Quote from: BadApple on January 18, 2024, 06:45:12 AM

Quote from: DocJones on January 17, 2024, 09:36:35 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 17, 2024, 03:57:49 PM

That Jennelle sounds like an asshole.  I liked Paul better.

Oh wow!

This was written by someone in some seriously bad mental mess.  Massive red flags, massive cry for help.

Is he responding to himself or someone else? If hr is speaking to himself just plain weird.

Quote from: Mistwell on January 18, 2024, 12:02:21 AM
In this case, I don't think the discussion about transgenderism is productive and it seems to be distracting the discussion from discussing this person's lifes work. Work I am genuinely curious about, and there are many people here who know a lot more about it than me and seem willing to talk about it.

In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Looks like the grifters are coming out in full force:
https://www.pcgamer.com/legendary-dandd-and-videogame-designer-jennell-jaquays-is-getting-a-memorial-megadungeon-built-in-her-honour/

Return to Perinthos is being put together by tabletop designer Violet Ballard of RV Games; the plan is for people to submit content for it over the next two weeks, whether that's fully written and illustrated sections of dungeon, or just component parts like maps and map keys that can be fleshed out by the organisers and volunteers.


Going to the website of RV Games just shows that this is going to be a huge scam and it will never be completed like every other project that is led by folks with absolutely no experience on a project of this scale:
https://linkpop.com/idofinternet


The money will flow out of "OMG IM DOIN MY PART FOR TTRNZ RITES!11!" guilt by people.  Calling it now that this will never be released and will be as shoddily managed and the money spent and gone long before anything gets released.

Quote from: THE_Leopold on January 18, 2024, 04:08:09 PM
Looks like the grifters are coming out in full force:
https://www.pcgamer.com/legendary-dandd-and-videogame-designer-jennell-jaquays-is-getting-a-memorial-megadungeon-built-in-her-honour/

Return to Perinthos is being put together by tabletop designer Violet Ballard of RV Games; the plan is for people to submit content for it over the next two weeks, whether that's fully written and illustrated sections of dungeon, or just component parts like maps and map keys that can be fleshed out by the organisers and volunteers.

Going to the website of RV Games just shows that this is going to be a huge scam  and it will never be completed like every other project that is led by folks with absolutely no experience on a project of this scale:

I agree that a megadungeon created by two weeks of open submissions and stitched together will be a shit design, but it's a charity project that donates profits to Jaquays' family, so unless they're lying about that part, then it isn't a scam.

There doesn't seem to be a legal way to buy Caverns of Thracia or other of Jaquays early work, so I'd just download a free copy and make a donation directly to the family. Here's the link for the family's GoFundMe, and it's also in the crowdfunding page:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/jennell-jaquays-has-a-long-road-back

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on January 18, 2024, 02:09:05 PM
In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Fortunately you can learn all about her work and interests by spending a few minutes reading Wikipedia.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 18, 2024, 06:54:17 PM

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on January 18, 2024, 02:09:05 PM
In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Fortunately you can learn all about her work and interests by spending a few minutes reading Wikipedia.

Or you can avoid wikipedia and read a reputable source.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 18, 2024, 06:54:17 PM

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on January 18, 2024, 02:09:05 PM
In all honesty and sincerity, I had no idea who "Jennell Jaquays" was but had seen the name "Paul Jaquays" around.  It does bring up the topic of how it can be difficult to appreciate someone's life and works when parts of that life are obfuscated (for lack of a better word).

Fortunately you can learn all about her work and interests by spending a few minutes reading Wikipedia.

HG: "It's confusing, because their history seems obfuscated."

Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned! their birth name from the header on Jan 10th, and their birth name from the entire body of the article!*"

*Apologies if another zealot did any of that editing, I have to assume it was at least mostly you going from your past comments.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

Honesty? LOL. For someone driven by an agenda like this, honesty is merely an inconvenience.

Pawsplay an interesting character. First I was thinking trans zealot, then troll, and now I'm thinking anti-trans agitator. I have no problem with trans people as long as they don't try to tell me what to do or how to think. But with friends like pawsplay, trans people don't need enemies. Even some of our more left leaning friends here have noticed this.

Maybe his intentions are honest and only the delivery is profoundly tone deaf. Or perhaps we are feeding a troll. Oh well, trolls gotta eat, too. It is a mystery!

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

The "born Paul" reference was added on January 11th. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&diff=prev&oldid=1195000436

Quote from: RNGm on January 19, 2024, 12:39:52 PM

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM
You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

The "born Paul" reference was added on January 11th. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&diff=prev&oldid=1195000436

That was simply restoring the previous text after a bunch of edits on January 10. The prior "born Paul Jaquays" reference was in place from January 13 2022 to January 10 2024, and that was simply replacing the prior phrasing "formerly Paul Jaquays" reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=1065515841

Back in June 2012, the page has had "Born: Paul Jaquays" in place on the right with birth date, and the reference has largely stayed there since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=498437804

Quote from: jhkim on January 19, 2024, 12:56:41 PM

Quote from: RNGm on January 19, 2024, 12:39:52 PM

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM
You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

The "born Paul" reference was added on January 11th. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&diff=prev&oldid=1195000436

That was simply restoring the previous text after a bunch of edits on January 10. The prior "born Paul Jaquays" reference was in place from January 13 2022 to January 10 2024, and that was simply replacing the prior phrasing "formerly Paul Jaquays" reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=1065515841

Back in June 2012, the page has had "Born: Paul Jaquays" in place on the right with birth date, and the reference has largely stayed there since.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jennell_Jaquays&oldid=498437804

Thanks for clarifying.  I just knew it wasn't there when I checked out the wiki page after the announcement of the death since I didn't know who was being talked about as someone who didn't really start playing D&D until 3e.   

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 10:33:44 AM

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 19, 2024, 12:11:10 AM
Pawsplay: "Not at all, simply check out the Wiki page I edited to excise any mention of them ever being called Paul, or that they transitioned!"

You lose the assumption of honesty when anybody who visits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennell_Jaquays today
sees that the first line is "Jennell Jaquays (born Paul Jaquays; ", the info box on the right starts with "Born   Paul Jaquays", and the section on "Personal Life and Death" documents the transition. I'll give less credence to your claims in the future.

That first and third mentions have been there for more than a year. The second is a recent change. Fifteen months ago there was extensive discussion of her trans status & activism.

So in a wiki I read last week and it didn't Mention Paul at the top, because it had been edited out, I missed the 1 reference under the picture. I must be a nefarious trickster indeed.

The same wiki that uses the name Paul twice (was once,) but uses Jennell six times. Despite the first 55 years, where all of the work happened, being Paul.

The line about the transition I misremembered, mea culpa. Of course if you were actually looking for accuracy over scoring points, you would have just corrected me rather than smearing me.

ADDENDUM: I have modified my original post for corrections.

Sorry if I overreacted, Grognard, but your message I responded to read to me as if you were smearing pawsplay without justification.

I appreciate some of the voices here that I don't see on rpg.net, but I'm pretty sick of a lot of the culture.

Quote from: Naburimannu on January 19, 2024, 02:58:14 PM
Sorry if I overreacted, Grognard, but your message I responded to read to me as if you were smearing pawsplay without justification.

I appreciate some of the voices here that I don't see on rpg.net, but I'm pretty sick of a lot of the culture.

Apology accepted. I'd hope by now that I have earned enough cache here for people not to jump to the worst conclusion at anything I say.

As far as smearing pawsplay without justification...wowza.

As far as 'sick of a lot of the culture' here, I'm not sure what you expect? I mean I do, you expect the other sites to drive us all away, and then this site to be 'reasonable' and 'balanced' which means tone policing, and becoming welcoming to the people that have taken over every other rpg site.