are late to the party, friend! *Laughing*

Don't feed the Troll! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: Klava on January 25, 2024, 02:17:48 PM

Quote from: www.mayoclinic.org
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20362793

The exact cause of Guillain-Barre syndrome isn't known. The disorder usually appears days or weeks after a respiratory or digestive tract infection. Rarely, recent surgery or vaccination can trigger Guillain-Barre syndrome. There have been cases reported following infection with the Zika virus. Guillain-Barre syndrome may occur after infection with the COVID-19 virus. It's also a rare reaction in those who receive the Johnson & Johnson or AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.

these are not the droids horrible covid vaccine side effects that are "more plausible than random, unexplained infection" you are looking for. nothing to see here. move along.

Bolded points speak for themselves.

uh huh, they absolutely do. just in case you didn't notice, mayo clinic is a for profit enterprise. whatever they have there on display on their web-site is first and foremost a sales pitch, the purpose of which is to make you click "request an appointment" button, not to inform you of anything. any person who ever heard any salesman say "well, we don't really know what it is, but..." knows that you can - and should - totally ignore everything that follows after "but".

i'll let you figure the rest out for yourself. or remain "dogmatic" as you call it.

 ??? Can we leave and let rest in peace now?  :)

Quote from: Opaopajr on January 26, 2024, 06:07:54 AM
??? Can we leave and let rest in peace now?  :)

As if that will happen with these fuckwits. They will piss all over Jaquays' grave to push the agenda.

Quote from: SHARK on January 25, 2024, 11:16:25 PM
I always enjoyed The Savage Frontier, and The North

I like the cities of Forgotten Realms, like Waterdeep in The North. But Savage Frontier provided the needed adventuring territory for wilderness adventures in the Realms. If you want to get away from the luxuries of a city, Savage Frontier is one of those go-to supplements.

Holy crap I'm thinking this is a 3rd party product Janelle has produced when I turn and look at my shelf...complete facepalm moment.

I fucking love that box set.

She made the NT Times.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/01/29/multimedia/29Jaquays-01-tlmb/29Jaquays-01-tlmb-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp) (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/arts/jennell-jaquays-dead.html)

Quote from: pawsplay on February 01, 2024, 10:47:57 PM
She made the NT Times.

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2024/01/29/multimedia/29Jaquays-01-tlmb/29Jaquays-01-tlmb-superJumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp) (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/01/arts/jennell-jaquays-dead.html)

(https://i1.wp.com/www.retrovideogamer.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/jennell.jpg?resize=800%2C445&ssl=1)

Quote from: pawsplay on February 01, 2024, 10:47:57 PM
She made the NT Times.

Yes he did.

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on January 27, 2024, 06:11:36 AM
Holy crap I'm thinking this is a 3rd party product Janelle has produced when I turn and look at my shelf...complete facepalm moment.

I fucking love that box set.

I have The North and yep. Jaquays is credited in it. But at a glance, not seeing who did what.

Quote from: Omega on February 02, 2024, 04:43:06 AM

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on January 27, 2024, 06:11:36 AM
Holy crap I'm thinking this is a 3rd party product Janelle has produced when I turn and look at my shelf...complete facepalm moment.

I fucking love that box set.

I have The North and yep. Jaquays is credited in it. But at a glance, not seeing who did what.

I remember we ran a (want to say year long) campaign in the area, age is definitely fuzzing up my memory.

Image looks AI generated.

Quote from: blackstone on February 02, 2024, 11:07:25 AM
Image looks AI generated.

That is absolutely AI...womanwashing is a real thing now, apparently.

It's a man, baby!

The NYT, the "alleged" newspaper of journalistic integrity, used a AI generated image.

Wow....just...wow.

Did they go on to mention that he's transgender, or was that memory-holed?

Quote from: blackstone on February 02, 2024, 12:34:15 PM
Did they go on to mention that he's transgender, or was that memory-holed?

Discussed at about the 75% mark (below the fold if you will).

No mention of working under a prior name.

yeah......horrible AI generated art even

Quote from: blackstone on February 02, 2024, 12:34:15 PM
The NYT, the "alleged" newspaper of journalistic integrity, used a AI generated image.

That image is the same one that was previously chosen for the memorial webpage, presumably by her family:

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/en-ca/obituaries/dallas-tx/jennell-jaquays-11623534

Her funeral is currently being livestreamed, and that picture is on a stand beside the open casket where she is resting.

In the article, the image is described as "Jennell Jaquays in a digital illustration made from a photograph." and credited to "Jennell Jaquays, Gilbert Palau and Jesus Pacheco".

Quote from: jhkim on February 02, 2024, 04:12:25 PM

Quote from: blackstone on February 02, 2024, 12:34:15 PM
The NYT, the "alleged" newspaper of journalistic integrity, used a AI generated image.

That image is the same one that was previously chosen for the memorial webpage, presumably by her family:

https://www.dignitymemorial.com/en-ca/obituaries/dallas-tx/jennell-jaquays-11623534

Her funeral is currently being livestreamed, and that picture is on a stand beside the open casket where she is resting.

In the article, the image is described as "Jennell Jaquays in a digital illustration made from a photograph." and credited to "Jennell Jaquays, Gilbert Palau and Jesus Pacheco".

When I go, my family has been directed to invent the wildest, most impossible stories about me that they can, to share with the baffled audience.

If my funeral is going to be filled with bullshit, at least it should be an inside joke.

Like his gender, Mr. Jaquay's photo is a fake!
But NY Times is such an untrusted rag with no relevance anymore.  This rag an the last years of his life are a perfect match.

EDIT: the sad thing is that I doubt Mr. Jaquays would get anywhere close to this much acclaim for his work in the RPG industry if didn't deny his biological gender..  The acclaim comes BECAUSE of the biology denial.  If it was for his contribution to the industry, he would get the same amount of fanfare as most of the others who have died recently, but was ignored by those outside RPG's niche community because they didn't have trans privilege.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 02, 2024, 04:35:08 PM
Like his gender, Mr. Jaquay's photo is a fake!
But NY Times is such an untrusted rag with no relevance anymore.  This rag an the last years of his life are a perfect match.

EDIT: the sad thing is that I doubt Mr. Jaquays would get anywhere close to this much acclaim for his work in the RPG industry if didn't deny his biological gender..  The acclaim comes BECAUSE of the biology denial.  If it was for his contribution to the industry, he would get the same amount of fanfare as most of the others who have died recently, but was ignored by those outside RPG's niche community because they didn't have trans privilege.

I disagree.  Jaquays was an exemplary games designer and has been recognized for that in multiple circles for decades. 

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 02, 2024, 04:35:08 PM
EDIT: the sad thing is that I doubt Mr. Jaquays would get anywhere close to this much acclaim for his work in the RPG industry if didn't deny his biological gender.. 

Justin Alexander wrote "Jaquaying [sic] the Dungeon" in 2010. She came out as trans in 2011.

To most of the world, outside our little circle of nerddom, she was known as a Quake level design god.

Quote from: BadApple on February 02, 2024, 05:18:13 PM
I disagree.  Jaquays was an exemplary games designer and has been recognized for that in multiple circles for decades.

Yeah, but you can bet your ass there wouldn't be a story in the NYT...whenever Rob Kuntz dies, you think there's going to be a NYT story? He is probably #2 on the list for contributions to the RPG hobby after Gygax, but simply a minor footnote in history.

Quote from: Brad on February 02, 2024, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: BadApple on February 02, 2024, 05:18:13 PM
I disagree.  Jaquays was an exemplary games designer and has been recognized for that in multiple circles for decades.

Yeah, but you can bet your ass there wouldn't be a story in the NYT...whenever Rob Kuntz dies, you think there's going to be a NYT story? He is probably #2 on the list for contributions to the RPG hobby after Gygax, but simply a minor footnote in history.

I'm probably going to be sorry I asked, but where would you put Dave Arneson on that list?

Quote from: BadApple on February 02, 2024, 05:18:13 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 02, 2024, 04:35:08 PM
Like his gender, Mr. Jaquay's photo is a fake!
But NY Times is such an untrusted rag with no relevance anymore.  This rag an the last years of his life are a perfect match.

EDIT: the sad thing is that I doubt Mr. Jaquays would get anywhere close to this much acclaim for his work in the RPG industry if didn't deny his biological gender..  The acclaim comes BECAUSE of the biology denial.  If it was for his contribution to the industry, he would get the same amount of fanfare as most of the others who have died recently, but was ignored by those outside RPG's niche community because they didn't have trans privilege.

I disagree.  Jaquays was an exemplary games designer and has been recognized for that in multiple circles for decades.

Which means jack and shit to the NYT.

They're not getting an article for being a game designer that happened to be Trans, they got it for being a TRANS game designer.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 02, 2024, 05:52:57 PM

Quote from: BadApple on February 02, 2024, 05:18:13 PM

Quote from: Cathode Ray on February 02, 2024, 04:35:08 PM
Like his gender, Mr. Jaquay's photo is a fake!
But NY Times is such an untrusted rag with no relevance anymore.  This rag an the last years of his life are a perfect match.

EDIT: the sad thing is that I doubt Mr. Jaquays would get anywhere close to this much acclaim for his work in the RPG industry if didn't deny his biological gender..  The acclaim comes BECAUSE of the biology denial.  If it was for his contribution to the industry, he would get the same amount of fanfare as most of the others who have died recently, but was ignored by those outside RPG's niche community because they didn't have trans privilege.

I disagree.  Jaquays was an exemplary games designer and has been recognized for that in multiple circles for decades.

Which means jack and shit to the NYT.

They're not getting an article for being a game designer that happened to be Trans, they got it for being a TRANS game designer.

Quote from: Brad on February 02, 2024, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: BadApple on February 02, 2024, 05:18:13 PM
I disagree.  Jaquays was an exemplary games designer and has been recognized for that in multiple circles for decades.

Yeah, but you can bet your ass there wouldn't be a story in the NYT...whenever Rob Kuntz dies, you think there's going to be a NYT story? He is probably #2 on the list for contributions to the RPG hobby after Gygax, but simply a minor footnote in history.

Fair enough.  However, who still reads the NYT?

Other than rehashing old work, was anything of note accomplished AFTER the transition?

I may be alone in this but I'd never heard of the Jaquays until the Alexandrian article. I was big into RuneQuest and although its always on a pedestal I never liked Griffin Mountain (could have been Greg Stafford's fault as he did a major rewrite), I had Hellpits of Nightfang but thought it was dull and uninspired (and I blamed Judge's Guild). After the Alexandrian article I bought Caverns of Thracia and it was pretty good but the whole elevation to one of the greats thing that I've seen in the last half decade baffles me, must be the they did their best work on the D&D side.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 02, 2024, 08:49:00 PM
I may be alone in this but I'd never heard of the Jaquays until the Alexandrian article. I was big into RuneQuest and although its always on a pedestal I never liked Griffin Mountain (could have been Greg Stafford's fault as he did a major rewrite), I had Hellpits of Nightfang but thought it was dull and uninspired (and I blamed Judge's Guild). After the Alexandrian article I bought Caverns of Thracia and it was pretty good but the whole elevation to one of the greats thing that I've seen in the last half decade baffles me, must be the they did their best work on the D&D side.

The adventures in the Dungeoneer and Dark Tower were also really good.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 02, 2024, 08:49:00 PM
After the Alexandrian article I bought Caverns of Thracia and it was pretty good but the whole elevation to one of the greats thing that I've seen in the last half decade baffles me

You're not the only one.  The extreme hagiography that goes on with some writers just because they happened to work on early D&D stuff is a bit unseemly, in my opinion.  OTOH, a man has died suddenly and I'm not going to use the thread to pick nits in forty year old game material.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 02, 2024, 08:49:00 PM
I may be alone in this but I'd never heard of the Jaquays until the Alexandrian article. I was big into RuneQuest and although its always on a pedestal I never liked Griffin Mountain (could have been Greg Stafford's fault as he did a major rewrite), I had Hellpits of Nightfang but thought it was dull and uninspired (and I blamed Judge's Guild). After the Alexandrian article I bought Caverns of Thracia and it was pretty good but the whole elevation to one of the greats thing that I've seen in the last half decade baffles me, must be the they did their best work on the D&D side.

Yeah. The Jaquays article was a good insight, but there were lots of people making good stuff during the early years of the hobby. It's not like Jaquays really stood out until mentioned in The Alexandrian, and for a common dungeon design idea that got lost when adventures went linear railroad scripted.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 02, 2024, 08:49:00 PM
I may be alone in this but I'd never heard of the Jaquays until the Alexandrian article.

While the Alexandrian article reminded me of how good they were, both Dark Tower and Caverns of Thracia (and, to a lesser extent, the non-Jaquays Glory Hole Dwarven Mine and Tegel Manor) were legendary when I gamed in the early to mid eighties. They were also practically unobtainable, as Judges Guild was beginning to fail and our area had no dedicated gaming stores to begin with.

We rarely paid attention to author names (the format of modules at the time didn't lend itself to obvious writing styles like the PHB and DMG did) so I didn't know about Paul Jaquays (or Edward Mortimer) until much later. But the modules were well-known, well-respected, and coveted.

I'm gonna be a big meanny. But who gives a shit anymore. Loads of family and friends die everyday. Yes Jennell ne Paul was influential in the early part of the adventure game phenomenon.

I respect the contributions, I really do. Fun times were had in those dungeons and designs. It's a fact we are mortal and die. People are acting like just because Jennell was trans that it means something. Bullshit.

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on February 03, 2024, 01:45:38 PM
I'm gonna be a big meanny. But who gives a shit anymore. Loads of family and friends die everyday. Yes Jennell ne Paul was influential in the early part of the adventure game phenomenon.

I respect the contributions, I really do. Fun times were had in those dungeons and designs. It's a fact we are mortal and die. People are acting like just because Jennell was trans that it means something. Bullshit.

Huge number of dicks in this thread needing to make a point. I don't care what Jennell wanted to identify as or call themselves. All I care about is Griffin Mountain and Savage North were damn fine products that brought me a lot of pleasure and I'm grateful for that. Am I gonna wear ash cloth, fuck no, but recognising that contribution without getting on a soapbox isn't going to hurt anyone.

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 03, 2024, 06:34:51 PM
Huge number of dicks in this thread needing to make a point. I don't care what Jennell wanted to identify as or call themselves. All I care about is Griffin Mountain and Savage North were damn fine products that brought me a lot of pleasure and I'm grateful for that. Am I gonna wear ash cloth, fuck no, but recognising that contribution without getting on a soapbox isn't going to hurt anyone.

Well, yeah, Jaquays was an excellent game designer, no doubt. As I already said in this thread, I think Duck Tower is the best work. I'm also a fan of the Central Casting stuff. I met him/her/whatever multiple times at NTRPGCon, never had one issue. So, believe it or not, you can think someone is mentally ill and needs help but still think they did good work and are cool to hang out with. It's entirely possible.

Quote from: blackstone on February 02, 2024, 12:34:15 PM
The NYT, the "alleged" newspaper of journalistic integrity, used a AI generated image.

Wow....just...wow.

Did they go on to mention that he's transgender, or was that memory-holed?

Big business and mig business are starting to push AI harder. I had windows load up and part of the splash art text was an advertisement for ChatGPT. A WTF moment.

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Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 03, 2024, 06:34:51 PM
Huge number of dicks in this thread needing to make a point. I don't care what Jennell wanted to identify as or call themselves. All I care about is Griffin Mountain and Savage North were damn fine products that brought me a lot of pleasure and I'm grateful for that. Am I gonna wear ash cloth, fuck no, but recognising that contribution without getting on a soapbox isn't going to hurt anyone.

Well, yeah, Jaquays was an excellent game designer, no doubt. As I already said in this thread, I think Duck Tower is the best work. I'm also a fan of the Central Casting stuff. I met him/her/whatever multiple times at NTRPGCon, never had one issue. So, believe it or not, you can think someone is mentally ill and needs help but still think they did good work and are cool to hang out with. It's entirely possible.

I don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 04:37:33 AM
I don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.

Yes, who ever heard of discussion around a noteworthy event?  Such boors.  I shall clutch my pearls even closer!

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Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 04:37:33 AM
I don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.

Yes, who ever heard of discussion around a noteworthy event?  Such boors.  I shall clutch my pearls even closer!

Congrats.

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 04:37:33 AMI don't disagree, it's those using Janelle's death as a soapbox I think are dicks.

Do you consider it dickish to point out that Paul Jaquays created everything people enjoyed, then when they transitioned to Jennell Jaquays all they created was drama? The change seems to demonstrably have snuffed their creative spark.

Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.

Then we disagree. I think your net for 'dickishness' is way too broad, and you seem to think a gaming forum is the obituary page.

A past game designer died, and the games they created in the past, and how they lived post-game creator, are the things that interest us.

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Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.

Then we disagree. I think your net for 'dickishness' is way too broad, and you seem to think a gaming forum is the obituary page.

A past game designer died, and the games they created in the past, and how they lived post-game creator, are the things that interest us.

Yet strangely it ain't the games people are talking about.

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Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 04, 2024, 03:16:26 PM
Yep. Time and place man. Time and place.

Then we disagree. I think your net for 'dickishness' is way too broad, and you seem to think a gaming forum is the obituary page.

A past game designer died, and the games they created in the past, and how they lived post-game creator, are the things that interest us.

Yet strangely it ain't the games people are talking about.

You can thank Pawsplay for 90% of that.

Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments

You mean that crap? I say this without a shred of sarcasm, some of those people need help. Like serious help. Crying because a dude wrote a blog post years ago and used the name Paul? Claiming this somehow injures a group of people is the most sad and narcissistic thing I've ever seen.

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Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments (https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments)

Since your comment made me lose S20 SAN points when I scratched the surface, could you explain the gobbledegook of that comments section? It seems like some kind of mad purity spiral, but I have no idea what they're devouring their ally for.

EDIT: Didn't see Brad had posted too, lol. Any ideas, Brad?

Quote from: Brad on February 04, 2024, 08:21:41 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments

You mean that crap? I say this without a shred of sarcasm, some of those people need help. Like serious help. Crying because a dude wrote a blog post years ago and used the name Paul? Claiming this somehow injures a group of people is the most sad and narcissistic thing I've ever seen.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 08:32:30 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments (https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments)

Since your comment made me lose S20 SAN points when I scratched the surface, could you explain the gobbledegook of that comments section? It seems like some kind of mad purity spiral, but I have no idea what they're devouring their ally for.

EDIT: Didn't see Brad had posted too, lol. Any ideas, Brad?

I don't think I can help you get your sanity back, Grog, But I can explain.

One of the things that the trans community takes issue with is anyone bringing up their identity before their transition.  Using their pre-transition name is called dead-naming and drags up trauma from their dealing with being identified wrongly.  This goes so far as to have the trans community call dead-naming bullying and even some suicides have been blamed of persistent dead-naming.

Quote from: BadApple on February 04, 2024, 08:46:49 PM

Quote from: Brad on February 04, 2024, 08:21:41 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments

You mean that crap? I say this without a shred of sarcasm, some of those people need help. Like serious help. Crying because a dude wrote a blog post years ago and used the name Paul? Claiming this somehow injures a group of people is the most sad and narcissistic thing I've ever seen.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 08:32:30 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments (https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments)

Since your comment made me lose S20 SAN points when I scratched the surface, could you explain the gobbledegook of that comments section? It seems like some kind of mad purity spiral, but I have no idea what they're devouring their ally for.

EDIT: Didn't see Brad had posted too, lol. Any ideas, Brad?

I don't think I can help you get your sanity back, Grog, But I can explain.

One of the things that the trans community takes issue with is anyone bringing up their identity before their transition.  Using their pre-transition name is called dead-naming and drags up trauma from their dealing with being identified wrongly.  This goes so far as to have the trans community call dead-naming bullying and even some suicides have been blamed of persistent dead-naming.

Sure, but what's this Xandering/Jaquaying schism of Heresy? His name was Paul.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 08:50:56 PM

Quote from: BadApple on February 04, 2024, 08:46:49 PM

Quote from: Brad on February 04, 2024, 08:21:41 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments

You mean that crap? I say this without a shred of sarcasm, some of those people need help. Like serious help. Crying because a dude wrote a blog post years ago and used the name Paul? Claiming this somehow injures a group of people is the most sad and narcissistic thing I've ever seen.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 08:32:30 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments (https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments)

Since your comment made me lose S20 SAN points when I scratched the surface, could you explain the gobbledegook of that comments section? It seems like some kind of mad purity spiral, but I have no idea what they're devouring their ally for.

EDIT: Didn't see Brad had posted too, lol. Any ideas, Brad?

I don't think I can help you get your sanity back, Grog, But I can explain.

One of the things that the trans community takes issue with is anyone bringing up their identity before their transition.  Using their pre-transition name is called dead-naming and drags up trauma from their dealing with being identified wrongly.  This goes so far as to have the trans community call dead-naming bullying and even some suicides have been blamed of persistent dead-naming.

Sure, but what's this Xandering/Jaquaying schism of Heresy? His name was Paul.

Quote from: BadApple on February 04, 2024, 08:46:49 PM
This goes so far as to have the trans community call dead-naming bullying and even some suicides have been blamed of persistent dead-naming.

If you don't go along with every nutty thing any Trans person wants, they experience trauma and will commit suicide, and you'll be directly responsible.

This line of attack has caused me to lose all empathy for the Trans activists. It's been used to justify all kinds of atrocities, like bullying desisters and detransitioners, and causing emotional trauma to parents who question the insane idea that people need to transition their children at a young age with a minimum, if any, critical therapy to determine if they really have gender dysphoria or are simply going through a tough time with puberty.

Jaquays has, predictably,  become another tool for the Trans activists to rally the troops and act like shits.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 04, 2024, 09:20:23 PM
Jaquays has, predictably,  become another tool for the Trans activists to rally the troops and act like shits.

Jaquays was a trans activist. She was involved in the campaign to enact Leelah's Law (https://www.ibtimes.com/leelah-alcorn-update-transgender-teens-suicide-inspires-lgbt-activists-struggling-1814534). There is even a section on her Wikipedia article labeled Activism. Whatever it is you don't like about trans activism, I guarantee you don't like it a lot, with respect to Jennell's life. She was not a tool. She was an artist and a warrior.

The true scandal of the blog post was when Alexander claimed the concept of layering was HIS original work.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 04, 2024, 09:13:12 PM

So I learned that the Alexandrian is a plagiarist that stole from a member of the wrong cult. I also learned that the creator of the video is a disingenuous idiot, using the AI art Jaquays, obfuscating the past, and (laughably) saying Jaquays belongs on the same pedestal as Gygax and Arneson!

Is the lady in the video Trans, or just unblessed by nature?

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 11:25:17 PM
Is the lady in the video Trans, or just unblessed by nature?

To my knowledge, they've never said anything about it on video.  I haven't seen the Minis content, but have followed the RPG stuff for about a year now.

Quote from: pawsplay on February 04, 2024, 10:17:54 PM...and a warrior.

Götz von Berlichingen was a warrior. Marshal Ney was a warrior. Jaquays made online posts about subjects that the establishment supports, at no risk or effort.

Quote from: Brad on February 04, 2024, 08:21:41 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments

You mean that crap? I say this without a shred of sarcasm, some of those people need help. Like serious help. Crying because a dude wrote a blog post years ago and used the name Paul? Claiming this somehow injures a group of people is the most sad and narcissistic thing I've ever seen.

Naw that is not the primary issue people had. The primary issue was Justin talking to Jacquays before finishing his book, Jacquays saying "name it Jaquaysing the dungeon" and Justin deciding that didn't sound good enough so he decided to name it after himself (Xandering). And then doubling down on that until Jaquays widow finally told him to please kindly knock it off and him suddenly doing a reversal after he already published having named it after himself.

Justin Alexander is a huge dickhead. He doesn't deserve your defense. I think he's even banned here. He's banned from pretty much every single RPG message board...for being a huge dickhead.

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Quote from: Brad on February 04, 2024, 08:21:41 PM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 04, 2024, 07:13:02 PM

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 04, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
Frankly the thread would be long dead without the shit stirring, because Jaquays was a game design footnote.

The bro-ha-ha over the Alexandrian has been fascinating train wreck to watch.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon#comments

You mean that crap? I say this without a shred of sarcasm, some of those people need help. Like serious help. Crying because a dude wrote a blog post years ago and used the name Paul? Claiming this somehow injures a group of people is the most sad and narcissistic thing I've ever seen.

Naw that is not the primary issue people had. The primary issue was Justin talking to Jacquays before finishing his book, Jacquays saying "name it Jaquaysing the dungeon" and Justin deciding that didn't sound good enough so he decided to name it after himself (Xandering).

Justin claims it was a legal question. Is he lying? Do you have proof?

Quote from: Justin1. I reached out to Jennell regarding the use of the term "jaquaying."
2. Jennell reiterated her preference for the term "jaquaysing" (including the final S in her last name), but stressed that it was very important to her that no form of the term featuring her name but missing the final S be used.
3. I let my publisher know that Jaquays wanted the term changed and that we should be careful to make sure no instances of the old term remained.
4. This prompted a legal question about whether or not her name should be used for the term at all.
5. In consultation with others — but, to be clear, not Jennell — it was determined that a new term should be used, and I created the term "xandering."

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50588/site-news/a-second-historical-note-on-xandering-the-dungeon

(For the record, I believe he was wrong to create "Xandering.")

Also:

Quote from: JustinLong story short, this created a legal question. Not an arduous or terrible one. But one that resulted in the conclusion, "There is some risk in using a word based on someone else's name. Let's not do that.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/50123/roleplaying-games/a-historical-note-on-xandering

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 04, 2024, 10:21:54 PM
The true scandal of the blog post was when Alexander claimed the concept of layering was HIS original work.

That is not what I heard in any of the latest videos after the trans side had retracted and admitted they went off the rails misinformed.

Calling it Xandering is not taking credit for the inventing the technique so much as taking credit for recognizing the technique.

The timeline as I recall from the many videos recently. All dates are from memory.
1. The Jaquays made modules in the 70s-80s. Then moved into video games.
2. 2010. Alexander noted the looping nature of many maps and named the technique Jaquaying because Jaquays was a prominent (but not only) example.
3. A year or so later Jaquays transitioned.
4. Five-ish years later Jaquays became aware of the Alexander post and requested the first name be changed and the technique to be changed from Jacquaying to Jacquaysing because if you are going to use the name spell it correctly and the name has an S at the end.
5. Alexander at this time felt using the dead name was more appropriate because that was the name used at the time and the name on the modules.
6. When Alexander started compiling his posts into a book he revisited the topic (or was recontacted by Jacquay and her allies) and agreed he would remove the dead name from his site and change Jaquaying to Jaquaysing before 2024.
* During this time Jaquays' friends attacked/slandered and spread misinformation (unintentionally it appears) because Jaquays was sick and they felt he was taking advantage of that to take credit.
* During this time he had discussions with his publishers who felt using Jaquays name could be problematic legally and he changed the term to Xandering.

7. Jaquays passed away and we are where we are.

My own .02 is the lawyers demanded the name change because of Jaquays' friends over-reaction to misinformation and a desire to get away from the whole thing as much as possible.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 07:48:21 AM
Calling it Xandering is not taking credit for the inventing the technique so much as taking credit for recognizing the technique.

This is a distinction without a difference.  Recognizing someone else came up with an idea does not make it your idea.  Yet in his FAQ you can plainly see the words, "This is my work."

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 07:48:21 AM
My own .02 is the lawyers demanded the name change because of Jaquays' friends over-reaction to misinformation and a desire to get away from the whole thing as much as possible.

First the FAQ denies this, and second your own lawyer cannot demand anything of you   They advised he change it, sure.  But that's all they can ethically do - advise.  If they're making decisions, they're taking on the risk.  Finally, the FAQ says it was a resolvable legal question.

And, again, call it layering or something that doesn't imply you made up the concept for your own successful published dungeons.

I see it as a distinction with a difference. Especially if he still talks about Jaquays work in his book (which I think he does). Those that discover things are often used when that thing is named. Einstein didn't actually create Relativity, he defined it so others could understand the theory. Same with Newton. Same with explorers.

The FAQ denying things... Lots of things are denied hoping problems go away, especially if trying to remove things attackers might use. Also, yes you could insist to your lawyer that you must do it this way or that way but few people stand up to a lawyer telling them all the potential problems that *could* be avoided with this simple change.

Personally I would have credited Jaquay in the post with examples and all but I would never have named it after one of a dozen people using the technique in the first place and would have called it non-linear design. He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
Einstein didn't actually create Relativity, he defined it so others could understand the theory. Same with Newton.

Is it your position that Einstein named it Einstein's Theory of Relativity and that Newton coined the phrase Newtonian Physics?  Because that's what will be required for your position on 'Xandering' to make any sense at all.  This would be more akin to calling it Tysonian Physics because Newton couldn't be reached for his approval before Neil deGrasse Tyson's book launched.  Note that Newton and Jaquays couldn't be reached for pretty much the same reason, and both have estates who could.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AMAlso, yes you could insist to your lawyer that you must do it this way or that way but few people stand up to a lawyer telling them all the potential problems that *could* be avoided with this simple change.

Just so long as we're not shifting the decision making responsibility to some unidentified lawyer making demands.  Alexander made the call, while admitting the risk was low.

And particularly, had he added the 's' to Jaquaysing as requested, this would have been implied consent.  She said "call it this" and had he agreed to do so, he'd have a really strong position in court.  I once used the same argument to defeat a non-compete when the employer made my last check $6 claiming reimbursement.  I said "if they felt I owed them more money, why did they give me change?". Their lawyer went away...

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
Personally I would have credited Jaquay in the post with examples and all but I would never have named it after one of a dozen people using the technique in the first place and would have called it non-linear design. He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Alexander was "shit on" for being an intractable prick.  He made an error in naming something connected to someone who had a particular hangup about names.  He refused to fix it at her request, because it was too difficult to edit something on a webpage fully within his control.  But when it came time to benefit himself, it was suddenly no longer too hard to do.  As I understand it, he even did a find/replace in the COMMENTS just for good measure.

This is not some unjust trans community pile on and that's plain for anyone to see.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Yeah I agree. I think it's safe to say there's a lot of people who would know nothing of Jaquays but for Alexander's article. I'm one of them.

Jaquays created some great adventures. Alexander wrote some great articles. They didn't 100% see eye to eye. So what? Internet rage culture needs to die.

The "real" inventor of non-linear dungeons is some architect from ancient times, likely an Egyptian.

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 09:34:39 AM
This is not some unjust trans community pile on and that's plain for anyone to see.

You make good points, I'm judging by this post in which Jaquays main supporter in all this is more charitable towards Justin's position than you are.
https://diyanddragons.blogspot.com/2024/01/an-update-on-jaquaysing.html

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AM
Jaquays created some great adventures. Alexander wrote some great articles. They didn't 100% see eye to eye. So what? Internet rage culture needs to die.

Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AM
The "real" inventor of non-linear dungeons is some architect from ancient times, likely an Egyptian.

Now this is true.  DMGR1 doesn't label the concept or grant it a section or anything like that.  It treats you like an adult and appeals to your common sense:

"Tbo (sic) often, during the process of
world and adventure creation, a
DM will hurriedly slap together a
wilderness that bears no relation- ship to real geography, a cavern
complex that more closely resem- bles a rabbit warren, or a castle
that totally ignores plausible (or
even magical!) construction meth- ods, and then cannot understand
why his players are unable to sus- pend their "disbelief when he
runs his adventure. Even more
tragic is the DM who spends count- less hours on his maps, yet still
accomplishes the same, un- believable end."

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 10:03:54 AM
Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

The world would be a better place if there was a lot more "so what" instead of getting outraged about every fucking thing possible.

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Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AM
Jaquays created some great adventures. Alexander wrote some great articles. They didn't 100% see eye to eye. So what? Internet rage culture needs to die.

Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

Reducto whatnow?

The stakes are minuscule. People are going to call non-linear dungeon design whatever they want and it's not going to matter because we will all understand what they're talking about regardless.

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Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 10:03:54 AM
Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

The world would be a better place if there was a lot more "so what" instead of getting outraged about every fucking thing possible.

And this is true, but the greater duty is on the uninvolved to resist the urge to point out that you don't care.  It is inferred by your non-participation that you don't care.  It's the entire basis of the attention economy.  Pointing it out actually implies you do care, at least enough to comment.

Put it this way, there are right now at least a million people typing something you disagree with, and you're not engaging with them either.

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AMThe "real" inventor of non-linear dungeons is some architect from ancient times, likely an Egyptian.

So you're saying Dungeoneering makes PC's...


(I chose the music video version so you may look at Susanna Hoffs. You're welcome.)

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Exactly. Justin's being accused of rewriting the past, but the person who initially demanded a rewrite was Jaquays.

When a crazy person with an equally lunatic judicial system behind them starts complaining about something being named after them, you change it, and quick.

That anyone is condemning Justin for this nonsense is completely absurd.

And yeah, it's Justin's concept. It's Justin's "invention". It always has been. The fact that he tried to honor Jaquays as being a prime example of his own conception is apparently lost on some people.

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 10:25:10 AM
And this is true, but the greater duty is on the uninvolved to resist the urge to point out that you don't care.  It is inferred by your non-participation that you don't care.  It's the entire basis of the attention economy.  Pointing it out actually implies you do care, at least enough to comment.

Put it this way, there are right now at least a million people typing something you disagree with, and you're not engaging with them either.

I'm posting on an RPG messageboard with like 200 active users, I'm not out in the streets protesting or making fucking TikTok videos.

The Alexandrian is a self-avowed Transphobe who steals from the dead. Everyone should accuse him of that now, forever.

*Eh, others have pointed this out*

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 11:14:08 AM
The Alexandrian is a self-avowed Transphobe who steals from the dead. Everyone should accuse him of that now, forever.

Could you share some of his Transphobic statements?

Quote from: Zalman on February 05, 2024, 10:41:50 AM
And yeah, it's Justin's concept. It's Justin's "invention". It always has been. The fact that he tried to honor Jaquays as being a prime example of his own conception is apparently lost on some people.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic here or not.

I propose a test - which of his successfully published dungeons implemented this original concept before anyone else did?

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 05, 2024, 11:16:24 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 11:14:08 AM
The Alexandrian is a self-avowed Transphobe who steals from the dead. Everyone should accuse him of that now, forever.

Could you share some of his Transphobic statements?

Sure. He's erasing the name of a Transgender person (Jacquays) for his own profit. That claim is much stronger than his claim that I'm a "self-avowed white supremacist" which is based on nothing but the fact that he claimed that anti-woke "OSR gatekeepers" are all White Supremacists and I said that was untrue.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 04:02:41 PM
Sure. He's erasing the name of a Transgender person (Jacquays) for his own profit. That claim is much stronger than his claim that I'm a "self-avowed white supremacist" which is based on nothing but the fact that he claimed that anti-woke "OSR gatekeepers" are all White Supremacists and I said that was untrue.

I gotta hand it to you, this is hilariously brilliant.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Nah, he saw the chance to rename a term after himself, and he took it.  He could have changed the name to something having nothing to do with a person's name, and no one would have batted an eye (except the trans-crazies... but you should always ignore their fake eyelash waving).  He didn't.  He named it after himself and then erased any evidence of the previous usage.  That's shady.  Period.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 05, 2024, 08:33:38 PM
Nah, he saw the chance to rename a term after himself, and he took it.  He could have changed the name to something having nothing to do with a person's name, and no one would have batted an eye (except the trans-crazies... but you should always ignore their fake eyelash waving).  He didn't.  He named it after himself and then erased any evidence of the previous usage.  That's shady.  Period.

It does look shady. I'm curious if there's merit to the "legal question" he mentioned, or if it's bluster. The passive voice usage doesn't help ("it was determined..." determined by who?) And why not use a neutral term, as you suggest? Certainly that wouldn't have raised any legal issues. Why not a stronger statement, something like "On the advice of my lawyer, I changed it to 'xandering' for <insert legal reason>?"

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 04:02:41 PM
That claim is much stronger than his claim that I'm a "self-avowed white supremacist"

Do they know what "self-avowed" means?  Like I don't even think Adolf Hitler was a self-avowed white supremacist, technically. Why even use that term? Why pick something that is superlative and wrong?

I did once get an account banned from some shit subreddit by pointing this out though (in that case Alexander Macris was the "self avowed white supremacist"), so maybe it's fine to call people "self avowed white supremacists" if you can just erase anyone pointing out that this is not at all true.

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Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 05, 2024, 08:33:38 PM
Nah, he saw the chance to rename a term after himself, and he took it.  He could have changed the name to something having nothing to do with a person's name, and no one would have batted an eye (except the trans-crazies... but you should always ignore their fake eyelash waving).  He didn't.  He named it after himself and then erased any evidence of the previous usage.  That's shady.  Period.

It does look shady. I'm curious if there's merit to the "legal question" he mentioned, or if it's bluster. The passive voice usage doesn't help ("it was determined..." determined by who?) And why not use a neutral term, as you suggest? Certainly that wouldn't have raised any legal issues. Why not a stronger statement, something like "On the advice of my lawyer, I changed it to 'xandering' for <insert legal reason>?"

It was pure deflection.  I discussed this a bit up-thread, but your questions basically answer themselves.

The legal issues have to fall along two lines, criminal and civil.  The former is absurd, so we must be focusing on the latter then.  Under the civil umbrella there are only a handful of risks imaginable, so let's think those through:

A) Libel.  Pretty clearly not the case here and this would be collosally difficult to demonstrate due to the praising voice used.

B) Breach of Contract.  Seems none existed.

C) Intellectual Property/Copyright.  Doesn't seem applicable.  Jaquays never published anything on the topic and tacitly agreed to the use of the original name pending adding the 's' back to the spelling.

D) Tort.  Again I don't see how.  What damages could the Jaquays estate show that wouldn't still apply under a new name?

Xanderpants is blowing smoke once again, IMO.

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Quote from: Eirikrautha on February 05, 2024, 08:33:38 PM
Nah, he saw the chance to rename a term after himself, and he took it.  He could have changed the name to something having nothing to do with a person's name, and no one would have batted an eye (except the trans-crazies... but you should always ignore their fake eyelash waving).  He didn't.  He named it after himself and then erased any evidence of the previous usage.  That's shady.  Period.

It does look shady. I'm curious if there's merit to the "legal question" he mentioned, or if it's bluster. The passive voice usage doesn't help ("it was determined..." determined by who?) And why not use a neutral term, as you suggest? Certainly that wouldn't have raised any legal issues. Why not a stronger statement, something like "On the advice of my lawyer, I changed it to 'xandering' for <insert legal reason>?"

It was pure deflection.  I discussed this a bit up-thread, but your questions basically answer themselves.

The legal issues have to fall along two lines, criminal and civil.  The former is absurd, so we must be focusing on the latter then.  Under the civil umbrella there are only a handful of risks imaginable, so let's think those through:

A) Libel.  Pretty clearly not the case here and this would be collosally difficult to demonstrate due to the praising voice used.

B) Breach of Contract.  Seems none existed.

C) Intellectual Property/Copyright.  Doesn't seem applicable.  Jaquays never published anything on the topic and tacitly agreed to the use of the original name pending adding the 's' back to the spelling.

D) Tort.  Again I don't see how.  What damages could the Jaquays estate show that wouldn't still apply under a new name?

Xanderpants is blowing smoke once again, IMO.

Thanks, great analysis. I must have missed it up-thread.

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 06, 2024, 12:18:59 AM
C) Intellectual Property/Copyright.  Doesn't seem applicable.  Jaquays never published anything on the topic and tacitly agreed to the use of the original name pending adding the 's' back to the spelling.

Trademark is quite possible. Jaquays is an uncommon name that is tied to certain types of products. The name arguably identifies a source of goods in this niche market.

Granting permission is best done in writing and with consideration, even the token $10 amount.

I'm not a lawyer but I've worked with IP lawyers.

During the editing process, things get flagged for all sorts of reasons, defamation, fact checking, IP, etc etc.

The guys's book is in mainstream stores. I saw several copies at an airport bookstore.

Jaquays could not have had much money given the GoFundMe. Medical bills are expensive.

So I'd wager that IP risk was in the top 2 reasons to change the name of it. 

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 06, 2024, 12:57:41 AM

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 06, 2024, 12:18:59 AM
C) Intellectual Property/Copyright.  Doesn't seem applicable.  Jaquays never published anything on the topic and tacitly agreed to the use of the original name pending adding the 's' back to the spelling.

Trademark is quite possible. Jaquays is an uncommon name that is tied to certain types of products. The name arguably identifies a source of goods in this niche market.

Good point.

Does a name need to be registered for protection?  I know Jaquays could always use it without documentation, but can they prevent others without registering and defending it as a mark?

Common law trademark exists. Use the mark in commerce and you start accruing rights. I think it varies state to state. Registration confers stronger rights I believe. No idea if any of it works posthumously. However, IP can be transferred to heirs.

I don't think registration is essential but it gets you more easily assertable rights.

I suspect the name was cut from the books to avoid future connections and protests and such that would effect sales.
However, naming it Xandering (instead of non-linear design) turned a probably wise move into a stupid one.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 06, 2024, 10:27:51 AM
I suspect the name was cut from the books to avoid future connections and protests and such that would effect sales.
However, naming it Xandering (instead of non-linear design) turned a probably wise move into a stupid one.

Agree.  Putting a non-person label on it and pointing to examples would have been the way to go.

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 06, 2024, 10:31:06 AM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 06, 2024, 10:27:51 AM
I suspect the name was cut from the books to avoid future connections and protests and such that would effect sales.
However, naming it Xandering (instead of non-linear design) turned a probably wise move into a stupid one.

Agree.  Putting a non-person label on it and pointing to examples would have been the way to go.

Yeah. The term "Xandering" is dumb and self-aggrandizing, and a non-person label would have been better.

On the other hand, using a dumb term isn't "theft" nor is it transphobic. Alexander didn't plagiarize anyone, and he correctly credited the dungeon designs that were inspiration for his essay. Lots of people (myself among them) had never known about Jaquays until Alexander promoted their designs through his posts.

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Quote from: mcbobbo on February 06, 2024, 10:31:06 AM

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 06, 2024, 10:27:51 AM
I suspect the name was cut from the books to avoid future connections and protests and such that would effect sales.
However, naming it Xandering (instead of non-linear design) turned a probably wise move into a stupid one.

Agree.  Putting a non-person label on it and pointing to examples would have been the way to go.

Yeah. The term "Xandering" is dumb and self-aggrandizing, and a non-person label would have been better.

On the other hand, using a dumb term isn't "theft" nor is it transphobic. Alexander didn't plagiarize anyone, and he correctly credited the dungeon designs that were inspiration for his essay. Lots of people (myself among them) had never known about Jaquays until Alexander promoted their designs through his posts.

Weren't you one of those who contemporaneously owned DMGR1 back in the day?  I thought we were fellow devotees...

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 06, 2024, 02:50:38 PM

Quote from: jhkim on February 06, 2024, 02:46:45 PM
Yeah. The term "Xandering" is dumb and self-aggrandizing, and a non-person label would have been better.

On the other hand, using a dumb term isn't "theft" nor is it transphobic. Alexander didn't plagiarize anyone, and he correctly credited the dungeon designs that were inspiration for his essay. Lots of people (myself among them) had never known about Jaquays until Alexander promoted their designs through his posts.

Weren't you one of those who contemporaneously owned DMGR1 back in the day?  I thought we were fellow devotees...

Nope. I bought the DMGR1 and Caverns of Thracia a few weeks ago after Jaquays' death, when I heard more about her designs. I posted about it from reading it for the first time.

Back in the day, I had a bunch of the AD&D 2E historical sourcebooks and a few others. I loved most of the historical campaign books, but most of 2E left me flat and I just stuck with my 1E material. I later tried 3E briefly, skipped 3.5E and 4E, and then played more with 5E.

RIP Paul

Quote from: The Spaniard on February 09, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

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Quote from: The Spaniard on February 09, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

Anyone who is or aspires to be a woman should be aware of the phenomenon of prior names.

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RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

Let's go on another 15 page tirade about transgender bullshit.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 09, 2024, 04:16:54 PM

Quote from: The Spaniard on February 09, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

"Dead naming"... lol.  Another ridiculous term used by the usual suspects.

"Dead name." Why so dramatic?

"The name I used back when I was a dude." Too level headed?

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Quote from: The Spaniard on February 09, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

Let's go on another 15 page tirade about transgender bullshit.

Are you lost, sir? Because there are plenty of other discussion threads which are not about prominent and beloved trans woman RPG writers and artists.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on February 09, 2024, 04:30:09 PM

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Quote from: The Spaniard on February 09, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

Let's go on another 15 page tirade about transgender bullshit.

Just ignore the trolling cunt.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 09, 2024, 06:03:47 PM

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Quote from: The Spaniard on February 09, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

Let's go on another 15 page tirade about transgender bullshit.

Just ignore the trolling cunt.

The trolling dick.

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Quote from: The Spaniard on February 09, 2024, 02:43:37 PM
RIP Paul

Dead-naming a trans person is beyond rude.

Let's go on another 15 page tirade about transgender bullshit.

Just ignore the trolling cunt.

The trolling dick.

You see, he's a cunt, a metaphorical one, because dicks fuck cunts, and I bet he doesn't.

You guys are literally the worst at ignoring people.

i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 09, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

I notice you didn't get triggered by pawsplay's racism, sexism and heterophobia.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 09, 2024, 08:52:44 PM
I notice you didn't get triggered by pawsplay's racism, sexism and heterophobia.

You aren't pulling me into that. Frankly, I think all bigotry sucks. And that's all I am going to say about it.

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Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 09, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

I notice you didn't get triggered by pawsplay's racism, sexism and heterophobia.

Or the Easter Bunny! So brave.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 09, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

Disagreement is only hate speech to the Far Woke.

This thread is exclusively for talking about an RPG-related topic. It is not for getting into arguments with other users. This thread is not a place for calling out someone for what name they use, in either direction. Or pronouns.

With that out of the way (and thank you for it)...

I KNOW of Jaquays' work tangentially, so sell me into it.

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Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 09, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

I notice you didn't get triggered by pawsplay's racism, sexism and heterophobia.

Or the Easter Bunny! So brave.

Pretty sure the Easter Bunny is a girl now.  8)

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 10, 2024, 01:00:05 AM
With that out of the way (and thank you for it)...

I KNOW of Jaquays' work tangentially, so sell me into it.

I hadn't realised she had written Griffin Mountain or the Savage North (in part at least), both are great examples of sandbox games. The box sets, and it's been a decade or two since I've read them, we're just great detailing of regions with lots of adventure opportunities.


Really set a gold standard.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 10, 2024, 01:00:05 AM
With that out of the way (and thank you for it)...

I KNOW of Jaquays' work tangentially, so sell me into it.

Earlier in this trainwreck of a thread a few of us were reminiscing about some of Jaquays' work for Flying Buffalo and TSR.

Did at least 2 of the Citybooks. I have one. Sideshow and its pretty good.
If the TSR stuff I know the "The North" set. Though that was more than just Jaquays.

Both present alot of information and The North is heavy on text and low on art. Sideshow has some good illustrations to flesh out the strange races present.

The North is about the areas, well north on the Sword Coast and details places like Luscan and such. Each area gets its own rundown. Not bad. But like the Mystarra books its a bit dense.

Citybook: Sideshow is a system-less book though it is statted out for Tunnels & Trolls I believe. Its a much less dense read and presents alot of different factions and goings on around the city. I particularly liked the sentient stone that was the stone fed to Chronos instead of Zeus. It came sentient and is now a very minor god who makes little copies of people who make offerings to it as its just sitting in the city. Wild stuff like that.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 10, 2024, 01:00:05 AM
With that out of the way (and thank you for it)...

I KNOW of Jaquays' work tangentially, so sell me into it.

DMGR1 takes all the various discussion topics you might see on a discussion forum today and splits them into a menu of either variants or options.  It covers everything from etiquette to handling personalities to adventure construction and world building.  It's what the DMG should have been.  Hiding behind a horrible title, few know this gem even exists.

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Quote from: Opaopajr on January 26, 2024, 06:07:54 AM
??? Can we leave and let rest in peace now?  :)

As if that will happen with these fuckwits. They will piss all over Jaquays' grave to push the agenda.

Behold!  >:( The prophecy has been fulfilled!  >:(

:'( Honestly it's a pity, this continuing drama. Anyway, if you liked Quake maps, it is good to know where that elaborate dungeon integration with multipathing developed from. Many clever people from different life directions helped come together and build the current wisdom we share today. The past and present are messy, but from it we draw forth beauty. Add your own meaning here.

Aaaand now I respectfully retreat from the storm.  8)

Quote from: Opaopajr on February 10, 2024, 09:48:38 AM
Behold!  >:( The prophecy has been fulfilled!  >:(

Wish I'd been wrong.

But for now just ignoring the usual suspects and discussing some of Jaquays work I happen to have. Which is not much. But I really liked Citybook: Sideshow and appreciated the sheer amount of info crammed into The North.

I am a big fan of the Central Casting books. I have all three. My copy of Heroes Now is well-worn.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 09, 2024, 08:40:57 PMFreedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

That's effectively the definition of Freedom of Speech.

You get to say things I don't like.

I get to respond by saying things you don't like.

For example:

Paul was a highly talented, but mentally ill man whose significant creative accomplishments will live on in the RPG hobby long after his passing.

The amount of brain donors walking around that think free speech is only for nice things that don't hurt feelings shows the utter corruption of Western school curricula.

Spinachat, Grognard, did you miss what I said above?! This is your one warning. Don't make me ban you for off-topic derailing of this thread.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 11, 2024, 12:29:14 AM
I am a big fan of the Central Casting books. I have all three. My copy of Heroes Now is well-worn.

One of my players really loves them as well.

Huh? Did not know Jaquays wrote a Ravnloft novel? The Enemy Within.

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Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 11, 2024, 12:29:14 AM
I am a big fan of the Central Casting books. I have all three. My copy of Heroes Now is well-worn.

One of my players really loves them as well.

Huh? Did not know Jaquays wrote a Ravnloft novel? The Enemy Within.

Wasn't that Christie Golden?

Quote from: Llew ap Hywel on February 11, 2024, 01:28:16 PM

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Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 11, 2024, 12:29:14 AM
I am a big fan of the Central Casting books. I have all three. My copy of Heroes Now is well-worn.

One of my players really loves them as well.

Huh? Did not know Jaquays wrote a Ravnloft novel? The Enemy Within.

Wasn't that Christie Golden?

  Yes. Jaquays did the cover art.

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Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 11, 2024, 12:29:14 AM
I am a big fan of the Central Casting books. I have all three. My copy of Heroes Now is well-worn.

One of my players really loves them as well.

Huh? Did not know Jaquays wrote a Ravnloft novel? The Enemy Within.

Wasn't that Christie Golden?

  Yes. Jaquays did the cover art.

Ah-haaa. Must have been a mislisting.

Jaquays did though write and illustrate module M5 - Talons of the Night. Has an Egyptian theme going. I have it, just never had much time to read through or run.

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I am a big fan of the Central Casting books. I have all three. My copy of Heroes Now is well-worn.

Of course

One of my players really loves them as well.

Huh? Did not know Jaquays wrote a Ravnloft novel? The Enemy Within.

Wasn't that Christie Golden?

  Yes. Jaquays did the cover art.

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I am a big fan of the Central Casting books. I have all three. My copy of Heroes Now is well-worn.

Of course

One of my players really loves them as well.

Huh? Did not know Jaquays wrote a Ravnloft novel? The Enemy Within.

Wasn't that Christie Golden?

  Yes. Jaquays did the cover art.

What happened to this site that it keeps dropping you in like the middle of a quote? Its happened to me a few times.

It's ancient

Yeah but it was not doing this for many a year. Then in the last 2-3 months it starts dropping me in the middle of a quote with the rest of the text off the buffer. Easy to miss.

Back on topic. Jaquays' Talons of the Night is an interesting thing. A little random. But that seems to fit Jaquay's style back then. It is geared for the M part of BECMI D&D and set in Mystara so for PCs level 30+. Even comes with a little board game.

Gone a couple days.
surprised this thread keeps resurrecting.

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Gone a couple days.
surprised this thread keeps resurrecting.

Well....I think someone miscast a lesser resurrection from the hackmaster player's handbook.....but I could be wrong  ;D

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The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

We made it pretty far guys, it was a good thread, but now it will be about virtue signalers coming in and policing speech.  The memorial is over; it is time for performative politics now.

I'm not policing anything. I just stated a fact. What you choose to do with that information depends on what kind of person you are.

Yes, a good person will stand up for what's true, and use the male pronouns, since he was male. A coward will say whatever they think will protect them from psychopaths like you.

Paul was a great man, and you aren't welcome in this thread. Do not reply to this post.

not again

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i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

Depends on what your definition of hate speech is.

Also, freedom of speech doesn't mean your FEELINGS won't get hurt.

If WORDS are enough to trigger you, then you're a person of weak character.

In the meantime the rest of us will live in the real world, wher nobody give two shits about your FEELINGS.

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i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

Your skin is thicker and rougher than that of a man, your pores and connective tissues are arranged differently from a woman's, your bone structure is obviously male, you have a man's hairline, your ring finger is longer than your index finger, your navel is above your waist, your body's fat distribution is different from a woman's, you produce male pheromones, you are biologically incapable of menstruation and pregnancy, every somatic cell in your body contains the Y chromosome, and your parents will use your real name when they bury you.

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not again

Can we just get back to discussing some of the interesting stuff Jaquays wrote?

Like Citybook VI: Up Town says on the cover "Produced by the Jaquays Design Studio and Flying Buffalo Inc." Was the studio just Jaquays? Or was it a group?

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The friends and family would definitely appreciate it if you expressed your condolences using her correct name and pronouns.

We made it pretty far guys, it was a good thread, but now it will be about virtue signalers coming in and policing speech.  The memorial is over; it is time for performative politics now.

I'm not policing anything. I just stated a fact. What you choose to do with that information depends on what kind of person you are.

Yes, a good person will stand up for what's true, and use the male pronouns, since he was male. A coward will say whatever they think will protect them from psychopaths like you.

Paul was a great man, and you aren't welcome in this thread. Do not reply to this post.

Domina, perhaps you missed my general warning. Now I'm giving you a specific one: no arguing with other people about which pronouns they address Jaquays by. Continue arguing this and you'll risk being sanctions.

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Quote from: Darrin Kelley on February 09, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
i hope Pundit is watching. Seeing the sheer amount of hatred toward trans people that has been allowed to fester in his own forums. And I very much hope he will take action to deal with it in a decisive way.

Freedom of speech does not excuse hate speech. It does not offer refuge for bad actors to be abusive to others.

Depends on what your definition of hate speech is.

Also, freedom of speech doesn't mean your FEELINGS won't get hurt.

If WORDS are enough to trigger you, then you're a person of weak character.

In the meantime the rest of us will live in the real world, wher nobody give two shits about your FEELINGS.

Blackstone, same warning.