Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 07:48:21 AM
Calling it Xandering is not taking credit for the inventing the technique so much as taking credit for recognizing the technique.

This is a distinction without a difference.  Recognizing someone else came up with an idea does not make it your idea.  Yet in his FAQ you can plainly see the words, "This is my work."

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 07:48:21 AM
My own .02 is the lawyers demanded the name change because of Jaquays' friends over-reaction to misinformation and a desire to get away from the whole thing as much as possible.

First the FAQ denies this, and second your own lawyer cannot demand anything of you   They advised he change it, sure.  But that's all they can ethically do - advise.  If they're making decisions, they're taking on the risk.  Finally, the FAQ says it was a resolvable legal question.

And, again, call it layering or something that doesn't imply you made up the concept for your own successful published dungeons.

I see it as a distinction with a difference. Especially if he still talks about Jaquays work in his book (which I think he does). Those that discover things are often used when that thing is named. Einstein didn't actually create Relativity, he defined it so others could understand the theory. Same with Newton. Same with explorers.

The FAQ denying things... Lots of things are denied hoping problems go away, especially if trying to remove things attackers might use. Also, yes you could insist to your lawyer that you must do it this way or that way but few people stand up to a lawyer telling them all the potential problems that *could* be avoided with this simple change.

Personally I would have credited Jaquay in the post with examples and all but I would never have named it after one of a dozen people using the technique in the first place and would have called it non-linear design. He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
Einstein didn't actually create Relativity, he defined it so others could understand the theory. Same with Newton.

Is it your position that Einstein named it Einstein's Theory of Relativity and that Newton coined the phrase Newtonian Physics?  Because that's what will be required for your position on 'Xandering' to make any sense at all.  This would be more akin to calling it Tysonian Physics because Newton couldn't be reached for his approval before Neil deGrasse Tyson's book launched.  Note that Newton and Jaquays couldn't be reached for pretty much the same reason, and both have estates who could.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AMAlso, yes you could insist to your lawyer that you must do it this way or that way but few people stand up to a lawyer telling them all the potential problems that *could* be avoided with this simple change.

Just so long as we're not shifting the decision making responsibility to some unidentified lawyer making demands.  Alexander made the call, while admitting the risk was low.

And particularly, had he added the 's' to Jaquaysing as requested, this would have been implied consent.  She said "call it this" and had he agreed to do so, he'd have a really strong position in court.  I once used the same argument to defeat a non-compete when the employer made my last check $6 claiming reimbursement.  I said "if they felt I owed them more money, why did they give me change?". Their lawyer went away...

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
Personally I would have credited Jaquay in the post with examples and all but I would never have named it after one of a dozen people using the technique in the first place and would have called it non-linear design. He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Alexander was "shit on" for being an intractable prick.  He made an error in naming something connected to someone who had a particular hangup about names.  He refused to fix it at her request, because it was too difficult to edit something on a webpage fully within his control.  But when it came time to benefit himself, it was suddenly no longer too hard to do.  As I understand it, he even did a find/replace in the COMMENTS just for good measure.

This is not some unjust trans community pile on and that's plain for anyone to see.

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Yeah I agree. I think it's safe to say there's a lot of people who would know nothing of Jaquays but for Alexander's article. I'm one of them.

Jaquays created some great adventures. Alexander wrote some great articles. They didn't 100% see eye to eye. So what? Internet rage culture needs to die.

The "real" inventor of non-linear dungeons is some architect from ancient times, likely an Egyptian.

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 09:34:39 AM
This is not some unjust trans community pile on and that's plain for anyone to see.

You make good points, I'm judging by this post in which Jaquays main supporter in all this is more charitable towards Justin's position than you are.
https://diyanddragons.blogspot.com/2024/01/an-update-on-jaquaysing.html

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AM
Jaquays created some great adventures. Alexander wrote some great articles. They didn't 100% see eye to eye. So what? Internet rage culture needs to die.

Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AM
The "real" inventor of non-linear dungeons is some architect from ancient times, likely an Egyptian.

Now this is true.  DMGR1 doesn't label the concept or grant it a section or anything like that.  It treats you like an adult and appeals to your common sense:

"Tbo (sic) often, during the process of
world and adventure creation, a
DM will hurriedly slap together a
wilderness that bears no relation- ship to real geography, a cavern
complex that more closely resem- bles a rabbit warren, or a castle
that totally ignores plausible (or
even magical!) construction meth- ods, and then cannot understand
why his players are unable to sus- pend their "disbelief when he
runs his adventure. Even more
tragic is the DM who spends count- less hours on his maps, yet still
accomplishes the same, un- believable end."

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 10:03:54 AM
Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

The world would be a better place if there was a lot more "so what" instead of getting outraged about every fucking thing possible.

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 10:03:54 AM

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AM
Jaquays created some great adventures. Alexander wrote some great articles. They didn't 100% see eye to eye. So what? Internet rage culture needs to die.

Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

Reducto whatnow?

The stakes are minuscule. People are going to call non-linear dungeon design whatever they want and it's not going to matter because we will all understand what they're talking about regardless.

Quote from: Brad on February 05, 2024, 10:19:50 AM

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 10:03:54 AM
Reducto absurdum.  You can reduce EVERY argument to a "so what" if you apply just a tiny bit of imagination.

The world would be a better place if there was a lot more "so what" instead of getting outraged about every fucking thing possible.

And this is true, but the greater duty is on the uninvolved to resist the urge to point out that you don't care.  It is inferred by your non-participation that you don't care.  It's the entire basis of the attention economy.  Pointing it out actually implies you do care, at least enough to comment.

Put it this way, there are right now at least a million people typing something you disagree with, and you're not engaging with them either.

Quote from: rytrasmi on February 05, 2024, 09:39:14 AMThe "real" inventor of non-linear dungeons is some architect from ancient times, likely an Egyptian.

So you're saying Dungeoneering makes PC's...


(I chose the music video version so you may look at Susanna Hoffs. You're welcome.)

Quote from: Ruprecht on February 05, 2024, 09:16:46 AM
He honored a person and was shit on for it.

Exactly. Justin's being accused of rewriting the past, but the person who initially demanded a rewrite was Jaquays.

When a crazy person with an equally lunatic judicial system behind them starts complaining about something being named after them, you change it, and quick.

That anyone is condemning Justin for this nonsense is completely absurd.

And yeah, it's Justin's concept. It's Justin's "invention". It always has been. The fact that he tried to honor Jaquays as being a prime example of his own conception is apparently lost on some people.

Quote from: mcbobbo on February 05, 2024, 10:25:10 AM
And this is true, but the greater duty is on the uninvolved to resist the urge to point out that you don't care.  It is inferred by your non-participation that you don't care.  It's the entire basis of the attention economy.  Pointing it out actually implies you do care, at least enough to comment.

Put it this way, there are right now at least a million people typing something you disagree with, and you're not engaging with them either.

I'm posting on an RPG messageboard with like 200 active users, I'm not out in the streets protesting or making fucking TikTok videos.

The Alexandrian is a self-avowed Transphobe who steals from the dead. Everyone should accuse him of that now, forever.

*Eh, others have pointed this out*

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 05, 2024, 11:14:08 AM
The Alexandrian is a self-avowed Transphobe who steals from the dead. Everyone should accuse him of that now, forever.

Could you share some of his Transphobic statements?